2023 Kia Telluride X-Pro | How the Tables Turn

[@BassRacerx]

I don't think most of the actual buyers care about the drivind dynamics

[@savagegeese]

We explained it. The competition has fixed that problem. You no longer have to be stuck with a 3 row SUV that drives like trash. You can have comfort and a good driving experience. If you are spending 50k don't you want a car that does it all?

[@BassRacerx]

@@savagegeese I agree with you, And I agree that Journalists should not pull punches and be critical of products and point out how the competition does better. It just seems like a trend that driving dynamics is one of the things that consumers at large are willing to compromise on before other features.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@savagegeese but at least it drives better than a Toyota Highlander and grand Highlander so there’s that

[@McMooo587]

@@savagegeese nope, my wife wants what looks best and has the most room for kids and their stuff. I wanted a good infotainment and other tech like lane keep and auto lane change and the telluride offers the best in the class, so it’s what we got. Don’t care at all about driving dynamics. These things are all over suburbia

[@infidel900rr]

@@savagegeese We appreciate the insights regarding vehicle dynamics. That's the main reason I watch your channel over the others. To many of us, the handling is one of the most important aspects of a vehicle.

[@duhraider]

Mark/Jack - never change how you make your videos. You guys produce the best content in the automotive world.

[@dielaughing73]

Maybe behind Cammisa, but it's a close thing

[@duhraider]

@@dielaughing73 Cammisa is great but can be a bit hyperbolic. I appreciate SG's subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) humor a bit more.

[@Vin3Man]

@@duhraider do you guys mean his personal youtube or his hagerty channel?

[@krane15]

On the other hand, all things change.

[@NEKORID]

You are insane, there are lots of other channels that really are on another level. Not saying this isn't good, but dude cmon

[@Kingjay814]

My biggest complaint is that they got rid of the square amber running lights. Those looked so freaking good. That and as usual dealerships adding $20k to the price.

[@povertyspec9651]

$20K over sticker for a KIA? LMAO

[@DanDan-tt6gv]

What?! That’s what made it stand out.

[@anaveragehuman2937]

Dude, I thought you were joking. Just checked autotrader and yup, almost every new example worth getting is 5-10k over msrp... stupidness.

[@matty1053]

@@povertyspec9651 People are paying it lol

[@HD_Kerino]

@@povertyspec9651 40 thousand for a any car on the market? LMAO

[@AnontheGOAT]

Can’t wait for the Mazda CX-90 review.

[@KamalaTheClown]

This is a fantastic option and fits my needs. I now can worry less about going over speed-bumps at the local Kroger.

[@ThisGuyRides]

Guess I don't need this, no speed bumps at any Kroger I've been to.

[@Jazzmaster1992]

I saw your pfp and legit thought wheres981 was lurking this channel. Well played.

[@KamalaTheClown]

@@Jazzmaster1992 Lol, just a superfan.

[@DrDoomBloom]

Even though I already watched all the previous Telluride videos, I knew I would get my moneys worth from the comedic bits 😂. Thanks for not disappointing

[@magicdevile]

That ending was incredible, never change.

[@tubes9181]

i have the palisade calligraphy and the driving dynamics rarely come into play on my way to the soccer practice and grocery store. lolz like my wife says, it's all about the size and that's all that matters

[@krane15]

Bingo.

[@theofficialquent3488]

Correct.. I don’t know why they want a Kia to drive like a bmw for a mom taking their kids to bowling, they don’t care how they drive they want the space, feature, looks and that’s what’s they’re going to buy the car for.

[@john12354]

sounds like some cope. unless you live in the country, city or more urban driving is more than just "lolz, soccer practice" sounds very believable, btw.

[@DJPixcell]

Super agreed with your takes boys. Like visually in most senses they crush it.. looks are beautiful. Inside and out. The part that pushed me to the other brands, specifically I ended up going with Mazda, was that driving dynamic. I felt completely disconnected from the road with the Kia/Hyundai. While with the Mazda I still felt like there was a focus on driving feel, and as someone who enjoys the feel of the drive it was important to me. But absolutely for those, and there is quite a large audience for, who just want to go A to B in comfort without thinking about anything else.. they would be perfect.

[@andresmattos7541]

Well u need to get a sports car idiotic tonthink these suvs should feel like sports cars

[@sammyg4806]

@@andresmattos7541 SUVs can be sporty my friend. To be my GLB is a compact SUV (though it has 3 rows), and this is a mid size, but that car is fun to drive around in short and long family drives. Very good acceleration, breaking and AWD system. Previously we had an RDX (2021) and that was fun to drive as well. You can have a Funtime in an SUV. The Telluride looks sporty and aggressive on the outside, it should drive like it.

[@tri3pleagent]

Can't wait to see what you guys think about the new CX-90.

[@Secrecy30]

And the Subaru Ascent

[@bradstonesifer3398]

@@Secrecy30 Ewww... why the Subaru Ascent? That's one of the worst in this class?

