2023 Honda Civic Type R Dyno Results | Hondata FL5 Baseline

[@Theanhdy]

Purchased yesterday and redlined today, nice!

[@HondataInc]

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[@fzr1000981]

Easy breakin doesn't work, after 40 years and over 40 engines, I know

[@cielo20]

@@fzr1000981 easy breakin will get you a lazy engine , tried and tested

[@fzr1000981]

@@cielo20 it will also tend to use oil

[@alexisverduzco646]

It's a honda bro what did you expect 😅🤣

[@joeburgess2464]

2 and half minute video. Little preamble then gets right to running it on the dyno and then results. This is a great video. I'm so glad I didn't have to forward fast because someone wants to tell me the whole history of Honda and the Civic line. On this day, you've earned 1 more subscriber.

[@HondataInc]

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[@Handcannon77]

Definitely a solid improvement over the last generation, and its likely going to be a great platform for tuning and modding but..youre probably going to be looking at 50k-60k for one since dealers are for sure marking them up and paying that much for one is crazy, competition is pretty stiff in the 50k-60k sport sedan category. Especially when I know I can get something like a 2022 s5 sportback for around the 50k+ mark, and a m340i for only slightly more than that which both even stock already have 50-70hp on a CTR, better transmissions, better handling. Not to mention theres plenty of good tuning options readily available for those platforms already, and you can be putting 400hp+ down to the tires with nothing but a base tune. I really cant see anyone but huge Honda enthusiasts willing to pay the markup that dealers are asking for this car, theres just too many superior options in that price range.

[@Buggabones]

10hp isnt solid. This car is going to do horribly. You're right, the price does not match the performance. Iv never seen a newer type R around here, and for good reason. So many more better options. Even if you hit 400whp through mods, you're breaking warranty on a 50k car. Prob the dumbest thing you can do when you can buy any 8th or 9th gen and put 10k into fbo/tune/turbo kit and make over 500whp.

[@MTLJack]

all Honda fan boys already bought the previous civic type R (2017-2020) thinkin it was a limited edition. Dont get me wrong but i love hondas. I owned only hondas until my recent Golf R 2019. Also, interest rates on new cars are crazy nuts right now so most people buying these would pay the full amount in cash. You gotta find a buyer that loves honda enough , with 50-60k$ liquid cash for a Honda (or at least half). Good luck in 2022-2023 … if you have that sort of money, you would rather get a RS3 , entry level Porsche and the list goes on.

[@tizodd6]

Handcannon77: I agree 100%, but you last sentence sums up what will happen. Honda lovers will pay. Period. And dealerships know this. Even though buyers can get more and better for less...people will buy it because it's a Type-R.

[@Venomousrl]

a bmw over a honda? enjoy...

[@Handcannon77]

@@Venomousrl Of course...? Youd have to be a delusional Honda stan of the highest order to think this Civic type R is the better choice over the new m340i, its an incredibly good and fun car for the price. If youd simply prefer the civic thats fine, but the m340i is objectively a far better car. And im not even the biggest BMW guy, id probably choose an Audi over everything else.

[@TheAutoDistrict]

So pumped for this car, that's solid! Can't wait to see how it does with flex fuel.

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[@dopeloyal]

yezzir

[@Soul_Flow_]

, and you can afford to buy that car? why excited?

[@TheAutoDistrict]

@@Soul_Flow_ Yes. I live in Canada. I get it for MSRP, I was quoted $52,130 CAD ($39,214 USD).

[@dopeloyal]

@@TheAutoDistrict wtf here in usa its 80k

[@BrycenKauai]

Whats really insane is that its making 40 more lbft of torque at 2500rpm!!!!

[@cielo20]

what is so insane about that? my first gen fk2 of this engine with just bolt ons did 504nm @3200 and they changed the turbo on fk2 and now a more hybrid one on this one so nothing insane about it .honda are too conservative , this engine easily could have done 370bhp from factory with just a different map.

[@BrycenKauai]

@@cielo20 Its "insane" because from the outside the engine is almost identical and yet it both spools 700rpm sooner and makes significantly more area under the curve throughout the whole rev range. All modern engine tunes are conservative. OEMs do that because one engine map needs to be able to make that at 40C in California on piss gas or at -10C in Norway.

