2016 Personality Lecture 05: Piaget, Segueing into Jung

This lecture discusses the Piagetian ideas of assimilation, accommodation and stage transition, as well as providing an introduction to Jung and the archetypes of the collective unconscious.
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[@mamashaoc]

Your commentary on being able to tell when someone doesn't like babies, and the Hansel and Gretel Story, really struck a chord with me. My own mother told me that as a baby and child I didn't want to be held by her (it hurt her feelings, so she has to remind me of it every once in a while). And recently, my father (they're divorced) told me that she used to bite me, to teach me not to bite. The first time my 6 month old son was held by her he screamed, like hands flapping in the air screaming, which had been preceeded by my mom talking to him in the fake high pitched voice you mentioned. I don't know if you've ever seen a baby do that, but it's remarkable (in a bad way). Anyway, you just made me realize that my mom is literally the witch in Hansel and Gretel. My younger brother is in his 30s and lives with her still, weighs over 300 lbs, and has been cottled by her his whole life. I was punished for things he did wrong as a kid, and I ran from that house as soon as I could without understanding really why, as soon as I turned 18. It hurt her feelings, and she tried to manipulate me back in, but it made me sick without understanding why, and I never did. I suppose my body and subconscious knew something was wrong on a fundamental level. Anyway, you and Freud really hit the nail on the head. I've been trying to figure out how to save them, by suggesting therapy, exercise, school, sending your videos to my brother, etc but nothing gets through. Anyway, thank you for sharing your self and thoughts with the world.

[@strato5135]

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[@cristianstoica4544]

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[@mohammadzein89]

I’m actually like your brother, athough I’m skinny and 25. Believe me, it’s hard to get out of that maze. I didn’t realize it was a maze until my early twenties, and I’m currently going through all kinds of troubles to find my way out+ make up for the lost years. It seems easy, I know; just get out of there, become independent, stand for yourself. But usually these types of relationships are built around the mothers realization of her son’s/daughter’s dependency, and it begins at an early age, it’s literally a psychological warfare between a child and an adult. And the child will remain a child as long as he’s either not aware of the whole thing, or aware but unwilling to make a change. My point here is that if your brother is totally unaware of the whole toxic relationship, it would really be worthwhile to reveal it to him. But if he’s aware yet unwilling to act, let him be.

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[@th8257]

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[@felucca]

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[@samcopeland3155]

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[@Greg400]

Prof. Peterson's sarcasm is so funny.

[@JustPast12]

Watching his videos a couple few times and making notes really helps me understand what he's talking about. But also inderctly makes u think of something. For example when he says "depends on what u mean when u say". So if you say "I want to be a better person" and he would say "depends on what u mean by better". That then opens a rabbit hole. When u start defining things all the way down to core is when u really see the surface clearer. Make sense? No? Ok back to work

[@GuirriGandul]

Yeah I agree. I have come to the conclusion that at the end of this rabbit hole is 'spirituality'. I love and appreciate these types of presentations but they can only take one so far. I would like to postulate that for a rigorous thinker, nihilism can only be combated by spiritualism. The big question is 'why?'. I suspect a scientific approach will never answer this.

[@GuirriGandul]

I do not like using the the word 'spirituality' in discussion as it carries too many connotations which tend to undermine the content of what is said. Watching the next video in this series, I finally found the word I should probably be using,' metaphysics'. In my interpretation, the word itself implies the point I was trying to make above. My personal experience is that mental health is impacted far more by metaphysical content than scientific content. I in no way wish to diminish the high regard I and others hold for Dr. Peterson's work, it's just a little 'heads up' that may be of use for those viewing these videos from the motivation of self-help.

[@OG-MONK-NUMBER1]

I need to convert all of these lectures to mp3 so I can listen at work. Thanks for uploading all of these. I've just begun a psychology and counselling degree.

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@@jasonjones8254 did a cat walk across the keyboard?

[@samuelclayton08]

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[@NegationOfNegation]

Everyday I am bewildered by how Doctor Peterson's lectures are available widely and for free! That's why ladies and gentlemen, capitalism is sustainable - you can support people like Jordan and in turn they provide you with this sort of content for free. What a time to be alive!

[@YaraPNdeSa]

I'm so glad he recorded some of his classes :-))

[@mikhailvolkov8370]

It was the theory of relativity that accounted for the anomaly in the speed of light. General relativity is a bigger box within which Newtonian physics resides at human and larger scales. Quantum physics came later, and it is not really a bigger box within which Newtonian physics resides. It's more like a different box within which Newtonian physics can be generalized to very small scales. But quantum physics is still at odds with general relativity as one cannot be used as a model for fully explaining phenomena in the other. Indeed, we still don't have a complete model of physics.