[@Secrecy30]

@@bradstonesifer3398 Out of curiosity. Big fan of Subaru models until 2010, H6 were the best engines Subaru ever made, and the Tribeca a great car, ugly but bulletproof and full of character. Also the Ascent is not on sale here in Europe.

[@CrazyWeeMonkey]

​@@Secrecy30 Even if the Ascent was decent all around, it has some pretty bad reliability problems unfortunately.

[@gosman949]

they don't like it.

[@djkilo011]

I will say coming from an X3 and a 340i. When I bought my 2024 Telluride I knew it wasn’t gonna be a sport car but, I will say the driving experience for me is fun. The tech and look of the interior is amazing. I get nothing but compliments on my Telluride !

[@ArmyOne519]

I have a new 2023 Sportage X Line i love it. Congrats. Get it serviced only @ the Kia Dealership. That way there will be no Warranty Issues 😉. God Bless 🇺🇸.

[@trletts]

I feel like you guys kind of complained about a problem that isn't really a problem for owners in this segment. I get you guys are driving enthusiasts. You want captivating, engaging drives anytime you are behind the wheel. That is not what this segment is. You spent most of the time flooring it in this review. Tossing it into turns. Full transparency. We bought a 2023 Telly SX Prestige for my wife. I am an enthusiast. I have a supercharged S2000. The people that buy these, and the reason we bought one, is almost in a way the opposite of why you are critiquing it. This is a straight line, a to b, get your family to the destination in as much comfort, with as many little electronic niceties to keep everyone entertained, all at a good value. I don't care what it feels like when I am tossing it into a 30 mph turn at 55. I care how well a rear-facing car seat fits in the back and can an adult fit in the third row for short stints. I don't care how fast it accelerates...although it's totally adequate. I care about it having one of the best lane keeping systems out there and a ton of standard safety for our trips to make boring drives easier and safer. The Telluride and Palisade still knock it out of the park in what they are meant to do. Offer comfort with tons of features. The competitors didn't blow it out of the water in those areas important in this segment. Most of them are still behind after refreshes. They improved what isn't all that cared about. I still think the Telluride is the best looking vehicle in its class, too. Let's put it this way. I am never going to ask my wife when she gets home with the kids "did you have a nice spirited drive through the canyons?" No, it's "did you have a comfortable drive and were the kids entertained? Were you able to fit everything you needed for the day with ease?" I really like your reviews but you need to look at different segments taking into account what buyers in that segment want. In this one, it is not driving dynamics. That was your focus. You said Kia and Hyundai don't put the money into the stuff underneath. You're right. But what is there is completely competent for the purpose. Where they put their money is in the places that matter in this segment. Like you said, feels like you are driving a $70K car. Great utilization of space. Great tech. Everything a buyer with a family wants. Oh, and nothing really gets great gas mileage in this segment other than the Hybrid Highlander and maybe the new CX-90 hybrid. The Telluride is pretty average in the pack.

[@moloono1]

Gotta love it when people are lining up to buy a car that comes with a 100% un-ironic message to "Park outside away from structures due to fire risk if equipped with tow package" that hasn't been fixed since August of last year. Just goes to show you how much this brand cares about its consumers.

[@trletts]

@@moloono1 Many many manufacturers have issues like this. There is a stop sale on the harness and it only effects those manufactured previously with it. There are supply chain issues right now across the entire market. It is not unique to Kia/Hyundai.

[@21Dimen]

@@moloono1 are you going through every single comment to talk crap about them? Who hurt you?

[@moloono1]

@@trletts And yet Kia/Hyundai were the only ones that kept announcing fire recalls for 5 years in a row and for 2012 through 2021 manufacture years. Yes, recalls hit all manufactures, but that’s an amazing amount of negligence.

[@moloono1]

@@21Dimen Just stating facts to put the hype into more realistic terms.

[@iDom_0203]

These reviews are worth their weight in gold - honest, unbiased… just savage!

[@andersonrodriguez8258]

At 1:40 had me dying lmfaooooooooo🤣🤣🤣😂

[@RigstersJourney]

yeah i had to replay that to hear again golden moment.

[@vg4902]

Can you guys get your hands on a Dodge Hornet GT or PHEV? I'd love to see your take on the Italian Muscle Crossover. 😄

[@ronnestman4696]

Just bought a 2023 Honda Pilot. Completely satisfied thus far!

[@JJ-mh3hb]

What was out the door?

[@Suction_]

Keep an eye for leaks. I was about to and then the model I was interested started leaking when I got in it. Huge issue currently. Doesn't matter if there's a sunroof or not

[@s4nder86]

@@Suction_ How can that even happen, lol.

[@Suction_]

@@s4nder86 Ask Honda lol. Supposedly there's an issue with the body where it meets the windshield. Not 100% sure. The units they had I was able to see some other QC issues, specifically panel alignment. Not Tesla bad, but when I'm starting at it for a few minutes, you pick up on it.

[@DanDan-tt6gv]

Congrats!

[@kevind4061]

Savage. Keep these OEM's honest.