[@cielo20]

@@BrycenKauai in fact on piss gas and at 40c in europe from factory they already make more than they do in us from factory . its just the map , The power it foes low end is from a better turbo that spools faster

[@miscusername]

@@cielo20 octane ratings are different in Europe. US "premium" fuel equates roughly to entry level in Europe. That's why they can map it a little hotter there. We don't get the lower rated stuff like you can get in the US.

[@BigBadBillyGATEZ]

@@cielo20 it's not how the legally works with imports

[@jeffsloane8628]

Love your approach to making these videos. Before and after dyno, explanation of power delivery, future expectations and anticipated limitations. The video work is quite good as well.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Good point there. That is one of the portions of this video that I enjoyed.

[@nighthawk0077]

huh? There was no before and after, explanations of any kind, or future expectations other than they are looking forward to working on it.

[@jake2772]

Can’t wait to see stealerships mark these up to 60k 😂😂😂

[@ribbles1699]

At least one sticker has been posted on Reddit. $73k 😁 Disappointing, but not surprising.

[@jake2772]

@@ribbles1699 and some idiot will buy it, there’s always a sucker to be made The car industry has proven that well recently.

[@alien_raider464]

Oh trust me, we are not dumb. I’m only purchasing a car from they website not a dealership.

[@jake2772]

@Michael Gray even 45k is crazy, so many better used cars at that price range. 340i c43 amg s4 c7 Vettes etc

[@ribbles1699]

@Michael Gray dealers almost never include the markup in ads. If you call they'll tell you it's $60k+.

[@ArthurSperotto]

So happy to see Hondata is still going at it!! I'm proud to run an S300 on my drag '98 Civic.

[@Pinkarmada01]

hell yea, got my s300 v3 in my b swapped del sol over a year ago and ive been in love sense, such a great piece of tech still to this day!

[@HondataInc]

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[@thefoatmedia]

Thanks for letting us drive it!

[@HondataInc]

Any time!

[@caseyrenner2061]

@hondata love your products and everything you guys do. You single handedly are responsible for every fast honda

[@fernank017]

c'mon. Single handedly? That's pretty disrespectful to other tuners.

[@HOTPLATEGAMING]

No they are not

[@wayner8088]

Can’t wait to see this car tuned!!!

[@HondataInc]

Us to we are working on it right now. stay tuned.

[@jesseperrella]

Honda just keeps impressing us, and Hondata of course ;)

[@TheKingkingg]

Awesome guys, keep up great work some day I hope to use your product in my 2020 2.0T Acura RDX and my 2020 2.0T Accord

[@BuckingBuffBuck]

cant wait to watch you guys tune this car!

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[@D_WittaK24]

Been waiting for this

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[@ALVARADOx805]

Yup didn't even know HonData had a YT channel, subbed 💪🏽

[@tonytbird9457]

Can’t wait to see what more power you can get out of these

[@Trappedinnewyork]

Same as the fk8 same motor different stock tune

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[@tony4431]

@@Trappedinnewyork different turbo, they made changes to the turbo

[@Ace20001216]

@@tony4431 what difference does it make when your gonna switch the OEM turbo to an aftermarket bigger turbo anyway? Basically a redesigned FK8. Same power same tuning capabilities.

[@tony4431]

@@Ace20001216 There's plenty of people who don't change their turbo, could be beneficial to those who don't. Everyone has a different goal. This newly improved turbo could be the difference between the 10th gen SI vs 10th gen 1.5T engine. They put the CRV Turbo on the 10th Gen SI and it easily made 201 HP vs the 180 HP in the regular 1.5T. Just a good tune on the SI made a huge difference on it. So with a better designed turbo with just a tune I can see the FL5 doing great without having to upgrade turbo

[@MR2wydbdy]

Keep up the good work Doug. It's been a while since I've talked to you since you did my crz tune for the jrsc cvt model.

[@Grimesitty]

Did the tune on a CVT make a different? I have a Honda Fit EX-L CVT I wouldn’t mind to have it tuned

[@MR2wydbdy]

@@Grimesitty it was supercharged and didn't tune the cvt transmission itself just motor and yeah it was super fun

[@dougmacmillan7613]

Your supercharged CRX was a fast car. It out accelerated our 2012 Civic Si!

