2021 BMW 430i Coupe: The 4 Series is better as RWD!

[@crezrox]

I ended up buying a 2022 430I m-sport after watching this video, I was never a beamer guy but this car was so beautiful to me, I love the car, but I am now saving up for the M4 Comp. What an amazing machine. I have been meaning to thank you MOTOMAN, so here it is THANK YOU!

[@wr8thbeatz322]

Congratulations my good sir!!I am in the market for that car as well and I’m wondering Should I get a 430i or a 2022 LT1 Camaro? Truth is I just don’t want to be underwhelmed by 430 power yet that’s the only trim lvl I can afford :( . I come from a 328i e90. Is your car fast and fun?

[@crezrox]

@@wr8thbeatz322 Thank you! I have not drove a Camaro so I would not be able to compare, but I will tell you, I absolutely love driving my 430, the take off on the car is amazing. Yes, the car is super fun to drive, especially in the mountains. The handling is top notch. I would suggest test driving both cars beforehand. Cheers!

[@slscamg]

You’re wish list is why I love my F30 335i MSport rwd. It’s relatively light, rear wheel drive, 300 hp never overwhelms the rear wheels unless you’re being stupid, the front wheels are only worried about turning not trying to power the car and with 300 hp it’s that perfect hp rating for the street.

[@guitjammin4710]

I currently drive a 228i M Sport with the Dinan Stage 1 upgrade and have been thinking about moving to the new 2021 430i and adding the Dinan kit. I believe the horsepower moves from 255 to 300plus and torque is also around 300 pound feet as well? Given that the Dinan kit runs in the $2k range and the 4 cylinder's weight is 500 pounds lighter than the M440i 6 cylinder with X drive, it's a cost effective option for extra power and fun.(I do not have any affiliation to Dinan....just a happy customer). Also, with regards to the leather option you liked in this video, leather is beautiful but can be prone to showing wear on the side bolsters as we all know. The BMW SensaTec is super durable and on my 7 year old car, it still looks like a new interior. Comfortable too.

[@gw7624]

It's amazing that BMW managed a 50:50 weight distribution on the E46 330i but somehow made the smaller-engined 430i nose-heavy.

[@RO-cf3lz]

Overall, I love the car and the front grill really grows on you. Without a front liscense plate, the 4 cyl speaks to ATTITUDE. In contrast, the M440i has SERIOUS ATTITUDE. I'm an old traditional purist by saying, who needs all wheel drive in a sports car anyway. All wheel just takes the fun and handling skill out of it. To that end, a manual transmission would have been even a greater option even though the 8 speed automatic is excellent quality and almost rivals a PDK Porsche.

[@TheDjochateau]

I own the 2022 BMW 430I...It's not loaded out, but I decided to do a performance chip for 300 bucks..Overall I'm happy. Just didn't want to pay extra 10k

[@wr8thbeatz322]

How much did it cost you and how is it holding up now? What was the hp gain? Thx!

[@peterzironi7707]

I don't know about the US but here in Germany BMW already offers the M4. If you buy it without the competition pack you get a manual rwd 480 PS (353 kW) 4 series for a base price of 84 000€ (about 100 000 USD)

[@fredbloggs1472]

An M2 CS....Yesss. Congrats to you sir.

[@android-ud2nf]

They should have used the less is more when it came to the grille

[@dcharizard91]

The M340i (RWD) would probably be the better car to get. It’s has the wonderful inline-6, less polarizing styling, lighter than the M440i due to RWD option, more practical (4-doors), and cheaper than the M440i.

[@nessuno5403]

Car & Driver was very critical of the dynamic inadequacies of the M440i. Stylistically it's a mess suitable only for Bugs Bunny 🐰 Watch Frank Stephenson's review, he penned the McLaren P1 among other cars stating this Bimmer is "Good from far, far from good"

[@pr33tu_]

Exactly why I'll hang on to my f30 328i lci msport, at 3300 lb it's a hoot, had it since new. However, I can't see myself owning any of these new generation ones to upgrade to. A used pcar or amg gt is what I'm saving for.

[@migy5031]

In the US you can get the M340i with RWD. Avoid some of the weight-inducing options and it comes in under $60K. The 3 Series also has a nicer profile and avoids the nose.