[@Druezy]

The video and audio quality is fantastic. You're one of the only channels that takes advantage of my Fold 4. Keep up the awesome work!

[@tboneh7368]

Awesome review!! Finally someone that’s not afraid to call out the garbage driving dynamics of the Telluride and Palisade! This is exactly how I felt when I test drove and why I chose the Honda Pilot! Thanks for not pulling punches!

[@andresmattos7541]

Idiots think SUV for the masses are sports cars.

[@ArmyOne519]

Don't worry, I've seen plenty of Pilots on the backs of Wreckers😂.

[@tboneh7368]

@@ArmyOne519 highly doubtful and also what does that have to do with the topic here of driving dynamics??

[@thomasf.7940]

algorithm, here we go.

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

YOU CLICKED IT

[@moloono1]

+1 for the algorithm.

[@Jdaminbf4]

Nah most of us are subscribed. No algorithm for us

[@moloono1]

@@Jdaminbf4 He’s talking about comments helping the channel out in the algorithm.

[@greywolf276]

Thanks for the honest feedback. Hope you guys are still having fun doing this - I’m sure the duds get to you after a while, but your videos are still the best in the business!

[@Riverguide33]

Mark’s personal comments in the last 10 seconds were revealing. 😂 Also, the “Wait for the Moment” messages on the infotainment screen.

[@povertyspec9651]

I see these flying down Florida interstates at 110 mph with drivers thinking they are in a sports car

[@moloono1]

It’s the new Nissan Altima 😂

[@Michael-xh8bn]

Kia Boizzzz

[@ericschmitz357]

Been to the Cx-90 press event? Yes! Looking forward to your driving impressions of the 2024 Mazda CX-90. Suspect the days of Tellurides and GV80s selling above sticker are numbered.

[@Emanuel_carey]

Same with station wagons… the best automobile to date

[@chrish8487]

4:25 Mark looks like a 10 year old child in that big front seat 😆

[@xfirstxlast6502]

Love your candid approach. As you well know, a lot to UTers are just glorified press releases. I just hope you don't lose access to press car to keep this style of reviews on your channel.

[@rdm925]

Nice, but looking forward to seeing you review the Mazda CX-90, ASAP😊!

[@DearSX]

Surprised by the review, glad to see Mazda and Honda improved a bit.

[@ET-oq2ih]

Anxiously awaiting the CX-90 review. It won’t have been reviewed until you review it.

[@dh5341]

a year old but finally someone that doesn't put telluride at the top of the suv list. these other reviewers must be getting kickbacks of some sort.

[@Suction_]

I really wanted to like these, but I went with a Highlander. Yes, its smaller. Yes, the Pilot is larger. Yes, the Mazda drives better. But when I'm dropping 46k I want it to retain some value, and not spontaneously combust. Also, for those comparing the Pilot. There's some horrendous issues with water leaking around the windshield and body seams in the front. Look into it. Huge deterrent for me

[@JDsHouseofHobbies]

I have a 2009 Optima that I picked up used. It's always had some weird electrical issues. One is that on a hot day, parked in the sun, the panic mode would trigger and the horn would blare and hazards flash, eventually killing the battery. I ended up pulling the horn fuse to keep my neighbors from having to listen to it. I took it to a shop and they said they couldn't find what was wrong.

[@Suction_]

@@JDsHouseofHobbies Jesus lol. First I’ve heard of that, most issues I see with Hyundai Kia are just blown motors and taillight bulbs going out far faster than anyone else

[@CU08]

Honda's quality has plummeted IMO. They have great engines, but that's about it. The rest of the car is pretty lackluster across their line-up, Acura included.

[@palebeachbum]

@@Suction_ GM entered the chat.

[@palebeachbum]

@@CU08 The same can be said for Toyota as well.

[@chargersrt10]

Good. You sealed the deal. 23 Pilot it shall be. 👍👍😎😎😎

[@MatthewGaither]

“Good-bye Mark” cracked me up for some reason.😂

[@levicharles996]

The title should’ve been ‘How The Turntables’ in honor of Michael Scott. Haha 😂

[@UnorthodoxMasterOfGames]

TRUE

[@AHungryHunky]

Maybe big SUVs should feel big though? Might have more people driving them with the respect such a vehicle commands instead of whipping them around like sportscars and wondering "what happened?" when physics innevitably wins.

[@Eldaino999]

feeling big isn't the same as being completely disconnected.

[@brucemadu8535]

My gas mileage is terrific. Avg 29 mpg (imperial gallons - Canada) after 18,000 km. Have gotten low 30’s on extended highway trips. Terrific for a truck of this size.

[@matthewl8143]

great review, a year ago i was in the market, drove this and a palisade, it was sooooooooooo boring to drive, ended up with a 4Runner

[@mvoutour]

I wonder if upgraded shocks could help the driving dynamics. My F150 felt sloppy and cumbersome until I put some mid tier Fox shocks on it. The shocks completely transformed the truck from a mushy mess into a sharp handling truck

[@Beanercounter]

I wish more car reviews actually reviewed what it's like to being driven around the back seats. My sister has a Telluride and it's the first time I've ever gotten car sick because of how much bouncing there was when sitting in the back. I drove it another time and it was a completely different experience, quite comfortable and not bouncy on the same road while up front.