[@CypressRacing]

Wow fantastic car. Truly one of last of the great JDMs.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

Really? This would be the first great JDM. The other ones are old.

[@robertburton8055]

Type R Civics are soooooo damn impressive. It’s criminal that Honda hasn’t made an AWD one

[@xavcore]

more weight is not more efficient.✌🏽

[@robertburton8055]

@@xavcore neither is power if it’s spinning

[@xavcore]

@@robertburton8055 in the 90 with 160hp honda was ilegal in USA and still fun. The point is to be fun not to be fear. 🥴

[@cielo20]

also make some sort of fast auto gearbox would be nice

[@robertburton8055]

@@christianponicki9581 my AWD automatic Golf will rape the Type R in anything other than perfect dry weather. Adding tech that makes the power more useful isn’t ruining anything…. And I’d have to make the assumption you’ve never driven a 300hp front wheel drive car…. (They’re never as good as they could be with AWD)

[@partS15partS14]

So hyped can't wait to see the massive markups on these cars!!! Love to waste money

[@HondataInc]

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[@PWCDN]

this looks damn near perfect compared to the last gen.

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[@cielo20]

thats what everyone say until the next gen is out

[@4Kandlez]

@@cielo20 The next gen will be hybrid, this will be the last ice type r

[@cielo20]

@@4Kandlez they will still say its the best type r wait and see , its marketing you cannot sell what you are not producing any more so you have to advertise what you are producing so you will sell :)

[@PWCDN]

@@cielo20 not really, last gen was hideous compared to the previous, same for the Accord. But you believe what you want to. Honda always goes through 5 years of horrible design, then correct themselves for another 5. Been like that since 1998.

[@jayboOgZ55]

Damn hearing that vtec & turbo sounds amazing

[@HondataInc]

Yes we love how it sounds, thank you for watching our videos.

[@The_Noticer.]

Impressive you can hear the VTEC crossover when it doesn't have any VTEC on the induction side, and the exhaust is muted by the Turbo and Kat. TBH, and this is probably due to several reasons Honda can't prevent, it sounds like a lawnmower.

[@Kowalskithegreat]

Doesn't have real vtec, nothing has for a long time. If it doesn't have 3 lobes on the cam it ain't a real honda

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

@@Kowalskithegreat last real Honda was the s2000..... Mr. Hondas retirement gift.....

[@lexusvip4003]

I'll stay with my 300 awhp, FBO Infiniti G35xS (VQHR) that's still not tuned... at least it's payed off though, with a new waterpump & gallery gaskets at 130k miles so its got another 100k left, easily... I ran with a newer Honda the other day to 120mph, it was on some expensive wheels & obviously had work done to it. He did have a passenger though. Was with me neck & neck... the best race I've had so far. & I've raced plenty of old (2012) mustangs, camaros, boosted 90's civics, scat packs, wrx's, etc at red lights etc, and easily won These new Hondas are some seriously quick cars. Especially when you compare the MPG we are getting... (I average 14mpg, with the way I drive over a 5000mi period. A Honda driver with a similar foot is still getting 20+ something miles a gallon and smiling every minute of it... this will probably be my next car, once I wear mine out in about 5 years. I flipped a modded k24z3 Honda Accord my senior year of highschool going around 100mph... they are some solid cars too. It was a 2008, & for the amount of damage the car received, I was perfectly fine.... I love these Hondas, & to be honest. I never see my self buying anything other than Japanese cars. (I've owned a few LS400's also. Some of the best cars ever made.)

[@HondataInc]

Sounds like a fun build, Thank you for the response and watching our video.

