2020 IC CE

[@EthanMandelson]

crazy how this design is 15 years old!! still looks good!!

[@casmatori]

No need to change it. You're right, still looks modern.

[@EthanMandelson]

A real bisexual petrol-head its a crossbar and it swings out so the kids can walk around it so the driver can see the kids as they cross the street

[@EthanMandelson]

A real bisexual petrol-head most of the time they cant unless the passengers walk 5+ feet or a meter and a half in font of the hood, thats what the cross bar is for, may be ugly but it serves a good purpose! And wow those vans are pretty cool!

[@meccadagreatest7508]

Yes, I agree! I'll pick this one over the new Thomas C2's

[@ryanr2885]

Looks good, but the Blue Bird Vision will always be my favorite!!

[@Bus293Fan]

Awesome review, we have 2020 CE’s as well in North Carolina but only in Davidson hopefully we get 2021 ones soon, we also received the 2019 CE’s as well

[@beng.9208]

Definitely well equipped for a stock unit. Could have been from an order that fell through, which would explain some of the upgrades. If you're going through the IC dealer for your aftermarket A/C, you might end up with TransAir units, which is what IC uses (just rebranded under their own name). Should look and operate identically to your factory-ordered bus.

[@josephb4570]

Nice looking bus, Adam! I love the International IC CE's. I used to have a 2012 International IC CE (Bus 39). Bus 39 had a MaxxForce DT Engine in it and was a 78 Passenger Bus. I have had many 2010/2011/2012 International IC CE's for field trips and things before.

[@1940limited]

This transportation company has made a substantial investment in new equipment. They must be doing well. I have a 2009 IC and love it. It has the steering wheel controls for the 8-ways and push button drive for the transmission. I notice on these new Internationals the crossover mirror brackets block the fender-mounted turn signal lamps. That being said I wouldn't kick it out of the bus lot! International makes the best bus. I remember them all the way back in the 50s. They were always the best. I see you have some older models in your fleet as well. Nice to keep them going.

[@SwannBus]

g bridgman much appreciated, thanks for watching!

[@jeandolce838]

Yo man I always enjoy your content, you really know how to give detailed info on the specs for YOUR state cuz it’s good to know how other states view safety features. I also enjoy how you give your pros and cons to everything which keeps the content balanced. Always great quality and you’re part of a handful of drivers/bloggers who knows how to provide great insight. 👍🏽💯

[@SwannBus]

Jean Dolce wow, thank you!

[@joshm.9308]

Looks great! I hope that they've improved on the design quality of the windows though. Can't tell you how many of these buses I've seen with (passenger) windows that have either gone off track, jammed shut or stuck open.

[@SwannBus]

Josh M. IC got a new window deign in 2018, they are much better. So far, no alignment issues.

[@joshm.9308]

@@SwannBus Good to know as many of the older buses always seem to have issues with window alignment.

[@niks_crazy_world]

Nice bus you guys got. One of our 2019 IC CE’s has been having engine issues so we’re hoping it gets resolved in our 2020s. I miss our BlueBird Visions though.

[@connorvelthuis2221]

As a student in Canada, a few things I notice are the 8 ways are still on the wheel. I’ve ridden on a handful of these with a maxxforce 6.4 but they’re getting phased out because of various rules. In 2015, my area upgraded to a fleet of Blue Birds, with Cummins engines, but transmissions like to go out it seems. In Ontario the 8 ways are different, where they’re all red, the inside two lights alternate the flash from side to side until the door is opened, then the outside ones kick in. No fancy strobe action from side to side as you see. That’s a nice bus, thanks for sharing

[@JordanLoweElevaToursCanada]

This 2020 is International great dude! I love the rims, it’s too bad my district didn’t purchase those rims on the 2017 international that we got during my senior year of high school. Out of all the bus companies on the market I would vote international as number one

[@sethpacholko2112]

They are decent buses . Our district has had nothing but trouble breakdowns and the exhaust burn system they force stop ect our 1980s GMCS run better. I don't know if they have gotten better or not. Those were 2006-2012s

[@sethpacholko2112]

We have had the airbag link that controls airflow disconnect causing the bags to completely dump down

[@sethpacholko2112]

Our 1980s GMC run better but maybe the 2006-12 were not very good.