[@LearnAboutFlow]

and you get that great built-in-Mexico quality

[@SC-ir3vn]

No way the 3 series is better looking. Also got the 330i and it is rubbish compared to my previous 435i. Impossible to drive smoothly as so much turbo lag

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Adding lightness to a good chassis adds driving magic...I got used to the front, still I am not in love. I had the prior 4 series which was light and a 420d for a while, that was driving awesome, funny enough it was white too and black leather inside and manual! only the engine noise was a drawback though. But I remember well that many times I was walking away from the parked car and turned around because it was so good looking - "it was drop dead gorgeous car". I would go with Kumo and go with the M2CS in white :)

[@mbertono7568]

Throw that shifter into it's sport setting. It makes a pretty nice difference on the 430i. Sport mode alone is ok but sport mode with the transmission also in sport mode makes the car come alive

[@nicnac4924]

I love the nose. I think that the all black grille makes it more sporty looking though.

[@jamar959]

Good review! Holding out for the 440 rear wheel drive.

[@nessuno5403]

It's ugly but it's also not what a BMW used to be and drive like - see www.caranddriver.com/features/a34900893/2020-winners-and-losers-testing-edition/

[@IceDree]

You know, I'm not really into white paints, but there's something about the Mineral White that connects to me. I blame the X6 & Giulia lol. The M3/4 grille has grown on me since they came out, but I'm still not sold on the regular 4er. Maybe in the future when the car becomes more common. So M, a quick question, a 430i or an M240i? Or wait for the new 2er? They're around the same price. As always, excellent work, dude. Good to see Kumo as well, he brightens my day every time.

[@davidzvezda]

Great review and great driving....i am looking at g20 330i, i will be moving from 325i e46 so i think it will be significantly faster. I was aiming also m340 afraiding that 330i is not enough, but probably it is out of my reach( 10k Euros more and more expensive insurance). Do you thunk 330i is fast enough for open roads and daily driving? Thanks

[@mbertono7568]

I've got a 2020 330i xdrive G20 and if you put the car into sport mode and putting the shifter into sport mode it really makes the car feel quick . Plenty quick enough for the road and plenty to get in some trouble. I drove both the m340i and the 330i back to back and for me the extra money didn't make it worth the extra power to me using the car as a daily driver. The 330i xdrive is a great car and of you want more power it's super easy and cheap to tune this car and will add some really good power.

[@darrell9616]

I agree with virtually everything you said in this video. I don't know why the Germans can't follow Alfa's model and have an AWD system that is 100% RWD until power is needed upfront for grip. I'm glad that you mentioned the pricing on the 440. That was a rather large omission in the previous video IMO as that simply isn't a 70K car. I was disappointed to hear about the understeer of this car. If I wanted an understeering car then I would buy something FWD. I don't personally see the appeal of the M2CS, but that's just me. Otherwise, outstanding review.

[@Foregrlz]

That's what XDRIVE is all about ... RWD until needed up front

[@MrBillSabre]

I love the giant beaver teeth! lol

[@JDubbs07]

Too bad the Infiniti Q60 is so heavy, it used to be in the conversation back in the old G days. Now you almost never see one

[@wak215]

Can you review the 230i to see where that fits into the current line up for Bimmer coupes? That can be had with a no cost manual transmission for around $40k

[@nessuno5403]

Easy, at the bottom

[@wak215]

@@nessuno5403 huh?

[@nessuno5403]

@@wak215 I answered your question.

[@wak215]

@@nessuno5403 explain how you answered me?

[@yahtadi5152]

BMW B series engine literally the best engine from in this decade

[@tamasszabo8824]

What about the NA 4.0 liter B6 Porsche engines in the GT4 and GTS 4.0?

[@yahtadi5152]

@@tamasszabo8824 thats just specific, in particular engine. While B seried BMW from the other hand - 500cc per cylinder. You customize as you like accordingly(in theory) - BMW brough block from their diesel line up(almost close block). Super strong, can stand so much boost - air-to-water intercooler that placed in intake manifold - Toyota itself said to Jason Engineering Explained that they tested themself, both 4(4x500=2.0l) and 6(6x500=3.0l) cylinder. They both passed toyota reliability's test. Hence they used both for their supra - Toyota spend years to make the next 2jz and they said they couldnt make any better inline 6 than B58 - Papadakis racing boosted so high, it reaches thousands horsies in his oem B58 block. His tim won drift world cup btw - There were also mix fuel injection aftermarket part(papadakis used this as well) that combined port and direct injection. Much like legendary toyota D-4D's tech - Mini and 2 series used the 3cylinder version(1.5l) tranversly and achieved 50:50 weight And many more.. This B series, It really is the best formula of internal combustion engine for this decade: customizeable, compact, realiable, good gas mileage and performance

[@tamasszabo8824]

@@yahtadi5152 Your points are valid and understood. However, it is not just BMW who realized that 500 cc is the ideal displacement per cylinder. Look at the 4-cylinder 718s and the 6-cylinder 992s (the 4.0 GTS is the odd man out). Check out Mercedes and Audi. They have been building engines by the same principles. I would certainly wait with declaring "the best engine of the decade" without having any long-term (>100 K miles) reliability experience with these powerplants.

