2024 Hyundai Kona VS Kia Seltos || Why You Should Think Twice

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@colindavis9305
@colindavis9305 10 ай бұрын
I have a 24 Kona SE AWD. It has the 2.0, which gets up to speed no problem. I also have a spare tire in my car as well, that came with it. Maybe in Canada it doesn’t, but mine does. Also, mine doesn’t have the stalk shifter. It has one on the floor. Now, if the car had the convenience package, sure it would have the shifter you mentioned. Hyundai/Kia also had THE BEST warranty you can get on a vehicle.
@aleder9917
@aleder9917 9 күн бұрын
My kona limited 1 .6 l is fabulous all convenience are great. Good mileage quiet ride and responsive lo e it. Heating is fa blouse. Baby tucson. All bells and whistles. Love love love it. Automatic rear opening. Hot and cold seats. Great warm steering wheel.
@prabhwalia.
@prabhwalia. Жыл бұрын
I think you're the first youtuber who makes car reviews according to buyers prospective. Other guys just shows the positive points of cars
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Being a consultant and helping buyers every day, I guess I learned the things they really care about most.
@andrewelburton1
@andrewelburton1 Жыл бұрын
Hi Shari, you stand out from the car reviewer crowd by providing really balanced, factual assessments that consider reliability issues. Never stop, and thank you for your service.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much 🙏
@dwadd7528
@dwadd7528 Жыл бұрын
most of tire problems come down to meal they use. they get steels and other meals form thire own subsidiaries. and they are not the best to say the least. other car makers buy them from specialized manufactures.
@billdyer9443
@billdyer9443 8 ай бұрын
Damn. I've ordered a Kona N-Line 2.0L in Soultronic Orange which made it look quite outstanding. Other people said that they thought the 2.0L a better engine but unfortunately you made a lot of sense. It does come with a full size spare wheel here in NZ and 19" wheels as well. In my case it costs too much to go to the N-Line 1.6L Turbo AWD. Perhaps I'll win the lottery? Thanks for the review.
@echodude9684
@echodude9684 3 ай бұрын
I totally understand the point and it’s well taken that the Hyundai / Kia 2.0 L engines have caught fire. But it should also be noted that Kona or Seltos models specifically have not been recalled for engine fires. I think it’s fair to point that out
@rafaelgomez1989
@rafaelgomez1989 9 ай бұрын
Excellent REVIEW = APPRECIATE THE POINT OUT NEGATIVES AS THE POSITIVES ARE ALWAYS WELCOM...GREAT CONTENT !!!
@ManoloTakamoto
@ManoloTakamoto 9 ай бұрын
Another very affordable option that was not mentioned is the Eclipse Cross. I know a lot of people completely dump on Mitsubishi for many reasons, but they are not bad cars. They are reliable (at least in my case) won’t break your wallet if you’re looking for a good amount of tech and safety for…..not Toyota prices 😅 hope this helps
@jraheemjefcoat429
@jraheemjefcoat429 Жыл бұрын
Hyundai owner here! Car is almost 7 years old with no major problems, what so ever! It’s actually one of the most reliable car I ever own.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Great to hear. Thanks for sharing!
@KeyLucid
@KeyLucid 8 ай бұрын
Cannot speak for cars that are garaged but non-garaged cars are definitely victims of RUST & CORROSION @ 8+yrs. Which is why Kia's 7 yr warranty for these issues is seven years! My last two cars (not garaged) both at age eight plus suffered from underbody corrosion. Current vehicle now has New Transmission pan new gasket new bolts /Oil pan the same also Water pump and the entire Exhaust system is either replaced or soon to be. NJ weather tho not extreme just may be too variable on those metal components.
@denys-p
@denys-p 2 ай бұрын
Eh, I have 21 y.o. Santa Fe and it still works well. Yes, there is some rust there, but it is outdoors car and at this age it is pretty inevitable
@dannyboy8850
@dannyboy8850 Жыл бұрын
Great that you presented the both the pro and con of the two vehicles as well as the alternatives. Job well done.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@silver33
@silver33 11 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the Corolla Cross is way much more expensive than these vehicles. Also good luck finding them since the dealers don't stock a lot of them and charges way above MSRP.
