[2019 GSL S3] Ro.16 Group B Match3 Trap vs TY

[@andimin480]

"..did TY make God mad??.." :-)

[@lukaslukacio]

was just about to comment that lol

[@seanysyang]

"The high smart play"

[@1tiel]

Top 10 commentator duo

[@TheDuffman86]

That last game shows the new patch means nothing. Toss can still get 3rd base with easy and emp does nothing but tickles toss units

[@johnnyroe8053]

lol whiny terran noobs

[@NyarukoLove]

Guess youre kidding, emp tears off psi shield and manas but how can you express it just tickles

[@timwerm6641]

after Artosis ans Tastless stop casting its pointless to continue watching GSL

[@juny9445]

For you.

[@danconser6709]

Guys, Triton is a MOON of Neptune :-)

[@poiuyt975]

Named after a Greek god of the sea. :-)

[@danvladoiu9365]

was that a storm at 21:01??? If so, that is the weirdest one I've seen so far.

[@shiroineko13]

feedback

[@danvladoiu9365]

shiroineko13 thanks, that make more sense now.

[@Merializer]

22:59 funny grunts

[@dab_yeetus]

YES FEEDBACK THE MEDIVACS! MY LIFE FOR AIUR!

[@Kamikazeesouled]

Why arent there a lot of korean zergs?

[@KrossFire330]

Trap may take this season

[@topfamous297]

The problem with Terran is that there is no AOE damage, except for the tanks and the tanks, unlike storm and infesters cannot hit air units, and it also has to deploy before commencing an attack. This patch is a joke, as a Terran player, I feel Protoss already has two counter to it, and it's storm and Colossus. Also, this patch did nothing to change the late-game situation Terran is in. If this continues, where Terran is just non-competitive, Starcraft 2 is going to lose a lot of viewers like me. I think we are beginning to see the End of Starcraft 2.

[@peterchui1964]

I agree that protoss is favoured, but neither of these games can confirm that. Both these games the harass for TY failed and trap was ahead all game. And the patch was just recently implemented, if you're not willing to wait even one month to see how players adapt then i can't really call you a sc fan.

[@Paddythelaad]

Tanks, Widow Mines, EMP all have more damage per cost than protoss AOE. Widow mines, EMP and thors AOE air. Terran doesn't need AOE as much because a marines have higher DPS than anything Protoss can make. Protoss can only trade cost effectively if they have AOE hitting many marines at once and that is avoidable through micro or positioning, Terran doesn't need AOE like Protoss do. Also MULES don't take up supply so terran mine more once they get past ~50 scvs. Barrax trakes ~20 seconds per 2 supply of army, gateway takes 30 seconds per 2 supply and the barrax units are more cost effective with stim, just more vounerable to AOE if clumped. A stalker has the same dps as a marine despite costing 125/50 and 2 supply. It takes more space to get as many stalkers shooting as marines too because of the hitbox size. Go into unit tester and try to beat 50 marines + 6 medivacs ( with basic stutter step) with something Protoss could have at the same point in the game without AOE. Terran has the better dream army too. Maxed BCs would beat anything from Protoss. Ghost, Liberator should as a core should beat protoss too if controlled right. Terran can have 30 orbitals dropping MULES and throw away all mineral mining SCVs to have 50 army supply more available than protoss can have. I think TvP is the best matchup in the game with good asymmetrical balance. The Zerg matchups are ruined by Zerg lategame/infestor mainly imo.

[@mavax]

@@Paddythelaad Pretty much agreeing on your analysis of the balance of PvT. But for the infestor, I think people make too much of a fuss about it (since they(ve been patched). Terran have several ways to counter infestors (one ghost can make a whole bunch of them useless with an EMP, BCs can yamato them), and actuallly when watching GSL vs the world, you'll see that serral did not win many games using infestors. He just smashed everyone by not making mistakes, and reading their play so well. Basically, if sc2 was not balanced, there would be one, or even two races absent from high level competition. And it's not the case, zergs don't win tournaments (serral does)

[@Paddythelaad]

