2017 Porsche 911 Carrera & 911 Carrera S - 991.2 - FIRST DRIVE REVIEW (2 of 3)

MotoMan drives the 2017 Porsche 991.2 - the Porsche 991 with the TWIN TURBO 3.0 Litre flat six engine. In the Mendocino National Forest - the California Redwoods because Porsche disturbed the applecart of it’s pecking order - one steeped in over 35 years of history: A turbo in a Porsche 911 is the pinnacle of that 911. So now, MotoMan goes on a bit of a different quest than usual to answer three questions: Does sound like a Porsche 911? Does it deliver power like a Porsche 911 and most importantly, does it still drive like a Porsche 911?
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[@corpnupe85]

I appreciate the history that you provide on all of the vehicles that are reviewed.

[@ToMorrow311]

If you mute the sound, you would think he was Italian. Good review.

[@kolinmartz]

It looks like a middle schooler about to do a presentation in front of class where he had to “dress up”.

[@wernerdanler2742]

@@kolinmartz 😆

[@hzhang5957]

I own a 991.1, love the sound, throttle response and every thing else. Will keep it forever.

[@rividizd]

Good decision!

[@aysbg]

I am a Porsche fan so I liked the video before it ended... the "orthodoxy metaphors" were cool. Serbian Orthodox here ;)

[@jamesellsworth9673]

Forty years ago I bought into the bargain Porsche 924. It handled very well and was torquey...but...it was noisy inside. I had to retrofit a power boost unit to even hear my 'tunes' over the engine. That was important because I used this as a long-distance touring machine. The engine sounded fine up to a point in my journey...but I wanted more tunes over a multi-hour Interstate romp. Now I own a Subaru with a flat four--I have owned three of them. And I have driven flat sixes. Put me down for the flat six, full time four-wheel drive iteration of the Porsche brand. It probably makes little practical touring difference unless you like to drive in hilly country, where the six really helps. Power sags on the four unless you are a decent driver and put your foot in it when you see the challenge coming up. As a 'touring' driver, I like livable decibels and the best combination of acceleration, braking and all-weather handling I can buy. Hey...comfortable seating is also a big plus because I like my motoring fun to come in large doses. Thanks, MotorMan for this series of reviews--where other online motor pundits only have time for one, too-short summary version!

[@JoJoJoker]

When you show "engine bay" it is almost like a comedy skit. Not since the 997.2 has the sun shined upon a Porsche 911's engine

[@IrishManJT]

Great Review. Thanks.

[@rogerpreece7762]

What an interesting review. Cheers. Roger

[@coureurdebois]

i realllly loved the 3.8L, revved so freely :( but turbos is how everything is going not much we can do.

[@plutomaximus2897]

your review is the best 👍👍

[@anthonylessthanzero1498]

Knowing that the Turbos were coming on all new 911 models except for the 911GT RS. I Purposely purchased a 2016 911 GTS rear wheel drive only. Last of the naturally aspirated engines for this year and on. So happy I did! Love that 3.8, 430 hp engine music and the fast shifting PDK!

[@tonyc7632]

Great review! Thanks. My name picks: 911 CT 911 CTS

[@NafaratMiyaMiya]

great review!

[@ErikThureson]

Great and helpful!

[@swsschz]

i've owned a 911 C2S 997.1. I really enjoy the 3.8 NA engine. unadulterated engine sound with a linear power band. You can never hide turbo lag completely and the sound the turbo engine makes isn't as great as the NA counterpart. As far as the name, i'm ok with 991.2. I probably need to get a 991.1 in the near future to hold on forever.... or maybe a boxster GTS or cayman GTS...

[@hacker007300]

Got a 997,2 and i think that i'll keep this one for a long long time, the 3,8NA is just a dream, dont feel like losing .8 liter and than add 2 turbo's

[@overman19870]

great review, as usual. Thank you Motoman! So no Turbolag... i would love to see a comparison test. maybe the guys from motor trend can do a head to head...