@gorambo
@gorambo 10 ай бұрын
Why do you think they're hard to get? Probably a good reason to get one, You should expand your search to other markets it might be worth the time and effort.
@CollinMac96
@CollinMac96 7 ай бұрын
@@gorambothey are hard to get because Toyota does not inventory many at their dealerships. That allows more demand than supply so they can sell 7k above msrp
@paulroman3402
@paulroman3402 7 ай бұрын
@@CollinMac96 you're absolutely right, I stopped looking at Toyotas simply because their allocation policy sucks, not to mention Toyota, Honda and Mazda nickel and dime you to death. Last month I nearly purchased a CX-30, the trim and accessories I wanted totaled 38,500, the Kona I am looking at is more loaded at 3,500 less, plus the Kona has a much larger cargo area. Not to mention the Toyota Cross comes with a CVT, enough said.
@CollinMac96
@CollinMac96 7 ай бұрын
@@paulroman3402 Toyota cvts are better than others but it’s still a cvt. I was looking at the cx30 and Corolla cross but they were both in the high 30s or low 40s. I settled with a Kia seltos xline for 29.5k out the door. Sure the engine may not last nearly as long but at least they don’t **** me on the price
@CollinMac96
@CollinMac96 7 ай бұрын
@@paulroman3402 I got a Kia seltos fully loaded with awd for 28 out the door. Originally I was looking at the Corolla cross but only mid and top trims were available and dealers wanted between 34-38k
@ns123
@ns123 Жыл бұрын
As usual, this is a simple and to-the-point review and advice, Thank you.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Killswitch1411
@Killswitch1411 7 ай бұрын
Never had a problem getting up to speed to merge onto the highway. Upselling that extra power. My 2024 Konda SEL has a spare tire.
@gorambo
@gorambo 10 ай бұрын
I was going to get a Kona but now I'm going for the less sexy Corolla Cross, thanks. All good points in this video.
@milestraysandor5901
@milestraysandor5901 Жыл бұрын
These cars made a lot more sense when they could undercut the big boys by a few thousand and still provide most of what you were looking for. Now that they're mostly about the same price you really have to wonder if it's worth it. Or just buy a used Toyota/Honda/Mazda and call it a day.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
The pricing for these now is kind of crazy. The last Corolla Cross Hybrid XSE I reviewed was cheaper than both.
@harrisonchr
@harrisonchr 11 ай бұрын
Where can you buy a Corolla Cross XSE Hybrid for cheaper than a Seltos? I am looking at a 2024 Seltos EX Premium for $36k while the Corolla goes for $41k (at least according to AutoTrader and the Toyota website).
@SeatoSky1111
@SeatoSky1111 7 ай бұрын
Really helpful review. So grateful I found you tonight. I'm going to check out one of the others you listed and VW Tiguan/Taos. Thanks so much. Cheers from Seattle.
@k.s.obrien9459
@k.s.obrien9459 Жыл бұрын
You provide the best car reviews, thank you!
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much
@craigo2142
@craigo2142 Жыл бұрын
I've heard a lot of fluff about these from other reviewers. Nice to get what felt like an honest review. Also, for just a bit more $, you could get a base Lexus UX that should last and be extremely reliable. Have to add, I really like the look of the Kona but I won't buy anything but a decently powered hybrid.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Yes when you look past the fluff and fancy tech/design, the real substance/value is a bit questionable.
@emmanuelangelakis2569
@emmanuelangelakis2569 11 ай бұрын
I'm currently in the same position; cross shopping the UX with the two Koreans. While I've yet to take the UX on a test drive, headroom is barely acceptable; and that's without the sunroof! The perceived quality, and fit finish though, are impressive!
@randisney
@randisney 10 ай бұрын
=Not sure I would consider almost $10,000 more over the base model of each of these vehicles "just a bit more". That's a pretty significant price difference.
