2023 PHEV Outlander - real life WINTER EV range test! | Part 2

[@dkostasx]

The ECO mode allows to reduce the usage of heating and A/C if this feature is enabled via settings. Go to Settings and then into "ECO Settings" and then into "ECO Drive Mode" and there enable "ECO Climate Control" option. Then whenever you will drive in ECO mode the car will use heating and A/C less aggressively which also means that the engine will not start so often for heating and the car may use less energy for heating and A/C. The previous generation Outlander PHEV had the same feature as well.

[@mr.mitsubishi]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@lon6320]

The previous PHEV seemed to cycle to air conditioning on and off in ECO mode. I would notice the vent air temperature going up and down with that setting. Also if you pushed the accelerator all the way to the floor it would not start the ICE to give you the added power. The accelerator pedal has what feels like a detent in the last cm or two of travel that takes quite a bit of force to go past. Both the old and new versions have that. In normal mode the ICE engine would always start if you pressed beyond the detent.

[@judithroque4009]

Thank you for the information. I’m trying to get familiarized with my new car. PHEV is a game changer.

[@gwrace]

Thank you for all the content on this new PHEV. We hope to take delivery in the next couple of weeks here in the US.Supposed to ship by rail out of Tacoma this week.

[@jeremyhopwood]

We are on the waitlist at Vancouver Mitsubishi but wanted to say thanks for all this content

[@SB-en5uz]

Thank you for this vide. We are starting to get a better idea of Canadian winter drinving with the PHEV 2023

[@mr.mitsubishi]

Thank you for watching :)

[@Mr-Faraz92]

If its giving 52km in -3 imagine in Calgary-40 😢 Just 10km May b 😂

[@richardmelo267]

@@Mr-Faraz92 there's a good chance it won't start at -40

[@Mr-Faraz92]

@@richardmelo267 Yes and my Ford Escape 2013 SEL never Failed in -40 😊 Thats why Plug in Hybrid is not for me specifically Mitusbishi, Regular Hybrid is gona work in -40 without any problem

[@jasonkirkland1304]

Mr Mitsubishu: It's really cold here....-5 degrees Me in Calgary: It finally got cold here and I have to put on a jacket @ -45 degrees

[@Mr-Faraz92]

This Vehicle is Not For Calgary because in owner manual Mitsu clearly mentions it will not start in colder than. -20 and in Calgary winter we mostly got -40 here so forget about it. Stuck in -40 Calgary weather means death ☠️

[@markkevinpena6822]

​@@Mr-Faraz92hey im just gonna pick up the outlander 2024 gtp in edmonton this weekend ive read your comment and ive come across to the group of people who is having the same issue here in alberta and now im scared to pick it up.. do i have to cancel? I dont wanna experience getting stuck in winter with -45 degree dont know what to do..

[@Mr-Faraz92]

@@markkevinpena6822 i saw some in Calgary i was planning to buy this but did not because of this issue if its stuck in -50 means death ☠️ and i know how swerve weather is -50 as a Calgarian so please ask those peoples who really have this from last 2 to 3 Years as i ask a person he said he faced the issue and finally ending up towing the vehicle and that was horrible experience, but may b they improved or something before cancelling your pickup Just ask few peoples, because i saw just 1 or 2 in my area not more than that so because of this cold start issues

[@Mr-Faraz92]

@@markkevinpena6822 its in User manual it won’t start in -30 or colder

[@richardmelo267]

@@Mr-Faraz92 it was not in the original manual which screwed some people over. The latest manual says it might not start.

[@rajmohanpm8189]

I just ordered my new phev outlander 2023, here in Ontario. Thank u for ur vidros. Hopefuly by March 2023, i will have my new phev🥰

[@lon6320]

Next time it gets cold there could you please show the kW power output screen on the center display while you are driving. Also show the battery temperature after the drive. When I drove the SEL with a cold battery (-10C, blue area of temperature display) it would only provide 45 kW of EV power.

[@mr.mitsubishi]

I'll try that out.

[@dweeppatel1344]

I'm getting my new Outlender Phev GT-P this Tuesday. I'm so excited!