[@ICBUS0730]

They are awesome man! Thank you for sharing.

[@SwannBus]

ICBUS07-30 thanks, and thank you for watching!

[@oilfan2742]

Your buses are so nice. My family used to own a school bus company. Are only bus with chrome wheels was 35 and it was a 2007 ic ce 200. Ran into financial issues and had a neighboring company (and close friend) take are lone school district.

[@SwannBus]

Oilfan27 thank you, being a school bus contractor isn’t for the faint of heart. I bet you have good memories of the buses. I’m trying really hard to make a business that’s different from the rest. Thanks for watching!

[@jefee4352]

I’ve seen 514 around Saint Charles , cause I live in Charles county & was suprised when I saw “swann transportation “ it’s a nice bus. Love those type of buses

[@SwannBus]

Fattjefee thanks I appreciate it!

[@charlesrodriguez7984]

Virginia spec ics have 3 emergency exit windows per side on their new models and have capacities i think between 66 72 and 77 passengers. They also use electric doors and the circle style cross views.

[@jtetra]

Beautiful! And look at those shinning rims

[@yellowbusguy]

My 2017 has 21,500 miles on it now. The only issue I've had was with the EGR valve which was replaced. Average MPG is 8mpg.

[@SwannBus]

yellowbusguy nice to hear from you. My 2019 turned 13,000 miles today. Averaging 10.4 mpg with the 7-Speed Eaton Transmission. Do you know what rear axle ratio your bus has? Mine has a 5.29. However my 2020 has the Allison with 5.57 gears and getting 9.7 mpg, not bad for a lot bus!

[@ryanr2885]

yellowbusguy Things still going good with JCPS? Long time no see!!

[@JordanLoweElevaToursCanada]

7:41 my favourite part of the video. I love the sound of this engine!

[@jesusarroyo9737]

Beautiful bus. IC makes some good buses (Other than the IC chargE)

[@aerofiles5044]

@A real bisexual petrol-head Its a school bus not a luxury liner. that bar is to protect children when walking in front of the bus so the driver can see them

[@FurryWrecker911]

This makes me want to buy a bus, even though I have zero need or use for one.

[@katherinehart4836]

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[@maxiethefoxxie]

Absolutely beautiful. Wish I had the money for one of these!!!

[@KsKaylor]

Great looking bus. Love the wheels, and the color matched grill plus no storage compartments along the sides makes for a very clean look. I think these are the best looking buses being produced with the Thomas C2 second and Blue Bird Vision last.

[@TellurideS13]

We just got our 5 2019 CE300s here in Sumter County, Florida.

[@littleexperience2.._._._._._..]

Not gonna lie these are very nice buses. Although I don't ride them to school, I usually ride them towards field trips. A bus I ride on is a Bluebird T3RE.

[@bus9331]

You have some nice buses! I wish VA had these specs as standard. Love your videos.

[@allanloos6510]

I drive a 2019 Freightliner M2 built by Champion with the same engine and I love it. The Cummins motor has plenty of power and torque. It’s almost like night and day compared to the International and Mercedes engines in the other busses I’ve had.

[@tylersebring8045]

You have an awsome fleet ic ce buses

[@SwannBus]

Tyler Sebring thank you

[@johnnyjets]

The IC buses are my preferred ride. The handling is so much better than the C2’s and compared to many of my coworkers I like the controls on the steering wheel.

[@markmccormick4461]

John Jenkins i agree we some IC CE 300 great buses

[@andrewp1173]

John Jenkins With our hilly and crappy roads that our buses travel on every day. When our district picked up a different contractor that runs C2’s. The C2’s ride 10 times better. One driver can go 10 mph faster because the ride is nicer for us than the IC CE. Although not to say that the C2’s are perfect, we do notice a few odd quirks here and there.

[@swf2e]

If you would just get a bus without a hood then you wouldn’t have the shaky crossover mirrors. As for the A/C, I got a quote from the place that does all the work for my Thomas dealer. Their system with 2 underbody condensers and a front/rear bulkhead evaporator setup was around $10,000. I figured by the time we were done (I know the alternator will have to be swapped to a bigger one and I wanted the digital thermostat plus unforeseen expense) around $12k to $14k by the time it was finished.