@AwDudeIDontKnow
@AwDudeIDontKnow 9 ай бұрын
​@@randisneyindeed indeed
@daveh893
@daveh893 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a very informative video. I would consider the Corolla Cross or HRV but supplies in my area are limited and the dealer mark-ups are still there. I like the look of the Seltos more than the Kona, but both are nice looking cars.
@Steve_in_NJ
@Steve_in_NJ Жыл бұрын
Hopefully, I'm able to get no Toyota markups from my local dealership, as we already purchased a 2023 Camry from them and I'll make sure to let them know that IF they want a 2nd sale from this household, no funny business on a 2024 Corolla Cross XSE Hybrid!
@moeanthony9308
@moeanthony9308 Жыл бұрын
@@Steve_in_NJ good luck with that.
@jackmemphis777
@jackmemphis777 11 ай бұрын
​@@Steve_in_NJthey already got you on one sale, sounds like they are about to get you on another 😂
@worrywart1311
@worrywart1311 7 ай бұрын
Excellent coverage of all the key points in a tight time-frame.
@theadvocate4698
@theadvocate4698 Жыл бұрын
Great and fair info! I really liked it!
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@melvinjacobs2328
@melvinjacobs2328 Жыл бұрын
I bought a 2024 Chevrolet Equinox LT for under $30,000.00. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles, but us larger, with a more comfortable ride. It also gives about the same mileage. It doesn't fit what you are talking about, mostly because it isn't Japanese or Korean. My wife had a CR-V, and we both hated it. With the CVT transmission, at highway speeds we could hardly have a conversation due to engine noise. This was a 2022.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you got a great price. Hope you enjoy it!
@jackmemphis777
@jackmemphis777 11 ай бұрын
Do y'all mumble when y'all talk? I've had a Honda CVT transmission for years and can have a conversation on the highway just fine. I've heard some people say it's loud, but that's a stretch to say you can't even have a conversation 😂
@Ricky-mo6mv
@Ricky-mo6mv 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, the CR-V is one of those vehicles people buy because they think they want a vehicle that lasts them 15 years. Then they end up in a boring vehicle that they don’t like and sell it anyway.
@ivanwashington3186
@ivanwashington3186 10 ай бұрын
my niece's '23 seltos absorbs big country bumps pretty well, compared to my CRV.
@Ricky-mo6mv
@Ricky-mo6mv 10 ай бұрын
The Seltos kicks ass. I had a 2021 Seltos SX turbo that I leased. It was solid as a rock and I used to get lots of compliments.
@DailyLifeOfRealtor
@DailyLifeOfRealtor Ай бұрын
I enjoyed your video. How can I buy a 2023/2025 Knoa at the rock-bottom price? I will be deciding between Knoa & toyota corolla crossover
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Ай бұрын
I would recommend the Corolla Cross because it's the safest most reliable choice. Buy one brand new because used ones are overpriced. Shop around and do not pay more than MSRP.
@jeffreylemire9493
@jeffreylemire9493 7 ай бұрын
Just purchased a 2024 Kia Seltos EX which means it has the 2.0 with cvt so hopefully kia has worked out the problems with the engine. The warranty is outstanding and the dealership gives a lifetime power train warranty so we will see if kia and the dealership stand behind their products. If they do then kia has the best value out there right now. We got a 2000 dollar trade in allowance and about 1800 dollars in other incentives which most dealerships don't offer. Something to keep in mind folks!
@MegaLighthouse
@MegaLighthouse 5 ай бұрын
I bought a new 2019 Kona and had two years very good car then but i ended up with trading it for 2018 CHR and later a 2015 Rav4. I stick with RAV4 for awhile now after 2 years. Still satisfied.
@qphase49
@qphase49 5 ай бұрын
Bought a Mazda CX-30 off lease with 8k miles. My wife loves it.
@electronicland7214
@electronicland7214 4 ай бұрын
Hello Sir, thanks for being honest with us! Do you intend on doing a comparison between these two and the Kia Niro? I'm looking for a descent replacement for my CX30. Thanks for your help
@nani5302
@nani5302 Жыл бұрын
What do you think about Mazdas e-skyactive g engines with the mild hybrid system?