[@andremcamara3120]

Thanks again for this hands on video and do appreciate this and look forward to your future videos. Not in this particular order but could please try the following for your next video. 1) After charging. Unplug the vehicle. 2) start the vehicle normally and immediately turn off the heater. 3)Place main screen in Range display mode and point camera so we can see the range. 4) With Camera on the screen, turn on heater to see new range. 5) Continue with your test. For a future video: 1) Plug in vehicle 2) Using the App. Check that Battefy is fully charged 3) On App, change to Heating mode, set to defrost, 10 minutes. 4) After 30 minutes, unplug car, start car in EV Mode. Turn off heater. 5) Display Range with Heater off. 6) Turn Heater on and Display new range. 7) Carry on with test for the day. For another future video: 1)Plug car in. 2) Using App set defrost to 20 minutes. 3)Unplug car, start in EV Mode, heater off, Display range. 4)Turn heater on and Display range. 5 Carry on with test for the day.

[@mr.mitsubishi]

Thank you for watching the video. Noted! :)

[@ClaudiuCorbea-kl8jl]

Is there a lower thermal limit when EV mode will not work anymore? When it is really cold in Canada (think -20 to -25 C), will the car still run in EV only mode once it has warmed up? It would also be good to test the City EV range mode when it is really really cold - 20 C. This is a very common situation with people going to work in the morning in Canada during the winter.

[@ihikebc2295]

Since the EV battery is used to start the engine, the user manual advises it may not start below -30 Celsius. So, you would be stuck until it warms up. Also, engine power may be reduced below -15 or above +45.

[@Mr-Faraz92]

It won’t start in -30

[@hammamakil4816]

Its a nice car…USELESS in the cold though. so be ware and don’t go for it if you live in a cold province…and I mean actually cold and not -5

[@TheGramee]

Very good reveiw...great!

[@richardb9591]

@Mr. Mitsubishi - Thanks for this video, it was very helpful. 👍 When you initially departed the dealership parking lot, the vehicle was in "EV Mode" and the engine was running to assist in warming up the cabin. In this situation, when you pressed on the accelerator pedal to get moving, did the engine rev up or did it remain in idle? Just curious. Also... is there a way to bring up an engine tachometer on the digital driver display? As well.. is there an icon on the driver display that turns on to indicate when the engine is running?

[@mr.mitsubishi]

If engine is running and you step on gas - your RPM's will go up as well. You can't really see the RPM's anymore. They just want you to focus on EV I guess. Energy flow charts are the best way how to tell when engine is running.

[@greaseman101]

I feel you do the most in depth videos for the Outlander PHEV "MM", well done 👍🏻

[@Repparc1]

What was the liters/100km for the test or in other words how much fuel was used

[@Superflyalive]

We have a brand new 2023 SEL. If you preheat, while plugged in, using the app you get heat (or cooling) and heated seats and steering wheel. I'd assume the issue you have is because you are doing it manually not with the app.

[@lon6320]

The old PHEV was the same but the App was only short range WiFi.

[@mr.mitsubishi]

Yes, that would be due to that. For some reason I thought it doesn’t matter if you do it from app of manually but it does.

[@andremcamara3120]

@@mr.mitsubishi on my 2022 Outlander PHEV 13.8kWh pre-heating works fine when done by app but as soon as I open any door, the pre-heating stops. Heater will not work with Car plugged in and anyone is in the car.

[@dkostasx]

@@andremcamara3120 You can sit in the car and start preheating via app while sitting in the car without any problem. It will work until you will open the doors or the time will run out.

[@andremcamara3120]

@@dkostasx I did try this many times on both my 2018 and 2022. The App will not connect, while I am sitting in the car.

[@christrent8580]

I thought it said all US and Canadian model had a heat pump but it still ran the gas motor when it needed heat. We have a Niro phev and it does not a dedicated heater either, so it needs to keep turning the gas motor on and off even in EV mode. So they shouldn't really call it EV mode since it still requires gas.

[@mr.mitsubishi]

Gas motor was working only for a few seconds of the drive, at the very beginning

[@martincloutier666]

Oh, are you saying that there is no way to preheat the interior without unpluging the charger or starting the gaz engine?

[@andremcamara3120]

Pre-heating can be done with car plugged or unplugged only when we use the App or timer but will turn off as soon as a door is opened or someone is in the car.

[@martincloutier666]

@@andremcamara3120 thank you for this clarification.

[@dkostasx]

@@andremcamara3120 The preheating does not require connection to the charger. You can start it without connecting your car to anything. The only requirement is that it should have enough charge in the battery.

