2022 KTM 250xcw tpi - 40hrs + issues resolved + Enduro engineer disc guard + I Like the bike again

[@TokyoOffroad]

Sorry to hear about the initial problems, but pleased to hear that you have it running better now. Regarding wheel bearings, typically if they are failing at low hours it's due to water ingress into the bearing, which then causes corrosion inside the bearing and premature failure. One easy mod is to remove the wheel and apply grease to the gap between the dust cover and bearing which will help seal out water. If changing the bearings consider replacing with an SKF kit which includes SKF dust seals which I think work a lot better than the OEM seals.

[@philwilliamson3370]

Anyone else read this reply in the Tokyo Offroad voice? :)

[@human1513]

I recall Noraly saying in the video her front wheel bearing was bad from all the water crossings.

[@LuckyNikitaBoba]

You’re a good story teller. Keep it up. You’re very talented . You should consider teaching people how to work on motorcycles with your videos. You have a good personality and you’re humble. I think you can be successful with this channel.

[@texas2strokes727]

My front wheel bearings felt loose too at 20hrs. Turns out the axle was just loose. Retightend good as new

[@hevechvy]

Bought 2 2022 KTM 300 xc-w's and both are great.

[@human1513]

TSP, Two Stroke Performance is also very good with their ECU maps and cylinder heads. They were the 1st in the world to make maps,... for TPI 2 stroke bikes. KTM dealers went to them for help. They have developed a full fulel injection system for YZ250's.

[@chrisbracken7889]

I bought the 2021 gas gas ec300. I couldn't believe I just bought a new close to $10,000.00 bike and I had to mod it to run right. Mine had a weak bottom end and would overheat too easily.

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

I’m in Australia and where I am they are almost same price. Gas gas 300EC vs ktm 300 exc (we don’t big range of bikes here compared to the US)

[@human1513]

I was looking at snowmobiles and they know to put the fuel injectors near the throttle, reed valves. TSP, Two Stroke performance is also very good with re-mapping and their cylinders also.

[@philwilliamson3370]

I did the idle mod to prevent the bike stalling with the clutch in but after hearing your thoughts I think in getting excess clutch drag also. I've never done an oil change where the oil isn't absolutely black. 5-10 hours intervals and it's always filthy! You mentioned you set your Belville spring to setting 1, what position was it in initially?

[@goodboyringo9716]

30 day warranty should tell us something.

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

Understatement. I’m looking at new 300exc but warranty and oil pump failures have made me hold off

[@nowisthewayforward6252]

Hi there, thanks for the content. I couldn’t help notice the TSP sticker on your bike, why not try the Aussie TSP computer and head combination they offer? My 21 tpi had all your issues and also a failed fuel pump, after the fuel pump got sorted this kit was an awesome addition. Look it up, you might like what you see. Just a heads up, don’t do the injector relocation, it dilutes the oil and will wear out your motor sooner unless you add a lot more oil to your fuel.

[@human1513]

I think I just came across the issues from a big KTM,... dealer that has won many, many motocross. dirtbike championships. Within 60 seconds he said he knew what the problem is because they have had many with my problem and yours with engine running. 1st is ask the dealer if Map 103 Extreme is installed on it (mine is a 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI, from the 1st shipment from Austria this year). I doubt mine has it. This is not a recall and many, most dealers will not install it they just get it started and deliver the new bike to the customer. Also dealers with a slow internet connection do not install any other ECU changes or they do not have the experience. He said this will fix it! 2nd was mentioned that for KTM to meet emissions they lowered the compression on the fuel injected bikes. So I need to install a higher compression head from TSP (Two Stroke Performance in Australia who has a distributor in Calgary, Alberta, Canada). WIth their head you send them your ECU and they remap it, send a screw with spring for the idle speed adjuster mod, and a new BPR8EIX TPI NGK Iridium Spark plug. $842 + tax CDN. $.. 3rd he mentioned about doing the injector relocating to the intake track. My dealer is checking tomorrow with the tech who looked at my bike to see what they have as History and to see if it has MAP 103 which I highly doubt. I got my bike before the other Maps where created. Map 101 was the 1st, then KTM produced MAP 102 but quickly withdrew it and produce MAP 103 Extreme which injects more oil and does other things. and fixes most if not all issues. I learned my dealer has many bikes with the poor running issue.