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
The PHEV is excellent no concerns. The 6-cyl mild hybrid is a new engine so reliability is unknown, but Mazda's are generally very well made and the performance is superb.
@PedroMaycock
@PedroMaycock 6 ай бұрын
Toyota and Honda have had recalls recently. Despite Hyundai and Kia’s reliability, it’s still down to owners personal care of the vehicle. Don’t listen to the dealerships change your oil every 5000 miles rather than 8/10,000 miles
@Wael4You
@Wael4You Жыл бұрын
Great job always waiting for you Please I’m waiting for the new Santa Fe
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
I will review it as soon as I can 👍
@smartman123
@smartman123 Жыл бұрын
man your videos very direct 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@denys-p
@denys-p 2 ай бұрын
I think there are few inaccuracies here. First of all, 2L engine doesn’t feel underpowered (and on highway merges too) even after 3.5L Santa Fe. Secondly, for 1.6T engine there is some noticeable turbo lag. Also, turbine inherently less reliable and needs more maintenance (idle for some time in the end, change oil more frequently). Didn’t feel any jerkiness with CVT. Stalk shifter in Kona is a trim specifics - Sport or (maybe) Ultimate has it, others have regular shifter. Also, I’m pretty sure that prices for Canada are incorrect. Kona Preferred AWD costs 39.5k all taxes (15% Nova Scotia HST, one of the highest around Canada) and fees included. Preferred is about 3.5k over Essential and AWD costs 2k more. So, for lower trim it would be around 34k or even slightly less, not 37
@Twix_loves_domo
@Twix_loves_domo Жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the 4xe and its recalls ?
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't trust the reliability and they aren't even that efficient. At the very most, I would only lease one for 3-4 years only if you are getting an amazing lease deal.
@black.bird.
@black.bird. 4 ай бұрын
What a coincidence! I just saw a video yesterday of Kia vehicle catching fire while driving, which I think is rare, but I know the cause now, huh 😅 This video is valuable. It should be bookmarked. Thanks
@7motion985
@7motion985 9 ай бұрын
After watching all konas 2024 youtube videos its very difficult to hear new info ,you were able to accomplish that Thank you fir you valuable video
@moeanthony9308
@moeanthony9308 Жыл бұрын
Why suggest 1.6 turbo? Off the blocks thats one more moving part for issues.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
The 2.0L is super slow and it's hard to trust it's reliability with a 10+ year history of engine fires/failures. The turbo also gets an 8-speed auto instead of a CVT.
@jbar_85
@jbar_85 5 ай бұрын
In America, I found the suspension on the FWD models very sloppy. I read that the AWD models have better suspension. I didn’t want AWD so I only have FWD and they only put the crappy cheap suspension even the Limited model with the 1.6 Turbo.
@IndraneelUpponi
@IndraneelUpponi 10 ай бұрын
Aren't the turbo engines thirsty for gas? Why not buy Tucson or Sportage base model instead of spending 40k+ on a Seltos/Kona with turbo engine?
@waynewilliams1487
@waynewilliams1487 6 ай бұрын
Kona has more ground clearance because of its larger rims in the top trim. The 360. Cam on Kona is missing on Seltos SX, but Seltos had fog lights I’d rather have a 360 cam than fog lights so Kona’s limited beats Seltos SX
@JG90984
@JG90984 Жыл бұрын
What about Subaru Crosstrek or one of these?
@kevinW826
@kevinW826 11 ай бұрын
Subaru all day. I bought a used 2019 Crosstrek for my wife at the end of November and I got the dealership to throw in a no time limit 200,000 km warranty that covers every mechanical piece.
@Ricky-mo6mv
@Ricky-mo6mv 10 ай бұрын
If you want to feel like you are driving in a matchbox, the Crosstrek would be a good choice. If you want the feel of a real SUV, great looks, and tech, go for the Seltos turbo.
