2020 Toyota Tacoma TRD PRO - This Off-Road Truck is Better Than Ever

2020 Toyota Tacoma TRD PRO is an Off-Road Truck that is Better Than Ever! New exterior changes, new interior changes and more safety features. Is this the right truck for you? Find out.
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[@charmnGUY]

To be honest, if you want an XLT or Raptor...even fully loaded Ranger The prices are comparable! The difference is Toyota is much more reliable!

[@sethjohnsen2516]

Ford=Found on Road Dead

[@andyham6094]

Raptor cost way more and it’s a full size. And I would never buy the new ugly ass rangers loll. They look so awkward. Tacoma is the sexiest midsize on the market.

[@dougcoleburn1579]

2 month review😀 My 2020 Taco Pro is just a great truck. Fun to drive and 0 problems. Fit and finish is perfect! Transmission as I mentioned before is great. No more gear hunting😬 Buy one you’ll be happy. Bonus: I’m 6’1” and the power seat finally let me lower the seat and tilt to get completely comfortable. Could not do that in the 2019. Had to scrunch down to see out.

[@mcnasty3303]

im 6'1" as well and was wondering how the head room is since they added power seats?

[@K3nnyAss]

The green doesn't look that good on pictures, but after seeing it in video, it just became my favorite color.

[@dougcoleburn1579]

I drove one the other day. Best Tacoma to date. If it just had AC seats😀

[@dougcoleburn1579]

Also people complaining about price. Drive a new American truck off the lot you just lost $7,000. The TRD will really hold its value.

[@joshuaclavel9666]

Doug Coleburn how much is it?

[@tylerangle1990]

48k msrp with the auto trans and it's more American than half the "American" trucks

[@joshuaclavel9666]

Jee Vang what’s better than a TRD pro Tacoma right now ?

[@tylerangle1990]

@Jee Vang What's half ass about it? It's a pretty darn good little pickup aside from not having a ton of flashy bling bling bells and whistles all over it. In Toyota land form follows function. All the reviewers online can complain about the lack of computer screen crap in the dash but in real life land where we use the trucks for something other than showing off to the neighbor we don't really care much about features that don't provide value other than getting half a star more in consumer reports. Toyotas EARNED my respect by standing up to MUCH more abuse than they should have. An S10 or Ranger would have fallen to pieces but my little Tacoma took it like nothing. If they'd build a true 3/4 ton truck I'd be driving a Toyota right now instead of a Dodge but at the rate they're going now it'll be 100 years before that happens.

[@joshuaclavel9666]

Tyler Angle I see dodge huh.. I’m debating between ZR2 Colorado bison edition or TRD pro.

[@gonerydin4225]

Coming from a 1st gen Tundra, the transmission does take some getting used to. It shifts a lot in rolling terrain, but if not for the louder exhaust, I might not notice. Transmission is very smooth shifting.

[@shelbygtrag5859]

Im glad I went with TRD off road prem.package 2020.Has almost everything Pro has but I won't be using off road as much.Good review feel pretty much the same comments as you made. BIG upgrade from my 08 TRD off road!

[@DriversOnly]

Congrats and thanks for the feedback!

[@thanutz]

This is very true, I almost did the same but ended up going for the pro in the end. The off roads can be configured to be almost the same as a pro on the interior plus several other features.

[@piggiezhang4012]

just say ur poor

[@dougcoleburn1579]

To me the transmission felt better to me than the 2019. Hop in and drive this truck around the world.

[@DriversOnly]

Yes the transmission was revised. :).

[@g9moto253]

I knew there was something going on with the transmission on my 2019 Tacoma

[@Twize]

Love my TRD Pro, but for the premium pricing, I wish Toyota would use a higher quality camera system. This will be my mod when a third party comes out with one. Otherwise I’m enjoying this truck. Thx for the review👍

[@DriversOnly]

Thanks! Yea the cameras are low resolution...def could use an upgrade.

[@fredlentz1411]

The bed isn’t covered with a composite material. That’s not a bed liner, but it is the bed. It’s composite, and you can tell by looking from underneath that it doesn’t overlay anything. Not sure if that’s what you meant, but a subtle difference.

[@DriversOnly]

Nice, thanks for the clarification!

[@FortuneSeek3rz]

Reading so many negative reviews on the Tacoma since about 2016. I hope they fixed some issues in the 2020.