[@AlphaDigitalFK8]

For anyone questioning why the dyno numbers are high, heres the reasoning from Hondata themselves. Just for clarification purposes. Looking forward to seeing their work on the FL5 platform. "The short answer is look at the gain not the actual numbers. It is our dynopak, which is a hub dyno, and it is pretty well known that it reads higher than most dynos. As far as what the factory rating goes, it is hard to say what the engine makes at the flywheel. There's several factors I can see. First, looking inside the ECU it always has limits operation (maximum EGTs, maximum pressure ratios, maximum turbine speeds) so never reaches the maximums of the factory tables. But after putting 3 stock FK8s on the same dyno they all read within 1 hp. The other thing is that Honda can underrate an engine at will. With the AP1 S2000 they were rated at 240 hp and dynod at about 210-215. When the AP2 came out they were rated at 240 hp and dynod at 230+ hp. We've done comparisons with dynojets and you can more or less apply a 7% correction to reach dynojet numbers. But it is more complex than that, because on a roller dyno much depends on the tire and if we plot the same car on the dynopak and dynojet then in the mid range the dynojet reads higher than the dynopak. Also on a roller dyno with some tires you can see the tire grow right about 100 mph, which increases the tire loss a fair bit. The hub dyno is far better for tuning than a roller dyno. No tires loss. More repeatable. Ramp rate can be configured. By way of comparison, the 8th 9th and 10 gen Civic Si were all rated by the factory at 200-205 hp. On our dyno, their peak power was measured between 200 and 204 hp." Link: www.civicx.com/forum/threads/flashpro-for-ctr-tuning-results.22471/page-2

[@chrismathes3647]

That's why this video is just click bait for the most part. Great added torque... But people who don't understand the difference between dynos are now saying that this car has been released and it's under rated from the factory. Lmao 🤣 internet BS

[@Snafu2346]

I'm still rockin a Hondata 2B on my 99 EM1 SI. I don't even know what the red button does anymore. I don't drive the car much and I can't find a manual and nobody even knows what a Hondata 2B is on most of the chat forums.....

[@fzr1000981]

327 whp is pretty good, I just picked up a '23 RS3 which dynos just over 400 whp

[@mattyoz0]

400 my ass.

[@GERONIMO326]

That would be a good race considering the RS3 is right at 3700 lbs and loses 15% of the power through the awd power train. From a stand still obviously the awd, automatic would eat it for breakfast, but from a roll, it would be interesting..

[@fzr1000981]

Actually Audi, like BMW, tends to underrate their motors and the new RS3 makes a true 400+ to the wheels on 93 pump (dyno verified). On race gas or E85 it's a very easy path to 550 (downpipe and flash). The Type R is nowhere near that with tuning

[@fzr1000981]

I'm not not knocking the Type R, it's just not worth 60k. For 40k it makes sense and good performance value

[@mattyoz0]

@@fzr1000981 bs. That's over 500hp at the crank. Stop watching KZbin click bait dyno videos.

[@ravenheart369]

Special thanks for this informative video. I drove FK8 Type R and I didn't like the engine characteristics and seeing the Torque graph clearly explains it

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[@TheFK8Life]

you mean the turbo characteristics - the small turbo comes on strong and dies off early like most stock 2L turbo cars except this has much better top end stock to stock. Once you swap the turbo out the car becomes an entirely different car

[@murrynathan]

Yes, please!

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[@zone47]

This video answered my question: Is Honda's horsepower and torque ratings wheel or crankshaft power? It looks like Honda pads the official numbers a bit and it's whp which is great! I can't wait to see how much headroom this engine has with a good tune, intake and exhaust. Thanks for a good and informative video!

[@eastcoastrifraf]

Thanks for the non-click bait short simple video.

[@HondataInc]

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[@rookietoprobuildz]

I’m impressed with the baseline numbers.

[@madmugen888]

First to like and comment - cool Looks like more better response down low with more more torque arriving earlier, some more top end to - Go FL5!

[@downundercartel5833]

I hope you guys can incorporate a no-lift shift feature to the Hondata, just like Cobb has done with there FFS.

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[@GevXander]

Thank you hondata

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[@patrickburnett9970]

can’t wait to tune mine!

[@TheFK8Life]

Thanks for the vid - useable data

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[@dadymadass]

Going tomorrow to make my dream come true 😁 ( Spain BCN)

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[@stubbingtonmarigold3032]

More torque than I expected, I would like to see it on a rolling dyno and real world acceleration to see how well it can put it down... remember when cars couldn’t put down more than 260 front whp very well...

