2024 Preserve Championship | MPO R2B9 | Callaway, Redalen, Klein, Robinson | Jomez Disc Golf

[@JomezPro]

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[@fl4grant]

Yall need to call out "Mooky Duke" from the patreon members

[@kingchuckfinley]

Isaac gonna be leaving prodigy completely because of the garbage baskets.

[@justbrowsing5279]

They're only garbage for Prodigy players. Not my favorite, but they are only truly evil to their own players.

[@seymourglass26]

They do seem to be worse to actual Prodigy players, though I have no explanation as to why that would be.

[@Azriel884]

The inner chain links are waaayyyy too heavy and cause way too much swing back on spin putts. Even the outer chains look lighter than they need to be, which is weird. 🤷‍♂️

[@derpderpin1568]

They're all garbage. The disc golf basket design is garbage. Nothings going to actually get better until we completely redesign the target which will never happen because this terrible basket design is installed all over the world already. It's a bad basket and spitouts will still drag the sport backwards even if Prodigy baskets are removed. There's also not even any stats that objectively state they're worse than any other shitty basket. There's spitouts on nearly all Jomez coverage on all baskets.

[@mathewchaney5411]

The squares that the cross chains create can catch the putter and prevent it from falling into the basket. Why are they there? To prevent the disc from spitting out the back? I'd rather have that happen than what's happened to Isaac this round.

[@untrustworthyshelfing9953]

Cole Redallen looks like a federal agent from the 50s who is covering up some extraterrestrial activity and hasn't had his coffee yet.

[@natebell4764]

Why the hell do I know what you mean

[@InventSlaminate]

Spit outs are part of the game but those that Issac had are…. Really tough. Those aren’t even slightly off putts

[@DESR1995]

Yeah, there are spit outs, but that one on 12 was a soft pace, dead center, didn't hit the pole, and still came out. You should never be punished for as perfect of a putt you could have.

[@rman713]

Yeah he made actually perfect putts that got gently pushed out by the chains. That’s a basket flaw.

[@goatitisful]

Jomez has been making the best disc golf coverage for probably 10 years by now.

[@Kilroy117]

Hole 12 worst spit out I've ever seen. Unbelievable. That's embarrassing for the sport and Prodigy.

[@kingchuckfinley]

They’re gonna lose both of the Robinson brothers because of their shit baskets.

[@LiteConversion]

Ive never liked these baskets. On my local beginner course only 2 years and theyre completely falling apart as well. Horrible spit outs.

[@originalmoneybuckets]

Kind of ironic the spit outs on camera are happening to their sponsored players

[@malicepriest]

It was hard to watch, especially being one of their own players. 😢

[@derpderpin1568]

They happen on nearly every Jomez upload on every brand of basket though. Why hasn't a single person come forward with any spitout stats by basket to actually make an objective case?

[@firechimp1]

I think all the bunkers should be turned into ball pits. That way when a player gets in it they have fun instead.

[@ronaldwuollet2462]

I think the bunkers play like a quarter to half shot penalty. Really nice feature. I get sick of seeing "hazard" penalty stroke plus play from the bunker. Same thing with artificial OB, you already threw a crap shot. Why take another shot? Especially on wooded courses. Makes zero sense and is idiotic.

[@NickCarroll]

@@ronaldwuollet2462 I'm with you on this. Love to see natural hazards be penalty enough on their own.

[@KSAS90]

They should be filled with water. Tiny little pond hazards

[@4dwyn]

Unlike the basket on 10, Joe Mauer was a catcher

[@brandongreen9381]

By Big jerms opening statement and his facial expression, I believe he was one of those early cards who experienced the rain . lol

[@InventSlaminate]

Paul: "they pay me not to shut up" 😂😂

[@davidstutz2568]

Safest layup for Isaac on these baskets is to hit dead center chains.

[@robertlarrabee4310]

Possibly hitting a drone was mentioned in commentary. If a disc in flight during a tournament hit a drone doing film coverage, what is the rule about that?

[@sethusk]

I think it's the same as colliding with a fan; sorry about your bad luck and that's it.

[@jcosborn4872]

41:07 look at Isaac's thumb during his throw on 17

[@coryy8792]

Yes another round of Wysocki coming up!