[@tyherr5072]

3.5 liter is a weak engine. That's the problem. Toyota couldn't figure out or what. Hello, I would've bought one if Toyota would've just upgraded the 4.0 instead of replacing with the 3.5.

[@Pengowirr]

@@tyherr5072 is it really weak though? I have a 2018 manual and honestly it's a different truck compared to the 17 auto I had. Being able to stay in whatever gear I choose is great. It's a slow engine off the line but once you get in 2nd gear it comes to life. It tows small boats and trailers just fine. Now, if I had it my way I'd put a small v8 in the bay, but that's just because I love the power. However I dont think it's really NEEDED that much.

[@Pengowirr]

@Jee Vang if you mean they should put on a hybrid or turbo engine? Nah thanks but nah. Naturally aspirated all day. That's why I went with a manual too. I want reliable man.

[@codysmith9813]

Im buying one just like this.

[@kingwolf6832]

I’m telling mum your copying me 🙃😂

[@SteveHartmanVideos]

Still no heated steering wheel? Maybe next year.

[@appleztooranges]

Just bought a 2023 Tacoma trd pro. Last of the best! No to hybrid electric turbo

[@jamesandlizzie2]

great review-thanks- just sub 🤙

[@dino91001]

i think it would be nice if they could integrate the radar cruise control into the steering wheel buttons like they did on the 2020 corolla. that little separate lever on itself looks tacky and it’s 2005 technology

[@okstever]

In regard to the turn radius, I've seen tests, its right up there in best in class. I had a 2012 Kia Optima that was worse than my Trd Pro.

[@leehughes3685]

...this makes me miss my Taco....

[@patricklondon6006]

Now, if they would just lower the price so people won't have to sell their first born!!

[@codysmith9813]

Theresa new one near me dealer wants $47k for it. I want one just like this.

[@eddiesaninocencio6635]

@@codysmith9813 Not a bad price, that sounds like MSRP, allot of options.

[@codysmith9813]

@@eddiesaninocencio6635 They only discounted it $1000 Toyotas sell to well here to discount big.

[@CarnivoreDMD]

Good value if @40k, you really gotta want one for the price. Need to upgrade the gearing etc many videos on how to put $2-3000 more into to improve.

[@codysmith9813]

@CipherBytes Ive seen used newish tacomas for the same price or more than new its crazy.

[@virgfresco1403]

The Best Agriculture Implement

[@macbookpro57]

How would you compare this to the ridgeline? I’ve been going between the two for months; I know the ridgeline is much better on road, while the Tacoma is much better off road, but I also like how the taco looks way more over the ridgeline. Does the Tacoma really drive that much worse on road then the ridgeline? I’m actually coming from a tundra lol

[@DriversOnly]

Tacoma drives nice also on the road. However its much smaller than the Tundra so you will have to get used to that. The Ridgeline's size is like between a Tacoma and full size truck. Ridgeline is better in every way for daily driving, better MPG, awd, more space, more comfort, trunk in the bed...but Taco is definitely better looking, better off road and has a lot more aftermarket parts. So you will have to decide which one is right for you :).

[@mnamous9823]

Why didn’t they include blind spot monitoring in the new 4Runner? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@tomraines381]

@@robbieoram2881 Disagree - On the road with a trailer or at night or bad weather it's plus.

[@brooklynzbeatz]

Only reason I would consider this truck is because of the manual option. But for 45k I rather spend an extra 5-10k and get a Raptor. No I'm not climbing or anything like before I start getting comparison comments. I will say tho, Tacoma's resale value is pretty good.

[@pmazurek559]

I absolutely hated the green Tacoma. Ironically I just bought it. the longer I looked at it the better looking was.

[@noogdubyangchannel6598]

It is too expensive, I really like the manual for me.

[@d3miiig0d46]

How? The 4Runner more expensive...Tacoma has the best price..well here in Texas at least.

[@jacobocaj5778]

Better resale value then the other trucks .

[@herchao]

Sport hood exhaust is in the way.... can they design no sport Hood high in the front. It's blocking the view

[@evangelizacionvirtual2020]

You right, and the sun blocking to the windshield.

[@spvimagery3527]

Get the off road no hood scooped.