[@copperkeyracing6167]

You mean a stock speed3? Same weight as CTR, but 260whp without the dealer option, 280whp with the dealer option.

[@tomydespins2315]

I rolling dyno wouldnt make much more difference it always depend on how the dyno is set up here in montreal there is a shop with a dynapack dyno the read lower than most rolling dyno in quebec province …

[@CarlosGonzalez-vi9qv]

@@copperkeyracing6167 A Stock Speed 3 makes 220-230 whp. I have one making 326whp/ 375wtq. I don't need more than that for tracking.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

@@CarlosGonzalez-vi9qv My stock speed3 with dealer option makes 280whp on a dynojet. It's easy to crack 300whp on a speed3 without even touching the exhaust, intercooler, or a tune.

[@CarlosGonzalez-vi9qv]

@@copperkeyracing6167 May I ask what this dealer option is? I've never heard of it.

[@electrikoptik]

The engine sound is greatly improved it seems.

[@Buggabones]

Sounds like every other 2.0L turbo on the market since 2010

[@JJFLD]

I agree, I really like that the diverter value is very audible.

[@Enthusiast416]

You're telling me this just made 327/359 wheel? I can't wait to get mine

[@supershimadabro6839]

Seriously impressive results👏👏

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[@Joe_Friday]

Im glad the comments are now enabled. For so long in the past they were strangely disabled.

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[@durbolatin]

Those numbers are impressive, might have to trade in my 11th gen si for one

[@BulliKid]

Let’s go!

[@groundhabit6408]

Let’s goooooo!!!

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[@Charmer4856]

Whats the name of the shop? I'm in SoCal and I love that dyno setup. I may be interested in putting my car on the dyno to see my torque and power numbers. I daily drive a K20A2

[@HondataInc]

The shop is in Long Beach CA, Church Automotive. Ask for Daniel. Thank you for watching.

[@pedrorivera2308]

Nice channel by the way 👍

[@wanglee21]

Isn't it the same exact motor tho? If so wouldn't they make the same power after modding? Or is this a totally new head and block?

[@1FastSiR]

@hondata Will the flash pro from the FK8 work or we will have to buy a new one for the FL5?

[@HondataInc]

The FK8 FlashPro will not work on the FL5. Thank you for watching.

[@tenkkutn]

As my buddy Bubbles would say, "DECENT"

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[@8300rpmallday]

So I wonder if Honda just remapped or they actually made rods strong to hold additional power

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[@TheFK8Life]

The motor is already strong enough for 700hp - they just reworked the map and turbo spool - added a dual port exhaust exit on the head as well

[@codychallenger0666]

Can u do a video of what's best intercooler for the fk8

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[@sethd.617]

Are you guys going to make a tune for the 10thgen k20c2 the 2.0L

[@HondataInc]

Right now we only have tunes for the 1.5T. Thank you.

[@WagaBags]

Looking forward to your tune!

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[@ericesteves3452]

Despite the power bump , the extra added weight of just 88lbs with prevent you from ever feeling the minimal power bump , aside from this Honda decided to lengthen 3rd and 4th gears for more fuel efficiency in the fl5 resulting in taxing this cars potential in top end speed . A stock vs stock race between tue fk8 and fl5 are on video and the fk8 is still the faster car in power wise even though it has less power from factory , this is due to the fk8 being lighter and having shorter 3rd and 4th gears .

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[@TheFK8Life]

It's the final drive difference Fk8 4.1 vs fl5 3.8

[@Mark_Isaev_]

Those numbers are impressive, might have to trade in my 11th gen si for one😅

[@MaceoKemp]

I’m thinking the samething

[@popmostic]

Do it!

[@tanthaman]

Ricer

[@bryzeer5075]

If you drive an Si you can't afford a Type-R lol

[@Mark_Isaev_]

@@bryzeer5075 what does the si has to do anything with me affording a type r?

[@GR8GUY54]

So what are the whp and the tq numbers again after dyno??

[@HondataInc]

HP - 327 TQ - 359 Thank you for watching our videos and your feedback.

[@btbd2785]

what is the make and model of the actual turbo that added in the new Type R

[@lolb4udie]

I really want to get this car, however I'm not going to buy it if all the dealerships are marking them up for 10~20k over msrp

[@HondataInc]

Yes the markups are high right now, hopefully it will go down soon. Thank you.