@@mavax I mostly agree though I would like for 3 more things to be considered. 1) Reynor won 2 recent tournaments Serral was in, beating him in the final. Dark won the last GSL, soO won IEM. Elazer made it to the final of GSL vs the world. When Stats beat Serral in Asus Rog it seemed to be because of Serral misplaying more than his usual. I didn't see how Innovation beat him in WCG18. 2) Many people play differently to try to win pre infestor/broodlord as they feel like they can't win vs infestor/broodlord vs Serral (and very high level zergs in general like Rogue. Even Elazer was winning in that stage). So if Serral holds whatever calculated risk they throw at him he wins without using infestor/broodlord but the threat of those units later in the game was a contributing factor. 3) Protoss the race was not set up to be able to beat infestor/broodlord, it was harder for Protoss than Terran due to neural parasite pre patch and the patch didn't touch Neural so I wouldn't be too surprised if we still see Serral and co winning ~all super lategame ZvPs. If neither player misplays Zerg gets to lategame and wins in that matchup still I would guess. Even without Protoss making any mistakes. Thats not a problem outside of Top 10 in the world but its a problem for top level pro play and its part of why Protoss has been the lagging race on Aliguliac for a long time. No matter how good Stats, Classic, Trap are even if they are the best player in the tournament, winning the tournament is dependant on a zerg mistake it seems and Serral doesn't really make them. Game 2 of Stats vs Serral from Asus ROG showed the late game scenario quite well imo where stats played about as well as could be hoped for from a person and it didn't look winnable. I think this is why Trap & Classic went for so many early attacks in their series vs Serral in GSL vs the world. Serral is amazing and there is an argument he is just better than them, but considering we have never seen ANYONE play protoss and win tournaments as consistently as Serral or Maru. (For GSL: MVP & Inno won 4 GSLs each too, soO made 6 finals, no protoss has done either, Zest won 3 but so did Nestea and Life) there is also an argument Classic was the best player awhile ago but his race required enemy mistakes or Stats is the best but his race requires enemy mistakes. Im not trying to rant, its not a problem for my games as im not a pro player but I think there is truth to what classic said in his GSL vs the world interview. Although "winfestor/GGlord" has been around since WOL, props to Serral for accelerating people seeing how consistent Zerg can be, he definately gets most of the credit. Mistakes used to be more common for sure.

[@mavax]

@@Paddythelaad Yep, you're right on those points, especially for protoss. Terran has the tools to deal with late game zerg (mass BCs yamato + lib + ghost being the comp of choice, then it's up to micro skills). And it's true that protoss lacks real counter to late game zerg, the only consistent way to hit the late zerg comp is tempest (+oracle revelation), but the damage output is just way too low, you can kill a couple units every minute which is far from enough. Makes me think of the time where mass carrier was the unbeatable death ball in BW (still is for bronzies in sc2 :). They can't afford to weaken zerg's early-mid game, since the race would just become so easy to beat. Maybe buffing feedback (like bonus feedback dmg for organic units, so it does not allow to kill medivacs neither which would be too much), or lowering infestor's max energy could do the job. Or maybe simply reducing infestor's energy regen, so zerg would have harder time getting a ball of full energy infestors, and would be in a weak spot for longer if they don't win after the first engagement. And yeah, the fact that no protoss player can stay at the top of the SC2 food chain, like serral or maru -> you have a point there :-) Despite all the whine and rant we can see in the comments (which you're not part of), I think blizzard really makes a great job balancing the game so I think they'll come up with something. It will create new problems of course, but that starcraft, and balancing it is way harder than balancing other rts games where races are basically the same except for some buff on a couple units.

[@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll]

Jesus Christ appeared to me in a radical way and changed my life forever

[@darthdenis6752]

impossible to listen to their neighing all the time

[@johnnyroe8053]

rofl

[@Robert-pi9lv]

They need to fix PvT, T seems so useless, it looks like T gets punished too much for losing anything ( even if they trade in harrass ex. Widow mines) , while protoss can do a simple harass and be so ahead that sometimes is imposible to comeback; once P gets storm is almost imposible to counter unless they make big mistakes cause by the time you try to emp a templar, it gets killed by the bigger range or any P unit thar enter the observer range, plus P have just two mecanics on late game, A move, maybe a prism and storm almost impossible to lose, really sad

[@matthewlaplante9293]

P has "just two mechanics on late game". Have you made it out of silver yet?

[@NyarukoLove]

With only a shot of emp templars become trash, prisms and immortals are nothing against ravens, so stop whining

[@SuperG0alie]

Actually its NOT that funny.... this uncontrollable laughter is so awkward. Glad you make each other laugh

[@Zeuts85]

Yeah, at first. It was just worth a chuckle. But then because Tasteless found it so funny, that fact itself became very funny to me. It's like when my uncle Hans tells a lame, dirty joke that would ordinarily never be funny, but the fact that he can't stop his manic, wheezing laughter over such a lame joke actually becomes hilarious.