[@ryanrust6244]

Not covered with a composite material. It is a composite material. Bed is plastic with metal bedsides.

[@starshipenterprise5861]

The new vehicle prices have gotten up way high to the point that they are no-longer affordable for the average household income.

[@beyondspace3736]

yes, even sales tax and license adds so much

[@aaron5222]

@@beyondspace3736 yeah. 4k in taxes and other fees.

[@FrenchHawk878]

That’s why you put a down payment down like a normal person lol. You save, put a down payment down, and then you can afford the monthly payments. If you have no ability to save and/or budget then you probably shouldn’t be getting a truck anyway. Go buy a cheap 2door sedan.

[@FrenchHawk878]

Taxes are due to your state, not Toyota at all. Move to a state that has zero sales tax and cheap registration.

[@aaron5222]

@@FrenchHawk878 I know. I wish it was that easy haha

[@caitlinmccoy2058]

Almost all tacoma's including 1st and 2nd gen are somewhat noisy inside the cab while driving at higher speeds. The manual transmission is a million times better than automatic, you have total control of the transmission and shifting points, this goes for practically any vehicle out there. They are incredibly reliable vehicles, I'd buy a new one if they weren't so expensive but maybe in the future. Prices are fair considering all of the technology included in the newer models. I don't think it is fair to compare a Tacoma to anything like a larger sized pickup, they are built for different styles of driving and different objectives (per each driver is different). These pickups are amazing off-road in deep mountainous terrain as well, light-weight and narrow, makes accessibility much better than a larger pickup.

[@bretthoffman2128]

The multi view is nice the departure or attitude indicator should be in the driver's direct line of sight, maybe up on the windshield like a HUD, maybe the speedo/tacho could go all digital? Multi view, in that spot? Line of sight of driver, and what does a pickup truck need a sunroof for? I have Toyota Tacoma trd 4x4 Sport, can't WAIT to UNLOAD myself of this 🐖

[@grantcoop]

Why the hell dont they add the vented seats?! For nearly 50k this should be a no brained. If your off roading its typically hot!

[@sv991311]

Just bought one today, down side is the electric seat. I dont like slow electric seats

[@Billfish57]

Crawl control isn't like cruse control for driving over rocks.

[@genius-no5sl]

This truck is my future one , Tacoma’s are just the best as far as durability and looks .

[@pttthhh]

Toyota Trucks and the 4Runner are just filthy badass in the looks department.

[@TheMoua07]

They need this color for the 2022 I think it would be way better than the electric whatever green

[@SnowLion1959]

I wish Toyota should make tacauma SUV it’s gonna look very good . Tacauma suv

[@abrahamrivera4126]

Angry Yak the 4runner is the suv

[@WingManDK]

I would like to see a bigger info screen like more lux cars on the top.

[@Mike-bt6lp]

2020 GMC here I come!!!!!

[@stockman214]

great video - good fair review.

[@advancedchemistry1028]

Good review!

[@ThatCologneGuy]

Is that in Peoria? Cool video.

[@rz7818]

Good review except that I felt you often forgot that you’re driving a truck and not a sports car. Steering wheels on trucks and jeeps usually aren’t so responsive like a sports car. I imagine that’s for off roaring purposes? Also for a truck it does great on gas. Usually you’re gonna sacrifice power if you make it more fuel friendly. So in my opinion that’s not a con.

[@DriversOnly]

Raul, people just accept the norm as if that is how it has to be. Based on your comment "I imagine thats for off road purposes" is exactly that. No it's just that manufacturers didn't put effect into them. Take a look at the Ram 1500 vs all other full-size trucks out there. The cabin is light years better and that's because FCA wanted to improve. Now everyone is playing catch up. It'll be the same with midsize trucks too.