[@BMWROYAL]

The whole point of cars like a civic type R is to get a budget sports car that you can also daily if need the extra space or have kids. It’s a value car, anyone who pays over sticker is dumb. Go get a used M3 or RS3 or something for the same price

[@TheFK8Life]

German cars are money pits which is why 80%+ are leased and returned vs being bought and kept. Hondas are bought and kept This Type R is made in Japan, will easily hold its value better than a German car.

[@Porsche4life]

I’m Excited for the new accord Hondata stuff as well. There’s supposed to be higher numbers with the new generation

[@ThatColorado]

I feel like some bolt ons and maybe up the boost a bit , it'd be so much more fun and that's all u need really

[@HondataInc]

Yes with these new Type Rs thats all you really need for a fun daily driven car. Thanks for watching.

[@mqbr22]

Why is this generation Type R slower in a straight line then the previous generation Type R then? I’m assuming it weighs more? Just wondering

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[@TheFK8Life]

Fk8 final drive is 4.1 and FL5 is 3.8

[@JBOsurf]

So on 93RON its getting 486nm and 243kw....what would it get on 98RON and a tune???

[@theawoken7914]

Any correction done on those numbers

[@VachOrd]

Everyone excited untill they see dealer markup numbers ..... my local dealer already said its gonna be 10 to 15K on the top off the sticker price which is absolutely insane paying 60k + for Type R ....

[@HondataInc]

Yes the numbers are high right now, We hope it goes lower so more people have a chance to get the FL5.

[@amin718]

So the power based on wheel horse power not on crank(?)

[@rushmatic]

Thanks Hondata Doug!!!

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[@komamix]

Incredible. Cant wait to see the tune

[@HondataInc]

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[@steveevans9808]

Was it overheating after the dyno test ?

[@HondataInc]

No heat soak with the FL5 running on the dyno. Thanks for watching.

[@lifematch]

Before you tune it, Can you do a dyno between 91 octane vs 93 octane? Apparently you can get 10 more HP from this. I look everywhere and no one has done this test yet.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

Hondata is in California, and they don't get 93 there. Maybe they can get it shipped in from Texas.

[@lifematch]

@@copperkeyracing6167 I’m sure there are some gas station they can find that has 93 octane. I really want someone to do this test. I hope they read my message.

[@evangelosantonopoulos7464]

laughing from Germany, 102 octane 🤓

[@copperkeyracing6167]

@@evangelosantonopoulos7464 98 rated octane in Germany is 93 octane in Texas. It's a different rating system. 102 in Germany, would be E30 here in the USA, which is 97 rating. Subtract 5 as a rule of thumb. Sure, we can get 102 octane here (97 octane by our rating system). There is about 10 stations in Austin, TX. One is 3miles from me. But when they say, they want to try 93octane, what they mean is E10 with 93octane, and not E10 with 91octane. You can cheat and mix in E85, get a higher octane, but you will also have higher amount of ethanol, which burns faster, and you will need to make adjustments to the injectors... which is not the same.... if you try it, you will run lean and lose power that way instead. Be patient, I'm sure a flex fuel kit will come out soon, like the fk8 had... then, you can put it any amount of ethanol you want... ofcourse, you'll need flashpro at the same time, and Hondata will let us know at what ethanol mix gives the best power. Could be E30 again.

[@lifematch]

@@evangelosantonopoulos7464 keep in mind I’m not talking about RON rating that is used globally. Im talking about the standard used in North America. So 98 Ron = 93 octane. But 102 is insane, but don’t think it would matter since type r was designed for 98 ron (93 octane).

[@savedby_grace6110]

Beautiful vehicle! However, I'm happy with my big turbo Accord pushing 400 whp. :) Wouldn't mind having a Type R though.

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[@savedby_grace6110]

@@HondataInc Done:)

[@forgetfulyoseph]

I wish the the type r would off came with brembo brakes in the rear.

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[@williamrori1274]

Agreed, it's quite disappointing it doesn't have them all around.

[@Dia1Up]

But what's in the box on the intake?

