2020 Mazda MX-5 Miata Suspension Walkaround - See What Makes This Sports Car Handle So Well

[@chrislox1]

As an owner of this car, I really enjoyed your tour of the engineering involved in making it such a super-handling machine. Great stuff!

[@DanEdmunds]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@haeuk]

You know it is almost impossible to have "zero" thumbs down on KZbin video and now I see 205 thumbs up including me with zero negative expression that means your contents are just phenomenal. Subscribed. Keep post great videos! (more mx-5 mechanical detail analysis would be appreciated!)

[@VitaMiata]

not anymore...sad

[@Hamsterlion683]

Some pathetic thumbs down

[@SportingDrivesinColorado]

Too many people think big fat rims and tires with lots of plies are for performance. Even fewer think about the weight of the moving parts of the suspension. I think you covered it! :)

[@aroundomaha]

This gave me some buyers remorse since I knew the Miata's suspension was pretty cool, but I had no idea why. I'm a new subscriber -- thank you and keep up the awesome work.

[@apachejai]

I have very very very little understanding for the inner workings of cars. As the owner of a Mazda 3 hatch for 13yrs, my mechanic does all the work. Since looking at an MX5, I've been doing research and this video is most detailed and informative. It also assured me that my mechanic has always been honest with the work they've done. Thank you.

[@BenjaminCorrigan]

I really enjoy learning about the types of suspension in your videos. It would be great if you could speak to what happens when you put lowering springs on the ND Miata and what your recommendations would be when doing this. Maybe you could incorporate this information on all vehicles you review that have a lot of aftermarket parts and are often modified.

[@lorenzozanotto7041]

Mate, you rock. Awesome content

[@kk4649k]

Quality contents. Straight to the point.

[@dk6024]

Something completely original and interesting to say about the Miata! Thanks!

[@DanEdmunds]

Glad you liked it! I've been a fan of this car ever since it came out, and the suspension that's hidden underneath is what makes it so special. If you don't know what's under there, it's easy to dismiss this car. Big mistake!

[@chiparooo]

Very interesting! Great video shots too. Thanks for sharing!

[@jamie101010]

Really interesting overview. An '86 would be another great one to look at. Also Ferrari's rear multi link - I looks to be the same concept as the '15 Mustang - recently read your overview on that one. Both launched in the same year too.

[@waynestambaugh]

I wish we had someone like you nearby to tune the suspension on my Miata. Thanks! Great video.

[@mc3films]

Love how well this contrasts with the Tundra. Great first round, Dan.

[@DanEdmunds]

Thanks! I plan to mix it up. Now I've got to keep the pipeline full. Cool stuff coming!

[@davidedney123]

Superb video and a great series, it's so refreshing to get some proper detail and discussion rather than squealing about the lights in the glovebox and rubbish like that.

[@joetacchino4470]

Love that they still have a sound induction tube off the intake tube!

[@pkonneker]

What does that actually do?

[@ZephyrRandD]

@@pkonneker In this car, it brings a small amount of engine induction sound into the cabin. It's not too loud, and does add a cool bit of character to the car.

[@chicagomike9778]

@@pkonneker and of you'd like, Flyin' Miata sell a sound induction tube delete so you can replace that space with their oil catch can system.

[@edwarddelbar]

It’s 3 am, a month into lockdown, and now, apparently, I need to learn the mathematics behind automobile suspension.......I’m very excited!! Jesus, another rabbit hole that I never knew existed.

[@DanEdmunds]

Yes! And I am learning how to make videos. Everybody wins.

[@garychou9069]

Love it. Please make more. Reminds of my FSAE days when I used to do suspension development before I eventually take up power train development for my first job. If possible please also explain suspension geometry and the intended handling characteristics the manufacturer hoping to accomplish with particular designs.