[@martyjenkins3631]

Paul: "They pay me not to shut up." What a job!

[@rock_oclock]

Luke Taylor was trying to throw it over them mountains on that hole 18 check-in

[@kevinclouse7377]

Jerm would “bet all the beans in Boston” lol what 😂

[@dumpyd8243]

It’s always such a pleasure to watch Kyle Klein play.

[@oIFIFeNSe]

Jerms “wut” at 32:50 has me rolling 😂

[@olsha004]

"hold on a second, ah nah we got it on the zoom. He's good." DRENCHED in sarcasm and delivered like a pro

[@kenSpiffyJr.]

Thanks Jomez!

[@barrypeirson3710]

15:25 "These baskets suck."

[@barrypeirson3710]

Crosschains act as a pocket and if you hit just above dead center...it's sucks. Stupid... DGPT should use MachX only IMO But I know that's easier said than done. Good putt from Issac

[@marscruz]

@@barrypeirson3710 Innova Chainstars are good too but it's hard to beat a Mach X or even a Mach 7 (Chainstar clone?).

[@barrypeirson3710]

@@marscruz True

[@landonwebb886]

Take always from this round: -Prodigy baskets are trash -Coles bounce back game is weak -jomez are the goats of commentary

[@BlakJedi907]

Cole had a look a defeat pretty early on. I hate to see it.

[@NickCarroll]

It happens to everyone. Most players can hit a wall at any time in their rounds - even if they're having a stellar one to start with. I don't think this is unique to Cole.

[@BlakJedi907]

​@NickCarroll Definitely. Just seems like Cole felt defeated a couple bogeys in whereas other players might not feel or show that until they've had more bad playing than just a couple holes.

[@NickCarroll]

@@BlakJedi907 Yeah totally. I know it hurt him. I do think he tried to bounce back, but I don't think his mental game was totally to blame here. I also don't think he's different than any of the other pro tour players in terms of his ability to score through adversity. I just played a tournament yesterday where the first 9 I was winning, even compared to a couple tiers above me - and then things just fell off, and mental game didn't have anything to do with it. That's where I'm coming from at least. 🙂

[@docdabble9671]

Disc golf baskets are trash*

[@frolfenuugen4lyfe]

I've been saying for years that I hate Prodigy baskets. Those inner squares push back instead of catch. Nothing beats the disc catcher and Mach's in my books. There's others that are good too, but too many to list. Prodigy baskets suck.

[@noahweir4440]

Alright, the Luke Taylor check in commentary was great. He hit a plane! He hit a bird! He hit an eagle!

[@dr05guitar]

You can see Isaac's putt on hole 12, two of the horizontal chains caught it and pushed it out...weird design!

[@johnweber3578]

Cole lost his mojo. It is crazy how much one hole can change your game so much. I think that is one thing in disc golf that is under realized is that the mental game is something else!!

[@NickCarroll]

I don't think it's always a mental game issue. I'm not sure it was the case here, at least. Sometimes players just stop performing well - and at the highest levels just being off a bit is enough to nosedive on a tough course. 🙂

[@joshuagarza__]

Everyone realizes the game of golf is mostly mental. You didn’t day anything profound or new.

[@warrenrixon3790]

Paul, you were on Chase Card second round of Champions Cup this year.

[@joshadams8877]

I think the answer to Jerms question at 7:30 is yes. All baskets will make mistakes and drop some, they are all baskets just like every other basket out there. Ben should not have gave hole 4s basket the stare down. Now I'm not saying I agree with hole 10s retaliation and not just catching the little left side shorty, definitely could have, but any reasonable person or basket could see that happening. Plus they are like baseball buds or whatever.

[@travis3073]

How about strict specifications/design for tour baskets? Each brand can still make their own so people can remain brand loyal if they'd like and sponsors can still use their baskets for their sponsored tourneys. I don't know... It's just a thought. I get that people have preferences for at home and their home courses. That wouldn't have to change. At least with a uniform design on tour, the talk and chatter about how terrible certain ones wouldn't have to exist. Thus, the end of wondering who could've/would've done better or maybe won if it wasn't for spit outs.

[@DBLACKJACK70]

I have a question why do they not cut these fairways shorter?

[@DOOBERtv]

@jomezpro Would you ever consider releasing the footage of the rounds edited without commentary? Thank you!