[@dkostasx]

Yes you can preheat the car without plugging the car in, but then it will use the battery charge. This also requires that you have enough charge in the battery. The engine will only start if the car is turned on, e.g. in Ready mode and only if the intensive heating is required. So if there is a big difference in cabin temperature and the temperature you have set in the A/C panel as target temperature, then the car will start the engine. If the difference is small, then the car most likely will be able to heat the cabin without the engine. The problem is, however, that in winter with sub-zero temperatures it is practically impossible to get heating done without triggering the engine start, because the lowest temperature you can set for heating will be way above the actual cabin temperature which will practically always trigger the engine start.

[@andremcamara3120]

@@dkostasx yes I do and have always understood that. I was responding to the question that was asked. But with free standing car and with heat/cool activated by app. Once any door is open, it interrupts the operation of the heat/cool process. Tested this on my 2918 and on my new 2022. This happens regardless of car being charged at the time or not.

[@anthonyg8435]

Did you use a level 2 charger? I was told preheating the vehical only works with a level 2 charger.

[@lon6320]

I had a 2018 PHEV and it would do the same on level 2. While plugged in it would only blow cold air. Not sure why they couldn't change that for the new one.

[@andremcamara3120]

@@lon6320on my old 2018 Outlander PHEV 12kWh GP, the Heater worked when plugged in. On level 1 or level 2 when using my app but not while in my car.

[@lon6320]

@@andremcamara3120 Yes mine did as well. But only with the WiFi only App. Which was often difficult to connect.

[@andremcamara3120]

@@lon6320 yes the app is finicky. Seems to need line of site to work best. Sometimes I have to connect to the car's wifi 1st, from available WIFI then use the App. Works better when I do that

[@dkostasx]

Preheating works even if the car is not plugged in. It only requires that you have enough charge in the battery.

[@anthonyg8435]

I thought the heat pump worked down to 20 degrees Fahrenheit so the ice wouldn't start

[@andremcamara3120]

Not really sure that the 2023 uses a heat pump. I believe that it uses Resistive heating and a Electric AC Unit for cooling.

[@anthonyg8435]

@@andremcamara3120 Even if it doesn't have a heat pump it's advertised being able to heat the vehicle without starting the ICE that was the big plus with the outlander phev and the RAV4 prime

[@andremcamara3120]

@@anthonyg8435 Outlander has always been able to heat cabin without using ICE since 2014, in Europe, Australia and Japan and in 2018 for NA. But it uses Resistive heating. Works well without the use of ICE until it reaches 5'C, lowered than that the ICE kicks in but can sometimes be turned off when EV button is engaged. I could control heating for EV only mode much better on my 2018 Outlander PHEV 12kWh than I can on my 2022 Outlander PHEV 13.8kWh. Just not sure how much control to bypass the ICE is available on the 2023.

[@dkostasx]

Heat pump is slow, so when heating is demanded then it will use the engine to assist.

[@dkostasx]

@@andremcamara3120 The new gen.4 Outlander PHEV has a heat pump

[@kerrirodrigues7892]

@Mr. Mitsubishi I wanted to know if the Outlander PHEV will have any starting issues when the climate gets below -30C. We have at least a month of constant -30C winters. i don't want to be stranded with the car not able to start in -30C.

[@ihikebc2295]

The owner's manual states Outlander PHEV may not start below -30, as the EV battery is used to start the engine. The engine power would also be reduced below -15 or above +45.

[@Mr-Faraz92]

It won’t start in -30 i am living in Calgary and we get -45 here at least for an month or more so i saw many times these vehicles stuck and won’t start in that weather while my Ford escape 2013 starts in that weather without even cranking 😂 So don’t buy this EV if you’re living in Alberta Please 🙏

[@echino77]

Please make a video about charging at a public paid DC fast charger. How much does it cost in real life? Calculations show it's going to be more expensive than gas, but I can't really believe that. A real life test would be very helpful!

[@SkaBob]

Another dealer did that and it cost $7. For just 40-45 miles it's not saving any money vs just using gas. It may cost different amount depending on the location and company but there isn't much point to fast charging a PHEV. At home it should cost under $2 or there are also free L2 chargers at some stores, hotels and other locations.

