2024 NFL Defensive Line Rankings | PFF NFL Show

[@erickogen5010]

I wasn't sure it was possible but they finally said something positive about the Raiders without bursting into flames

[@LionsOnTheHunt313]

Hutch 6'7 270 - All Pro potential Reader 6'3 335 - Pro Bowl potential Alim 6'2 310 - All Pro potential Davenport 6'6 265 - Pro Bowl potential That's some SERIOUS 💪

[@basher5107]

So you have potential?

[@joshmiller6421]

@@basher5107 well alim and hutch are just proven good. reader depends on injury, davenport im not really having high hopes for. I think its more likely to get a good season out of james houston coming off his injury.

[@LionsOnTheHunt313]

@@basher5107 Yes, ELITE potential 💯

[@hemlock1013]

Cominsky, pascal, Betts, Levi O, Martin, Wingo all add depth to a solid line with hutch, Davenport/houston, McNeil, reader. Should be fun to see how they develop as a line throughout the season. Injuries will occur however the depth they have and have added is very nice to see.

[@LionsOnTheHunt313]

@@hemlock1013 I think Commish might be on the hot seat, Houston too even though I hate to say it. Love what we've heard about Wingo and very interested in Mitchell Agude if he makes the team.

[@httr94]

As a Washington fan, the Giants D line seems pretty scary with Lawrence plus Burns & Thibodeaux

[@LionsOnTheHunt313]

Lawrence is a MONSTER, Burns is very good, and Thibodaux is an overrated DIVA at DE

[@robmart116]

Mostly due to Lawrence, Burns and Thibodeux are pretty overrated especially Thibodeux

[@MNZGamin]

Dexter is otherworldly elite, Burns is good but way overrated, and Thibodeaux is average at best

[@ront3333]

The Lions have got some nasty trench warfare going on this season.

[@LionsOnTheHunt313]

Hutch 6'7 270 Reader 6'3 335 Alim 6'2 310 Davenport 6'6 265 That's some SERIOUS 💪

[@joshlewis575]

Those 1st 3 being such units makes me think Houston sees the field a ton. If I'm the d line coach I'm lining reader up next to Houston to give him help in the run game. Can't wait to actually see consistent pressure with others not named Hutchinson. They're gonna be so good. 9 Sundays left

[@Jonkaplerlionsfan]

Davi port has to stay healthy...go lions ​@@LionsOnTheHunt313

[@Jdmerrill1986]

​@joshlewis575 Houston played his way down the roster last season before the injury. If he is able to rebound from that "sophomore slump," then yes.

[@ChillyWillLee]

1:02:15 Raiders

[@ronaldmorgan7632]

Tyree Wilson is now healthy and looks like a monster. If he breaks out this season, and you add super subs John Jenkins and Adam Butler in the middle, the Raiders could easily have a top five defensive line instead #9. It's a wait and see.

[@dreprofit84]

Steve really hates Tyree Wilson and pushes Sam to show same support when he starts using the grades Tyree got this rookie year. Steve been on that hype when he was coming out and wants to swear he’s right. But as a raider fan, the eye test on how he played towards the end speaks more than trying to live and die by numbers.Tyree was coming off a foot injury and surgery. Him in a room with Maxx John sheesh all them guys with AP coaching Rob Ryan all these greats looks like it’s impacting him. And how they schemed him to go inside sometimes too. It showed. Steve take is just bad against him

[@keahnsards]

Raiders have the best DL in the league imo

[@colecaine.]

@@dreprofit84if you watched Tyree’s COLLEGE film, you’d understand why PFF is generally down on the guy. He was 23 going into the draft without a solid pass rush plan.

[@anthonyhankes7599]

⁠@@dreprofit84You clearly don’t watch ball…. Even for your own team. Y’all mid round pick replaced him in the lineup and they moved him inside where he barely showed improvement. If you don’t know your own players don’t speak upon them

[@dreprofit84]

@@anthonyhankes7599 you don’t know what I do to speak on my piece. You don’t watch our team. No one replaced Tyree at all. He never started. He wasn’t replaced by koonce. Koonce is a 3rd year player that took chandler jones starting in the lineup when he went off the Fritz. Look up the starts . And Tyree moved inside and actually did do well. With pressures and sacks. So I know my team you just speaking silly

[@MZeternally]

If Koonce stays on the trajectory he was on the second half of last year, Raiders are easily top 3, if not 1

[@LionsOnTheHunt313]

@@MZeternally I like Koonce... y'all like Koonce??? Sure do 🙂

[@ScottsdaleTrojan]