[@gordydexter2615]

Great video by you Moto-Man!!! I wanted to provide an update: Going from the 997.2 to the 991.1 Porsche made a significant change by extending the wheel base 10cm basically moving the engine forward by 3.937 inches. Plus reducing weight over the 997.2 and lowering the car another 10mm. This was a move to enhance handling. Then in the 991.2 Porsche moved the engine forward another inch or 2.54 cm which is a total change of 5 inches toward a mid-engine compared to the 997.2. That is hugely significant in performance handling while adding 4wheel steering. I have owned 17 Porsches & 9 Corvettes. I have seen the most significant change in performance in the 991.2. I currently own a 2019 Turbo S 911.2: I bought the last of the 991.2 as opposed to the 992 Turbo S because the 991.2 still allows me to shift gears with the console stick as opposed to looking at a Norelco shaver. No doubt the 992 performs better but no manual allowed in the Turbo S and then they took away the ability to shift at the console. That was a deal breaker!!! I am trading in my 60th Anniversary Corvette 427 (which is a convertible 6spd manual with ZR1front end/suspension & ZO6 engine) for a 2022 718 SPYDER.

[@shawnusmani4918]

Also a 991.1 S Cab owner with the 3.8 NA and PDK. Previous to this I had a 997.2 4S (non-cab). The 997.2 was the best car I've ever owned, and my only mistake was getting it as a 4S (awd) as opposed to the RWD as it was meant to be. The 991 cab is a beautiful car, but the 997.2 was much more raw... some of it because it was a coupe and more rigid. Can't imagine the turbos on a smaller displacement motor, feels like it would take a good bit away from the acceleration metrics of the car. That being said, I'm sure it's one generation more polished than the 991, and I noticed that it has Apps on the nav (apple and google car). That stuff is great, but my $25k Hyundai also has that stuff. Buy the 991 for driving dynamics, not sure if the turbo setup fits the bill. May have to go Cayman in the future, or go back to a 997.2 when I'm all done with my current 991. Then again, I used to think that the PDK was sacrilegious and now wouldn't buy a Porsche without it.

[@z28camaro79]

Not the biggest 911 fan but I absolutely love the spec of this example.

[@shakesnbake]

+MotoManTV great review as always - I still cant get over that colour - it's beautiful - very old school 911 yet looks modern too and wasnt until you're review in natural light did I notice that. Saw it at Geneva and under the lights it didnt look the same. I'd go with 992 - Porsche's are about simplicity

[@LiveWire276]

I'm not an absolute fanboy of Porsches, but since I saw a used Porsche Cayman at a dealership, I've started getting more interested in Porsches. I think this 911 Carrera S is my favorite. It has a fantastic engine sound.

[@plotdot6920]

Illyrian King I don't know if your joking or not.These porsches have their sound regarded to as one of the worst in sports cars...ever

[@Cchichester]

Love the color

[@harlemkiid149]

3:45 beautiful spool sound for a stock car

[@mazyarahmadi5424]

Great video, thank you. I'm very seriously thinking of buying a used 2017 C2S, manual. My worry is fishtailing a lot as its' not awd, but maybe that's an over worry?

[@spencer19811]

911 Turbo Lite! From a Cayman S owner

[@adimuftic9930]

Good job man

[@gs1072]

@Motoman why didn't you have the exhaust flaps open (Top right button) next to the stick? Engaged it's twice the sound

[@MarkaRoxx]

Sport chrono has nothing to do with the mirrors. Good review

[@kaleidoscopeon]

Believe me, you are missing a lot if you have never driven a Porsche. Best driving machine ever.

[@donmannai]

just keep calling it 911 ❤️

[@lorddenselmichel8796]

Back at it again reviewing the hottest Porsche's. The people at Porsche must be found of you

[@drrb4ever]

my dream car :)

[@tony.775]

Good line of chat, good review. Mirrors with sports chrono? Exhausts not in the new centre location? Something amiss with this car.

[@MrJusmobile]

Just curious as to why at 3:11 you show a 4S (light strip connecting the rear lamps is illuminated) and then state a bit later that you are driving a rear wheel drive 911.

[@danekbondar5235]

Great review! I currently own a 997.2 carrera S (Manual) and have absolute 0 complaints! 63k miles of pure joy and no trouble! These cars are tanks! Now, looking for a newer more upgraded version, should I get the 2016 carrera S or 2014 GTS? (Budget conscious here) Wished Porsche would make a 911 Turbo on Manual. Thanks for the feedback

[@Luke-ed1gp]

What did you end up going with, and why?

[@danekbondar5235]

@@Luke-ed1gp thank you for asking! I am still enjoying driving my 09 Carrera S. Doesn’t make sense to sell it and over pay for another used ones!