[@adamcoe]

Most DC fast chargers here in Alberta are ~$20/hr, so as much or more as gas. Now and again you can find a free one (there is exactly one I know of in the Calgary area) but by and large it's just sort of an extra port that you will barely use, unless you have one of those crazy reverse power packs in your house and you can use the car to power your house for a day or two in an emergency.

[@NoelRCrawford]

Charge the battery to 80% when idling for 95 mins and use 1.5 litres of fuel. Very efficient. Will use more fuel when driving in charge mode. Afraid of car theft when idling unattended? Use both keys. One inside the car to let it run and one to lock and unlock after charging. Have used this three times and charge gives a t least 65 km in 95 mins and little fuel use - won't register on fuel gauge. I regularly get 85 km per charge using one pedal driving, ev mode, eco, and adaptive cruise which will stop the car when another vehicle in front.

[@ihikebc2295]

@@NoelRCrawford Is there no remote start which can be used to run the engine without the key? Also, would you know how much more fuel you would use if using the charge mode while driving?

[@NoelRCrawford]

Hi ihikebc. I don't know of a remote start but if you look at my reply of 3 months ago it tells of a alternative. The car will charge to 80% in 90 mins at idle. I've done it and it used about 1.5- 1.75 litres. The other method is charging while driving. Using normal mode the car will still be in hybrid mode and can charge simultaneously and will use 2 litres of fuel under 90kph. Best way is to go into parallel mode which is tarmac on the dial and charge. That way the engine will engage, mild hybrid will be used and charge will take about 45 mins. Use when travelling 100kph+ for charging. In normal hybrid mode while charging the battery on the go under 100kph or just at 100kph you will get about 9l/100 kms but when not charging in normal mode you'll get 5.5 l/100kms. ALWAYS USE ACC TO GET THE BEST OUT OF THE CAR IN ELECTRIC OR HYBRID. Ive not tried driving in power mode except for 15 or so secs at a time as there is too much power delivered when not needed. The car when in EV or normal mode will deliver oodles of power when demanded. Hope this helps- ask more info if you wish

[@MJT-DA]

Does it tell you when it switches between gas and ev?

[@mr.mitsubishi]

Yes, it does on the main screen

[@discoboy514]

I believe the heat will come when it's plugged in 220v not 110v, I heard that somewhere

[@andremcamara3120]

Heat will come on in pre-heat mode with Level 1 or Level 2 (120vac or 240vac) but only when using the the App or set in Timer Mode by the car screen. Car does not need to be plugged in to pre-heat or pre-cool the car as long as there is sufficient charge in main battery. (To clarify)

[@Salesmanwithasleeve]

@@andremcamara3120 and furthermore, if you're attached to a level 2- it will come from Grid, from level 1, it will be from the drive battery.

[@andremcamara3120]

@@Salesmanwithasleeve Most of the Energy needed to power the resistive heater will come from the Grid, yes but not all, I do not believe. From what I have read the Resistive Heater consumes 4kw But since the Max charging rate of the Outlander uis limited to 3.8kw. at least 200 watts will still come from the Main Battery. But most of the Energy required will come from the grid, yes.

[@SPMech1]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@mr.mitsubishi]

:)

[@AttardFamilyChannel]

Stop saying “basically”

[@chriscoronel]

Essentially

[@andremcamara3120]

Basically, Mr Mitsubishing is learning about this car, and is basically reporting his hands on experience. Come on man...

[@mr.mitsubishi]

Essentially I could say less basically :) Noted.

[@chriscoronel]

@@mr.mitsubishi 😂😂 keep up the great work tho! I’ve installed all my PHEV’s accessories just by watching your videos. Thank you!

[@jackp2563]

Decent car too bad it’s so ugly. I mean the back looks cool but the fugly oversized headlamps killed it for me. Possibly least attractive SUV on the Canadian market now.

[@LowOnCash]

Ugly . . . . the car is so different and unique your not capable of offering an opinion. A RAV4 is ugly because it looks exactly like a thousand other SUV's, The Outlander is Bold and different - Love it! Mike

[@adamcoe]

says you buddy. i think it looks like an awesome spaceship and i actually really dig the location of the lamps as they are far less likely to blind other drivers, yet still remain effective. if anything the back is the most boring part and looks like every other SUV/crossover out there. front looks bold and cool and not for nothing, also features kick ass motorized headlamp washers on the higher trims.