2022 Crf450 Vs 1996 cr250 two stroke against four stroke lap time race!

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Finally got a chance to stack these 2 bikes up against each other on a fair playing field. Same rider, same track, same day, and same lines.

[@glennmyers4633]

That 96' is ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you so Much!

[@shanemacintyre3200]

5 seconds gain in 25 years or so in technology. I loved my 96 CR . Thanks for comparison I never got to ride a 450 I’m sure I would have liked it. Nothing like a screaming 2 stroke

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you! It’s so fun riding the 2 stroke

[@Davido50]

You would LOVE the new 450s or 250 4-strokes. They put the power dwn so much better. Try one. I'm a convert! #Yamaha #Maxima

[@shanemacintyre3200]

@@Davido50 I’m sure I would. I keep up with all the racing it’s been great. J7 said he’s riding Reeds riding an going to race. Good time to be in the middle of the best sport in the world.

[@GearheadRob319]

@@Davido50 Yep, totally agree.

[@Bobby8451]

2 strokes 4 life. I'd like to have a crf 250 for trail riding. I don't do tracks anymore, I kinda like taking it easy now. Great vid and that 250 ROCKS!

[@northerntoyota7584]

450 is definitely faster and easier to ride, but at almost 40 it’s about having fun for me and I’m on a 2022 gasgas MC250. Great review

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you! I love riding the 2 stroke if I’m not racing

[@jacobeves5281]

Love the content man! Keep it up, I have a 95 cr250 and love it to death

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you so much! They are the best

[@Davido50]

Keep it always! To move fwd in ur skills tho get a new 4-stroke when you able. You won't regret it.

[@MMACHMP]

The 1996 CR250 motor was awesome I loved that bike

[@motoblast3574]

The motor is so good. I rode it back to back with a 2005 cr250 and the 95/96 motor feels much better

[@DavidByrski]

@@motoblast3574 I agree I had an 05 CR250R, had the top end ported and head work done by PC . Put a PWK 38 on it and it still wouldn’t hit as hard as my 96 did.. sold it and my 08 CRF450R found a beat 96 and built the ultimate CR250R.. Miss my 08, it hauled the mail but the 96 is so much more fun 👍🏻 . Love the video man . Thanks.

[@motoblast3574]

@@DavidByrski that's is awesome! good to hear your your opinion on them as well. Thank you.

[@Mr10usdad]

Nice video! I have a restored 1995 CR250. I really like it. I just like two strokes.

[@motoblast3574]

That’s awesome! I never considered myself such a 2 stroke fan till I realized I own 4 two stroke race bikes and only one four stroke 😂

[@sambuvca22]

Track looks SICK!

[@mikehatch1967]

I had an 86 YZ 250 that I had much fun on. I learned to ride on a CR125 if am remembering correctly it was a 1981 Elsinore. Graduated HS in 85 so I was definitely a 2 stroke guy most my buddies were. I did have one friend that rode an Honda XR which for a four stroke in those days was a sweet ride. I am 56 now and with having back surgeries I And age my 2 stroke days are over😞but I sure live to watch

[@Brad-S]

Thanks Moto Blast for the video. That 1996 CR250 sure looks awesome. Ever think of doing test with a CRF250 vs. your CR250? The CRF would still have a 26 year advantage and I think that even the fight some. Said the 2 stroke lover.

[@motoblast3574]

Haha! Thank you. I think that would be such a good test. I’m thinking the lap times on this track would be so close!

[@steve9412]

Thats right , i would actually like to see that. My moneys on the 96 . Tang ta tang tang.

[@kylelangworthy9641]

Agreed 250 2 stroke versus 250 4 stroke Nowadays is pretty darn even as far as power anyway. 450 is just way too much against a 250 2 stroke.

[@jetdr]

Have to love a 2 stroke!! 26 years old and still keeps up. You won’t be testing a 26 year old 4 stroke!! I love them both, the 4 stroke is so much easier to ride lazy!