[@JohnnyRebKy]

I’ve never owned anything but Fords and Chevys. Never had a foreign anything. But I really like the Army Green Tacoma!! My only complaint is the gas mileage is the same if not worse than my Ford V8. My 5.0 gets 22mpg on the highway. I don’t understand why these little v6s can’t do better. It defeats the purpose of buying a smaller truck. Of course the Ranger and Colorado don’t do any better. They too don’t do any better than their full size brothers. And then there’s cost. Same price as full size trucks with no gas mileage advantage. I guess I’ll keep driving the F150 until they can make a midsize that actually makes it worth downsizing. Of course for people who don’t care about that it’s a awesome truck! I’d love to have one I just can’t justify the trade in loss Another way of looking at it....are the v6s really that bad for gas mileage or is the V8s just getting that good?? V8 has come a long way especially the 5.0 Coyote Ford. If you told me a ford crew cab 4x4 would get 22-22.5mpg highway I never would have believed it. But I do it all the time 👍🏼 The Toyota Tundra gets poor mpg with their V8 but it’s using a very old design. It’s basically a 5.7 Chevy engine sold to Toyota in 1998. Tacoma is certainly a improvement over the Tundra in context of efficiency

[@silverioarroyo5968]

I'd like to see Toyota give it a real transfer case and improve the dismal crawl ratio to really make the trd pro outperform. 35.6:1 is pretty low espically since it has a TRD PRO badge.

[@julioanzueto3]

Nice review thanks

[@JJustinXu]

ARMY GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@moussamoissa898]

It's very beautiful I need 10

[@andreyshcheglov7212]

Це, гарна бричка! 🇹🇭😎👍

[@Boltdriver70]

Strange.. I own a super white pro and my steering has no play at all. The steering radius is best in class also. The whole bed is composite not a "composite liner".

[@Mimiminoo9]

Will they make TRD OR in army green next year?

[@leetgif]

FYI. Toyota Tacomas has issues with unnormal AC noise that Toyota Corp is unable to fix.

[@jonboll2066]

I recognized that lake.. thought it was in countryside.. lake ida

[@mluc1111]

I'll buy one if Toyota build exactly same one but in EV 350miles per charge 👍

[@thehoofersclub]

Fawk all that tech! I want more mechanical and analog.

[@dj_ath]

Sweet truck.

[@brianbreezy8382]

Hard to hear the engine and tire noise when the ac is blowing straight into the mic

[@DriversOnly]

My bad! Made a point to turn down the ac on my other videos.

[@vinhha6073]

Only difference than 2019 off-road , shocks and struts... color, and trunk step up... hell yeah I keep my 2019...

[@spvimagery3527]

There's a lot different, birds eye camera, hood scooped, apple car play/android auto, 8" screen, different style wheels, LED Headlights.

[@flash1034]

Did they finally fix that crappy transmission programming? Got rid of my 18 because it didn’t know what gear to be in.

[@bigoneish]

Her a manual you bitch

[@iantru9929]

@19:25 he said the engine makes a nice masculine sound and not an annoying one. Thank god their is not nagging feminine wife engine sound. That would be a deal breaker.

[@mrvang8077]

I hate those fake hood scoop! They're just a distraction and hinders my view on the road. I much rather have a vented type hood scoop where it will actually serve a purpose of sucking out hot air from the engine bay.

[@onlythewise1]

whats it retail for is about 38,000 thousand .

[@seanfrashier631]

8:15 thought he said big buns lol

[@redskins1120]

I have a 2016 and already have about 12k in equity if needed.

[@DriversOnly]

Nice! Good buy

[@terry5008]

Where's the diesel?

[@docholliday6285]

Few purchase diesel, that's where

[@michaelrullis7501]

What's going on with diesel in the US? Don't modern diesels need that like special diesel? I have a 94 f250 luckily I don't need to worry about fueling up at the right station

[@simonassouline45]

Become A Toyota Master Tech. For 13 Years and Toyota will give one 30 Percent from MSRP! Toyota Privileged!

[@DriversOnly]

30% is a huge discount! What is your next purchase?

[@simonassouline45]

Soon!

[@rrrrrrtt1]

Great price!!

[@samueldegonia7258]

Can I get it with a 6' Bed?

[@251Trioxin]

Is this stock??

[@DriversOnly]

Yup :)

[@aaron5222]

Dealers near me want a 5k mark up for the pro.

[@thanutz]

Aaron they were doing the same to me as well, said they couldn’t discount a pro at all. I went to several dealers and eventually found one that knocked a lot of money off it

[@aaron5222]

@@thanutz very nice. I ended up getting a 2020 manual premium. Added the skid plate and black exhaust. It had the emblem black out and TRD shift knob that's trash. But I love the truck Also got a good deal

[@thanutz]

Aaron I almost did the exact same thing! Smart thinking on your part though you probably saved a lot of $$ enjoy your truck, regardless of what anyone says they are nice!