[@DanEdmunds]

Yes. I think that'll come with time. To date, I have found that easier to do with the photo versions of these because I can stare at the pictures and makes calls and do research before I publish. This is a bit more in the moment. I have plans to work through that, but I'm still getting to grips with shooting and editing!

[@garychou9069]

@@DanEdmunds looking forward to it Dan. As a NA Miata owner I'm really curious to why the ND has so much more traction on the track. I know there had been a ton of suspension development and this video do show some of that.

[@ConquerDriving]

Really informative video, thank you!

[@pkonneker]

Hoping to pick up an nc miata here in the nearish future, so this was fun. Should look around and see if you've done the writeup on the nc and my other dream car, the 996.

[@duckbizniz663]

Hi Dan. Great presentation on Mazda Miata suspension system. Appreciate you distinguishing front double-wish bone versus rear multi(5)-link. I cannot not say if I really understood everything you said but I gave it the old college try. So are there advantages to having front double-wish bone and rear multi-link. Why not double-wish everywhere or multi-link everywhere or front multi-link with rear double-wish bone? You did mention that multi-link rear allows the rear outer wheels to compensate for further travel during turns by maintaining even contact with the flat roadway. Is that correct? What about the inner wheels in a high speed, aggressive turn? Will the rear multi-link system allow the rear wheels stay in contact with the roadway also? Again, wonderful explanation. I hope I understood you correctly.

[@tgsimmons]

Another good learning experience, thanks Dan!

[@TankRust]

Great video Dan! I have a 2019 RF Club model myself, which I enjoy driving daily. It’s a great handling little car on the street. It does allow quite a bit of roll, but I think that adds to the fun factor. I find that cars that are too grippy and stiff are not as enjoyable to toss around on the street without driving like a complete hooligan. I am lucky to have a ‘99 Miata track car for that type of fun! This video brings me back to the days of your write ups on Inside Line! Keep them coming!

[@DanEdmunds]

Thanks. And I agree 100%. In addition to outstanding balance, this car has approachable limits that you can really feel and enjoy. Too much tire and too much suspension stiffness can make a car less engaging. This car will respond for track-types if you upgrade it that way, but for spirited street use it is excellent as-is.

[@mc3films]

More, more, more!

[@michaelm7864]

Dan, I have a stock 2019 RF. I chose touring and replaced shocks / Koni, sport springs, sport bars, front and rear and tower support. I feel all components are better then what gets offered. Car really doesn't have enough power to need the diff. Car is more predictable on quick driving.

[@Jorge_Magallon]

First time I’ve seen you videos. Enjoyed it, even though I really didn’t understand many parts of it. I hope that means you will have viewership like Engineering Explained soon because That’s how I feel when I watch that.

[@maxwelllanerolle8973]

Fantastic explanation. I use a 2017 daihatsu copen cero convertable

[@s2korpionic]

Thanks a lot for your walkaround. Really informative.

[@DanEdmunds]

Thanks. Glad to hear it.

[@IKCS1]

Cool Video very educational I have a 2019 RF GT this was great nice that you provided me with some useful and helpful knowledge of the suspension cheers!

[@nats50]

Indepth analysis of the suspension system! Thanks.

[@armandoloureiro7158]

Finally. A man who knows. But I have a question. In South Africa we don’t get the cub or club. We only get the gt. if I wanted to get better suspension for the Mazda ND what would I need to do. Remember , it’s for road not track. What would you do ?

[@Alniemi]

maybe you can look at generational changes in the suspension of miatas? loved the video!!

[@ZephyrRandD]

I use to own a 17 ND1 RF club, with Brembo's/BBS's. Off the show room floor it had more body lean than my Rubicon... Well, any of my 3 Wranglers actually. The ND has a rather large amount of wheel travel too.

[@DanEdmunds]

Having raced a bone-stock NA (and other showroom stock cars) with super-sticky 80 treadwear quasi-slick tires, body lean doesn't bother me. The real world isn't a billiard table, and lean - so long as it's controlled, balanced and well-damped - only helps the driver feel what the car is doing.