[@mikeguns8465]

Hello, who is the Canadian distributor? Thanks.

[@human1513]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH3WhaWlfblkrdU

[@thinkandrepent3175]

Thanks for the info, I was actually considering the orange brand... not anymore

[@barryhallsack8852]

Why are you not using the two stroke performance remap? Just curious I see the South Bay Motorsports and the two-stroke performance stickers on your bike.

[@sptnk87]

Hey, question for you. I bought the cycra handguards, same as yours but they came with mounts that clamp around the bar. It worked all good with my Beta 300 but have sold that bike and got a Ktm 150 sx with the aer forks. I have a hard time getting my pump to the schrader valve with that setup. Saw that you got the mounts that goes to the bar mount. Does that make more space for the top of the fork you think?

[@sptnk87]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 thanks buddy, will have a look and see if I can find them in Europe.

[@kevingallagher3]

Man brother, Dealers arent what they used to be. Hell, my front fender fell off in 3 hrs. Not exactly johnny on the spot.

[@Lou-xd9ef]

I had some annoying issues with mine too, freaking sensors again.

[@motoriderguy3854]

You should get tsp kit , med comp head .

[@uncletom1971]

And the problems you describe are specific for the two strokes? Or does this apply to the four strokes also?

[@painsrides]

Glad to hear its dialed in for you. 👍 30hrs for front wheel bearings, that's shocking! We're over here in the mud & crud of southern New England and most of us are getting a full season+ out of wheel bearings. I have at least 100hours on my fronts and they are still rock solid.

[@painsrides]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 I guess 30 hours isn't horrible, but usually KTM OEM bearings last way longer

[@jamesmannion231]

Hi, how many turns out did your air bypass screw screw end up at during this stage? (Before head, remap, injector relocation etc)

[@southeastAF]

What gearing are you using now? I'm not sure I like the stock 13-52.

[@williamnewton5402]

I'm still running the stock 13-52. I got into riding a lot more gnarly slow stuff and I think this gearing is pretty good for that. 2nd and 3rd gear is really luggable and I use them a a lot on single track as well. I know what you mean though, for a while I was thinking about changing my gearing. For regular riding, 1st gear is almost not even useable. But I just spent some more time with the 13/52 and it grew on me. I can still see some benefit to maybe a 13-50 if all you do is open / flowy / faster stuff. I have a 50 that I might try for the next hare scramble or traditional enduro. The hard enduro's - 13/52 all the way!

[@southeastAF]

@@williamnewton5402 nice. I’ve only taken it on one ride so far so I need more seat time to decide. I’ve heard a few people do 12-52 to help with the steep stuff. Definitely would like a 13-50 in a hare scramble.

[@williamnewton5402]

@@southeastAF nice, yea overall I'm pretty happy with the 13/52 for what I've been riding. I've got about 8 races in this year all over the place from Hare's, Traditional, and two Hard's. It did pretty well. I've been through the ringer with various issues on this bike - so let me know if you run into any problems. I likely have already run into to it

[@southeastAF]

@@williamnewton5402 cool will do! Definitely think I need to do the idle mod to bring the idle up a bit.

[@jorgelsanchez4388]

Nice work. What are the 3 different settings & how I can find them on the internet? Thanks in advance!!!

[@williamnewton5402]

for the clutch? it should all be in the owners manual for clutch maintenance / replacement section

[@jorgelsanchez4388]

@@williamnewton5402 Thanks man.That apply for older models? Like 03 to 07?

[@williamnewton5402]

@@jorgelsanchez4388 I'm honestly not sure, I'm only familiar with the 2019+ models. I know the older models had traditional springs in the clutch, while the newer bikes like mine have whats called a bellville spring. But its very possible you still have the same plate with different holes marked 1,2,3 (or abc or I, II, II).

[@jorgelsanchez4388]

@@williamnewton5402 I will keep that in mind when I get to point to tear the bike apart.Doing a rebuild on this older bike! Thanks again!