@@LionsOnTheHunt313raider fan here. He’s a solid pass rusher. I’d like to see what he could put together with a full season of starting. His run defense is questionable though. With the question marks regarding Koonce and the question marks at DT opposite Wilkins it’s hard to say the raiders are forsure a top 3 D line. I’d say they are definitely top 5 though

[@markhillis1249]

Pressures = Heck of a play! + Better prediction of sacks than sacks Sacks = worse predictor of pressures and sacks

[@kevingrams3809]

Love it when you guys go analytical like this

[@ReallyGotMotion]

Steve looks straight out of dukes of hazard lol

[@TheSpeakEZPodcast]

Lions fan here, happy to see my boys. But I need the time stamp for the Giants cuz wtf 😂

[@stevep2380]

25 minutes

[@BXCDavid]

Steve has elite niche tshirt taste.

[@mausolos8]

Very interesting. Well thought out analysis.

[@tleon858]

49ers are way overrated. Deforest Buckner and Armstread are not on this team anymore. Hargrave is 31. Bosa can't bring it every snap anymore.

[@danielalfano2424]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣uh huh, enjoy watching being wrong all season.

[@Tmindful182]

@@danielalfano2424 You cant objectively see the problems with 49ers defensive line this year?

[@jonmoore4053]

Lmao he said Solomon like he wasn't a big bust. Tell me you don't watch nfl without telling me 😂

[@tleon858]

​​@@jonmoore4053your right, *Deforest Buckner.

[@sprawlz6466]

Leonard Floyd is really freaking good dude

[@FlexileTheWolf]

Im a long time fan and a little disappointed how lazy the podcast has become. They dont even touch on each D-Line wtf? At least have someone on the podcast who actually feel like doing it. Telling us to go read the article is kind of ridiculous

[@rikconant1228]

How can the Bears, who ranked #2 in run D last year w no significant personnel losses be ranked so low?

[@jacobdepriest4754]

Crosby, koonce, Wilson, Jenkins, Butler and other good subs. The raiders will have the best dline in the NFL. Crosby is the best defensive player in football

[@42stek]

haha have fun winning 6 games at best

[@42stek]

crosby is nothing

[@BuckeyeWarrior]

I also believe the Browns are the #1 D line.

[@mourka01]

Texans at 10 let's go 🤘

[@Fortune_88862]

Wait for it Ryans well get them to a top 5 defense this year.

[@904TallerTim]

Wild Jags rank 28th while adding Armstead from the 49ers and they had the most productive sack wise pass rushing dou last season

[@ethanpearson4603]

"Trickeration", nailed it 14:26

[@rp8750]

Titans DL ranked best of the worst, Titans pro bowl DL is the lead off graphic, zero mention of the Titans.

[@yongsangkim3847]

George karlaftis pff number is just 62.0 last year. I don't know what they say about him

[@charles-antoinelafond4655]

They use their score when it suits them.

[@k.r.thunder6401]

HERE WE GO BROWNIES HERE WE GO

[@MichaelLanham-u2d]

I try to follow PFF but I just don't agree with most of their analysis. There are several teams that are rated lower than I would have them based on the players production. Maybe their metrics are telling something else but I'm shaking my head

[@tonyrobertson2428]

Colts really should hve been higher than 7..no team in the league had at least four players on the dline wit 8+ sacks.. And that was from players that still has Alot of upside because of still being soo young.. And ebukam just got the first opportunity to play full time and he had 9.5 and he's just out if his rookie contract as well.. And dayo and Lewis both are still young along with quitty.. And you add in latu and Davis.. That's nothing but good young talent that still has room to prove they can be great.. That is a deep young group with good stats already put on film and they all could make a jump in production this year and that's not even including defo and Grove.. No other team is that deep they only have one to three decent players and if those players get hurt those other teams have no debth at all.. Colts dline coach bout to have fun with this group this year and I can't wait to c it... COLTSNATION is top three easily wit dline.. And we bout to show it.. I'd rather have 8 above avarage players that still has room to get better than two big names all day..

[@ryansmith3000]

our pressure rate sucks which means we get a lot of coverage sacks

[@LawrenceOwen]

@@ryansmith3000 Yet the pass defense was ranked one of, if not the the worst, in the NFL last season. Yet No team in the NFL had more sacks from their defensive line last year, than the Colts. They were missing the dominate edge guy who could force double teams, opening up the rest of the d-line for one on one's. That's why the pressure rate was so low.