[@markbooth8612]

Excellent video, Dan. Thanks! Just a minor point... For the 2019 model year in the U.S., Mazda did offer a GT-S package. However, for 2020, all of the "S" features of the GT-S package became standard on the GT. For 2020, there aren't separate GT and GT-S packages, just the GT.

[@DanEdmunds]

Thanks. It's hard to keep track when they keep changing things up! I think I knew that, but failed to be clear when the camera was rolling. Putting one of these together is a bit like juggling. I'll make sure to square that up in the written version, which is coming soon.

[@channelnamehere4065]

Awesome! Please keep these coming!

[@DanEdmunds]

Thanks! I plan to.

[@bscgarage]

Great video! 2017 Bilstein are different, right?

[@2688elmo]

Loved this explanation. MX-5's setup looks so good. Suggestions if you ever get the opportunity: Landcruiser 200, S-Class, and 911 (Carrera or GT3).

[@DanEdmunds]

Yes. Those. Absolutely. In time.

[@jasongaudreau2075]

Great video. I’d like to here your take on the same car with upgraded components. Fox coil overs, larger diameter sway bar with connection strengtheners, coils, and various underbody connection braces. It does handle more aggressively with a lot less body roll than in its stock oem form. 2020 club brembo rf

[@Persocondes]

Hey Dan would like you to look at a lexus LS460 front suspension, it's pretty wild

[@gabrielrobleto3013]

Dan- thanks for an excellent video. I really like your lug removal tool. Can you please let us know where you got it/ the make of it?

[@jimknowles5483]

Great work.........!

[@93455Driver]

Heard Dan on the Autoblog podcast, so was interested to find this video channel. Like the details. Also like the lack of influencer like background musak. Would be interested to know What Dan would change based on different preferences, heard that quite a few owners lower their NDs, but I think more for looks.

[@DanEdmunds]

I'm not a huge fan of lowering, but I get it. A little goes a long way. I might go for a stickier tire, but on the same rims. I used to race a Miata in showroom stock, and the only thing we were allowed to do was swap tires. I know from experience that a LOT can be gained from just that.

[@93455Driver]

Dan Edmunds Best mods - the driver, then tires, then brakes, then anything else!

[@2688elmo]

@@DanEdmunds Hi Dan, I'm curious if a stickier tire like the Pilot Sport 4S would affect the suspension in any negative way? Just because Mazda has designed the entire setup to work with the S001 tire. Or would having slightly more lateral grip not affect the standard suspension too much for street driving?

[@SportingDrivesinColorado]

Thanks! I thought it looked pretty high tech under my 2020 Club. You gave some good information. I hear a lot about the Miata having a “soft suspension. I bought mine slightly used and have since discovered some custom work. Anyhow, mine doesn’t budge when I get in and has no lean in the curves. My question is, do people just not know what a soft suspension is or would you think it’s the result of custom work?

[@heikopanzlaff3789]

Have 4 pots on my one front ( cheap street legal K Sport but OK so far since 2016 ) and steel braidet PTFE- hoses all around, makes a big difference in response and feel. Also have Eibach springs directly supplied from Mazda Germany with Mazda part number- coincidence or tribute to no speed limit ? If this is Your car I suggest getting rid of the stupid sound tube. Delete kit is availiable from Mazda ...Bilsteins are stock issue on all German spec. 2,0 l MX 5 ND`s

[@HansDerninger]

Thanks for good content. One query if I may. For track use, what's your opinion on the value of a front one-piece aftermarket strut tower brace? (I track a 2020 MX-5 RF 2.0 ND2 with Öhlins Road & Track suspension and Karcept's sway bars both front and rear. I'm considering removing the front strut tower brace in order to shred some weight).