[@motoblast3574]

Yes for sure! I think I’ll do a video of the 2003 yz250f Vs the 2001 kx125. I think that’s puke be a better comparison as they are from the same era

[@evo5349]

Good ride and always try different things on my bikes and when I was racing KTM tried a high seat and it worked so well used the combo on my two strokes and then 4 strokes.

[@motoblast3574]

Ohh yes that’s a good idea. The seat heights are so different and change the feel a lot

[@lawrencemacdonald-yz4vn]

My old school 01 cr 250r is a blast and simple maintenance and so much fun.😊😊

[@thecamps7574]

Good video!

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you!! I really appreciate that

[@mikemajor5291]

Very cool. Wish I did this with my 03 and one of my old rmz 450s

[@motoblast3574]

Ohhh yes that would have been sweet! I feel like etown would be a better track to do it on

[@2Narwhals]

You look way more comfortable on the 450, definitely a really good looking track i wish i had something like that i could ride on. Really good job though

[@motoblast3574]

Yes, I feel a lot more comfortable. Thank you so much!!

[@narfer]

I love my 96. This just show that they are still competitive today.

[@Duppavich]

The dude on the quad is rippin 🤘

[@motoblast3574]

Yea he rips! That’s Nick Gennusa

[@sandonsowers4831]

Would very much rather have the cr 250

[@motoblast3574]

It really does rip

[@dannywebb6709]

Can't beat the looks of the old 2 strokes.

[@motoblast3574]

That’s for sure

[@kimfallon5705]

Maybe use a Decent Cr 500 or KTM 300sx for the comparison, just can't undersand all these four stroke comparison matchups against 2 strokes with half the engine capacity, thank you

[@smittysmith4828]

Because when 4 strokes hit the scene 250 2stroke class is where the 400-450 4strokes fell into

[@BobSmith-cb5xr]

@@smittysmith4828 which was right for them when they first came out and were making hp in the upper 30s exactly where 250 2 strokes are. Now days pretty much all 450s are knocking on 60hps door and they arent very comparable.

[@smittysmith4828]

@@BobSmith-cb5xr I understand that, but he asked why compare the two? Simple cause they're in the same class lol

[@BobSmith-cb5xr]

@@smittysmith4828 they're not in the same class anymore. The races at my local park they put 250fs and 250 2 strokes in the same class. Horsepower rating is about the same with the 2 stroke having the edge on slightly more torque.

[@motoblast3574]

I would love to get my hands in a 500. From what I hear, I would have a slower lap time on a tight track due to the crazy power

[@shannonscott5788]

2t = funner 4t = winner I am almost age 50 an grew up on 2t but now slower reaction an lazier wich makes me faster on my 450. # I am still fast and I beat my sons half the time and they race MX/GNCC.

[@motoblast3574]

That’s on point

[@user-mq9px8yk9j]

good bikes both

[@MrMotocrossgeek]

Hey I have a 96 and the thing rips but I can’t get it to stop. What brake setup are running( rotors, newer master cylinders etc). Thank you

[@motoblast3574]

Hey! I have a custom 280mm front rotor and everything else is stock. Still doesn’t stop as good as a newer bike though. I recommend brand new pads and rotors and bleed the systems

[@dwizzleusa4202]

Damn bro that's a nice cr250 my dream bike 1996 cr250 McGrath Supercross edition ya know.

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you so much! Just keep an eye out. You’ll find one

[@tommywallbanger]

Both both bikes are sweet. I'm a 2 stroke guy but just a free rider and don't race organized races. That was a sick track though. I'm not used to seeing quads air it out like that. You usually don't see jumps that high on those tracks. What state is that in? I'm not asking you to give up your spot just asking the state. NJ here.

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you so much! I’m in Nj as well. Yeah he really rips on the quad. I would t send that stuff 😂

[@smittysmith4828]

You stayed in the throttle more on the 450 than you did with the 250

[@motoblast3574]

Yes, because the engine braking helps slow me down quickly

[@guilhermeespanhol3976]

Great video man! Great comparison, but from someone who also have a CR250 96, from the sound of of it looks like it's choked of something and that might impact the lap time!