[@user-lf3my3zl1k]

please make a review on the new Macan GTS thank you

[@patrickstarr87]

Glad you went with manual, while its still available 😁👍

[@LiveWire276]

Removing a manual in a Porsche 911 is like removing a manual from a Mustang or Camaro. It would suck. I'm glad Porsche understands the true enthusiasts.

[@patrickstarr87]

+RichardGT40 agree 😁👍👍👍

[@yomofoindahouse]

Awesome, thanks. PDK would've been better for the turboed engine.

[@1shoedog1]

911 Twin Turbo Carrera sounds pretty good to me. I've owned a couple Corvettes. Now that Porsches are twin turbos I may need a C4S ... and a winning lottery number.

[@s39020]

MM: Excellent review; I just discovered your videos, and like them. Re: your request for a name for the 991.2: How about 992? Re: current every day car: 981 base, Manual. Best, -S.

[@Ivan_Magana]

I am thinking between this and a turbo s but this one seems more my price range but I really want the turbo s ):

[@creativeplanet2820]

you know you are now mature , when you start loving porsche :D omg , i love porsches sooo much !!! Porsche & Motorola two of my fav companys Legends :D !!!!

[@Doug-tc2px]

I've yet to find a review of the base 911 Carrera, seems like the S is all everyone is talking about. Really an independent review of each model would be better.

[@Mihalyofficial]

What a beautiful machine and that colour wow! But what are the problems? Every car has something. It would be nice to get an all round review.

[@amill1563]

As good as it is, I am still interested in the next 911 whatever it may be called. I look for more elements from the 918 in the next 911.

[@daivietnguyen7289]

In my humble opinion, by switching to a smaller 3.0 engine but with the help of the twin turbo, Porsche will let any new lucky owner of this new generation 911 Carrera with a lot of low end torque !!! That is equals with a more brilliant car getting even better !!! And if you could afford to add a rear wheel steering to it, then you can have the ultimate 911...Yet !!! :))) I would love to own one !!! Very indeed !!!

[@96preslav]

I actually like the name 991.2 :D

[@GregWallis]

991T. Simple, memorable.

[@Danis8Pastry]

991A ("Aufladung"). The word "aufladung" is a word often used to discribe an engine using forced induction, and means "charging". Fittingly, the new 9A2 engine, could be called the "9A2A"... I have owned a Porsche 944 2.5 & 986 Boxster 2.5.

[@garyhsu5210]

why is sports chrono package necessary?

[@jaycoomar4165]

991t. Emphasizing the lowercase 't'

[@chlyon]

911 BT (Base turbo) 911 BTU base turbo upgrade 911 BTX extreme

[@tonychen219]

you've already explained about the spec in the pervious tech review, please just jump straight into driving cause if i want to know about the spec i would just watch the tech review. Same thing apply to many of your reviews.

[@prazertv]

There are those who didn't watch the previous video, so it makes sense to include that info in this video. You can easily jump to driving if it bothers you. It's not that difficult to do so.

[@dennispolyblank8428]

It looks blue to me!

[@superstarcandysucksassuttp2543]

Cool

[@ILCapo-mo5jj]

I own Ferraris and Rollses, never owned a 911 but eventually will own a 991.2. But I would like to refer to it as a 991 3.0

[@anthonyjaswinski5732]

Your church analogy is close, but it's more like the young, nice reverend with the acoustic guitar coming in to make people more happy with that funky sound. No one told him some of us like the loud choir

[@kleinbottled79]

Porsche 911 used to be a car for good drivers. Buy a 911 without the requisite skill; pay the price. Now it's almost the opposite, nothing else this fast is this easy to drive. These base turbos take that experience even further. No longer must one have timing or rhythm when shifting. No need to rev to anywhere near redline, go ahead and shift whenever, pretty much doesn't matter. Power feels kinda like a modern turbo BMW, like it more than I thought I would.

[@anshulmehra2148]

I think they should drop the name "Carrera." Carrera has always represented a car with an engine that really starts to produce torque in the high end of the RPM range. With this model with the turbochargers, that's no longer the case. Something more fitting might be the 911 Turbo C or some other designation that represents the small block nature of this engine compared to the traditional Turbo/Turbo S.

[@markusneuber6643]

if 991.2 or what ever. It's the best car in the world and I Love to drive it every day. And the world looks great through a 911 windsheeld.