@GordGrant-g6o
@GordGrant-g6o 7 ай бұрын
After watching this, I think I will go with the Kona. Up until watching this I was for the Kia. Thanks for the info
@Background_Checker
@Background_Checker 6 ай бұрын
Not a difficult decision for me, just purchased a Steel Grey 2024 Seltos. The fact Kia upped their warranty to 5 years or 150,000km says to me it's a step in the right direction.
@bw4316
@bw4316 6 ай бұрын
I am so glad I watched this before buying a Kona. No spare tire is 100% bullshit and a deal-killer. I have changed 3 tires with toddlers on the side of the road. Waiting hours with family to pay hundreds to a tow truck, to save Hyundai $90 is not something I'm willing to do.
@bw4316
@bw4316 6 ай бұрын
EDIT: All other videos show the Kona **does** have a spare tire.
@jbar_85
@jbar_85 5 ай бұрын
The 1.6 Turbo sounded like it was going to explode when I gunned it in testing.
@ronaldcarnevale3424
@ronaldcarnevale3424 Жыл бұрын
I have 22 kona.on lease. Hearing you here, may toss me over to one of the crossovers like Corolla Cross etc. However I've also been thinking of the Tucson
@Ricky-mo6mv
@Ricky-mo6mv 10 ай бұрын
Don’t think of the Tucson, just get it. It’s a masterpiece and you will thank yourself daily. I have had the 2023 Limited ICE since July and it’s amazing.
@daytona3927
@daytona3927 5 ай бұрын
Seeing how I lease all the time, I'd probably go for the Kona.
@yassroa
@yassroa 10 ай бұрын
it looks like a commercial than an actual reviewer.
@SteeperMouse40
@SteeperMouse40 5 ай бұрын
But the turbo versions are way costly
@Shockiiie247
@Shockiiie247 10 ай бұрын
KIA Seltos 2.0 Engine is more than enough to power Urban City driving.
@Liberty-KIA-BobBrooks-NJ
@Liberty-KIA-BobBrooks-NJ 2 ай бұрын
GO KIA SELTOS!❤Bob from Liberty Kia Ramsey NJ
@user-pd8bk4ei1h
@user-pd8bk4ei1h Жыл бұрын
Where is that neighbourhood your driving through cause in the gta they would cost $10 million😊
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
It's a secret 🤫
@Steve_in_NJ
@Steve_in_NJ Жыл бұрын
Hi Shari! Did you actually listen to one of my previous comments about reviewing the new Kona? 😂 But I'm with you. The 1.6L Turbo is the engine to get. However, even with retiring the DCT and going with a "normal" A/T, the MPG is really AWFUL for a crossover in this class. I may be doing a 3-year lease, but I could later decide to buy the car as I'm getting older and may want to keep the vehicle for 10 years instead of leasing again and again. I love the "Star Wars" tech in the new Kona, but I'm ready to ditch Hyundai -- no engine fires now, but what about in 2025 -- and go with the best hybrid vehicles in the world, Toyota!!! Still considering getting a 2024 Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid in the XSE model as for about the same price as the Kona, but I would get AWD and about 42 mpg (yes, 42!) which is almost TWICE what the Kona AWD Limited offers. Thanks again for a great video. Oh, and I may have to check out the Kia Niro now as I was unaware of that model. But Kia dealerships in my area don't have good reputations and their service departments are even worse.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner Жыл бұрын
I think if you get the Corolla Cross Hybrid you won't regret it. It doesn't have all the fancy gizmos of the Kona but in the long run you'll be the winner 🏆
@Steve_in_NJ
@Steve_in_NJ Жыл бұрын
@@carhelpcorner You are right about the Toyota CCH lacking in the "Wow" factor, but the inside is similar to my current 2022 Kona Limited and I could live with that! I am hoping that 6-8 months lead time is enough to get my 2024 CCH in time for my October end of lease.