[@19Jharris]

Learning a 2 stroke should be what a man selects

[@spicymeatball07]

That 96 250 is sweet I have a 94 500 and a 2023 450 in some ways they are similar but both great bikes

[@motoblast3574]

That’s awesome! Thank you

[@jeffreykennedy5956]

Definitely a 4 stroke guy like the tourqe. Never got the 2stroke on the pipe.

[@motoblast3574]

I hear you onnthat

[@mvcvm6398]

Nice test. I live in Toms River. What town do you ride in?

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you. I mostly ride at raceway park in englishtown

[@michaelmays9292]

You can tell he grew up in the four stroke generation he favors his 4 stroke ,but if you think about it the 250 is giving up 200cc , so I'd say for only losing out on a couple seconds is pretty awesome not to mention the age difference in the 2 bikes

[@motoblast3574]

I grew up racing 2 strokes though.

[@Davido50]

Yes it's Inherent in the 2stroke engine design is why. 2 revolutions per firing etc. Once 4-stroke tech caught up the factories saw the writing on the wall. You work twice as hard to achieve a lower lap time on a 2stroke. Grew up racing 2strokes! I'm 49yrs old. Moved on many yrs ago. Still have 2 - RM 2-strokes (mid '00s).. but 2 - newer Yamaha 4-strokes .

[@andrewstanfill9305]

Wonder why the extreme enduro guys prefer 2 strokes?

[@johansmitphotography]

@@andrewstanfill9305 2 Strokes have more torque and low end grunt, wayyyy more stall resistant, has that pop to be able to double blip and hop onto rocks and stuff, and also a big reason is 2 strokes run cooler than 4 strokes... 4 strokes overheat in scenarios where you do very slow riding... So this basically sums up why 2 strokes are a decent bit better than 4 strokes for hard enduro... more on the stall resistance... I've had myself in a few scenarios where I really thought, for a millisecond, my bike stalled, and I pulled the clutch quickly, and the bike magically just kept crawling uphill. It's sometimes just surprises you how it kept running even at some load... Also a very minor thing, and this I'm not very sure about, but I've heard 4 stroke engines can't run at very very steep angles, otherwise the oil doesn't reach the engine as it should, like for long continuous wheelies, or steep mountain climbs. Where the 2 stroke has it's oil in it's fuel obviously. Not sure if this last thing is really true though. Something to think about I guess.

[@andrewstanfill9305]

@@johansmitphotography two strokes are just more fun and all the points you made certainly apply. Both require maintenance, it's easier on two strokes and costs less too. Good grief at the cost of four stroke engine bolt on goodies.

[@j-sammys5549]

Great video man. Which bike do you prefer just for straight up fun? I'm trading in my 250f for a 250 2T or a 450 just can't decide

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you! Honestly depends on the track. I’ll use the 450 for more fun in the sand just because It’s easier to get speed. On some good dirt, the 2 stroke is more fun

[@swedish_sadhguru3854]

Considering its from 1996, that is pretty good. If you would compare a race snowmobile from 2022 and 1996 the difference would probably be like 30 seconds......motocross was way ahead.

[@motoblast3574]

Ohh wow that’s a big difference

[@kevinmartin7354]

You were more tired after the 2 stroke because it takes more skill to ride at speed.

[@motoblast3574]

Right!

[@franciscolopez3229]

Very well said, it really take a lot more skill to ride a two stroke.

[@liverpudlian6205]

Great video it's got to be 2 stroke especially on the bends

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you!!

[@brandonlanghans3613]

On the cr250 did the newer forks fit the 96 triple clamps ? What all was involved

[@motoblast3574]

No, I installed the crf clamps and had to swap bearings

[@nocotton]

I always have to pull for the screaming 2 strokes. Nothing like them.

[@motoblast3574]

For sure!