[@yahtadi5152]

@@tamasszabo8824 i dont have to. B48 already won best compact 4 cylinder engine, so did B58 as best engine the world last year On the other hand, M2xx series for mercy is using boost to achieve every peak they targeted, the only marvel was they claimed to achieve best thermal effieciency to compensate with those sky high boost. Then months later Toyota dopple them down as they claimed to achieve 40% thermal efficiency with new so called Toyota Dynamic Force. You can find all details for both, on Engineering Explained channel And the one, Consumer report reported Audi as the most unreliable manufacture, with majority complain came for A4 So no, they both didnt do same thing as BMW(in terms of engine) No idea for porsche tho, but i believe.. Its already too complicated to even compete with, note: not to complicated in terms of mechical, but architecture, layout, proprietary here and there and so on. It aint even running on everyday vehicle tbh. Superb engine nonetheless While this, holds best engine in the world award and Toyota is using them for their master icon product. That says it all to be honest

[@user-el7hy7os6l]

Omega seamaster on your wrist?

[@MotoManTV]

Good eye! 007 40th Anniversary.

[@tough931]

I'll wait for a facelift.

[@shooterslife65d69]

I’m new to BMW , I know the 430i is a step up from 330i. But the 330i seems to be a little bigger. Is this true?

[@MotoManTV]

Same car. Same platform. Same packaging. One a four door, the other a two door.

[@adamstokes]

Less is more.... How does that work with the price tag

[@TheMpofu]

That sir, is a excellent question.

[@vegasman33322]

Does this drive better than the Kia K5 GT

[@MotoManTV]

Significantly.

[@jareknowak8712]

This with manual would be even lighter, with better weight distribution, probably cheaper and way more fun.

[@jareknowak8712]

...naturally it needs also light metallic blue color.

[@Tracertme]

When is the LCI model due so we can have a face lift... we need to remove the BBQ grille on the nose.

[@brandonminiman]

I can't wait for the new M4. I just don't think I4 is good enough for this car.

[@nessuno5403]

The M4 is heavier, uglier, with a single piston rear brake that is a joke. Manual only in base spec and not that much faster than F82. A bigger mess.

[@grahamsalmons2027]

First time viewer, very good review. Here in the UK we get a bit more power, and you can race chip it up to 300 at the wheels. I am also between the 440 and this one, but the 440 is super expensive for performance you rarely can use. And heavy! Here in the UK we get Sonema green (dark metallic green) and with either red, oyster or tan interior it looks very distinguished. Overall the first new car I’ve really considered buying in ages...

[@MotoManTV]

That Sonema Green with Red (thinking two tone - red seats and door inserts, rest black or other contrast) - that would be interesting.

[@magic8585]

where is BigTech censorship when you need it?!

[@MotoManTV]

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

Fingers crossed there's a RWD M440i. I think there's a point where 4WD is necessary in a car but 382hp probably isn't it.

[@Kelveron]

I like the nose and the grille design! To eyes it makes the car look purposeful and dynamic. Where I am critical of BMW is allowing the 4 series weight rise somewhat dramatically. Though, to be fair, it's probably no worse than the competition in that respect. But from BMW - the ultimate driving machine, remember - I expected better.

[@nessuno5403]

Look up what Frank Stephenson says about styling on his KZbin channel. He penned cars like the McLaren P1 and Ferrari FXX. Spoiler alert: good from far, far from good.

[@Tony-hj7bm]

Urus review !

[@martinschopenhauer6510]

Thx!

[@marcnobel3938]

Kumo fits way better to Maybach and Porsche Colors in my opinion. Interesting that he ordered an M2 with a manual Transmission. I think he gets influenced by his owner/partner.

[@MotoManTV]

Two things: 1.) The M2 Manual is a loan for an upcoming episode. 2.) The part about who influences who . . . you got that backwards:)

[@marcnobel3938]

@@MotoManTV I suspected there was a bribe with some delicacies, but it seems I am wrong on that part too :-)

[@tylyu2932]

I thought Kumo bought a manual M2C

[@MotoManTV]

He saves all his money for airplane parts. The M2 CS manual is a loaner.