[@DanEdmunds]

I used to race street-based cars, and I built my own strut tower brace (three piece, with a removable turnbuckle crossbar) for my VW Golf. It helped the car noticeably, because vertical loads push up and in when cornering, and the engine compartment is a big open hole that can flex. It also saved my butt one race, where the strut tower spot welds failed (too much load, high spring and damper forces, old car body, rules didn't allow supplemental welding) because it kept the strut tower from fully collapsing. It does depend on the car and the stiffness of the structure. Mine was a MacPherson strut Golf, but the MX5 spring and shock loads do go straight into the body in the same way, and I think the benefit is more than worth the weight -- especially on a track car that will see higher sustained cornering loads, not to mention your stiffer springs and dampers. I never put one on the MX-5 I used to race, but that's only because the Showroom Stock rules wouldn't allow it. Keep it.

[@carthick1000]

Thanks for such nice informative videos. I am subscribing your channel from now on. Question: Is reducing the unsprung mass the only reason to use aluminium for control arms and the knuckle/hub carrier? Or does it have a more advantages?

[@vincentbaelde-millar670]

In a way you can't see one of the things that makes it handle so well; It's all the air above the car where an SUV would have an extra ton of steel.

[@tonyday216]

Thanks very much ... great information .... any chance you could do a walk around on a Boxster/Cayman suspension ... the very basic strut suspension is very different to Miata/MX-5 .... I would love to hear a professional opinion :)

[@tvrduude]

I should have you look at my TVR 3000S suspension..

[@DanEdmunds]

Hmmm. You in SoCal?

[@tvrduude]

@@DanEdmunds Oceanside. Also a past roommate of Steve Coe. We met waaay back. Bill Sanford

[@yiweno13]

Would love to see a video on the new generation mustang gt 2015-17

[@DanEdmunds]

Absolutely. I'll get a Mustang at some point.

[@Thatdavemarsh]

I like your suspension walk throughs. How about the old 3 series that has that S shaped steering control rod?

[@businessmanph]

awesome video keep up the great work.

[@DanEdmunds]

Thank you. I've been toying with doing these as videos (instead of just written) for some time. The stay-at-home situation gave me the perfect chance to try it out.

[@lucianolucidi8624]

I got one. Its a masterpiece

[@businessmanph]

would be interesting if you did a video on my ohlin suspension. if I drive across country I'll hit you up.

[@antfbi]

I like the awkward pauses when you’re on camera

[@cre8tivegarage157]

We Enjoy watching your channel 👌 Great vibes , We definitely support big time 🥂😎

[@DanEdmunds]

Thanks. I've been sitting on this idea for a long time. Now I have the time to do something with it!

[@KC-gp4mf]

Consider doing a similar video for the new Subaru BRZ/Toyota twin. Thanks.

[@DanEdmunds]

Noted!

[@red5standingby598]

I have the 2019 mx 5 Rf Gt with gps. looks just like yours, what's the difference? I have made some modification. Smoked side lights the last thing I ask for to sell the dile, was apple carplay, and android auto. I also added a grill, LED Resepacking tail and side light, (smoked). next I want to get a flat bottom steering wheel. I love this CAR!!! May 31, 2019 is her bot day. I always bye a car, on the last day of the Mo. Does the 2020 have power Sets?

[@billhaneline7498]

Dan, how about a review of the mid engine new Vette suspension?

[@DanEdmunds]

I'm trying to get my hands on one. That will happen at some point.

[@rchobbyandmoreeverydayisagift]

Love the video, please review a Lotus Elise S2.

[@maheryaser5909]

i learn alot not just had fun thanks alot

[@jordenk7208]

Really enjoyed that. A BMW e46 M3 would be a cool one

[@DanEdmunds]

Yes, it would. Getting my hands on used stuff isn't as easy, but I'm always game for an E46

[@llavero5]

I think calipers looks iron, not aluminium I like this suspension videos, good job!