[@ThefrutigerAeroGuy]

that 96 cr is awesome💨. I got a 92 kx250

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you! I love the 90s kawis

[@propacollector3499]

shouldint they both be 450s or 250s

[@MrSuperflydude]

That track is fuckin sweet man

[@motoblast3574]

It’s really fun! I love the sand

[@zackk695]

Well the time has come and I felt this might be a place to start. I just looked up 2 strokes for sale and I actually couldn’t find but two meanwhile there were an abundant of 4 strokes for sale. People just don’t want them and the time is now for the switch back to the true racing machines. I also watched a pro motocross race today and the stands were empty. No one is going to the races. I big factor is the lugging 4 stroke but there are some other issues I won’t get into right now. If Honda and the others are listening it is time to bring back the CR250. Brand new on the showroom floor and with the new style body yet with the best CR250 motor made. You don’t even have to over do it and the bikes will sell. I am saddened at what has happened to the sport. Motocross has a strong blue collar background with young men that were proud to be tough but those kids can’t even come close to buying s bike now at these prices. It’s destroying the sport. If I was Honda which made the best racing 250 ever I would make sure the people get what they want. The news would spread far and wide and Honda would not even be able to keep up with the sales and parts. Honda, give us the finest machine ever made back to us. We won’t let you down

[@arptv806]

i knew i saw this track before its Genusas!!!

[@motoblast3574]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@andrewcoskey3679]

Big vlog guy

[@motoblast3574]

😂😂😂😂

[@dylanpottery]

Look at this would ya look at that

[@dylanpottery]

Would ya just look at it

[@bdanielcal4608]

I rode a 2001 kx 250 for four years then got a new 2006 crf250r and it took me one day for me to be faster on track then the kx250 . The crf was easier to ride and I don't mean easy it just was better power across the whole rpm range less shifting and also there isn't a comparison between a kx and a Honda in the suspension and braking dept so that had a lot to do with being better on the Honda. My brother said I was gonna hate it cause it compared to a 125 2 stroke but I loved it to death compared to 2 strokes and yes I was that guy saying no way I'm getting a 4 stroke .

[@motoblast3574]

I’m just happy i can have both bikes. The new four strokes are amazing for sure.

[@Davido50]

Well said & 100% true. Us true MX lovers appreciate all types of dirtbikes! Fact Is modern 4-strokes are better. Tech has moved on .

[@livefreeandshred9818]

I'm 18 seconds into the 450 lap and I can tell you look considerably faster on it. I could be wrong. I have a 22 crf450 and an 06 yz250 and I'm curious to ride them back to back myself now

[@motoblast3574]

Yes, you’re right! I even felt faster while riding. You should do the test! I think the lap time would be closer if it wasn’t sand. The sand just eats up the horsepower

[@livefreeandshred9818]

@@motoblast3574 I’ll have to do it. Just did fresh suspension, full engine rebuild w a new lectron billetron 38 and new bearings. Would be a good comparison to my 22 w full Factory connection suspension

[@4touchdowns1game29]

Well I still don't get the logic behind comparing a 450 and a 250 two stroke. It's literally comparing two completely different displacements just because of an old ama rule. Literally no different than giving me a handicap in the 100 sprint and comparing me to Usain bolt.

[@4touchdowns1game29]

Also a modern four stroke especially shouldn't be compared to a bigger displacement four stroke. I'm sure the ama didn't think that 250cc four strokes would one day come stock with over 50 hp.

[@danielga9057]

2 Stroke 💪💪

[@gonzalomiranda9570]

Nice CR! I'm building my own that is also a 96. How or where can I get a PC pipe like yours? I'm not from the US so I only checked Pro Circuit page and they are out of stock :(

[@motoblast3574]

That’s awesome! Funny story about that pipe. I ordered from pc while they were out of stock. They said it would be up to 8 months. They called the next day and said they made a batch and it was ready to ship out. Just get on their waiting list.

[@gonzalomiranda9570]

@@motoblast3574 awesome! Which model is yours? Works? Because I cannot find other tan platinum for the 250 96. Thanks!