[@freddieaustinthechevroletb6909]

Nice Bus

[@SwannBus]

Freddie Austin The Chevrolet Bison Truck Driver thank you

[@jonathanbradle4036]

She’s absolutely beautiful 🧡

[@SwannBus]

Jonathan Bradle thank you!

[@parker3859]

That's a nice spec

[@jeepfreak53]

Love your videos; you are living the dream! I'm going to become a school bus driver in the coming weeks and am currently deciding on a company or school district. I know you've had experience with all three manufacturers (more so Thomas & IC) and have knowledge of the pros and cons of each. I have a few questions for you: 1. Would you factor in school bus manufacturer when deciding on a place to drive? 2. Being a first-time driver and CDL learner, do you prefer/recommend one bus make over another from a driver's/ease of use perspective? 3. In a mixed fleet would it be wrong to request to drive a specific make? P.S. I have been a "bus nut" since I was a kid and it all started with an International Thomas. I also rode IC's through most of K-12, so I am a little partial to International.

[@SwannBus]

Ryan Snyder I’ll try to answer your questions. Drivers are in demand so you’ve got a little latitude with perspective companies to make a small request. I too grow up on Internationals/ICs and am partial. ICs can be very different depending on the specs of its construction. I think IC makes the best bus IF you choose dozens of essential (IMO) items. If not, you get an average bus (75%). I think Bluebird makes the best “basic” bus. I’d put Thomas somewhere between a loaded IC and a base BB. As for which is easier to driver? All the drivers seem to prefer the Thomas C2 when given a choice, again assuming the specs are low, which most companies are. I say make it known that you’d like to sample all the buses and go from there. Just remember, senior drivers get the most preferences. Glad your joining the fold and thanks again for watching!

[@jeepfreak53]

@@SwannBus Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my comment! I know you're probably really busy this time of the year. God bless

[@jennifermartin4415]

My district has all 3. Im partial to the IC. Thomas 2nd. Do not like the Blue Bird.

[@schoolbusguy2025]

This bus is so awesome. Where's the Motorola XPR radios??

[@bradleymeyer9775]

I really like the IC CE busses.

[@isaiahshultz4296]

Me to the are the best busses

[@jefee4352]

i’ve always wondered how come you have 2 514’s and 2 of the same buses , with different skirts but the same number

[@SwannBus]

jefee 514 was renumbered

[@TheMegaFranBoy]

Over this summer, the garage up my street is going to take delivery of a new 2020 IC CE that will replace a C2, 238. The old 238 can be a sub bus, becoming S238.

[@tmaq9726]

Got new ic buses this year and like the older sets we had that's still annoying is the driver slider window, rattling, ticking junk. And sorry a new one that gets me is the slow cross gate retract, i noticed its vacuum or air powered. Yes i miss the door open/close-warning lights at the wheel.

[@701cabman]

Curious about the black strip of paint (or whatever it is) above the windows... it goes from the 2nd window all the way back. Is it just decorative?

[@SwannBus]

701cabman yes, it’s called a roof streamer and is a throwback to older school buses in my area.

[@bus213]

Could even remove the doghouse lol! Beautiful bus

[@mcallbee]

Adam, what doe these things cost new??

[@SwannBus]

Mark Albee MSRP $209,342 Owners don’t pay this much, but out of respect for my dealer I won’t post the actual selling price.

[@mcallbee]

Can someone purchase through you?

[@chettennant2642]

How are the gas motors? Nobody ever discusses them. Also I'm from northern Illinois and growing up in the 70's nobody had AC. We lived.

[@redneckninc.7310]

Chet Tennant we still don’t

[@schoolbusguru3157]

Hey you should do a driving video and what's the top speed on that bus when it's governed

[@TheMegaFranBoy]

At 3:04, is that a Yankee Candle car freshener? That's Pink Sands. I love Yankee Candles! They smell nice!

[@GlynRobinson]

I’d drive it for sure! 👍🏼

[@class8garage308]

MD state spec with the 8 ways on the right side of dash and not on the wheel is a blessing in disguise, you want your drivers to at least glance over at the service door exit to make sure no kids are tripped or caught in door way, drivers need more interaction not less if on wheel they get too laxy daisy for lack of better term, also our state spec makes us apply parking brakes when debarking kids, yes I replace our brake chambers yearly they wear out power spring if you dont.

