2023 China Bowling Tour TV Finals Spinner style VS Hook style

[@youtoobe169]

Interesting. Never seen the spinner style before.

[@4G64SicKShoT]

I like how the spinner is wiping his ball off like its going to do anything, and you know damn well his oil track is one small circle. Also no point in them buying anything other than a spareball, might as well use urethane to push oil around for your opponent

[@bobsmith-y3j]

I doubt you could pay him to hit the same target 2 times in a row.

[@mpup54]

@@bobsmith-y3j that to me seemed like the bigger problem. If he could throw it over the same spot repeatedly he would probably have won this, but he was all over both sides of the head pin and through the nose. Its pot luck with no accuracy, you must have that with any style of bowling. Oddly, he was deadly accurate on spares though.

[@Bassmaster1256]

My gawd, those pins are NASTY!

[@bobsmith-y3j]

IKR?? They look like they have about 20,000 games on them. Yikes!!

[@B4S300]

As I know, the pins use only 3 years from another center.

[@Bassmaster1256]

We use to get rid of our pins after 18 months of use.@@B4S300

[@natrixxvision6997]

The spinner style is closer to how I bowled last weekend. The problem is, I wasn't trying to bowl spinner style.

[@B4S300]

Over turn?

[@natrixxvision6997]

@@B4S300 All side spin, no hook.

[@natrixxvision6997]

@@B4S300 And also, no accuracy.

[@B4S300]

@@natrixxvision6997 I think your local proshop can help you to make it right😉

[@bobsmith-y3j]

Haha! Well, on some extreme conditions, a spinner might serve you well! Don Johnson had a pretty good career throwing a spinner.

[@Zurround]

Hook style has to be superior. All the best players do it. I never saw any world class bowler using SPINNER style over hook.

[@hafeezuddindaud]

hook is king ,the real of bowling

[@GeorgeEndahl]

Spinner is not getting the carry that the hook bowler is getting. But, both are excellent spare shooters.

[@B4S300]

I agree, spare is very important. By the way, there are many tournaments in China that benefit spinner bowlers. Hook bowlers can't bowl well on those patterns.🤷🏻‍♂️

[@bobsmith-y3j]

Which is a bit surprising. Generally a spinner helps keep the pins sideways and has pretty good carry. Keep the pins LOW!

[@keyser456]

@@B4S300 In the US, nearly all people who hook the ball can and do "flatten out" their curve/hook to aim for spares with a straighter shot. I suspect China bowlers will eventually get there.

[@rogerowensby3093]

The left hander has a nice game. He would be hard to beat

[@B4S300]

Agree

[@bobsmith-y3j]

Dayum! How do you drill a ball for that kind of release!? Under the palm?

[@B4S300]

Usually, most spinners will put the CG in the middle of the palm, and they all use conventional drilling.

[@mpup54]

@@B4S300 what weight ball is he throwing? it looks pretty light

[@grassbowler]

Nice bowlig🎉

[@Nickecho7979]

Please, god, don't let this SPINNER thing go viral.

[@B4S300]

Don't worry because they are hard carry-on sanction tournaments. Usually they use 11lb balls

[@mythoughtsarefreedom]

Too late

[@mpup54]

Spinners have been around for ages, way before resin equipment was even made

[@h34dbust]

It's really perplexing to read harsh comments about this spinner style from the U.S citizens. One of the comments said those top spinner style bowlers in Asia will average 160 - 170 if they come to compete in 'proper' oil conditions in U.S. I will admit, due to advancement of ball technology, the superior style will be hook. Anytime they can average more than 240+ even in hard condition as shown in PBA Tour, & the upper limit for spinners in the long run is 220+. I've seen one Taiwanese spinner bowler, averaging 230+ on hard condition, when he & I competed in Philippines many years ago. But, to simply dismiss the spinner style is simply pure ignorance. The top spinner bowlers did compete in World Championships hosted in U.S, & won gold medals there. No, the World Championships weren't bowled on 'easy' condition. It's kinda funny though that the more open minded bowlers about the spinner styles are those elite U.S & PBA bowlers who saw 1st hand. It's the same with 2 handed style bowling when it 1st became mainstream. Majority of the elites were accepting, but the scorns came from the average bowlers.

[@keyser456]

You're dismissing the idea many of us started as children with very unorthodox conventions like the "spinner" and others. The back-up ball is another example. From a physics standpoint you're missing the drive of a ball pushing through the pocket without the ball curving/hooking into it, so you're just smacking the pocket at best. "No drive, no five" -- we all learned that from experience. There's a reason 2-handed bowling is taking off, because you get even more revs and even more drive, typically resulting in more pin action and higher scores.

[@FEETLE]

very interesting technique, but it lack consistency

[@B4S300]

I agree

[@jeffs7773]

The whole spinner shot thing is for the birds. I thought they were supposed to hit the right side of the head pin so all the other pins kinda just fall to the left. That guy was all over the place. A guy in my league throws kinda like that. Slams the ball down at the foul line and just tries to hit the head pin as hard as possible. He’s inconsistent too

[@B4S300]

As i know, their pocket also on 1-3. There are two spinner styles forward and back, depending on the spinner bowler to get rid of fingers or thumb at the last .