[@HondataInc]

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[@ashgrove07]

I wonder if Shawn ever fixed this Dyno?? 🤔🤔

[@HondataInc]

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[@markomarin3414]

Can it gap the MK8 R ?

[@OriginalAbsolute]

How do they get so little power, it’s not 1980s anymore to compete with sierras

[@HondataInc]

Your right its not the 1980s any more, thank you for watching.

[@g0d182]

⚠Curious about the following: ⚫0 to 60 ⚫1/4 mile ⚫Curb Weight ⚫Nürburgring time

[@HondataInc]

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[@Dailyshart]

0-60, on a good day is around 5.1-5.7. With slicks and a prepped surface, one could prolly hit 4.9. 1/4 mile is anywhere from 13.4-13.8. Nurburgring time is estimated to be around 7:41.

[@g0d182]

@@Dailyshart According to fastlaps fl5 has a slightly slower time to 0 to 60 than fk8 le but same time as regular fk8 Doubt Nurburgring will be broken, they've had 2 years to try. Would have reasonably helped to sell the car even more if they had a record breaking time

[@Dailyshart]

@@g0d182 the 0-60 time that i stated is around the exact same 0-60 time as the regular fk8. The FL5 beat the FK8 LE at Suzuka I believe so it would not be unreasonable for it to beat the fk8 on the Nurburgring, too. However, I do see your point. At this point, everyone is so disenchantment with Honda and so many other brands. I know it’s not their fault for the markups and supply shortages. A basic Honda Accord is going for 50k these days. It’s absolutely insane. The cheapest I could find an FL5 was 75k, lol. For that price point, one might as well buy an M4 or Supra.

[@g0d182]

​@@Dailyshart yes, agreed, I said above " fl5 has a slightly slower time to 0 to 60 than fk8 le (i.e. limited edition) but same time as regular fk8" ~I would think it could beat the nurburgring time too, but we have not seen that at all. Perhaps because the ring is longer and reasonably harder compared to a smooth surface like Suzuka. ~I got my fk8 January last year for 44k usd. I can't imagine shelling out 75k for a fk8 or fl5, although new fl5 costs 65k usd here in Jamaica directly from dealer. ~At that price point, yes, it's time for m4/supra/or more reliable gr corrolla, or I spend less and get a elantra n manual, since dct has been recalled by hyundai.

[@Unknown-ju5gp]

This or type r 2021 faster after fbo tuned. What’s faster in ur opinion. The 2023 back bothers me so I’m going for that 2021 type r

[@TheFK8Life]

Apples to apples the FK8 is lighter and has a better 4.1 final drive ratio vs the 3.8 in the FL5 - same power the FK8 is faster by default

[@pedrorivera2308]

Kool 👍,,Thats is not a lot of horsepower,,Its only 11 hp lol. And that thing is like $60,000,,Ill keep my FK8 thank you!!

[@msawyer110]

Did anyone ask your opinion....thanks

[@pedrorivera2308]

@@msawyer110 Did any asked for yours !? No,,Thanks.

[@pedrorivera2308]

@@msawyer110 Freedom of speech you bum 👌

[@TassieLorenzo]

Yep, the FL5 doesn't do anything that makes the FK8, or FK2 for that matter, obsolete. All three are very good cars IMO, if you had any of them you would be happy and not feel the need to upgrade from the two older models IMO.

[@Zcypot]

I see Tony the subaru in the back! If you're scared go to church!

[@HondataInc]

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[@Chodda]

how to buy one so soon ???

[@HondataInc]

First dealer we knew that had one in stock so at came and picked it up asap. Thank you for watching.

[@Chodda]

@@HondataInc at what percentage markup?

[@austin9820]

6 months ago, I asked my local honda dealership if I can get one for a 5k markup and I'm first in line! Can't wait for this beast. If you really want one I'd call dealerships and ask the same thing I did!

[@dakotawoodruff2622]

Lol purposely asking to be marked up. This some dealership bot account?

[@austin9820]

@@dakotawoodruff2622 huh? See what they did to Corvette C8's? They market them up over 30k. Try to get on a waiting list for a 2023 Type R. Most dealerships are already doing 10-15k. Clearly don't understand then.