[@hardendurobosnia17]

I think your bearings are good, again whatever you touch without experience you can mess it up, tighten the axle more, and search for a fork algin video, possible that you messed it up putting the disc guard on, just like with the idle mod screw.. And did it stall in gear before you did the screw mod? Or

[@gary-ei8dd]

Wow Bill!!! With everything you've been through, I may have lost my mind with this level of bike. Would you mind sharing total hrs you've put in with it and an approximate amout of $$$ you wil have spent for you to be statisfied with your XCW?

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

I must admit I don’t want to have the new bike experience you got. For me it’s big deal to take to the dealership (nothing local ktm). I’ve had Honda 4 strokes new before and was thinking of a 300 exc tpi but I’m a little hesitant as you are not only person having niggles. I’m not that good mechanically so?…

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

Completely understand man. I've got a new ECU and maps coming which I hope clear up the last bit of running issues that I'm trying to eliminate. If that doesn't fix them, I'll likely be trading in for an Enduro 4t model

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

Thanks. Can’t wait to see the difference

[@davelariviere682]

My 2019 front wheel bearings lasted 26 hours and my rears were 34hours…. What the hell! I installed the standard KTM factory bearings you get from the dealer and they lasted till 118 hours. No balancing nothing special🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@heily-3806]

I guess what I don’t understand is you say it is now running “ buttery smooth” but yet you want to put an injector relocation kit and an aftermarket ECU? If it’s truly running buttery smooth what’s the point in this? Why bother? I guess one advantage to the aftermarket ECU would be more oil but I see no reason for the injector relocation if it’s running well 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

It’s for better power and engine characteristics. It gives the air fuel mix more time to do whatever the science is and helps. The bike is good he just wants it even better and that’s why

[@human1513]

Now this is enduro adventure riding. Noraly from the Netherlands travels all over the world on her own. She is now discovering Equador until spring up here begins so she can rider her Honda CRF300 to Alaska. She names her bikes and this one matches her Arai provided helmet (she had it painted) which she also named Alaska. She has been to the tip of S. America, ridden all over Africa,.... She is always so calm. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnTWqmiFZ7SteKc

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

I have the crf300 (sold 8000km later as it didn’t like going off road unless I was going slow but I liked it on the road 154kmh top speed) and it has nothing in common with this bike. The crf300 is really a road bike and would need big $$ to get it for enduro lol and even then will never come close. The ktm250 & 300XCW range is 1. over double the price and 2. 2stoke not 4stroke 3. I have the crf300la and honestly it’s not a good bike off road at speed (I liked the crf300 for doing road miles but I’d say it borders on dangerously unsafe.

[@uncletom1971]

Where are KTM assembled?

[@sixdays_26]

Austria

[@uncletom1971]

I see, also the motor is made in Austria?

[@sixdays_26]

@@uncletom1971 KTM Officialy Made In Austria that is all motocross and enduro models..

[@uncletom1971]

Ok. I was thinking maybe the motors were made in China, which could explain certain quality flaws. Not that it matters much these days, it's still up to the quality checks at the factory, Austria just as in China. I'm also new to the sport, got myself a 2020 KLX230, and I recently made a crazy impulsive buy of a 2021 KTM EXC-F 350 which I've only ridden about 1 hour from the dealer to my home =D , orange bike like yours, but four stroke engine.

[@sixdays_26]

@@uncletom1971 I don't know why KTM quality is poor unlike the time it was very popular and built like a tank, but now this.. Mine is KTM SX250 2019 2 stroke no issues at all, well maintained after riding, keep on checking all parts before and after riding.. Last a few months ago bought my uncle a GPX KTM SX replica 250 2 stroke, me and my uncle assembling together but some parts like carb change to Lectron carb, bolts, plastic kits to Polisport,racing clutch plates, Enkei racing chain and oil forks need to be change some using KTM parts, now its all good running with no issues,my uncle loves it very much,from 10 grands of price i saved up to 5 grands amount of pocket money..

[@human1513]

Thanx for the video. Glad you got your working. Seems KTM is happy to sell many "bad bikes" and give no help. Seems everyone with a bad bike has to spend $$$ to fix theirs. Atfer about 4 years with 2 strokes with fuel injection that KTM would be smarter and able to build qulaity bikes. Outboard motors have had fuel injected 2 strokes for years. I cannot and do not recommend KTM to anyone that asks.