[@acchaladka]

Wondering if you have done or would do a comparison of this with the Fiat 124 Spyder

[@BrandViolation]

Curious about your thoughts on the Bilsteins included with the Club/GTS. I just bought a 19' RF GT and have seen the Bilsteins for sale as new-take-offs, but haven't heard glowing reviews of their ride quality on the street.

[@DanEdmunds]

I'm generally positive about factory-tuned suspension bits, and in this case the Bilsteins ARE factory tuned in a joint effort between Mazda and Bilstein expressly for this car. That said, it is a Sport/Club, so they do prioritize control over comfort to a certain degree. As I understand it, Bilsteins aren't spec'd on a MX5 with an automatic, because those shocks are designed to work with extra bolt-on chassis bracing that does not fit if an automatic is present -- because the auto transmission's case hangs down more. Point is, if you fit Bilsteins and don't have the chassis bracing under the transmission, you might not get the same results as the full factory setup. Still, the aftermarket tends to be more one-sided -- especially if ride is what you're after. Pure aftermarket setups are usually stiffer because they assume you care more about performance than ride.

[@nomansland4811]

Very informative.

[@DanEdmunds]

Thanks!

[@mrboodi]

I wish you were my chassis dynamics lecturer

[@BryanDawsonUSA]

I have the 2019 RF GTS. I just bought Progress Springs to slightly lower the car and improve handling (slight improvement on roll). I am also considering modest 15mm front and 20mm rear spacers for better stance. Do you see any issues with that on stock wheels?

[@PerplexedPhoton]

When possible you should analyse the suspension of the Mercedes AMG Project One!

[@berkeleygang1834]

So, if the front wheel is located by the upper and lower control arms, and the bottom of the shock is on a pivot, what does the "strut brace" really do? I know how strut braces work on MacPherson strut suspensions, but there the strut is used to help locate the front wheel, and isn't pivoted at the knuckle. Is the "strut brace" cosmetic? I put it in quotes because there is no strut to brace on an ND MX-5.

[@DanEdmunds]

In a front-driver with struts, it's not just about holding the sturt in position. It is that, but it is also about spring and shock loads that come up into the shock towers. That still happens here, and you want that point to be rigid so the spring and shock have a fixed point to react against. But the engine bay is in between. Best way to add stiffness so the upper spring/shock mounting point doesn't move is to add a tower brace -- strut brace being habit, but not technically correct here. I used to race a VW Rabbit with stiff suspension. Built a stress bar of my one to brace the towers. At one point during a race, the spot welds holding the tower to the inner fender failed, opening up a one-inch gap. Maybe when I hit a curb, maybe from high loading in a long banked-turn the track had. I didn't know this at the time (specifically, but it felt weird, but this was a sprint race -- not use pitting) but when I got done I could see that the stress bar spanning the engine bay was the only thing that kept it together, that kept the wheel from going up into the fender. The vertical stresses of spring/shock loads are not kidding, and they're still present here. (and since the towers lean toward each other, even in the MX-5, the loads aren't pure vertical -- there's a lateral load across the engine bay, too.) Keeping that upper point stable makes the shocks more predictable when it comes to shock tuning. Any point with give makes it hard to get the suspension to behave.

[@deanyang1982]

Great video! Please consider to do a Subaru BRZ/Toyota 86 comparison!

[@oyurcha1]

If the shock is at an angle to the direction of wheel travel, the shock travel will be longer and not shorter (excluding the motion ratio effects). Am I missing something?

[@summitlgbicycles1859]

Keep it up!

[@ericsager2169]

Suggestion: my first deep dive into learning about car design was based in my excitement about the 1978 Porsche 928 my father and I bought to fix up in the middle 1980s. I recall learning about the innovative Weissach rear suspension but I never really understood what it did or how it worked (I was 15 and this was pre-internet). It would be cool to see a modern walk around of that classic and probably sophisticated design from the late 1970s. Thank you, have loved these for years!