[@dakotawoodruff2622]

@@austin9820 Lol you're not making anything better by saying you are ok with overpaying. You clearly don't understand.

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[@volvo09]

Good stuff!

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[@senorgato70]

so Throttle house dragged this against the last gen CTR and the last gen beat it soundly. Kind of surprising.

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[@Asiansxsymbol]

327 hp at the crank or at the wheels?

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[@Donyce19]

Surprised the VTEC is audible

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[@Donyce19]

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[@levi99]

Were both tested with stock setting or a base map? Numbers are higher than what Honda advertised

[@sirskelletor]

Honda notoriously under-rates their cars. Hondata also showed the new si and integra were putting up closer to 230 peak, compared to the 200 they advertised.

[@AB-nv7bz]

Why does tq just crash? Did the old one have much left in the turbo or is it just a really small turbo?

[@TheFK8Life]

It's a small turbo on 91 octane - no matter what the turbo dies off around 5k....better octane just raises the while plot higher....I made 400whp/400wtq on 30% ethanol/91 mix

[@miriamvivo4279]

Have 2006 subaru sti , would get if awd

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[@BrycenKauai]

Any one figure out what the weird think on the intake on manifold is covering?

[@samiahmadi6862]

Doing God’s work 🙌

[@dariusjonsson2358]

that little turbo is choking up the torque curve so much lol

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[@andrewvaldivieso1718]

Was this dyno at church’s?

[@mikewallace8087]

This is evidence that an engine break in procedure is unnecessary ?

[@rsxingaz]

Can you pop the type R lid on the intake to reveal what is underneath?

[@Hondaddy]

They already explained what it was since day one...

[@rsxingaz]

@@Hondaddy obviously I didn’t see it. Have a link?

[@z32twinturbo13]

Very cool

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[@rainsoundsbrainrelaxation7820]

it is funny that FK8 has less power but faster than fl5 in real life(stock against stock). it is is really a shocker!!!!!

[@HondataInc]

Yes it is, stay tuned for more FL5 content coming soon. Thanks for watching.

[@williamferguson1396]

Can I ask is this flywheel or wheel hp and torque? If it is wheel what are correction levels? Quite a bit more than factory flywheel ratings is why I ask.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

They are using a dynapack dyno, the one Hondata typically use. It reads 8% high vs a dynojet, which SAE uses to determine what hp a manufacturer can state without going over (the manufacturerr can underrate the car as much as they want). On a dynojet, a fk8 CTR reads about 290whp (wheel hp), compared 316.75hp on that dynapack. If you multiply 316.75 by 0.92, you get 291.4whp. So, that's about right, 8% high. Then, you have to convert from whp to hp at the motor. In a FWD, there is typically a 14% loss (example Veloster N puts down 235whp, rated 275hp, which is correctly rated). In the end, by the calculations, the FL5 (new CTR) is about 11hp and 27ftlbs more than the FK8... instead of what Honda stated 9hp more and 15ftlbs more in the new car, vs before. Fk8 should be rated about 335hp and the FL5 should be rated about 346hp... but no one correctly rates cars anymore it seems, they are all underrated... with the Veloster N being one of the last cars correctly rated.

[@williamferguson1396]

@@copperkeyracing6167 thanks for the reply. It does get complicated with different dyno numbers off of different dynos. Still very impressive numbers for the fl5! Underrated like the fk8.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

@@williamferguson1396 Completely agree. I wish Hondata would explain this somewhere... maybe a disclaimer video... but, many dynapack tuners like to brag with their high numbers. Seems impressive... until you realize their numbers were inflated... even if they were fairly inflated numbers... as wheels & tires do take away about 8% from the power being output at the hubs... and wheels&tires are so commonly the first mod.

[@williamferguson1396]

I agree. Maybe in a future video they can explain actual numbers with the fl5 and the process of the dyno numbers. I’ve dynoed many vehicles with a dyno jet 248 vs dynapack and they vary greatly. But still great numbers I guess.

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@copperkeyracing6167 "dynojet, which SAE uses to determine what hp a manufacturer can state without going over" Wouldn't the manufacturer (and therefore the SAE horsepower rating) use an engine dyno for rating engine horsepower instead of a car dyno?