[@thinkandrepent3175]

I'm never going to buy a KTM. This attitude of well it's a great bike you just need to rebuild everything is pure trash. They expect people to fork over a down payment on a house, then laugh it off like it's a joke that the bike doesnt work and not even help you when you take it to the dealership.

[@Hanibul_Lecktor]

This isn't normal for KTM, the amount of happy customers far outweigh the extremely low bad bikes built.

[@human1513]

@@Hanibul_Lecktor A lot of people change things on the 2 strokes to get them to run properly. I never had to do that with any Yamahas I have owned.

[@human1513]

@@Hanibul_Lecktor I know of a few dealers that KTM bought the bike back from the customer. These negative things are rarely ever spoken about though. In reality when so many of any product is made there will be bad ones produced. This includes motorcylces, cars, toasters, Tv's, cellphones, dishwashers,...

[@Hanibul_Lecktor]

@@human1513 I'm 50yrs old, Yamaha had glass transmission back in my day so please.4 stroke issues the list is crazy long for Yamaha. Also everybody has a chance to ride there bike or listen to it at most dealers. We own a 21 TE250i and a 22 FX450, everyone I ride with owns a variant of some sorts. My son's Te250i ran beautiful when new, 4hrs in the CCPS went bad. I understand EPA and Emission standards so I also know why we have to do an Idle screw mod on the TPI. Kinda like when a car manufacturer tells you 0w-20 is the recommended oil vs 5w-30 in reality is what you'll be using once enough engines get destroyed. EPA and Emission agency absolutely destroy vehicles. Ask a Hellcat owner if they follow factory recommended oil lol. Mustang G3 still using 5w-20, sorry about your typewriter tick. Hell the 21 Mustang still comes with a 5w-20 oil filler cap yet the TSB Ford sent out early 2020 is telling all dealers to switch all Coyote based engine vehicles to 5w-30 as per RTR recommendation. Roush has been doing this since day one on any of their vehicles. Ford knew this was coming hence 22 Mustang lost 10hp, why ? Oil viscosity changed. Once you've been around and do the rrsearch, it's a bit easier to understand. These issues don't exist on the Carb bikes, why ? Nothing to do with quality control etc. It's sad to see people not thinking for themselves and just making blanket statements. Like Tokyo Offroad's channel made CCPS mod to eliminate the issue. It doesn't, the issue is oil vapor going into the sensor and killing it. Needs to be a canister with baffling to only allow pressure to be seen. Husqvarna used an already existing sensor from the automotive world and made it work. Yeah it's shitty but once you understand what's up. Drop a $10 R/C nitro car fuel filter in between the ceank and sensor. Boom, it now becomes a service item. No need to mod the tray, put some grease around the o-ring and your sensor will live a long and happy life.

[@human1513]

This site will not let me type anything now if it inlcudes the name of your bike. Not even if it is a positive post. Sensorship is alive.

[@human1513]

I unfortunately bought one of these pieces of crap. 2022 ktm 300 xc tpi The dealers cannot fix it and KTM will not cover anything under warranty even though it ran like shit from the 1st day. I will never buy a KTM again. I was warned I would regret it.

[@mickshepherd9329]

After 3 KTMs and much time spent on the tools so i could go for a braaap the next day;i decided to buy a Yami WR 250F.Now i just ride and the spanners stay in the shed.Orange crap.Just saying!

[@human1513]

@@mickshepherd9329 At 7 hours of trail riding it grenaded the motor. KTM only covered the parts: piston, cylinder and crankshaft. Not labour. I have not even started it since I got it back. Weather is still snow winter. I am also thinking about the Yamaha WR 250F. Do not know if any are avaiable. Dealers, more a couple tell me KTM has had and is having alot of trouble with their bikes.Still, as they never were considered reliable.

[@danhopkinson2811]

KTM dealer service is disgusting. "mechanics" telling you clutch drag and ccps issues are "characteristics of the bike"

[@billb5029]

Wow any new 10,000 bike that you have to sort out with expensive parts.. what a POS

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

$20,000+ (AUD) ktm 2022 erzberg 300 in Australia, Victoria. I wish it converted to $10,000 USD lol

[@adventureswithkatem]

Nice bike! To bad about your problems, great vid!