[@tylyu2932]

@@MotoManTV I'd say Kumo writing a check for a manual M2C would make a great episode. "2021 BMW M2 Competition: Kumo Takes Delivery!" :)

[@mannymanuel1618]

Yeahhhh I second that last comment

[@aviator-kn8zq]

Let's see the sales figure of the C Class in 2021 because of the facial disaster. Looks like a big paper clip stuck on the nose lol.

[@krifferb1980]

Mineral white is metallic. Alpine white is the basic flat white. Thus the upcharge. Shame this car only looks good in black when you don't see those teef. And who says BMWs don't have spares? This one has 4. Isn't canyon carving dangerous on spares? At least they have spokes instead of the little holes. Or are we in the 90s again when the base model didn't even get hubcaps? Maybe they flew off in the canyon... #badfadspersonified

[@Johnsmith-bd4ut]

M440i convertible? It is rear wheel drive.

[@derekwhyle1884]

Is it just me that’s seeing Bugatti/ Bentley in that front end ? Or should I take more water with it !

[@EVsteve80]

Maybe a 440i?

[@mickrick84]

Design is about taste.. but while car technology is heading towards electricity and size of the grill is getting smaller and smaller and lessimportant, BMW just doesn't get it and goes the opposite direction.. which is completely wrong .. they are self caught in their grill Design Icon which has been so important to them since their beginning.. instead of designing it smaller, elegant and discrete they do all the opposite and therefore going back in time instead of going forward.. could you imagine a modern car with an old fashioned grill like the one of a Ford T-Model??

[@osu3221]

I mean for half the cost o can get an accord 2.0 and have a car that will last longer and if something goes wrong, the mechanics know how to work on them. To put it mildly, BMW rips you off.

[@yakubugagocpa2046]

The driving gave me anxiety lol

[@erawamai]

hard to take you seriously if you think this is 'slow'.

[@AntLive29]

For $58k I’d just get the base RWD M340i

[@FredroStarr12]

Bmw is having an identify crisis, lost and confused

[@tremec6]

The car is beautiful but I’m concerned about it reliability. Every week my Cooper S needs something.

[@jasonwinchester8097]

Dont get any 4 cyl from bmw, they arnt as reliable. You wanna get a 6 cyl, they may get oil leaks over time, but nothing major like block warpedge on the 4cyl

[@nessuno5403]

Beautiful? Eye test overdue?

[@jareknowak8712]

Have You ever considered painting Your dog blue?

[@MotoManTV]

You joke but he and have discussed it.

[@jareknowak8712]

@@MotoManTV :)

[@aarvin1]

Manual 6 cylinder ... Auto Rwd 6 cylinder

[@ssamcobalt4956]

Pristine edge

[@joemoses3028]

I got a 21 base model white with red seats who wants to be friends lol

[@rawand6344]

I love the nose

[@meggieturi]

No manual transmission. Game breaker.

[@omarpabon5751]

Can't justify this car at this price when the Supra exist. I know one is a two seater, but no one is buying a coupe for practicality.

[@nessuno5403]

😂 The Supra is another modern BMW fiasco, reputationally

[@sk8snowftw]

The f is that front grill 🤢🤢

[@skillz1855]

I'm sorry but these new 3s are just simple and ugly

[@haze1123]

Hideous from the front, boring from the side. Hard pass

[@osu3221]

Simply, the cats are just out of style and BMW SUV aren't as good as their sedans.

[@jjodise]

I find 440i better

[@restalva]

this is why i will not buy a 430 coupe . bad grill . no manual trans .

[@LearnAboutFlow]

The 'small' coupe is as long as the old and much revered 5 series used to be. BMW gave up it soul to the Chinese market. Nothing interesting on offer any more.

[@NS416]

Hahaha, why don’t you just continue to watch Hyundai reviews? 🤣

[@LearnAboutFlow]

@@NS416 You mean Hyundai, the companies that now employs ALL the engineers that make BMW great? No problem. I'd take a Veloster N over any BMW these days.

[@nessuno5403]

@@LearnAboutFlow Hyundai-KIA have top BMW and BMW M engineers and designers. Sad but true and their improving cars show.

[@Italianboii845]

worst grill ever

[@tony9554]

It (the nose) grows on you?. So does fungus and moss. 50 large for this under powered ugly duckling? The line of badge snobs is out the door at the BM dealerships.