[@palebeachbum]

It's a big SUV, not a sports car. It's meant to be attractive, comfortable, and haul people and cargo. It checks all of those boxes and does it for an unbeatable value. An interesting point to note is that Honda used a Kia to benchmark their future redesign. If that isn't proof that Kia has come a long way and Honda is struggling to make compelling vehicles, I don't know what is.

[@midwestfarm757]

The Japanese always benchmark other companies' products actually. It's been occurring for decades. It's all fun and dandy at first, but when defects start showing up like ABS fires, trailer hitch fires, fires to the fires, or 1 million plus vehicles needing a new engine that is troublesome to me. The Japanese using old, outdated designs sometimes appeal to me as I cycle a vehicle through my family until its 15-20 years old and has 250,000 or more miles. I know I can trust my Honda or Toyota to do that no problem.

[@moloono1]

Kia and Hyundai lost $2.3 billion dollars in Q3 2022 profit due to warranty claims on failing engines. Sounds like it’s the same old Kia/Hyundai to me 😂

[@palebeachbum]

@@midwestfarm757 what's troublesome is Honda and Toyota not recalling their major defects and instead quietly issuing service bulletins for issues like prematurely failing transmissions and piston ring defects causing massive oil consumption. It's kinda of strange to vilify a company for standing behind their products with a better warranty and replacing major components up to 100k miles. The fact that they're spending that kind of money fixing customer cars is commendable. They could pull a Toyota move and say oil consumption is normal and send you on your way to pay out of pocket.

[@palebeachbum]

@@moloono1 so they stand behind their products with a superior warranty. 👍

[@moloono1]

@@palebeachbum We all know that without that warranty, very few people would buy a Kia/Hyundai.

[@BarnStangz]

I feel like you two summed up the general buying public quite well. People care more about looks than function and driving dynamics. It's honestly sad. Stuff is so outrageously over-priced today, you'd think that you would "get it all" but nope... I was in a new Corolla last weekend and it is amazing how cheap it felt to me, yeah, I get it, they are reliable and I would still recommend it to someone needed a good A-B car, but man, the feel of things inside the cabin were just depressing, I feel like controls and seats were much better built even in the early 2000's. As always, thank you for the content.

[@andresmattos7541]

It's not a sports car and what car is not overpriced 😂😂😂😂

[@FedericoPrieto13]

G, if only there was a way to have a car with a lot of cargo space, that could drive like a car and not like a truck, with excellent fuel economy and good aerodynamics...If any of the americans reading this, come up with a solution that change the ESTATE of this situation, let me know, I'll jump on the WAGON!

[@ATXDiecast]

Great straight up review! But the outro advert was the icing 😅😂

[@nacholibre1465]

I was half expecting them to both open their doors and jump out after saying goodbye to each other.

[@Blitz0065]

Design wise, I still feel like the Telluride (and Palisade) are my first choices. As far as driving dynamics, I don't have the luxury of driving a multitude of vehicles so I can't say much but I can say that I don't have any complaints yet besides it could use more power (this is coming from a V8 owner). It's always "funny" to read the comments. Some ignorant, some trolling, some downright wrong, and a few mature comments.

[@SirT80]

I can definitely understand all of your points. As an owner of a 2019 Optima, I honestly feel my car’s driving dynamics are also fine, as I too haven’t experienced a variety of other vehicles. I keep hearing about how athletic the Mazda 6 and Honda Accord Sport feel, but in all honesty, my Optima does the job and feels good. I think the Telluride and Palisade are still very good vehicles, especially when it comes to value. The competition is just now catching up. Just imagine how much better the next generation Telluride will be.

[@ezsog8903]

2:15 i like how jack and mark were background audio while infotainment shenanigans were happening on screen ... dope

[@aprtur]

LOL....I totally missed that BHPH part 😂

[@billshoe22191]

Interior is so much better than the Acura MDX you guys gush about. Gorgeous design and materials unlike the gallons of cheap piano black plastic in the MDX. This vehicle nails the brief and does it better than anyone else. Died over the RBI in teeball remark

[@hertzair1186]

Who would have dreamt there would ever be a waiting list at dealers for any KIA? I presume it’s the designers they hired from Audi and BMW some years back.

[@Belmont148]

They sure didn't take their engine engineers. Dinosaur engine in that thing. No hydraulic lifters, lol Who adjusts valves in the 21st century

[@HD_Kerino]

@@Belmont148 they have better V6’s.

[@warren_r]

Yeah, Peter Schreyer is almost single-handedly responsible for bringing Kia to the big-leagues in terms of good car design. But he's 70 years old now and has taken a half step back from his day-to-day duties, so it will be interesting to see where they go in the years ahead.