[@MichaelJCurl]

I'm coming here to post after Isaac's putt on hole 12, we need better baskets! There is no reason that putt shouldn't have stayed in.

[@bikerbrandon1]

What happened to eagles crossing? Why isn't that course on tour?

[@travis3073]

My guess is because it's in the middle of nowhere between St. Louis and Columbia, MO. 45 minute commute to a St. Louis suburb. That's just my guess because I've heard great things from pros about the course itself.

[@DBLACKJACK70]

These baskets are horrible. I’ve seen four or five spit outs on the same card. Something has to change.

[@MeantForNothing]

Man I wanna see Callaway play well when on coverage, it feels like it never happens, he has the skills just needs to chain good rounds together and he can win

[@putkipihvi324]

Just cut the horizontal chain on those baskets from the middle. This has been a big problem for years now...

[@neilkirkpatrick6232]

Wow, you have to play a top level performance and just hope the baskets hold your perfect putts. Yeah, seems fair.

[@prestonrutherford3997]

Why is the dgpt marketing so cringe? That lighting for the photo shoot for the ad was rough…

[@milkshooks]

Ezra was the only one with good lighting

[@russa5332]

Yyyyyeah, that was pretty awful. Did they shoot that with a flashlight and a cell phone?! 😂

[@galelongputt]

My thoughts exactly. Photography is all about lighting and composition. Probably a DEI hire...

[@brandontylerbeckwith]

All their shit is cringy.

[@theaveragebenz7924]

The hired the high school photo guy

[@Carback27]

I love you guys like my own children, but you don't need to predict the outcome of every shot while it's in the air. Let the shot play out, and then comment on how it turned out.

[@justbrowsing5279]

It's hilarious how much Prodigy baskets hate Prodigy players. Really bad last year for Gannon. Not with Prodigy anymore. Not spitting out anymore.

[@matsmekker1132]

Prodigy sponsored player : " that basket sucks!"

[@Kastled5]

@15:26 ban Prodigy baskets

[@hardrockfreak1337]

Isaac would have aced a normal basket on 17. What a sicko!

[@Linky609]

Prodigy baskets are the only ones where the less chains you hit the better chance you have of it going in, they're trash.

[@untrustworthyshelfing9953]

IR had some great putts this round that got absolutely denied. Heartbreaking.

[@gregorypalamara6723]

15:28 oh man, not again! Feel for you Isaac, I don't think it's hos putts though. I HATE these basics and those stupid inner chains, for this exact reason. so crazy.....

[@tlien851]

So isaacs leading by one. Got it

[@eonslimafoxtrotgolf1759]

Nice

[@lllforgelll2421]

These prodigy buckets man... I mean how many of these pure center putts have we seen shoot back out of these on coverage?

[@willn851]

I know you can’t make a basket that catches everything but you can at least make them all the SAME. DGPT should have an approved design that they must have at tournaments. Problem solved.

[@epe-4910]

Damn these baskets do not like Isaac

[@seymourglass26]

They hated Gannon when he was on Prodigy, too. It's like the baskets are out to sabotage the home team.

[@AdultZechez]

🎉

[@charlesjones1047]

Nor cal baskets!!! Mach 7ns!! I'm still shocked we don't see them on the pro tour. There is no better basket, I'm my opinion.

[@goatitisful]

Ben and Isaac should sue the PDGA for emotional distress after 3 insane spit-outs😅😅(I am joking, plz dont sue the PDGA) but I've never seen anything like it. In fact, those are some of my favorite baskets. I've never had a spit-out from them. Maybe his put has too much spin for these baskets? Idk, I think all baskets on the tour should be the same on every course

[@erikmcconnon2155]

DGPT needs to ban these baskets from their events. Embarrassing

[@Davivd2]

This course needs more out of bounds. The bunker on 18 should be OB. The discs that go over the spectator rope should be OB. This course should challenge pro's on every hole. The leaders are throwing 11 to 14 under rounds.

[@TonyBakerTB]

Couldn't agree more! There definitely shouldn't be 50 people shooting 10 under!

[@Azriel884]

Needless to say, i think we'll all be rooting for matty o to make final card and win it....