[@romellohawkins8495]

I really like this bus it looks pretty good.

[@chettennant2642]

I work doing animal rescue and am buying a used one as we don't have the funds to pay for a new one. Seems like a gas motor is cheaper to run. Also want short wheelbase. Will be putting Goodyear all season tires on

[@Project681]

Very nice bus! What CB radio are you running in this bus?

[@lucaslex9327]

Ok so let me get this strait, it's a 2005 that had a DT466e but was completely rebuilt? I love drum brakes though they sound so good! You need to order some transit style mirrors for this bus!

[@yellowbusguy]

No, this body style was developed in 2005. The chassis, and body. They originally were designed to accept the larger DT466.

[@lucaslex9327]

@@yellowbusguy ok thanks for clearing things up! I love the VT365 and the DT466e!

[@DannyBeatz01]

The fuel tank is in the rear? Wow, I drive 2010-2015 and they're in the front behind the door were the Def Only door is on your bus.

[@cnyoutdoors9313]

That bus is beautiful! Are you going to expand your company in the coming future?

[@PGHammer21A]

So will the signage get redone - along with a renumbering? Neither the number - or the signage - match the other busses - or their service area. (Unless you bought out your buddy.)

[@kyle1021]

It'd be awkward to drive an IC CE without the steering wheel controls for the doors and the 8 ways. I like that. I don't like the bluebirds with theirs on the left side. I think its crazy that that bus is a 2020 and doesn't have 2 stop signs.

[@SwannBus]

Kyle almost everything on a school bus is dependent on the specifications of the state/county/school system its operating in. Dual stop signs aren’t required in my county so you’ll rarely see them. Contractors tend to stay away from items that will break down the road.

[@dmvnewsfan]

Can you do a video on what the AC looks like after its been installed?

[@SwannBus]

MarionStationEAS absolutely, I really don’t know what to expect.

[@ARoss83]

Did the 2020s come with the new ATC and Collision Mitigation

[@SwannBus]

A Ross yes, but it was omitted from this build spec.

[@kodymcpheron5619]

Weird question but can you upload a video of the turn signal sound on a 2020 IC CE?

[@jstkyoshi]

Beautiful bus indeed.

[@SwannBus]

Yuseph Stan thank you!

[@shaw4810]

What do you do that gives you access to all these buses?

[@SwannBus]

Basic TuTs I’m a school bus contractor.

[@snowmanvehicles7320]

Can you do a driving video of this bus just like you did the other international?

[@bassman34516]

Keep an eye on the top radiator hose where the bracket bolted to the alternator secures it. The zip tie is too loose and it chafes and rubs a hole in the hose eventually.

[@SwannBus]

bassman34516 thanks!

[@wyattnuthals4635]

This bus is a beautiful unit, what kind of CB radio so you have in it?

[@terryb0241]

Thats an awesome bus

[@DannyBeatz01]

I wish my 2010 looked so good!

[@mikedior3089]

The c2 just sitting pretty in the background 😏

[@benjaminwallace4626]

Wish my school district would get all new buses All the buses got over 500k miles

[@SwannBus]

Benjamin Wallace wow, what part of the country are you in?

[@benjaminwallace4626]

St. Louis Pattonville Probably not all the buses but a good half of them are well before 2008 with high miles *missouri

[@SwannBus]

Benjamin Wallace gotcha, do they have age/mileage limitations? 500k is a lot for a school bus.

[@benjaminwallace4626]

Adam D Not sure All I know is that those are short distance regular buses or spare buses I think they have a lot of early 2000s freight liner buses that seem to all have water pump issues They got some new buses like Thomas built CNG buses and some newer 2014 ish IC CE buses My bus route always had an old bus thought

[@edwardtabor77]

Nice vehicles. Unfortunately, like most busses I have seen, at about three to five years they will rattle and just fall apart. The manufacturers don't care about quality as most busses only have a 13 year max service life in the US, unless it becomes a church bus later or is sent across the border to South America. Ed

[@ChristopherPaulBacon-m2l]

Such a shame my school district only has Bluebirds. This bus also sounds tougher than the Bluebird. I've never been on an International but I'm sure they're pretty cool. I am a fan of the old Bluebird Internationals.