[@miguelcosta2709]

That is because the quantum model isn't passive of being explained 3 dimensionally. What you can see is how the effects are very often verified from this theory. You can research Dr Joe Dispenza and his thousands of testimonials of people healing from terminal diseases for focusing on the reality they want to create and that you can't verify yet as you can't empirically prove a thought.

[@DailyCorvid]

Yeah you're right but I let him off because he's not actually a physicist at all - he's a medical psychologist. Sometimes it is easy to forget that Physics (being the ultimate discipline imo) requires a totally different approach and experience than psychology. If he was a science professor I would have nit-picked. But I got what he meant in relation to the lecture - and had a wry smile as I thought back to the days, when I knew only surface level physics :) 2009 battling silly flat earther guys with whiteboards full of maths and diagrams!! Lol they are like rocks you cannot reason with them. I was like 1. Sundials, 2. water pistols, 3. Solar eclipses. 4. GPS and 5G, 5. The horizon etc etc etc etc etc ad infinitum. Crazy people, filthy bedrooms :D

[@UnluckyFatGuy]

What a great lecture and great teacher! Thank you!

[@MrJamberee]

Unlucky Fat Guy this is one of my favorite JBP lectures.

[@Saurischian]

@@MrJamberee What's your favorite?

[@navehsteiner3736]

This genius is always between order & chaos.

[@AlexHoak]

coke zero, this must be before his all beef days

[@sanju3721]

It's cool I am reading his book as well and he told both stories of the girl who thought adults were Angels and of the girl who slept 16 hours a day. Second book btw 12 rules beyond order.

[@legalgrit]

helped my life too

[@MsSonya273]

The Sleeping Beauty interpretation is amazing! Maleficent's gift is puberty, a sexuality that resists marriage. The Good Fairy's counter gift is to put her sexuality to sleep until the right man shows up. Wow!

[@MJsholocron]

13:00 28:00 40:10 - archetypes 43:12 male archetype 43:32 female archetype i 45:58 56:00 1:01:00 Jedi Outcast Luke 1:00:09 wahres ich

[@michaelconnell6317]

Rather than matters of degree, I always thought of Piaget's notion of assimilation as more akin to updating the sensory networks to map new stimuli onto existing knowledge structures (assimilating the world to the person as they are), whereas accommodation is more like a process of generating new knowledge structures (category systems, motor plans, and so on) to deal with a conceptual or task domain for which the person doesn't already have sufficient structures to map onto readily (accommodating the person to the world as it is).

[@zacksymes]

Duuuude. That thing about crystalline structures in jewels blew me away... like he has the little golden nuggets buried in every other sentence... kinda like jewels in that sense actually. There’s layers to this hahaha

[@celloguy]

You should get Coke zero to give to your patreon.

[@52392daner]

That product placement though lol

[@LeeFerikson]

Great lecture Dr Peterson, but you made a small error when explaining physics around 23:00. You referred to the theories that superseded newtonian mechanics, due to the problem involving the speed light as quantum mechanics. In fact, it is special relativity that explains this phenomena, and uproots newtonian mechanics. Quantum physics, while also outside the realm of newtonian is something very different from special relativity, and is not used to explain the problem of the unchanging maximum speed of light.

[@thecivilisedway]

LeeFerikson Exactly. Yet the story for quantum physics is quite similar (given the context of paradigm shift). It's just that there were three weird, unexplainable experiments instead of one (i.e. black body radiation, photoelectric effect and hydrogen atom's energy spectrum).

[@manfredpseudowengorz]

worth mentioning is a particular problem that resulted in development of the quantum physics: it was so called Ultraviolet Catastrophe - the problem of spectral distribution of electromagnetic energy emission (hope remembered it right). The problem was thought to be simply a technical issue in experiment setups.

[@MrJamberee]

It's a common mistake. I have done it myself a few times.

[@thomashazlewood4658]

The children's play is the attempt to define the parameters in which they can operate in areas in which they have very limited context. 'Normal' play would be the use of observed behavior to define a role. 'Exceptional' play would be constructing role templates beyond observable behaviors.

[@ianbrowning2190]

I can't believe that he didnt point out how direct an indication of the devouring mother archetype the kittens on ceramic plates is

[@DailyCorvid]

Probably didn't want to televise his distain for the cat mums any more, I noticed the point at which he stopped making the happy cat mum of 3 joke. Shame, it was a good one! Many cats = Psychotic single mum :D

[@basilmweramakokha9557]

1:03:40 "God forbid you wait 'til you're 30 to find out people ain't shit" - Chris Rock, Tamborine

[@walter4455]

Thanks.