[@hertzair1186]

@@warren_r …KIA/Hyundai will probably bring in more Germans…as it’s apparently the secret formula to their renaissance…

[@krane15]

Don't wait. Move on. I would.

[@stackthatartpaper]

One thing that’s great about Kias is you never have to change the oil, brakes, or tires. When you trade it in, the dealer will do all that for free Saves a lot of money ❤

[@GhostOfRT300]

Nothing is free, it comes off the price of your trade it.

[@Ecuador006]

Smart af

[@edwardrobitaille2091]

My wife has the Telluride. I feel like I’m driving a school bus. 3rd row probs

[@tboneh7368]

Yah felt the same way when I test drove one. I honestly think my old 2000 Honda Odyssey felt better behind the wheel!

[@Kevin-bd8ut]

Love savagegeese, but did not agree with most of this review. I own a 2020 Telluride. I understand the competition has worked hard to compete with the Telluride which just a a year or two ago was by far the cream of the crop of the segment. However, the tone of the review was what I would expect from a Mitsubishi Mirage. Come on guys! Seriously? This is still an amazing vehicle. Yes it drives like a couch, I'm sure the new Pilot drives a bit better. I'd like to test drive it to see. However, to say this does not get good gas mileage is misleading. Doesn't it get the same as the Pilot? This was not mentioned. I just drove from Detroit to Hilton Head, South Carolina 4 days ago in my 2020 Telluride with 3 adults and 2 young children in the car packed with luggage and I got 27 mpg on the way down. Mostly highway, but up and down several mountains. I'll take that!!! Not as good as the Highlander, but that Highlander is much smaller. My big fault with this refresh is getting rid of the iconic square running lights and there is some brown plastic in the interior where mine is black, I think they over did it with the brown inside, but that's a personal thing. Anyway, I was a Buick Enclave owner before this and this Telluride drives almost as good as the Buick, I'll take that too! I am not a racecar driver, but I do like and enjoy driving dynamics, but I also like a good cruiser for what it is. I think you 2 were a bit hard on the beloved Telluride.

[@mutotalamb7802]

Thank you so much for this. I have a 2020 Telluride. NO mechanical problems still flying high!

[@Utsusemi]

No Mechanical Review? A mechanic reviewed the 2023 Palisade and mentioned how the engine or engine hardware is old school. For example GDI V6 no port, etc.

[@midwestfarm757]

They said they have done quite a few other Palisade/Telluride videos, so I am sure its on an older video.

[@krane15]

On the other hand, updates are greatly appreciated. They let us know if the changes are significant and worth consideration, or purely cosmetic.

[@ShibaCX90]

When are you reviewing the CX-90 Turbo S or PHEV?

[@dirk5950]

I also use to chase Bees in the outfield when I played T-ball. Clearly we are related.

[@tmmsplace]

We had a Tarus wagon for two kids and two adults. I have an SUV for the floor to ceiling height but also because I don’t need a three row vehicle like a minivan or wagon. Is it SUVs are popular because people don’t need a wagon and minivan , too? I would be fine without a 3rd row, just cargo space. How many other families would be better off without the 3rd row option? Probably most

[@gsdfsdfsdfs]

The Kia boyz will love this model

[@General_M]

Do they sell this with a turn key ignition? Because it’s only kias with turn key ignitions that are a problem

[@Jaslath]

@@General_M No, they don't.

[@midwestfarm757]

@@General_M I've had some in my area have the back window smashed out at the very least. Even on push button start.

[@21Dimen]

@@midwestfarm757 okay and windows on other vehicles cant be smashed?

[@theofficialquent3488]

@@midwestfarm757 Honda and Toyota must have windows they can’t be smashed?

[@scittw22]

The review seems spot on. These things were mind-blowing when they first came out but now they've been pretty much surpassed by all their competitors.

[@Sklounst_Actual]

Disagree, not seeing huge competitive advantages from the Pilot, Atlas, Highlander, Pathfinder, Traverse(?), Explorer...

[@michaelwenzler783]

ALL their competitors? The only new entrants in this class are the Pilot and the CX-90. The Pilot may or may not be better depending on your preferences. The CX-90 seems like it will be great, but is also going to be significantly more money. Price-wise, it’s a half step up to another pricing bracket.

[@grizzly2880]

The most untrue statement lol. No other SUV in this class is even this good. The Palisade would be its closest. The new Pilot has a 7 inch screen... SURPASSED!!

[@theofficialquent3488]

This is so incorrect.

[@andresmattos7541]

Lol

[@everss02]

ford flex, not raised up and comfy af, love ours

[@outermarker5801]

As you guys noted the majority buying a 3 row family hauler couldn't care less about 'driving dynamics' or 'steering feel'. They want safety, space, gas mileage and reliable tech. As for Telluride successor, probably take cues from the EV9, that thing is rad

[@Eldaino999]

but you can also get all of those things, plus the driving dynamics, from something like a Pilot. The Honda, Mazda and toyota equivalent in this segment also comes with something few newer Kia/Hyundai's provide: long term reliability.