@Steve_in_NJ
@Steve_in_NJ 8 ай бұрын
@@carhelpcorner Been going back and forth with Toyota and have decided NOT to get a Toyota. Now, I'm seriously considering a 2024 KIA Niro SX Touring PHEV! Not a full EV, not a gas engine alone, but the best of both worlds. Liking the look inside and out of the KIA more than the Kona now. A couple friends looked and told me they think the Kona looks like a tank more than a SUV. If only Hyundai made a hybrid version... oh wait! They DO, just not for the U.S. and Canadian market. Well, a KIA is still a Hyundai product.
@lbhb99
@lbhb99 2 ай бұрын
Your comment about the negative reviews for Kia dealerships & service depts in your area got my attention. I found the same to be true in my area. Is there a pattern here? I'm likely going to consider other manufacturers instead.
@Steve_in_NJ
@Steve_in_NJ 2 ай бұрын
@@lbhb99 My post was so outdated! I took a lease back in May of a new KIA Niro EV for less than any of the hybrids or Kona (ugly) vehicles. I drove a bit further out for the KIA dealership, who actually gave me a good deal but the local KIA store gets * reviews on yelp all the time!
@samhawthorne7517
@samhawthorne7517 5 ай бұрын
I have a Kona SEL and for a daily driver, it’s perfectly fine. The 2.0 and IVT work great together. I don’t put much stock into this review, unfortunately.
@waynewilliams1487
@waynewilliams1487 6 ай бұрын
Mechanically identical? Kona is 300 lbs heavier when comparing top trims and Kona has more ground clearance while Seltos has more HP? This is why I question the “ identical” label
@Bigboybobs1997
@Bigboybobs1997 Жыл бұрын
My 2024 kona sel convenience has a spare
@nathanbyd570
@nathanbyd570 Жыл бұрын
Trust me, get the CX-30 instead. you can thank me later.
@alishakerian1173
@alishakerian1173 10 ай бұрын
It's small
@sherrytaylor5046
@sherrytaylor5046 Жыл бұрын
The made the Kona ugly and it was a nice looking car. I was thinking of getting one but not now.
@jackmemphis777
@jackmemphis777 11 ай бұрын
It looks amazing imo
@rinbine2713
@rinbine2713 Жыл бұрын
He isn't a car reviewer. He is a paper work car reviewer. I think that He didn't drive the cars. Why? It is not similar. Seltos used 2nd generation platform. Kona used 3rd generation platform.
@Salmiyaguy1
@Salmiyaguy1 2 ай бұрын
the Kona is much prettier , the KIA's styling is more everyday.
@LunasRa
@LunasRa 4 ай бұрын
The F you talking about, the Kona 2.0 drives just fine and has plenty of power, drove it a few times, and I would buy it over any Honda/Toyota. Your expertise is fake buddy.
@fredradatz9575
@fredradatz9575 11 ай бұрын
I like mine
@bigbadjohnpesek9894
@bigbadjohnpesek9894 10 күн бұрын
I stay away from any SUV with a 4 cyl engine.
@bratwurstmaxxehaxxe5315
@bratwurstmaxxehaxxe5315 5 ай бұрын
they are not attractive at all......no sporty nothing dangerous nothing special abbout them the hyundai looks like a chrisler pt-cruiser from behind in white color
@dridi5964
@dridi5964 4 ай бұрын
For that price i buy a Nissan frontier pro 4X instead of that toy
@zydrunasnormaliai6997
@zydrunasnormaliai6997 Жыл бұрын
Hyunai Kona or Kia Seltos? hyunai Kona. But Toyota, Honda, Mazda or Subaru are better coice. And my coice would be Toyota of cource
@jonbon4210
@jonbon4210 7 ай бұрын
Choice
@zydrunasnormaliai6997
@zydrunasnormaliai6997 7 ай бұрын
@@jonbon4210 My mistake🤣
@islanddon865
@islanddon865 Жыл бұрын
JUST SAY NO!!! (Buy a Honda or a Toyota)😂
@moeanthony9308
@moeanthony9308 Жыл бұрын
Ya it would have saved the review
@MariaK-gc4sp
@MariaK-gc4sp 11 ай бұрын
If I had money for those I'd
@moeanthony9308
@moeanthony9308 11 ай бұрын
@@MariaK-gc4sp chuck them in the trash bin?
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