[@aaron5222]

@@thanutz I paid 38k after the exhaust and skid plate editions I feel like I got more than a fair deal. But dang a manual in a decent spect color is hard to find. I tried every dealer in my state and still ended up getting a truck from the next state over. I still wish I had the new headlights but Toyota is being stingy with them. But aftermarket options are super cheap. Still wish I had the army green and fox shocks but I totaled my daily had had to take the next best option

[@thanutz]

Aaron sweet deal! I was also looking for the pro lights as well to put into an off road but as you mentioned some items are really hard to find. Sounds like you still made out really well!

[@wilmeradan8657]

Belleza d carro

[@navyryder]

Check out too, the brand new Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, that has rear and front lockers plus can tow up to 7,650 lbs. payload 1600 lbs. Best in class towing and pay load and also hold their value!!!

[@DriversOnly]

I did in fact, have a video out. But I will also make a vs video between the two.

[@rafaeldiaz8129]

It’s fuckin ugly and made by fiat

[@thanutz]

I looked into them, they were really nice but came with an even more hefty tag than the pro

[@Charliefox71]

And how much did you pay for the Jeep?

[@docholliday6285]

Jeep is at the BOTTOM of reliability ranking. Enjoy!

[@husky500cr]

Beautiful truck but too darn expensive.

[@Charliefox71]

True, but less than a comparable Jeep Gladiator

[@Pb_Slinger]

The entire bed is composite. It does not have a “composite liner.”

[@beyondspace3736]

fox shocks what happened to Bilstein shocks

[@Shakerhood69]

Bilstein comes on the Off Road not the Pro.

[@spvimagery3527]

Fox suspension better that's why on the pro.

[@jasondiaz7953]

I don’t think Tundra TRD Pro comes with a roof basket either...

[@DriversOnly]

Your right...had a brain fart :)

[@sandman7849]

Many dealerships don't stand behind their product and offer terrible service.

[@78bilwi]

I personally would like f150 v8 instead.

[@shepherdoffire9263]

Pablo R Hodgson id go for the toyota everyday of the week with the budget i have now, theyll last longer too

[@Shakerhood69]

F150 is a Full Size and the Tacoma is Mid Size.

[@---rg1gb]

Been there done that...the v8 is overrated....and feels like a dog now compared to the 3.5 v6 biturbo

[@turkgeldigroup9423]

no a-trac? where?

[@andyham6094]

It has atrac

[@Shakerhood69]

Manual Transmission Off Road and Pro get A-TRAC

[@alexswage1853]

Toyata tacoma Trdpro really need rear disc brakes !!!

[@frankvalle308]

3:54 Flight Attendance

[@DannyKapatrik]

Frank Valle attendants*

[@DannyKapatrik]

JACKASS!!!!!!!

[@dannypeels2806]

Hope the tran is better my 2018 stinks.

[@jameskirk7673]

Only 1 problem-- 93% of buyers never take it off-road....not even once....93%!!!

[@rahimsabdel3776]

True it is only for show.

[@stanleykania7184]

Roads where I live will give the suspension a daily work out.. roads getting worse every year..

[@beyondspace3736]

if you dont go off road why buy it

[@julestrdprodjimavicpro2869]

voodoobluetacolife19💙🌮

[@정재이-w1s]

Please don't buy a trd pro if you don't have money. If you sell your rare car 3,000 miles or 4,000 miles, you can't buy a new car. If you get in a used car, it'll be so annoying. Hey, how annoying would it be if you put a scratch of the built-in in the car?I feel like shit.

[@davidmueller2780]

Still don’t like the hood scoop ! Ruins the look of the truck

[@gorillaninja78]

Love it! I want one! Dude cut your nails! Lol

[@rx8dude907]

Fucking gross

[@andyham6094]

😂😂😂😂😂 I know right wtfff.

[@CarnivoreDMD]

Slow, underpowered, poor gas mileage for a little truck, over priced, middle of the road goodies, why do I want one still? Oh, those same horrible in wet drum brakes just like my 1984 Extra cab 4x4 had...OK, maybe that’s why I stayed away for this long.