[@guitarmansegovia]

Mirror Lite 180-395 is the part for the heated HD mirrors with Stainless Brackets. 180-390 for non-heated.

[@SwannBus]

Segovia Creative Media. Produced by Alfred Segovia thank you!

[@puertoricobuses]

Nice! 👍

[@bradleymeyer9775]

In middle school and in the first few years of high school, I rode on a IC CE bus but the tops of the mirrors that are on the hood were flat, just like the ones on they bus in the far left of the screen at 4:46, but older ones were round, and I see the brand new ones that have round mirrors. So did IC get rid of the round hood mirrors and got flat ones and then brought back tee round ones?

[@schoolbusguru3157]

Give us a update on your bus

[@SwannBus]

school bus guru sure, what would you like to see or know?

[@schoolbusguru3157]

@@SwannBus You should do a driving video on the ic, and one question do you floor it when you drive your bus or do you go half way

[@TheMegaFranBoy]

I think the font on the bottom is impact. What is the font on the top? That says the title of the district?

[@Dylan-bw3tj]

I think this could be the font. fonts2u.com/roadgeek-2005-series-b.font?ptext=Charles+County+Schools+&size=3

[@TheMegaFranBoy]

I mean, in Charles county schools, it is bold.

[@andrewp1173]

How many buses does this make that you run on regular routes including the Thomas C2 and your yellow door IC CE? And I’m also guessing you are going to have to hire new drivers to drive the new CE’s?

[@mohammedtoure3968]

I wonder if they Will redesign these buses anytime soon.

[@SwannBus]

Mohammed Toure probably not the exterior but the inside probably will considering the International MV series got a new dash and instrument cluster. Hopefully the new dash, steering wheel and cluster will make it to the buses!

[@bluej9145]

Hey, could you do a quick drive with this bus just like what you did for your Thomas and IC.

[@ArynHendrixx]

What are extended skirts??

[@SwannBus]

When looking at the side profile of the bus, the skirt is how far the side of the body comes down to meet the horizontal line from the service door. When there is no skirt you'll see that line move up and you'll also be able to see beneath the bus. An extended skirt (which varies in length) will bring the body line closer to the line on the service door increasing the total side profile of the bus.

[@ArynHendrixx]

Thank you for providing that knowledge!!! Love your channel by the way

[@NVHSChadSheppard1]

Clutch fans are the best things because big fans can suck up to 25 hp. Clutch fans would turn on when called upon if the engine reach a certain temp and cut off when needed

[@PGHammer21A]

I noticed that this bus is from your buddy in Charles County (as you cover St. Mary's County) - did he pick up the bus for you?

[@andrewcrane2786]

That is very beautiful bus what do you do with these buses I love those rims

[@rodrigojaramillo7876]

Hey You were the 6 speed manual transmission from Eaton Fuller with shifting

[@MrWolfSnack]

My district orders them with black painted wheels. They definitely look better with chrome.

[@BottomLin3Op]

That sucks. In nj they allow the steering wheel controls for the lights. Nj has the most specd buses in so many different forms

[@schoolbusguru3157]

Did you get any new buses

[@the_real_drwhoroblox1935]

That Tk, tk, tk, tk sound was actually like the sound of the glow plugs, why do I still hear it when there is no glow plugs in other buses?

[@SwannBus]

DoctorWhoRoblox1935 yeah we use to think it was the injectors being buzzed but I’ve been told it’s the abs module.....does it on gasoline buses as well.

[@the_real_drwhoroblox1935]

@@SwannBus yep, I usually think its the glow plugs as I told my mother.

[@lynedionne2727]

I love driving those buses

[@thenewyorkdeere4606]

How did the after Market ac come out is it in a video

[@landonvarner2354]

Hi Adam, when you were talking about the 8-ways being on the right side of then driver I disagree with them being on the steering wheel the county I go to school in has 10 2009 ce’s with them on the steering wheel and my bus driver said he disagrees with it because the buttons don’t light up and he says that he has to keep track of the top of the steering so that he doesn’t open the door by accident

[@SwannBus]

Landon Varner interesting perspective. I’ll share it with the factory on my tour. Having the door switch directly above the ignition key has often resulted in drivers turning off the bus during the stop, mistaking it for the door switch. My 03’s have the 8-ways on the right and the door switch on the left. I prefer that configuration.