[@motoblast3574]

@@gonzalomiranda9570 mine is a works pipe. They will make a batch once the waiting list reaches 40 people

[@jasonmeyers5849]

@@motoblast3574 I ordered a new PC Platinum pipe for my 99 CR250R in Dec 2021, and I actually just called them yesterday 8/1/22, and still no ETA. He said they only make them in batches of 30, and they are currently up to 23 orders. I said cool, almost there! He said no, just because it reaches 30 orders, it doesn't mean they will immediately start making them since they produce the parts that have the highest demand. I would think they would go by what was ordered first, and I ordered mine Dec '21......come on, Pro Circuit. It looks like the FMF Fatty pipe has now become available, so I may just need to cancel the PC order and go with the FMF instead. Errr!

[@Chris-ec2gu]

Try James painton in the United Kingdom. I got a pipe from him last year for my 1995 cr 250

[@tomvanheeswijk5560]

I have a 1996 cr 250 , do the crf tripleclamps bolt on with no fabrication??

[@motoblast3574]

They do bolt right in, but you need to change the bearings on the stem

[@tomvanheeswijk5560]

@@motoblast3574 thank you ! Greets from the netherlands

[@Studdfromhell]

liked vid. I have 40 years of riding and still cant understand why do 4 stroke people compare a 250 2 stroke to a 450 4 stroke? and think their king. People need to compare cc to cc like 450r vrs 500 2t , 250 2t vrs 250 4t.

[@Studdfromhell]

4 strokes have always been easier to ride. nothing new.

[@anglegrinderlover994]

this is a really cool comparison but i think comparing bikes of the same years could be more accurate. i feel like a '22 yz250 would perform better than a '96 cr250. just opinions tho

[@motoblast3574]

I actually race my friends 2021 yz 250 and I didn’t feel as comfortable on it compared to the 1996

[@anglegrinderlover994]

@@motoblast3574 interesting

[@ppipowerclass]

I'd like to see a 2022 YZ250 against the 2022 4 stroke. Not really an apt comparison comparing an almost 30 year old bike against something brand new.

[@motoblast3574]

I actually raced my friends 2021 yz250 and I felt faster on my cr. I think I would just need to get more comfortable on the yz though.

[@carloshirales8589]

HAY WEEEEEEE

[@motoblast3574]

😅😅

[@kennyrichard2971]

Well this is what I get a kick out of everybody says that the four strokes smooth like a 125 two-stroke was 250s could be smooth with a little work People have gotten too soft today depending on computers settings fancy work to the front forks all the veterans in the 90s early 2000 didn’t have those luxuries and they were fast

[@motoblast3574]

It’s 90% rider for sure in every situation

[@EvanField6380]

The gas gas 300cc two stroke is fast I would like to see one compared to the 450 four stroke

[@motoblast3574]

That would be a good one

[@Teggy123]

Hey hey Moto! Would you ever sell your 2 stroke ?

[@motoblast3574]

Hey! Maybe for the right price, but I don’t plan on it

[@paulmryglod4802]

I have a 97 cr250 and 05 450. I am absolutely faster on the 05, but have more fun, and get more tired, on the 250. I grew up racing 2t except for my first and last bikes, an xr100 and the 05

[@jasonheinzmann2181]

30 years later people are still scared. You are an amazing rider and the power in the 4 stroke will be there but playing that clutch and gears is beautiful. I know a 500 would smoke anything if you ride it right. No hate at all. Racing and hill climbs I want a 2 stroke. 500 vs 450 they won’t do it.

[@jameseduardnicolas1385]

Of course 1996 cr250 two stroke... Nothing beats 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@motoblast3574]

I love that cr250. Rides so good

[@paulmryglod4802]

The 97 revs farther with the electronic carb. I had a 96 and still have my 97. The 96 is better overall.

[@lakedweller6572]

@@paulmryglod4802 The POWERJET carb! I always thought the 96 with a pipe was better than a 97...