[@NPaulBears]

You’ve got the Bears DL ranked appropriately as they stand, you’re overrating their OL a bit, and criminally underrating their secondary

[@jacobwhitehead8117]

this is so disrespectful to titans when the bengals dline has been so ass for so long and they aren’t in the bottom 12

[@jeremiahw1369]

I think the Ravens defensive line is the most underrated unit in the league. They have the best statistics that matter. The sacks, pressures, points allowed, run stopping or whatever. The depth is absolutely unmatched imo. Who else finished first in statistics and got ranked 12th or something?

[@basher5107]

Yeah they should have kept Clowney😂

[@Fortune_88862]

They arent ranking the entire defs just the Dlines and the ravens LBs and DBs have more sacks & pressures then their lineman did last year. The dline only produced 19.5 of their 60 sacks and Madubuike had 13 of them.

[@jeremiahw1369]

@Fortune_88862 The pressure packages can not be used if the defensive line isn't working properly. They stopped the running game to force 3rd and long in the first place, and then are heavily involved in either occupying blockers and then dropping into passing lanes or pocket crushing. To say a defensive line isn't really responsible for leading the league in sacks, imo is madness. Madubuike did have 13 of them himself, but the other guys were all doing the dirty work extremely well to help free something up. Also, the olbs are mostly defensive ends in this situation. They drop into coverage sometimes, but mostly are responsible for wrestling with the tackles like traditional 43 ends. I would like an example of some other defense that led the league in sacks and points allowed and takeaways that were credited more to the scheme than the talent.

[@Fortune_88862]

@@jeremiahw1369 You clearly say the defensive line group is the best and they have the stats that matters above sacks etc to justify why they are the best. Now that iv pointed out its not the dline who actually has the larger percentage of those stats on the defense, You're saying it's not the stats but the impact they have on the rest of the team to get those stats which makes them the best. You just changed the justification and came to the same conclusion lol. Im sure when they rank the DBs groups and the Ravens are ranked high because of all those stats your aren't going to say they should be lower because its actually the dline that makes all those sacks and pressures happen. These rankings are based off the individual ability of every player and their combined grades. They are 12th because while the defense is the best overall in the NFL, that particular group on a player to player basis is not.

[@jeremiahw1369]

@Fortune_88862 I appreciate the debate honestly because your opinion is winning, and I believe mine should. The stats argument is that the defensive line group is responsible for the sacks, takeaways, and points allowed being the best in the league. The secondary level can only be the best if the front end is also the best defense. The job of the defensive line group for the Ravens is not to go get stats. They're 2 gapping and building a solid running wall that the linebackers and dbs can scrape and fill at will. The linemen often sacrifice their own pass rush to free someone else. They have different responsibilities than other front 4 units, but the result of the work was the best defense in the league, and the first one to finish first in points allowed, sacks and takeaways in the same season. This isn't an accomplishment that I associate with the 12th best d line in football. Player for players: A lot of the guys are simply better, bigger, and stronger than the rating services seem to think. Travis Jones, Michael Peirce, and Brent Urban are not guys that get moved off the line of scrimmage. Oweh gets a lot of disrespect because his sack numbers haven't been high, but his win rates and pressures are, and he runs a 4.3. Van Noy had his best season. Tavius Robinson played a lot of good snaps last year. Those guys all have bad madden ratings, but in reality, they have dominated the matches with Cleveland and all pro guards and tackles. If they were getting blocked up front, none of the other playmakers would be able to make the plays.

[@ErikForeman]

Uh where's Jacksonville

[@Harpazoed]

Alim the dream will be a blue chip player by the end of the year. He will be getting paid next year

[@Jonkaplerlionsfan]

Heck yea man. Lions went to work to improve the dfence

[@Harpazoed]

@@Jonkaplerlionsfan 100% BigTime.

[@noland7827]

Steelers only 8th? Bro Watt & Highsmith makes it top 8 by themselves We also got Cam healthy this year + Benton with a year 2 breakout

[@JasonBonney-pu3bd]

The Broncos DEFINITELY don't have the 2nd worst D-Line in the league. There are much worse DE combos than Allen and Myers. Much worse DT combos than Jones and Roach

[@ernieallison3141]

Why do they keep mentioning Chase Young? He flashed as a rook but he really has been a disappointment overall and yeah, injuries have played a part but his work ethic has been questioned as well. No way is he above guys like Hutchinson.

[@mahatmasloth6543]

Skipped the ravens 😢

[@InJeffWeTrustt]

tbh I think the production of the ravens pass rush was due to scheme

[@jeremiahw1369]

​@InJeffWeTrustt schemes led the league in sacks, points, and takeaways? I don't think that has ever happened without top talent. It hadn't happened at all before last year anyway.