[@spaceq7775]

How do you lower the front bumper

[@karandewan3499]

best test would be traction control off, downshift and put the foot down mid turn

[@pirateglam]

that is the codename, i believe iit's more than enough nameing in Porsche Carrera S 911

[@fosterscottburke3225]

911 turbo vs. Carrera turbo for 991.2? Continues to be a wonderful automobile...

[@rocketdog2116]

Bring back the turbo Carrera nameplate. Emphasis on the small t to differentiate it from the proper 911 Turbo.

[@AngelDocampoMusic]

What about Carrera T & Carrera TS?

[@paulhd9535]

Great review. About the nomenclature, I would leave it as is. The 911 Turbo S name is world renouned, every car enthousiaste knows what it is, what it represents and respects it. In respect to the Carrera & 4s, now that it is turbo powered is only a sing of the times. Let’s not mess up the Porsche branding like AMG has done since 2015. Now AMG is slapping the AMG Logo on everything they make just to get sales. The branding is now a joke among car enthousiaste. IMHO, the fact that Porsche has left the monenclature as is is proof of the greatest respect for their customers. Understandably, I don’t think a 911 TURBO owner would be too pleased to see Turbo badge on every model.

[@Gitohandro]

I wish the turbo s came with a manual

[@leobuckey]

6:45 Shifting up isn’t a good indicator of turbo lag.

[@666danwar]

The Skyline has been around since the 50's!!!

[@petergutenberger6367]

They should revive the 911 T moniker.

[@AlexSami-qw4qu]

Peter Gutenberger you saw it coming! They did.

[@epoints888]

I owned a 911c2 cab... I would vote for 991t2

[@snowcat3116]

I don't get that diesel like shaped torque curve ! Good review though.

[@fkporsche1]

Very cute! 911 Baby turbo. 😼 Another interesting review from yiou MotorMan. I'm from the 80's era. Class of 85'. When I bought my first 911 at the dealership. There was a 993 or 996 just came out. I choose to get the 996 because it was a modern new 911. But i realized it was a big mistake. Should of got the 993. Soon I bought a 997S for replacement. Because I love the 993 design but more modern. Now I got the most visceral 997 model which I got a 997.2 GT3 RS. Quite a good visceral feel sport car. Perhaps I should keep this one for a little longer. So, I want to know which model of 911 would you get MotorMan ? Which one is your favorite?

[@Tigerloco70]

Frank Kwok s , 4s , gts , and the plain turbo are my favs

[@overman19870]

Hi Motoman, so when are you testing the all- wheel-steer manual tagra ?

[@MotoManTV]

Funny you ask, just nagged Frank about that yesterday . . .

[@overman19870]

+MotoManTV hope it is coming soon.

[@MotoManTV]

You and me both!

[@anthonyjaswinski5732]

call it Turbo X. anything with X sounds cool. I have a Cayman. love everything about it but the name

[@elliotjames158]

Hi Motoman, which is better; the Manual base Carrera (without all the pdcc, active engine mounts), or the Carrera S (with those options)

[@elliotjames158]

*the convertible version's

[@MotoManTV]

I would argue the car with the more power is the better option . . . But in this case, the active engine mounts also enhance the experience.

[@elliotjames158]

MotoManTV I agree, it's just that the options are so expensive..

[@AwiniAmbujShanker]

if you want rear axle steering, you have to buy an S. it's not available on the base Carrera. but the drivability of the S because of the extra torque makes it worth it.

[@Fastfitnesstips]

what color (colour) is this?? is a lovely grey but what is the porsche official color?

[@MotoManTV]

Graphic Blue Metallic . . . And as an FYI . . . When I first saw this color (colour), I went online to build one . . . Carrera S with A LOT of options = US$154,000 . . .

[@astaribo]

Current owner of a 991 targa 4, i think it should be called 991 t since the turbo models are usually referred to as 991 tt. The number 991 should stay since thats how we fanboys distinguish the generations XD.

[@michaelchen6191]

I would call it the Porsche 911 Imago. An Imago is the scientific name for a butterfly after it emerges from a chrysalis. Which is essentially what they did to the Porsche is morph it into something new. Previous owner 964. Current 981 Boxster Spyder.

[@wernerdanler2742]

I remember those men in weird robes. They spoke the same dead language in Germany that they spoke here in the US. Lol The Porsche is like that but now has the modern slang thrown in.