[@outermarker5801]

@@Eldaino999 Which clearly makes sense for the minority 3 row buyers who DO care about 'driving dynamics' 🤪 As for 'reliability', that is so subjective today it's ridiculous. Everyone knows if you want a ten year vehicle, get a Toyota bla bla. I had one for eighteen and still moved on to explore other brands. It's a tired argument that clearly doesn't wash anymore with the majority given other brands do quite well based on a myriad of other factors and needs.

[@outermarker5801]

@@layne4376 That's just dated fact free/anecdotal nonsense. By any measure anyone can look up, they're above average on aggregate for ICE consumer vehicles, bouncing around year on year in the top ten pack below Toyota and Honda. Those are statistical facts no matter what you _feel_ or even personally experienced. I know people who wouldn't touch a modern Toyota based on bad experiences, doesn't mean they're right.

[@andersonrodriguez8258]

@@outermarker5801 u wrong look at the recalls Hyundai Kia having engines blowing up nd evs catching on fire

[@moloono1]

@@outermarker5801 I would never trust a company with engine failures and fire problems being announced every year for more than five years in a row, affecting the owners of more than 8.5 million vehicles, spanning from 2012 to 2021 manufacture years; a company that lost $2.3 billion dollars of their Q3 2022 profit (55% and 77%, Hyundai/Kia respectively) due to warranty claims on faulty and failing engines. It’s not dated facts, it’s just truth.

[@fastskipper777]

You all need to understand. This SUV has a minivan chassis with flimsy front sub-frame and just adequate suspensions. Just put it on a lift and look at it. Compared to Explorer, older Pilot or even Chevy Traverse. And Pilot is also a minivan chassis but highly modified to meet the need with much better suspension setup. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent "car" but it ain't an off-road worthy SUV at all. It got trashed by a famous Korean car reviewer Nobossindustry (he puts all his review cars on a lift) for being just enough to pass by subframe - he gets all his cars from actual owners. He also trashed it for its high speed dynamics when lane changing. He said it's an okay car for a mall crawler people carrier. He also said the previous VW Tiguen is a piece-of S*IT (absolutely worst example of cheaping out on an ancient chassis). His philosophy is that foremost, a car must have a good chassis setup with good suspension. Everything else is secondary. Don't be swayed by the shiny interiors. Car is a people carrying metal case. SAFETY is the Number 1 element that you must consider. That means, stability, vehicle dynamics during high speed travel, braking abilities, road noise, vibration filtering setup, etc. By the way, he thinks, BMW makes some of the best chassis and suspension engineering with best component setups for a mass produced auto maker. He mentioned even Mercedes is cheaping out now days.

[@moloono1]

If only BMW wouldn’t cheap out by using plastic engine components that cause leaks everywhere after 5 years. Chasing down those leaks is a never-ending money pit.

[@fastskipper777]

@@moloono1 BMW is not the best "car". What I said is they do have some the best chassis and suspension engineering. That means, they have superior handling characteristics. I know all about their cheap plastics. My brother has one, an x5. It's a money pit. I would never buy a BMW for a long keep. They are only good for leases.

[@moloono1]

@@fastskipper777 Ah, thanks for the clarification. I totally agree!

[@General_M]

“If equipped with a hitch park outside to avoid fires” putting that in the review is the best disclaimer for a Hyundai/Kia product. You should go back and add that as an annotation to anything with a Theta II

[@theofficialquent3488]

This is a 2023 telluride… it does not have that recall.. that’s for the 2020-2022…😭 there’s no point of saying that if it doesn’t affect this 2023.

[@rohitgupta3114]

Gotta disagree. I've owned a 2022 telluride for nearly a year now. 8k miles. And I absolutely LOVE the driving dynamics considering it's a BIG 8 seater SUV. I had a Durango for a few months previously and sure it definitely was more engaging but it also had 20% worse fuel economy. We drove it down Route 1 from SF to Santa Barbara and it was accelerating uphill on the highway with ease (with 6 people inside). Steering is tight and very responsive too. I've also done the same drive in a Carnival and while that's decent too (for a minivan), the Telluride is way superior. Bottom line from my experience of owning this car: Considering this is a big SUV, and extremely well priced with a top notch interior design it's driving dynamics are perfectly fine.

[@mikekeller5202]

You disagree about what? That the telluride feels like a big suv and doesn’t handle that well compared to other suvs? That is has a nice interior? That it’s not that great on gas? That there’s more reliable suv’s?

[@rohitgupta3114]

​@@mikekeller5202 I disagree with the presenter's definitive declaration that they "hate the way the telluride drives" because it has "slow steering", "sloppy steering inputs" and it's "not fast", "it's not quiet" and the "engine is lifeless" and that it "feels cumbersome". That's what I totally disagree with. I have driven it 8k miles over the past 9 months across California, primarily in suburban areas as well as on route 1. For everything from commuting, to school drops, to road trips, to grocery runs.. In my view it accelerates amazingly well on the highway even when it's full, it has a perfectly capable steering without feeling like it's "too big", and is really comfortable in 35mph roads as well as on the highway.. 👍

[@FSAPOJake]

Dealerships need to go. It's been proven the past few years that they do absolutely nothing positive for the vehicle buying process, while simultaneously providing poor service and tacking on "market adjustments". It'll probably never happen, but auto manufacturers need to copy one of the few good things Tesla does and offer direct-from-manufacturer online purchasing.