[@InJeffWeTrustt]

@@jeremiahw1369 I mean look at older guys who people stopped believing in really like van noy & clowney. Mike Macdonald brought the best out of them. I still think that dline has talent but imagine what he does with the Seahawks with that stacked Dline

[@jeremiahw1369]

@@InJeffWeTrustt He is just a good coach not a magic man. Clowney and Van Noy had thier best seasons because of the setting. The coverage and linebackers were the best in the league. Madubuike wasn't controlled by the double teams. Edge guys always play well here, they just never got big sack numbers under Wink because he was addicted to blitzing. McDonald isn't a genius, he's just not a mad scientist like Wink. He had his share of blown leads and strange substitutions before leading the league in defense. The talent pool is unique in Baltimore. They get extra veteran talent cheap and late to augment one of the top draft and development systems in the league.

[@terry7907]

@@jeremiahw1369exactly. They are not ranking the defenses. They are ranking the talent on the d-lines, and there are more talented ones.

[@andrewbird57]

I'm a Chargers fan. Assuming these rankings do not include edge rushers Mack, Bosa, Dupree or Tuipulotu, who are designated OLB on the depth chart. I feel #22 is a bit high for the Chargers, I would've guessed a bottom 5 ranking for the DL unit. It's the roster unit that was most seriously neglected during Telesco's GMship. I think Harbaugh will change that, but outside of one 3rd day pick, they didn't address it seriously in the draft. They added Poona Ford in FA, but he's not going to be a huge upgrade. Two of Harbaugh's Michigan monsters will be in next year's draft. Hopefully the Chargers aren't in position to draft Mason Graham but I'd be happy if they snagged Kenneth Grant. He would be a massive upgrade for the Bolts' IDL, with emphasis on "massive."

[@lancekirk994]

I think people are just done considering Bosa a good player anymore. Dupree was never good

[@DrummerTF1]

They stated around the 6 minute mark that players classified as Edge rushers are considered, even if they are listed as OLBs on a team’s depth chart.

[@andrewbird57]

@@DrummerTF1 OK, I missed that. Thanks. The Chargers have a good edge rushing corps, 7th in the league in sacks last season, without Bosa even. So for PFF to rate the Chargers' DL so low even with that, leads me to believe they regard the IDL - the run stoppers - as decidedly subpar. And I concur with that.

[@SharpViola-g6d]

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[@WalkerLouise-j4u]

Hernandez Laura Young Amy Williams Gary

[@markhillis1249]

UNITS ! ! !

[@MackCervera-i3p]

Hernandez Melissa Wilson Kevin Walker Brian

[@JamesBell-qy6jd]

Just skip Baltimore at 12? Wtf

[@kjgallagher4]

Lions and Browns should be above the Eagles.

[@jhart2838]

Giants at 18 is laughable.

[@seanelliott1638]

What's laughable about us at 18?

[@margalitlankry1735]

Burns dexy kayvon should be top 5 trio

[@jhart2838]

@@seanelliott1638 too low

[@seanelliott1638]

@@jhart2838 OH ok...I agree 👍

[@jackobluntly3467]

Keep sleeping on Vita Vea and crew..go Bucs 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[@KathleenGiles-s6o]

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[@panzerschreckpete]

The only thing I took out of this was the abject laziness of the presenters and the contempt they show to their audience. If work is too mch for them, maybe they need to re-evaluate their choices

[@Datfnguy347]

This is exactly why nobody really respects y’all data or takes it’s like y’all don’t watch the games n go off madden simulation stats😭

[@nealfeatheringill2091]

Literally said nothing for 4 1/2 minutes

[@jakenelson5845]

You cannot tell me the Vikings got worse, Greenard, AVG and Dallas Turner > Hunter by himself

[@LionsOnTheHunt313]

Still have ZERO impactful DT's

[@jakenelson5845]

@@LionsOnTheHunt313 Phillips is a solid ass DT and I’m referring to their edge group obviously

[@jeffredfern3744]

Greenard is a stat compiler who constantly loses the gap.

[@brianw3656]

​@@jakenelson5845 Kwesi is the worst GM in the NFL. This year will prove that as fact.

[@jakenelson5845]

@@brianw3656 other than drafting Cine what exactly has he fucked up? Talking out your ass who is your team

[@danielalfano2424]

49ers are underrated they should be 1

[@colemathews3880]

No lol

[@SeattleHawkinator]

Not so focused anymore, pathetic rankings all around! 😂

[@DanielRiggi-bc1yb]

These guys have 0 chemistry