[@justinrees2400]

Funny how civil lawsuits shape the world we live in. They’re afraid to say the word ‘prodigy’ out loud at the exact moment the sticker is flashed on the rim of the basket 😂

[@danwatkins89]

The love for Gannon is ridiculous. Most of the chase card check ins are for him and some of them are not even for a birdie or anything.

[@_Wrd2]

I wonder how many times in his professional career Isaac has missed the tunnel on hole 17. Like including practice rounds and everything it still prolly could be counted on one hand 😭

[@timeandspacevintage3380]

I have these baskets on my local course and as an already bad putter, these baskets make me pull out my hair. Trash cans.

[@loudelvis610]

Spoiler Enhancement!!!! The leader after 36 holes......was wearing wet shoes

[@dweebinpursuit]

Stop talking chains and expand the basket by an inch or two. Discs totter and flop out. Wouldn't happen if the basket is just a bit wider

[@roblofosho]

The Lord didn't want the putts to go in 🤷 lol

[@tdunn779]

Isaac should be in the lead, I know it sure doesn’t work that way bc that’s just how disc golf can go but damn he would be in the lead if he did not get robbed horribly

[@prodoe2e838]

Prodigy Baskets Blow!

[@bikerbrandon1]

We need to mix up the courses a little bit. Not that the tour list isn't good but they're getting played out a little watching the same places every year.

[@CinematicSoundDesign]

Imagine your own sponsors baskets causing you to lose

[@philiplair6614]

Seeing Isaac's spit out, then Gannons roll away back 2 back gave me mesothelioma thanks a lot Jomez...

[@kylewollman2239]

It would be fun to see an entire course of island holes. Fun to watch that is, not play.

[@ganoraks1156]

Hot take, there may be some differences in catching ability across the different basket manufacturers, but IF YOU PUTT TOO HARD THERE IS A CHANCE OF A SPITOUT. You can’t just send everything dead center as fast as you want. Those who putt with a floater style of putting almost never spit out. The spin putts are the ones that spit out cause of their speed.

[@cornhub2445]

Issac doesnt even putt fast lol. Uli is the number 1 advocate of the point ur making. He constantly is on the side of putt softer putt better. But he can realize that these baskets specifically cause an issue with spit outs

[@myopiczeal]

That was not a hard putt. It didn't hit the pole. It caught the dumbass horizontal chains, which acted like a cushion, and bounced the disc out. It's a clear flaw in the basket design. Period.

[@mawage666]

I was camping by hole 15 and watched discs spit out or not catch all day Saturday and Sunday. Prodigy baskets are GARBAGE! Great coverage and commentating though. And thanks for the 3D printed mini Big Jerm!

[@derpderpin1568]

Sucks Luke Taylor got cut off lead card in a tie. Would've much rathered see someone new than Gannon again.

[@deadstarr7]

its 100% ok to spend time talking about the baskets.. its unacceptable that there isnt a standardized basket and somewhat embarassing for a "professional" level sport ... theres definitely plenty of professional level competition.. its just a lot of the other spots were lacking in to get the pgda where it needs to be

[@samxyx]

I miss PmcB

[@discgolfwes]

Prodigy baskets suck

[@DannyFuego1Love]

So sad Taylor isn't on lead card last round. Getting tired of watching Gannon 😫😫😫

[@Division4]

Rip Prodigy.

[@New_Folder_2]

IS IT A BIRD? IS IT A PLANE? NOOOOOOOO IT'S EAGLE!!!

[@Cpr21134]

The spit outs like that are just incredibly annoying and painful to watch. Definitely one of the biggest problems with our sport. The disc golf engineers need to try and get this figured out. You shouldn’t be penalized for a good putt like that. I get the ones that come in with speed. But Issac’s putt on 12 was perfect, no way should that putt be penalized. Very frustrating.

[@D_Hans]

Ricky shot hot from the chase card, how come we just got a bunch of Gannon coverage?

[@marscruz]

I'd like to come up with some great idea but I'm with you... I don't get it either. Payola?

[@sabrewolf479]

I don't remember ever seeing so many terrible spitouts. These Prodigy baskets suck, and it costs the players more than just a stroke. Imagine the concentration and mental fortitude you have to muster to just forget it and not have it affect your next shots.