[@hengli7372]

I am expecting the cx90 review 😮

[@Daniel-tl2ln]

"70 000$ luxury car"... Yeah, this car in Canada cost near 70 000$(canadian), so yeah it's luxury for many

[@fishbigfishchris]

I think this is kinda harsh. The car is pretty solid overall car aside from the 18mpg around town and small fuel tank to limit frequency of stops at the station. I’ve been happy with ours and don’t think it drives too bad. FYI I used to have an s2000 and have an Atom 4 on order with TMI so it’s not like I don’t like driving.

[@mikekeller5202]

It’s all relative. They’re comparing the newest model to the competition, which are better in most areas. If you want sunshine and rainbows you’re watching the wrong channel.

[@TheDagraner4576]

The Wagon/ station wagon needs to reappear on the American market to save us from ourselves. These companies keep trying to make these SUV's do more when the wagons of the 80's already figured it out. I think the Dodge Magnum would get more attention than it did if it where released these days.

[@TheRidersChoice]

Lots of companies are doing fast backs. BMW, Audi, Honda, VW, etc. they are almost as useable as a wagon while not looking god awful. Enthusiasts may like wagons. But to 95% of the market. They don’t like the look of wagons.

[@krane15]

The station wagon is dead and its not coming back. Especially not in North America.

[@trevormcculloch5011]

Thanks

[@gm2256]

Mark flexing the Type R hoodie

[@Phocoena-o1y]

When you say "it's not as quiet as the newer vehicles that have come out," to what vehicles are you referring please? I just want comfortable and quiet.

[@sudhikonsagar2541]

It's my second year with my telluride SX nightfall, it's amazing, loved it. Believe it or not so many in my neighborhood love the unique square amber DRL.. 😊 I got lot of compliments

[@gosman949]

Wow to the people that joined the masses of followers that bought this vehicle for long term usage!

[@3ducs]

The badge looks like it says KN with a backwards N, something the kids seem to like.

[@salem99099]

Kia Telluride got all convince and all technology you could imagine 😍😍😍😍

[@salem99099]

Not any competitor for Telluride got camera blind spot for turning right or left. Only Telluride have it 😍😍😍

[@sjohnson7879]

That's not special! Most cars have blind spot monitoring now adays and honestly thata all you need! Yes, they put a camera that pops up on the dashboard but the illumination in the mirrors are just as effective! So nothing special about having a camera activate on the instrument panel

[@springertube]

No 2nd row bench available on upper trims a (additional) deal killer.

[@DaveKootchie]

We bought this as a mini van. We don't care about handling dynamics, we don't care about road feel. It has to be big, quiet, and eat up miles. And that's exactly what our 2022 does. We have put 18,000 miles on in less than a year and is has given us zero problems (hasn't started on fire either). The driving assist is excellent and makes long road trips much easier, It is much quieter than our buzzy old CR-V, and despite what Mr goose mentions we average 29 on the highway when our old CR-V got 32 despite being much smaller. Oh and we paid MSRP because fuck scabby dealerships. Overall this is the best vehicle we have owned in regards to an appliance and people mover.

[@povertyspec9651]

And you probably drive it at 100 mph on the interstate like you're in a sports car 😅

[@moloono1]

Wait until you have to have the valve train manually adjusted because the engine doesn’t have hydraulic lifters like every other modern car.

[@anAmishGuy]

I guess I get it. I'm not personally interested in anything in this segment because when I need a minivan I'll just buy a minivan, but it's a good-looking and comfortable minivan-like thing.

[@iana36s]

A very number of people don’t appreciate dynamic quality. At least until they need to avoid a accident.

[@boy638]

Interior does look very good for the price

[@krane15]

Kia/Hyundai give you the best bang for the buck. No equals.

[@consciousawakening4799]

@@krane15 until the Kia boys decide to take your car for a spin 🏃🏽‍♂️

[@krane15]

@@consciousawakening4799 There are Kia boys?

[@consciousawakening4799]

@@krane15 the theft ring centered around Hyundai and Kia. Haven't heard of it?

[@krane15]

@@consciousawakening4799 Completely clueless.

[@jimbo_dilly1675]

I really wanted to pull the trigger on a new Telluride, but I have read online and personally heard so many horror stories about getting KIA dealers to complete warranty work. For now, I'll wait to spend my money on the Toyota Grand Highlander.

[@wking8]

My ex wife bought the 2019 version and I couldn't believe how huge this suv feels to drive. Lumbers around like a bus.

[@bradleyscarreviews]

There is no 2019 version.

[@wking8]

@@bradleyscarreviews whatever the first model then. Thought it was in 2019.