[@186bingo]

Another great video Motoman! My day improves whenever I see a new one, thank you. As for the name issue, the car's name is the "911 Carrera +/- 4/s/4s". They can't tap into the "turbo" name without compromising their top dog 911. I have not owned a 911 yet but several of my friends and colleagues do.

[@sambking]

It's already out there....991.2. This way of designation ".2" has been in existence as a result of computer applications. It's not going away because it is simple to understand. The car is a 2017 Porsche 911 S. The secondary designation is "991.2" and this evolved from the general public. Porsche does not officially call this car a, "991.2." They have their own way of referring to it within the company. But as far as the public goes it's, "991.2." Good luck turning the tide around.

[@primozkrajcar4144]

OK! You wanted to drive Targa, but I looked at it and Porsche doesn't have a targa with 2 wheel drive?!? Only Targa4! Since a friend owns an 1972 Porsche Targa 2.2 I can say that is a pity.

[@drhouse211]

I'd go with the 991.1 (2012) carrera s. Because naturally aspirated.

[@kickyadick]

I share that opinion, but I somehow remembered that 991.1 started as model year 2013.

[@connieplaya8617]

+Charlie G mid 2012 they switched to the 991 from the 997.2. SO, you could have both a MY 2012 911 being either a 997.2 or a 991.1.

[@kickyadick]

+Connie Playa thanks I didn't know that.

[@hacker007300]

Hey, i got the 997,2 it has a 3,8 non turbo, sounds the best in my opinion

[@connieplaya8617]

997.2 is a great choice too!! They added direct injection and worked out some of the bugs with the 997.1 engine! Enjoy her and post some vids!

[@okumonux]

Poirsche, having no humor at al would probably call it: "Zwangsbeatmeter Sportkraftwagen".

[@daseteam]

+okumonux Leistungssteigerung durch Aufladung

[@pblnlpalu]

I would suggest the carrera SS

[@danlee3055]

Or Carrera RS

[@jeanclaude9285]

+Voornaam Achternaam how ignorant (to be nice) can someone be to make such a suggestion? i wonder with exasperation

[@maestrovso]

Carrera SS would be apt if 991.1 was Carrera SA.

[@Bobbie_1999]

Sturmabteilung

[@elliotjames158]

is it worth the extra 30 thousand or so extra for a Turbo over a fully loaded Carrera 4S?

[@AwiniAmbujShanker]

the big Turbos are fast! if you like that sort of high, then they are bargain basement supercars. you have to get into big Ferrari territory for that kind of performance, ay about double the price, i assume

[@josephpullium913]

Can anybody tell me the name of that red car @ 0:04 please?

[@Gabriellebre777]

That my friend is a 1963-1967 Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ.

[@josephpullium913]

Gabriel Lebre thank you bro!

[@pauladdison9978]

He didn't initially call it the 911 but a 901 till Peugeot complained that was their deliniage so had to change it to a 911.

[@secondchance4498]

The 911 sport turbo.

[@themadplotter]

"Bumble bee isn't designed to fly"? fuck is it designed for then?

[@dulobg3774]

991 Geminus (twin, double, pared in Latin) ):):)

[@Tigerloco70]

Wait, no sport chrono??😤

[@hectorsalguero6741]

You can never not say skyline when you mention skyline 😂

[@lotinja123]

991.2 Turborrera S :) 991.2 Carrera S-tt / Carrera S-T 991.2 miniTurbo

[@AMG-BENZ-1]

You certainly appeared to ''enjoy'' the Lexus LC a bit more than this generation of 911. After owning two 911's, I can certainly say that ''I'' now prefer my LC. Porsches have lost their emotion while Lexus has just gained it by fitting the ''mamamia'' naturally aspirated glory 5.0L into the chassis it deserved.

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Sooooo a bumblebee isn't designed to fly? I'm not it's his mate that's been drinking!

[@macstone9719]

I owned two Porsches so far. My very first car, a 914 and later I owned a 944 which was great. I would just ditch the dot for a dash and call the new 911 991-2. This gives it a more German industrial ring than a dot which refers too much to the web culture which may have been intended...Keep it simple. I also never very much liked the idea of giving cars real names like Panamera, Cayenne etc. Ach ja, die Turbolader!

[@enjoytheridedude]

Turbo 3.0 and Turbo 3.0s