[@docdabble9671]

The thing is it’s not even just these baskets. Disc golf baskets as a whole need a redesign. A simple widening of the diameter of the cage would catch so many of these that dance around the rim

[@tamarockstar45]

It's like the disc gets engulfed in chains, finds a swing to sit on, then rides it right out of the basket. Those baskets deserve the hate, imo.

[@Dafunkyjunky870]

Prodigy and trilogy shouldn’t be allowed to make baskets

[@Underratedmen]

Any ATL player knows that prodigy baskets are trash. We hated them from the beginning. The only redeeming quality is that they catch bad putts. Low left is honestly the best spot to putt on them.

[@ronaldwuollet2462]

Why Prodigy changed from the T1 (original basket) is baffling. They catch center super well and kick out poorer off center putts like high right and left. The new baskets are trash. I think though that all 3 putts that kicked back out (Bens and both of Isaacs) had a decent amount of speed and zip. I don't expect to see Coles putt for instance spit back. You want to guarantee a make? Putt with touch and have the putt dropping like Coles. The randomness of the spit out is frustrating though. Like Gannon should see a few more bounce out also. So I agree that the baskets suck because of the randomness. But I think the player can make a change in speed too.

[@RetroReaktor]

How is it not that majority of DGPT stops in US and EU are being played on these Prodigy baskets? How is it possible that PDGA allows this? Why have so many tournaments played on the worst basket ever invented? I even heard Isak, Prodigy sponsored player, say it out loud this round: "These baskets suck!" Prodigy, please retire this basket! Everybody hates it, design a new basket!!

[@palexander5090]

Jerm, you're animorphizing the baskets again. What did we say about that, hmm? Truth is, chains should catch discs, for a reason. Unless/until they make chains that "cheat" by actually snagging discs that do NOT hit them, then I am inclined to say that chains SHOULD CATCH DISCS, as THAT is their job!. Chains CANNOT catch a disc that does not hit them, so chains "do yer job!" I'll use the classic: "We can put a 'man on the Moon', but we can't , make chains that catch discs?"

[@mortensagstad5914]

Why is the chase card check in constantly focusing on Gannon, when Gannon is out of the battle (6th to 10th), while Ricky is fighting for the lead on the same (chase) card? Obviously, the end result redeems the choice to some extent, but to me as a viewer, it reeks of bias. The excitement for the battle of the lead would also be more exiting if it didnt't constantly focus on someone who is currently (at the time of the check in) completely out of the fight for 1st. Has Ricky done something bad towards Jonathan or the Jomez team to warrant this kind of disrespect?

[@cibrinyark339]

Probably because he was on the same card as Ricky and so while they were focusing on Ricky, they had the cameras there anyway. So why not

[@jodde73]

Just make a scientific test and let a robot shoot 5000 putts on the top 5 baskets. I think Lat64 will catch the most…

[@MeantForNothing]

"veteran baskets are so much worse than other baskets", bullshit look at these baskets, every basket has flaws and we're seeing them, apparently hitting these left or straight sometimes just spits you out

[@justinfinch2458]

what is the fuckin deal with the baskets here? never seen this many spit outs in 1 round.

[@BenjaminEklof]

Isac Robison should get to design a signature basket next year instead of a disc!😅

[@galelongputt]

FYI, big Jerm. Calling Gannon Burr "inhuman" is an insult. I think you meant to say not human. I know you are a kind-hearted person and wouldn't do that intentionally. 😊

[@erickyoung8331]

I think the word you are looking for is inhumane, which is different than the awkward inhuman.

[@galelongputt]

No, check your dictionary. Inhumane also has a cruel connotation to it. I'm sure he meant not human as in like a machine his putting is so good and without worries 😊

[@erickyoung8331]

@@galelongputt I stand corrected on the second meaning, but it also has the meaning he intended.

[@chrismontgomery9642]

Prodigy baskets should be banned from pro tournament play until they fix their design to catch up to their competitors

[@Daniel5.14]

Wow those chains are trash they look off too.

[@ChayseGrizzell]

Gannon somehow back on lead card.. he just won't go away.

[@maxdoes1625]

Spoiler Shield 🛡️

[@seymourglass26]

I think it was just plain rude to give Kyle that courtesy violation for not clearing the basket after his ace. But at least he won the rock-paper-scissors for who had to intentionally throw in the pond on the next hole.