[@landonvarner2354]

In my district on all of our Blue Birds Visions and Ce’s have all 8-way systems on the left hand side of the driver where the drivers can see them when head lights are on

[@BeJay985]

Thanks it beautiful

[@thelifeofdaniel8223]

Will 531 and 514 be serving charles county school system?

[@SwannBus]

itsMrSheriff Gaming yessir

[@thelifeofdaniel8223]

@@SwannBus How old do you have to be to drive a school bus?

[@SwannBus]

itsMrSheriff Gaming technically 18 intrastate and 21 interstate, but most insurers want you to be 21.....

[@lilclacla1610]

We’re do you get your busses from

[@rad3350]

Which Air conditioning brand you want on it?

[@SwannBus]

R Ad honestly, I have no idea. I told the dealer I wanted A/C so they are having it installed; not sure of the brand the aftermarket company uses. Will let you know as soon as I know!

[@rad3350]

Don’t get MCC just get ACT or Trans Air

[@chiefkeyes5359]

cat whiskers on any bus or tractor are unnecessary imo especially for experienced drivers all I need is the four side mirrors, the regular mirrors and the convex mirrors, although I am a tall man so I can see past the hood without those cat whiskers and also when you have cat whiskers it messes up your MPG capabilities because of the drag it creates

[@SwannBus]

Chief Keyes I don’t disagree, however the crossover mirrors are federal regulation and required on all yellow school buses. I personally like having them especially in tight spaces. Thanks for watching!

[@PaulTech1]

Will you be getting the 360 cameras installed on it? Also will you be getting a chrome grill?

[@SwannBus]

PaulTech to be determined. The working this bus is performing doesn’t really need the 360 system, but I’ll probably do a back up camera. The chrome grill will likely be added to this bus ONLY because you can’t get the bug screen with out.

[@Roof_Pizza]

Good thing there is no door switch on the steering wheel, hate that.

[@johnhershey6380]

How much doues a New Buss cost $$$ 2020 IC CE

[@aleax5670]

The base model cost $28,900

[@johnhershey6380]

That's not bad for that cost. @@aleax5670

[@urielhernandezT150]

Does is spelled wrong and bus needs 1 s to get rid of now

[@Basrijn]

Can you share what you order as LED light replacements?

[@SwannBus]

Bas R NINEO 9007 LED Headlight Bulbs w/Small Size,10000LM 6500K Cool White CREE Chips All-in-One Conversion Kit www.amazon.com/dp/B07M5T9ZZW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_bxN3CcdLvWLKN

[@pjg3311]

You're supposed to drain the air tanks every day 😂 my service truck (08 international 4300 w/ maxxforce 7) drops to 75 psi or so overnight in the #1 tank which supplies the air suspension

[@michaelheller8141]

😂😂😂😂

[@brianmohammed1790]

You should get the hybrid electric bus

[@SwannBus]

brian mohammed stay tuned 👀

[@StarfallTest-hn8ej]

@brian mohammed new diesel and hybrid diesel is replacement for old diesel

[@shaynewaite5329]

where is the door switch?

[@SwannBus]

Shayne Waite directly over the ignition key, great place huh? Well the state of MD thinks it’s where it should be..... 😡

[@jackschissler255]

Adam D well it does make sense. You got to pull the parking brake on anyway (or you are supposed to anyway) when picking/dropping off kids , you might just as open the door/close the door to in the same manor. I never like the crap on the wheel. Never know why they chose to do that.

[@demarcianohudley9354]

Show us what the ac intergration is

[@SwannBus]

Will do when mine arrive, however I can tell you there are three compressors. Interesting because you’d think a larger single unit would be more efficient.

[@demarcianohudley9354]

@@SwannBus no not that one the 2020 that you sent back to get the aftermarket AC installed

[@lanesmith9785]

What was the price of the bus and is it slightly used or new

[@SwannBus]

GhostGaming this bus is new, the MSRP for this bus was $189k