[@blacksnakesofwisconsin]

Best line at 26:00, Dont compare Your self to other people compare yourself to the previous you.

[@burkjd]

Are the assigned readings/videos for this course posted somewhere?

[@stefanthorndahl1666]

Hi Jordan, I've been searching for this quote by Jung, "Ideas have people.", but I can't find it exactly. I tried browsing your website, but alas I still couldn't find the reference/source. Could you perhaps write the reference? Much appreciated.

[@RussellCereola]

41:42 bless you

[@Saurischian]

MOS?

[@arielol89]

LINK TO THE VIDEO AT THE END PLS

[@funkyboodah]

[50:40] The Two Sets of Parents

[@JuanyJuanes]

very engaging lecture! any recommended books for piaget?

[@JuanyJuanes]

thank you very much! i will order it. do you also have a reading recommendation for freud's subpersonalities idea, in regards to anger or interpreting events? i keep thinking of the hierarchy model you described in one of the videos my counseling instructor (REBT/CBT) and i always discuss how much thinking influences feeling (ABCD model) and I've read several of Albert Ellis' books, but would love to read an alternative idea. I have been curious for a long time if how we phrase our internal dialog affects emotions, feelings, moods etc. I think the models are logical, but short sided in describing the client's experience compared to the depth models thank you for posting the lectures! you keep my interest in psych alive

[@OurLifeJourney365]

Note to self 13:00

[@lalo1997ist]

Dolores means pain, not sad

[@funkyboodah]

[41:54] on Archetypes

[@ZachJenkins]

52:00 ish i would say that Draco is Harry's hostile brother archetype

[@scarlettphn6394]

1:09:00

[@danielsmith969]

46:00

[@vilecypher]

This reminds me of the DreamSMP pretend play

[@sevillaking6677]

How about any recommended books for studying Jung? Thanks

[@funkyboodah]

+Sevilla King "Man and His Symbols" is the best all around book and the last book he wrote before his death. The full audiobook is uploaded on KZbin.

[@winenmonvi3599]

JBP has also a recommanded book list on his website if you want :)

[@robbydyer4500]

Origins and History of Consciousness by Erich Neumann

[@PlateArmorUnderwear]

Ha! My man knows VLC is da best universal media player!

[@brendaluna173]

14:00

[@jasonyung525]

The structure of Sleeping Beauty [49:00]

[@Saurischian]

Lol dude... Was scrolling randomly through comments and right as Peterson got to the part where he went looking for the sleeping beauty file, I found your comment. Saved me precious time.

[@Kubaaano]

I think Jordan struggles sometimes to practice what he believes. The way he explained occams razor is so ironic. Guess it's a testament to how open he is in his personality. (17:40 ish)

[@albert7521]

In a graphical representation of what he is teaching, he has 3 nested circles, all of which are divided down the vertical center. On the left is a ‘-‘ (representing the negative) and a ‘+’ on the right (representing the positive). The outer most circle is nature (feminine), the center circle is society (masculine), and the inner circle is the individual. This means his theory is comprised of 6 components; the positive side and negative side of these three levels. He does apply Occam’s Razor to himself, it’s just that in every theory, you have an expansive degree of knowledge at the lowest level that builds up to these high level, typically abstract, theories which he is talking about. As an analogy; a theory about how electricity powers a lightbulb might simply say that applying a current to a piece of metal causes it to increase in temperature within the filament filled pressurized area, generating light. While on that abstract level, that’s really simple and exemplifies Occam’s Razor. But if you were to try and teach this to someone, you don’t know their underlying understanding of chemistry, physics, electricity, thermodynamics, or anything else you could possibly apply to this explanation of a lightbulb. And all of these things do apply, so you have a lot of underlying knowledge before you even get to the theory, that needs to be explained, and then there are surrounding aspects to consider, such as the impact of the lightbulb on the environment it is being used in and the impact of the environment on the lightbulb, since things don’t take place in a vacuum. Well, expand that up to the complexity of human behavior and personality. Something that is not constant, but changes over time (a lightbulb doesn’t change over time thankfully) so that is an added level of complexity. Let alone the almost never ending degrees of variation; i.e. being brave vs being cowardly, at the same time being rational vs irrational, at the same time being productive vs counter productive, at the same time feeling positive emotion vs feeling negative emotion - all of which could be going on at the same exact time. The question being answered is at a hyper complex level, so it would be presumable that the necessary background information would be covering a broader range of topics. Granted, his teaching style doesn’t lend to the summarization of these things, and your final observation eludes to that, but you have to give credit where it is due; a lot goes into something like this and he has created a functional structure that is boiled down to the gist as much as he has been able to do so

[@Kubaaano]

@@albert7521 can you occams razor your comment? Lol, sorry. I get your point.

