2023 RMDs Waived for Non-spouse Beneficiaries Subject To The 10-Year Rule

There has been a lot of confusion surrounding the required minimum distribution (RMD) rules for non-spouse, beneficiaries that inherited IRAs and 401(k) accounts subject to the new 10 Year Rule. This has left many non-spouse beneficiaries questioning whether or not they are required to take an RMD from their inherited retirement account prior to December 31, 2023. Here is the timeline of events leading up to that answer.......
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[@danielseverson397]

best explanation I have heard about this confusing topic. Is there a proposed formula if the plan goes forward in 2024. I have seen a formula that takes into account: 1 the deceased persons date of birth, 2- the deceased persons date of death, 3- the inheritors date of birth, and then calculates a demominator that when applied to the value of the ira on 12/31/23 and that is the amount to take our as a RMD for inherited ira for 2024. The bank issuing the ira to my bank to recieve the ira are kind of saying take out 10% of the value of the ira until something is finalized in 2024. Waiting to see how IRS acts in 2024.

[@stephtraveler7378]

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[@travisthompson3700]

This is big clarification…

[@petefellwock5741]

Assuming the RMD's are required for a non-spousal inherited IRA, can you describe how that RMD is calculated? We do fit under the 10 year rule. My sister and I are beneficiaries of my father's IRA and have already taken an RMD in 2023. We wish to take an amount of at least the RMD for 2024, but the financial agent has told us we need to have a CPA give us the RMD amount. What factors are we using other than the value on Dec 31, 2023 to calculate an RMD for 2024?

[@greenbushfinancialgroup]

Vanguard has a very easy to use calculator for RMD’s. Here is the link: inherited-rmd-calculator.web.vanguard.com/ There a number of factors: the decedents date of birth, their date of death, your date of birth, your relation to the decedent, and the previous year 12/31 balance. I’m my opinion, you do not need a CPA to calculate an RMD. (This comment is for education. Not advice) #gfg

[@joyblevins8712]

My brother passed 2021 and he's only 2years older than me. He was 59yrs old. Do i have 10yrs to withdraw from the 401k funds he left for me or am i exempt to the 10 year rule

[@greenbushfinancialgroup]

You would be exempt from the 10 year rule because you were not more than 10 years younger than him which is one of the exceptions to the new rule. But the 401k would need to be moved to an inherited IRA in your name by 12/31 of the year following his passing to qualify for the stretch provision. (Comment for education. Not advice) #gfg

[@drbassface]

Thanks but I am not on the ten year rule, I inherited my nsb Ira in 2004. I already take RMDs each year. But I’m under 72… If I pass away prior to age 72, would my beneficiary have to take rmd’s for the 10 year rule…first 9 years, then depletion by the close of ten years…?

[@MultiMike337]

Trying to figure out how to incorporate distributions from my inherited traditional IRA into my 2023 tax return. Some google links indicate that I will need to utilize a Form 8606, some say not to. Also, how can I calculate a basis for the inherited IRA, when I have no historical documents from my mother for it.

[@greenbushfinancialgroup]

If distributions are made from an inherited IRA, they are typically recorded via a 1099R tax form with a code 4 for a “ death distribution”. Basis for an inherited IRA is irrelevant, because all distributions from a pretax inherited IRA or taxable to the beneficiary, non taxable inherited Roth IRAs. (This response is for education. Not advice.)

[@drbassface]

What about when I pass on my current Non Spousal Bene IRA I currently have from my deceased Mother? My daughter is my beneficiary. It would be great to have here convert ALL of it to a Roth…superseding the annual Roth contribution limit. Any advice.

[@greenbushfinancialgroup]

Inherited iras are not eligible for Roth conversions. Also, when someone passes away with an inherited IRA subject to the 10 year rule, the 10 years does not reset for their beneficiary, their beneficiary has the same 10 year time frame to deplete that inherited ira. (Education. Not advice)

[@reverendblkgrape1]

So if a parent was taking an RMD, does that mean I have to take at least the same RMD amount annually or do I base the RMD on my age on the IRS Single Life Expectancy Table?

[@greenbushfinancialgroup]

We are still waiting for guidance from the IRS on RMD for beneficiaries if the decedent passed away after their RMD begin date. More to come in 2024

[@danielseverson397]

GREAT question. Same situation. The formula I have seen seems to indicate a lessor amount than what your parent was using as a calculator.

[@bonanzatime]

I assume if the inherited retirement account is a Roth IRA, then there will be no required RMDs because the original owner didn't have RMDs because RMDs are not required with original Roth IRAs. So the non-spouse beneficiaries can keep the inherited Roth IRA whole, undisturbed for the whole 10 years, at which point the account must be liquidated and closed; but not until the 10th year.. That's basically what Ed Slott says, what do you think. I have no idea what the IRpeSt thinks.

[@paul94040]

Nyah, I inherited a Roth IRA and have to take RMD's, but this was before the Secure Acts. I'm trying to understand if these IRS rules apply moving forward, or are retroactive to existing inherited IRA's (and inherited Roth IRA's)

[@greenbushfinancialgroup]

Without any additional guidance from the IRS, I would agree with Ed Slott’s interpretation of the inherited Roth where no RMD’s would be required within the 10 year rule because there is no RMD start date for the decedent. (Comment is for education. Not advice) #gfg

[@greenbushfinancialgroup]

Roth IRA’s pre-Secure Act do still have to take RMD’s or any non-spouse beneficiary eligible for the stretch provision post Secure Act would also be required to take an annual RMD. When the Secure Act was passed it introduced the new 10 year rule, and the IRS is still undecided as to whether or not RMD’s will be required DURING the 10 year period. (Comment for education. Not advice) #gfg

[@bonanzatime]

@greenbushfinancialgroup I like Ed Slott's, Motley Fool's, and your interpretations. I would like to hear confirmation from the irs soon. My father passed away in 2021, and this whole bs situation is ridiculous. And it's affecting what I can or can't do with the account. I would be in a much better situation now if this was clear over 2 years ago. This is ridiculous! And I'm getting tired of it! ..if I could sue congress and the irs I would. they more than deserve it. .... There's No Legitimate Good Reason Why they would require RMDs for Inherited Roth IRAs! THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY TAXES FROM IT! They're getting all that from inherited traditional IRA's! Stupid Bastards.

[@keithmachado-pp6fv]

There is no confusion on the Roth issue. IRS regulations are clear that under the 10 year rule there are no RMDs during years 1 through 9. In addition, the IRS has waived penalties for traditional IRA’s subject to 10 year rule RMDs for 2021 through 2024 (all RMDs were waived in 2020 due to COVID).