[@DanEdmunds]

I want to get into classics at some point. They're harder to obtain, generally. I think doors will open up if I'm able to grow this into something. It's early days. But you are right, the topic need not be limited to current cars.

[@rjatom2772]

Dan, if I lower the MX5 with the factory bilstein shocks down to about 1 to 2 inches to where the fender is barely touching or just above the tires, do I need to replace the factory suspension or can I keep them with no handling issues???

[@96BlackSVT]

Was wondering what your thoughts on lowering springs were.. On. the ND MX 5 RF.

[@SuspensionTruth]

Hi Brad, you didn't ask me, but I made this video on the topic - 'What lowerings springs should I get?' kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmTKq36egr2Mq7c A key question I'd ask of the spring vendor is: what are the expected ride frequencies (not just spring rates)? This is because 'Flat Ride' is essential to maintain, including on racing setups. Most factory cars are tuned where the rear suspension frequency is higher than the front. What is 'Flat Ride' and why should you care? kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIOTiGOOrt2BlbM This behavior lets the rear 'catch up' to the front which always sees undulations before the rear. It' common for a lot of aftermarket suspension to NOT be tuned for Flat Ride, where the front spring is much stiffer proportionately. This can make the car 'porpoise' and is NOT good for grip or ride quality. 3 Keys to Ride Harmony kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYuaZYCImt-Xgs0

[@aminmoghadam8743]

Hey. I'm gonna buy a Brand new Mazda Miata and Mazda's website offers 3 accessories that related to handling and costs over $1800. Tunnel Under Bars $1000 Front Strut Tower Brace $560 Lower Arm Bar $250 So my question is do I really need to add these accessories? I mean does really add performance to the car? especially because I want to keep the car for a long time? Thank you

[@edvinvargas9753]

Hey Dan, what is the biggest impacts of lowering the car with either springs or coilovers on this setup? Thanks! 😁

[@StormGarage]

Wow that's insanely impressive for a stock Club ND! I’m excited to see what else you do! I made sure to subscribe! Maybe you could check out my Miata build? I’m building a NA6 heath ledger joker tribute Miata!

[@hayksamvelyan]

I think it would be very helpful if you found a way to point out or illustrate the suspension pieces you're talking about. I know that adds more work to your production, but it would greatly benefit anyone who's just getting into this sort of material. I know it took me years to understand all the terminology you use in this video.

[@DanEdmunds]

Yes, I am working on that. I'm using more tripods so my hands are free to point. See my newer Acura NSX video. Also, the link in the description will take you to a written MX5 Suspension Deep Dive I wrote for Autoblog. I've been writing those for years with color-coded arrows all over the photos. I am moving in that direction for video.

[@agunther08]

Thank you Dan, I’m a little smarter now :)

[@6000pounds]

I have the goodwin mid pipe for my 2016 GT. The mid pipe comes in very slight contact with the X frame support under the car. At cold start up and at traffic lights it produces an annoying vibration from the two metals. Could I remove the X and stiffen up the car somewhere else? If so where would be the first spot you would stiffen?

[@DanEdmunds]

I'm surprised that Goodwin's part doesn't clear. It's not like the X-brace is unknown to them - or uncommon. Have you asked them about it? I'm not familiar with that specific part. But I'm not sure I'd remove the brace. If the pipe contact is light, and I'm assuming it is since it only happens in certain circumstances, I might see if there's an easy way to shim the brace away from the body slightly with thin washers under all of its bolts. But I'm not looking at the car while I'm saying this.

[@6000pounds]

@@DanEdmunds I thought about that as well. I ordered an aftermarket exhaust hanger to with close holes that might raise the midpipe in the rear but I doubt it will do much to the part that comes in contact.

[@6000pounds]

@@DanEdmunds and no I have bot asked them about it yet. They're pretty responsive when I do. Whenever I've emailed Brian about using their mid pipe with other brand headers and exhausts a couple times though I always got the "we haven't tested our mid pipe with other brands" response. I could never get a straight answer on a flanged question I asked twice.