[@paulmryglod4802]

@@lakedweller6572 I definitely liked the 96 chassis. My 97 with an fmf pipe pulled forever. I could skip shifts where others were shifting once more before a turn.

[@Stuntnsinda80s]

Vp110 is leaded or unleaded ?

[@motoblast3574]

I’m pretty sure it’s low lead

[@Chris-ec2gu]

It actually doesn't matter. Lead is a additive to lubricate 4 stroke valves. By mixing oil in gas for a 2 stroke it really doesn't matter

[@jeremycollins3408]

Love 1996 Cr 250r they rip✊

[@motoblast3574]

Hell yea

[@steve9412]

Yeah but, turning up to a party on that 96 is always gonna be way cooler than the CRF. 😅

[@motoblast3574]

Yes, for sure!

[@digitalplowboy2823]

The old Ellsinore red rooster

[@dennygamble4520]

Now do CR250 vs 250F

[@48ona2006]

your 2 miles from yard ,c you in etown

[@motoblast3574]

I’ll see you there!

[@mikestanly749]

RIDE RED

[@motoblast3574]

Of course!

[@ChaseN194]

cr250 was also one of the worst 250 2T on the market. Compare a ktm 250/300 vs the 450.

[@motoblast3574]

Ohh yea? That’s the opposite of what I hear from 99%. Always good to hear others opinions though 👍🏼

[@ChaseN194]

@@motoblast3574 Its not uncommon at all, Honda had several problems with reliability, power and frame structure during their 2T era, Kawi and Yamaha out built them in everyway during this time, which is ironics since on the road racing side of things, Honda at this time was insanely dominant. They became great at dirt in the 4T era, even the cr500 everyone raves about was vastly behind the times and underwhelming when compared to kawi's kx500 2t of that era. Edit: Yamaha is still improving their 2T's as is KTM and they both make arguably the best 2Ts of modern times. Kawi has recently become a contender in supermini's with the kx112, but it is sad to see no 125 from them.

[@jeremykirk1334]

Try a cr 500 it a beast

[@doca8792]

Two strokes all day

[@motoblast3574]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@carlacjyouknowmyname1756]

Not a fair test you ride the 4 stroke better that says leve it pined and change no clutch really don't let revs drop

[@charlesmayle3800]

Was born in the 1950s, try riding dirt bikes in the 1970s technology, ancient ! LOL

[@motoblast3574]

That’s awesome! I’ll have to take you up on that! Next project for sure

[@Davido50]

It's FACT the 4-strokes are faster around a race track! Hence why the sport has moved fwd. The 2-stroke holdouts should too! *Don't sell your Ole 2-strokes.. but do join the 4-stroke evolution w/all new bike purchases* .

[@motoblast3574]

Yes!

[@shawnrowland1293]

Put an af 250 against it.

[@motoblast3574]

That would be fun. I’ve owned a few before and honestly like this steel frame cr more lol

[@matt23727]

Steel is better. Aluminum is over rated. Why do all but one European manufacturers use steel still? Its better.

[@wtfftw24]

A modern 300 2strokes would easily beat the farter

[@deanarmstrong8165]

Try a 250 against a 250...pretty unfair cc advantage

[@motoblast3574]

Right, but that’s the class they are designed to race against.

[@jakestree1892]

Race gas is not necessary in a 2 stroke

[@dwizzleusa4202]

2 stokes just sound like racing bikes 4 stroke is sad

[@motoblast3574]

Yea pretty much

[@sludge86]

Duh, 450 is bigger. A 350/400 2stroke with a flywheel weight would be a better comparison

[@mihailacatusu8722]

Nici odată un cr de 250 nu se lasa batut ti a fost frica sa mergi cu cr la maxim ha ha ha

[@motoblast3574]

Thank you for watching

[@ronkay1573]

Get a CR 500 and be done. Sell everything else.

[@motoblast3574]

Not a bad idea

[@unclelennie150]

forks don't work i tried then had to go back to omc with mods