[@CarnivoreDMD]

guy proulx Yes, I agree, Ford & CHEVY have theTaco beat in most every category...for the same price or better...but full sized. If you wanted to put 20k into the Taco, you would still be underpowered. Toyota is stubborn to dump the drum brakes & not offering diesel, tech for rear seating etc or better motor. I could buy whatever whenever but keep my trucks for a long time, currently Avalanche with 350,000 miles and going strong. And, I know you were‘t being serious. ...but the Taco is NOT without problems...for $50k & needs aftermarket improvements, for me anyway.

[@DingoZed]

@guy proulx Wont need an engine rebuild, but the body/frame sure as hell barely lasts past 100k.

[@DingoZed]

@guy proulx One vehicle doesn't prove anything. You saying corvettes are as reliable as Toyotas? One hit 773k miles, so by that logic, it's as reliable as a tundra.

[@thanutz]

Buy a ridgeline I’ll come pull ya out

[@thanutz]

guy proulx responding to the op’s comment. If he wants something with better gas mileage etc get a ridgeline but don’t plan on going off roading with it.

[@tyherr5072]

Yeah, 3.5 liter and less power that's why I don't buy one, unless they put back the 4.0..

[@Shakerhood69]

It has 42 Horsepower more than the previous 4.0 Tacoma.

[@beyondspace3736]

278 horses is enough

[@jackdahack101]

Trump 2020!

[@Charliefox71]

In prison!

[@marcosbarranco5523]

In prison

[@Flyingaceful]

Still using drum breaks in year 2020??!! 👎 Booo!

[@CP-kb1du]

2020 that will be on the road in 2040 easy Boo on you

[@Flyingaceful]

C Man, calm down dude! I have a Tacoma and I just wanted them to make it change to be better! Why do you think Toyota decided to put power seats on all 2020 Tacoma models? It’s because we loyal customers voice our opinions and they heard us.. I don’t get you! Do you ever have a Tacoma?

[@spvimagery3527]

@@Flyingaceful Toyota say that with drum brakes when going off roads while dirt/mud will get on the disc rotors and will have higher chance to corrode.

[@bernadel2]

He said no locking rear diff on a tundra wow stop watching after that

[@beezletrip6]

The Honda ridgline come with more bang for the buck lol

[@DriversOnly]

For daily driving yes for sure but doesnt look anywhere as good nor have it's off road capabilities. Cant toe as much either. Just depends on what your looking for. :)

[@RCGJR_]

Honda ridgeline, lol..

[@sandovalpaul]

Ha Honda??....pff..fuck that I'd rather have a Tacoma trd pro not an ugly ass ridgeline...plus ridgeline can barely tow its shadow...😅😅😅😅😅

[@xdunejunkiex]

Oh you mean an accord with a bed

[@HaiNguyen-hh9yt]

Cheap ass

[@Dr.Beat01]

And it still has drum brakes on the rear, that’s the proof that Toyota does all the same only changing the style. 👎🏻

[@tumo2757]

Because it a truck

[@RCGJR_]

You ever heard of, “don’t fix what’s not broken” ?

[@hybridsnowleopard]

@@RCGJR_ Right, automakers should bring back vehicles with technologies from the 90's and sell it at a premium price because it's not broken, so there's no reason to fix it.

[@RCGJR_]

Hybrids Vader you completely missed the point..

[@hybridsnowleopard]

@@RCGJR_ Oh no, I didn't completely miss your point. That excuse is just getting old.

[@Gypsum-pro]

Push button!!! 😡👎 Relay theft. Too bad they have that to stay. Dam pretty boys go drive a Miata

[@Shakerhood69]

Manual Transmission still uses a Key.

[@scottie8984]

Your not 5"10😂

[@DriversOnly]

Are you so insecure about your manhood that you have to question other people's height? Lol

[@scottie8984]

@@DriversOnly No, I have a sense of humor, it's a joke.

[@Pabloperes675]

@@DriversOnly sounds like you're insecure? Lmao, shorty.

[@---rg1gb]

Thats not sense of humor...you're just a clown 🤡

[@supervong1]

Good thing fake snorkel is gone.

[@DriversOnly]

Its an optional feature.

[@ripperx444]

Oh shitty IL ruins the truck!!!!

[@myrongaines5542]

No diesel, no care..

[@rafaeldiaz8129]

Myron Gaines then why click dumbass

[@docholliday6285]

Lol, you and 3 others