[@tboneh7368]

Totally agree. I’m pretty sure a small part of my driving soul died when I test drove one 😂

[@jjvegas666]

I love how they talk about how slow it is then his head snaps back when he floors it. 😂

[@ruturaj47]

X line and x pro are IMO worst versions of it, one would be paying for things Kia isn't good at. Telluride prestige adds on bells and whistles and seems better value out of all trims.

[@moloono1]

100% agree with you.

[@ccorry21]

I wonder if minivans will eventually have a renaissance. I'd still glad drive the Sienna hybrid for 35 mpg, high reliability, and a decent dealer experience.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

we couldnt find a sienna for ages, but yes the efficiecy of our sienna is hilarious, its better than our camry. with steady state 70mph cruising on flat land the mpg gauge was reading 38-39 for us on the highway, and sliding doors are just better for ingress and egress

[@aymanlockhartable]

I like KIA Telluride since new vehicle I’m not sure about long term reliability 10+ years from now and how hold up!? I’m leaning towards used certified Lexus GX460.

[@hawkeytown]

Thats what I did, got a 22 gx this year and its excellent, plus it will outlast the kia 3x over. But the GX is quite a bit smaller than that tellurid, a lot of that is the body on frame vs the unibody not just that its almost a foot longer. I dont really see cross shopping them much, the gx is in line with the santa fe and the sorento. The LX is the teluride size.

[@aymanlockhartable]

@@hawkeytown Good info thanks!

[@pkdude5334]

meh, give me the Pilot over this every day of the week

[@bradleyscarreviews]

What’s so special about the pilot?

[@pkdude5334]

@@bradleyscarreviews build quality, driving dynamics, resale

[@theofficialquent3488]

@@pkdude5334 resale value is better on the telluride and so are the materials.. the only issues they have in this video is that it doesn’t drive like a bmw or Mercedes which nobody cares for.

[@nateisright]

The Pilot is looking better and better with every review.

[@theofficialquent3488]

Not better than a palisade or telluride, highlander, pathfinder but it does look good

[@R8andGT3Fan]

I read the title and I immediately thought about that Michael Scott quote!

[@jimhimesjr]

Take me to the nearest buy here pay here lot lol

[@dielaughing73]

Now that's how you end a video

[@2005OEFArmy]

I've just test driven everything in the non-lux 3 row segment. I would have picked the CX-90 if their ACC actually worked which is a must for me and my family. The Palisade(twin, I know), the Grand Highlander and the Pilot fail miserably at what matters to me the most - safety/crash test ratings. They all fail to protect my most important possession, my kids. I can't say I am in love with the Telluride, but it is the last vehicle standing(and yes, Americans and the Atlas I wouldn't even consider).

[@will.davlin]

We need a 125 mile minivan ev for 30 k or under and hatchback ev for 25k Then give an option for 300 mile range for 40k and 32 k

[@MurseTech64]

EVs need to be a base of 500 miles at 75mph continuous interstate speeds for 30k before they are road trip viable. The charging network really needs to step it up as well.

[@will.davlin]

​@@MurseTech64 ya if u wanted to road trip you'd rent if u had these evs

[@mikekeller5202]

Why would you want a 4500 lb hatchback? It’s clear that ev whores do not care about the driving experience.

[@ktakashismith]

what planet the f*ck do you live on where you think any EV is gonna sell in the US market for 25k? Might as well ask for a time machine.

[@bigcjm]

So on one hand I agree with some commenters that the driving dynamics shouldn't matter. However when you do the right thing and test drive the whole group what might be the reason to buy us driving dynamics. This class is now filled with hulking SUVs. The all have big screens and the same features. Similar straight line speed, sound systems are often from the same company. When everything is so similar you're either asking people to buy it on looks, reputation, or how it drives.

[@TheBjjones]

Kia Telluride - The "fool's gold" of mid size SUV's.

[@cjburn2758]

Until we get a commitment from Hyundai/Kia/Genesis for a better sales/customer experience, it will always be a hard pass for their vehicles for me. I have had WAY better experiences with Ford, Mazda, and the Toyotas I have owned the last 10 years. The Genesis G70 I owned was a good car, with a enormously frustrating ownership experience that prevents me from ever considering another one of their vehicles in the future.

[@moloono1]

Sorry you had such a crappy experience. I don’t think their customer service has caught up with their design. What did you move into when you got rid of your G70?

[@cjburn2758]

@@moloono1 sounds weird but a Tundra, just wanted something I could rely and I know the dealership experience by me was excellent.

[@moloono1]

@@cjburn2758 That’s awesome. Those 5.7 liter engines are so reliable. Gas mileage is rough, but at least you have peace of mind! Hope you enjoy many miles in your Tundra!

[@Shadarif1901]

I like visually how mark fits in the seats of this

[@krane15]

Like a kid who can barely see over the steering wheel?

[@markdougherty1636]

@@krane15 Maybe he should sit on a phone book next time…

[@Dowlphin]

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[@moloono1]

Algorithm…let’s go!!!