[@alexisknows6513]

In your review you should add how easy or hard it is to adjust camber .....:-)

[@etotheroc43]

Are there any torque specifics on all the links on the rear?

[@Guenounovitch]

Power plant wasn't even tight enought, i had cracks for 6 months before fixing it myself...

[@VeganBytes]

I have my ND since 2019, brand new from the dealer. I'm experiencing a weird handling problem, and I've gotten the car fully aligned to mazda spec and its still behaving badly (laser 4 wheel alignment, no mods to car, original tyres with 10k miles). When I accelerate, the car will lift at the front, and then grip to the right, sharply. I then have to fight it to stay straight and then it gradually comes back to feeling normal. But that right to left motion thats sharp, upon applying gas, is quite off putting, and I'm thinking something isn't right. Surely that can't be normal?

[@DanEdmunds]

I wonder if one of the tires has an internal flaw. Or is a stabilizer link disconnected? Bad shock? All unlikely, but so is a weird handling problem on a low-miles car with verified alignment.

[@JuanPablo-ft2sj]

Are all the links supposed to be complettly straigth? I have two slightly curved links, and my mechanic says the other side should be the same.

[@DanEdmunds]

Which link are you referring to? Give me the video time tag and I'll have a look and get back to you.

[@VitaMiata]

newbie question: is it really safer to lay a wood block on top of a jack stand and jack?

[@DanEdmunds]

It depends. If the wood block is tight-grained hardwood. If the grain isn't running parallel to the pinch weld seam along the bottom of the unibody. But there are products that are better. I've just been looking at buying some, in fact.

[@fidoexpeditions9366]

Nice video. Good to hear from someone that knows their stuff rather than the bulk of the inane babble that is out there!

[@DanEdmunds]

I appreciate that. Thank you.

[@edwardnguyen1651]

So all the automatics do NOT come with Bilstein shocks?

[@DanEdmunds]

That is my understanding. Even the Club. I will re-confirm that, but it came from a very reliable inside source. As it was told to me, the bracing's incompatibility with the automatic transmission knows no bounds.

[@edwardnguyen1651]

@@DanEdmunds Noooo, that's sad because one of the reasons why I wanted to get a Miata was because of the Bilstein shocks.Thank you for your source though.

[@SuspensionTruth]

Hi Dan, as always thank you for your detailed analyses and break-down. I often search for your walkarounds when developing suspensions on different vehicles. Do you know if Mazda asked Bilstein to reduce the gas pressure on the newer version of the Club dampers? I noted the very high (much higher than previous NA, NB, or NC) gas force levels which cause more 'skitter' with the 2016 ND w/ Club package. This was pointed out to me by SCCA National Champion Deana Kelley. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hafPYmCrdq6tnM0

[@DanEdmunds]

I do not know that detail. But I might be able to find out.

[@SuspensionTruth]

@@DanEdmunds Would be interesting to know. Great car, but too much nitrogen charge adds unnecessary jerk.

[@AthenaSaints]

Subaru BRZ, and Toyota GR 86.

[@DanEdmunds]

Yes, yes, yes. Added to the list.

[@Guenounovitch]

yes, these brakes... fading fading fading

[@bv2289]

Same suspension as an RX8

[@bobreno4042]

I think that was the previous nc Mx-5 model with the RX8 suspension

[@bv2289]

@@bobreno4042 yes, the NC had the same design as well, double wishbone in the front and 5 links in the back. Probably the best mechanical suspension setup in the world.

[@bobs9242]

New supra, Lexus LFA, gtr

[@DanEdmunds]

I have done the Supra in words/photos. Look for that on Autoblog. I didn't have my video act together when that one came through.

[@aaronbryan5095]

@@DanEdmunds what do you think about the Supra's handling?