[@clevernamehere]

You seem really smart what college did you go to, oh me I went to the Jordan Peterson college

[@davyroger3773]

Tell them you went to KZbin

[@migaru7362]

45:43

[@gustavlind-fossen4320]

1:10:29 boy I flipped my laptop into my own forhead

[@helenbostock2350]

Wow

[@ZxVenom]

Lol @ 36:44. Subliminal advertising for Coca Cola!? Dr. Peterson I am shocked sir... lol

[@bohemianprince7944]

No advertisements. It's just that good.

[@michaelgallagher2092]

👍

[@Coloradokushy]

Am I the only feller who watches all of these repeatedly

[@allotherlightsgoout]

No.

[@thomaslove6494]

No sir.

[@BeezyDoItAll]

Noppity nope.

[@Annie-nj6rn]

Will you post Personality Lectures 6 and 7 please?

[@peteaston10]

Jung starts around 36:30

[@helenbostock2350]

Don't know that's

[@FreeForYouAmazing]

care to show us the screen ?

[@ZxVenom]

+Wolfeer I don't think Disney would like that.... on another note.... "Try the new Coke Zero!" lol

[@FreeForYouAmazing]

ZxVenom it's fair use, I don't see the problem. It's not like it's shown in its entirety.

[@ZxVenom]

Wolfeer It is just best to avoid Disney's lawyers... I am guessing you have not received many cease and desist letters.

[@FreeForYouAmazing]

ZxVenom not yet :^)

[@helenbostock2350]

Check the oil. Do not know that

[@lernwithreynald3859]

It sounds like you're operating on a common misconception about Hume's statement; when he said that you cannot derive an "ought" from an "is," he literally meant "derive" in the sense that in formal logic derivations, which use letters in place of statements in the way that calculus uses letters in place of numbers and relies on various mathematics-esque transformations resembling functions and rules almost like order of operations in math logic. It is absolutely true that there are no operations that you can perform on descriptive premises in formal logic to derive a proscriptive conclusion. People tend to use this in the vernacular to say that descriptions can't translate to ethics, which isn't really true as real-life moral decisions tend to be constraint-satisfaction operations rather than derivations: we tend to start with declarative constraints that connect in such a way that "ought" statements are auggested (and often we come up with more than one option). Patricia Churchland has a more detailed explanation in her book "Braintrust" (an excellent read, by the way).

[@celestialcircledance]

I think food would take precedence over sex as the most googled thing by woman lol

[@TheCbot88]

Pop your Coke Zero, everyone.

[@imashaaark]

Seth Rogan BTFO

[@tedoymisojos]

Must say I don't like those Harlequin Novels, and neither does any woman I know. probably there is a subset of women who like that kind of thing, and I've never met them.

[@megagagnon1]

Go to any supermarket and you'll see a Cosmopolitan magazine in the rack. On the cover it will have the word "sex" twice, and if you read the articles you'll see they're very explicit when describing the mechanics of sex.

[@MrJamberee]

Liz Torres. I don't know people who read them (or admit to it) But they sure do have a big audience. The sales numbers are quite impressive, and romance novels are among the top sellers in Amazon.

[@matej6418]

there is a big difference between what people say they read and what they actually read.

[@tedoymisojos]

@@megagagnon1 I never buy those, I find them tacky & useless. But apparently a lot of women do, judging by Amazon`s best sellers. The women around me used to buy magazines like People Mag, Better Homes, Hola!, Readers Digest, National Geographic, InStyle, Allure, Womans day, Bazaar, etc.. Theres not a lot of Kama Sutra type tutorials or sexual stories in those; at least not like in Cosmo. The times I read Cosmo I just skipped those parts because i didnt care one iota, if I felt interested in that type of thing straight to the internet or to movies I went mainly. Maybe Graphic novels too. Book wise I just dont want to read about that, I like crime thrillers, mystery, psychological stories, non fiction. I read ONE or two of those type of novels, from Anne Rice, but I found silly all the sassy bits.

[@krool1648]

Peterson is yelling too much.

[@sudharsanc.v2458]

47:00