[@mreid08]

And the funny thing is the Japanese figured out how to strike every time and exactly how to go through the pins, spinning the ball doesn't have the angle needed

[@bobsmith-y3j]

Its really not a style. Its more like....throw it straight down the middle and hope. He lacked all fundamentals of the game

[@benjaminchang1382]

第一場的選手打的球路只是 curve 根本離 hook 差遠了

[@junmiao5367]

应该是滚动和滑动的差别,米老师的球只有滚动,没有自转(也就是滑动),只有球速足够快,足以客服摩擦系数,球才能转起来,形成自转,获得足够的角动量

[@benjaminchang1382]

@@junmiao5367 一般比賽很少看到大曲球 hook 的球路幾乎都是小曲球 curve 小曲球曲度有大有小而已不是彎大一點就叫大曲球 沒有相當的自轉轉速(大概至少 10轉)打不出最基本的大曲(當然還和自轉角度有關)其中的關鍵就是大拇指脫離的 timing 單手打大曲的門檻就是這裡難學才偷吃步打雙手曲 供參考

[@markkillset5205]

Spinner style??? Is that what we are calling it now when someone doesn't know how to properly throw a bowling ball?

[@Sparemethestrike]

It’s a scene mainly in the asian bowling community. Not large but there are people who average 220+ with the style.

[@markkillset5205]

@@Sparemethestrike Come to the U.S. and you wouldn't average 160 with that style...lol the difficult oil patterns from leagues, to ABT and the PBA would leave you with splits all day long using that style. Scientifically throwing todays bowling balls with symmetrical and Asymmetrical weight blocks renders the design of that ball "useless" by throwing it like that.

[@Sparemethestrike]

@@markkillset5205 it’s a 12 (i think) pound pancake weighted ball. Brunsnick did a series on it if im not mistaken. The thing I love about bowling is how abstract you can be and still have it work. It might not be ideal, but shit, they made it to championship finals against “normal” throwing players, so it obviously works to a degree

[@markkillset5205]

@@Sparemethestrike A championship in "china" where bowling isn't as popular and the guy who he bowled against "barely" threw the ball the correct way himself. He had a ton of hand gear on AND bowled left handed which is an advantage on top of it. Also if it was a 12 pound ball that would be even worse! serious bowlers know anything below a 13lb ball that your ball starts to bounce around after hitting the pins and loses the driving force. 13lbs-16lbs is what pros use. Yes, there are more than one style that works like "Belmo" style. But if you look at the rotations on his throws you will see without a doubt how he uses the balls design to his advantage and maximizes the force in his drive. "Spinning" the ball does absolutely nothing, he would have better luck just learning to throw a 1950's -60's straight ball.

[@michaeltovrea7947]

​@markkillset5205 It takes the oil pattern out of play entirely.

[@jaredrogers7863]

clearly china treats bowling like its some kind of privilege, not much competition despite a ton of people.

[@HogLife]

This really made KZbin?

[@RapIsDeadly]

The spinner guy never learned how to bowl. I used to see kids throw that way when I was 8. Plus he's got the wrong angle...either a split, leave the 5, or a tight lucky strike. He's just throwing down the middle and hoping for the best. He might as well stand on the very right and shoot for the 1-3 pocket.

[@B4S300]

It looks like lucky, but they have their way to bowl. I will respect all kinds of bowling styles that can be made in the TV final . Because it wasn't only lucky to get there🙏🏻

[@stupendous1068]

The commentary sounds weird.

[@jasonbaugh9832]

What do they win? A cup of noodles?

[@B4S300]

😅 Total ¥80,000RMB, spinner group & hook group champion can get ¥18,000 each, also bouns round ¥6,000 for spinmer style vs hook style winner.

[@benjaminchang1382]

男子需戴鐵手就不會是高手啦

[@MA-zq9fx]

別眼紅

[@benjaminchang1382]

@@MA-zq9fx 不知好歹就繼續戴啊

[@B4S300]

去打赢他再說吧😅

[@benjaminchang1382]

@@B4S300 膚淺 無知

[@B4S300]

@@benjaminchang1382 😆

[@ilovetoysto1]

this person in the red just throws down the middle what happens happens very little skill used. If he wins its very high percentage of luck. If this person bowled against me an won i would Quit bowling forever.

[@B4S300]

Repeat shot is most important, never say never in bowling.

[@mpup54]

he accepts the challenge against your bowling career

[@benjaminchang1382]

飛碟球選手的穩定度也太差了只有 50%

[@feat132]

could the pins be anymore disgusting lol

[@brandoncrittenden3939]

What the hell

[@jaredrogers7863]

lmfao, both of these bowlers are total trash, you could go down to almost any young adults league and pull 5 or 6 better bowlers than this out.

[@B4S300]

Bowling is game by game. Never say never🙏🏻

[@mikerichardson60]

That spinner bowler bowls like every 6yr old girl I've seen. I guess he thinks throwing 2 balls per frame is advantageous? His odds of striking are very low.

[@B4S300]

He was low scoring on the final, but he bowled 24X to beat a hook bowler to get into it.

[@mikerichardson60]

@@B4S300 that's obviously a house pattern then...there's zero chance he bowls 240 plus on a professionally oiled lane

[@B4S300]

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[@roccominino3923]

We don't need to see the Chinese bowling. It's disgusting.

[@ayishfarrish7645]

Whenever i see spinner bowlers 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@hershfelder1]

Paper tags on their shirts, dirty pins, and a spinner.