2024 S650 Mustang GT/Dark Horse Gen 4 Coyote Intake Manifold with Dual Throttle Bodies - Overview

[@zachh8470]

Think one of the main reasons Ford went with a dual throttle body set up on the Gen 4 Coyote is because of the addition of more restrictive intake emission carbon traps in the 22 and 23 Gen 3 Coyotes. You can find videos online of an additional honey comb filter inside the intake tubing. Also the 22 and 23 GT's were slightly down on power since they had the additional restriction.

[@Oddball5.0]

You’re absolutely correct, just want to add that as the owner of a 2023 (who also test drove 2021s) that I can’t tell I’m missing 10 hp. I doubt most people, other than perhaps serious track folks, could. The car has plenty of power. Best place to spend your money on is upgrading tires and suspension so that you can get all those angry horses to the road properly. Just my opinion.

[@neilmays3466]

I am excited to see what the aftermarket community does with this different design! Imagine a twin throttle body application for a 5.0 F-150, or even on other brands!!

[@V58dripper]

Working on fitting one on a gen 2 f150 rn

[@johndoe956]

@@V58dripperhow did it go? Where did you order the intake?

[@frankrooker6763]

Absolutely love the 2024, so much that I bought one. So many things about this car that is just years ahead of past years. The first is the digital dashboard, something you have to get used to but does have its pluses. The Recaro interior, heated and cooled front seats (wish they’d figured out a way to make them power adjustable) , Brembo brakes, and the increase in power over previous years. When you raise the hood it looks like you’re already doing over 100 mph with the twin throttle bodies. What more can I say.

[@joshuaheck5106]

The Dual Throttle paired with the Dual Air Intakes are there to reduce induction loss, which inreases maximum achievable airflow. For a naturally aspirated engine: MAP = Ambient Pressure - Induction Loss. So, if Pamb = 100 kPa, and at peak power induction losses are 4 kPa, MAP is 96 kPa. Flow losses change with the SQUARE of flow area, so if you double the area, you reduce the losses to 1/4. So the same engine with dual intakes could have 99 kPa of MAP instead of 96, wich will deliver about 3% more airflow, and that means about 3% more power.

[@christopherjohnson3614]

Nice explanation. More air more power

[@jojog8304]

Will be interesting to put the Gen3 intake onto a Gen4 and see if the dual TB vs plenum volume (since the gen 3 looks bigger/deeper) makes a difference.

[@markbreaux6613]

Or the new ''Cobra Jet'' with dual TB's.. FTW! 😈

[@TheTerribleGamer]

This is for sure gonna find its way onto previous gen coyotes. Ill be in line to try

[@PeeterPuncher]

I think there will be a realization of how much of a PITA the dual throttle body configuration will be to tune and modify......some know-it-alls seem to think it's a speed density system but it has MAF sensors and most can't comprehend what it will take to make dual DBW throttlebodies work properly with old calibration strategies.

[@The_action_is_the_juice]

I'm currently daily driving my 17' MT82(bc stg3) TT 64/66 on 16-20 lbs, E85 with a stock 2018 intake. It makes 1k+ crazy power. You dont need this intake.

[@joelsavage8254]

But could it hurt?

[@CalebsCars]

Finally someone gets it, all these hype gen z guys not really understanding

[@The_action_is_the_juice]

@CalebsCars but its got "twin" intakes like a horses nose!!! 😆 🤣

[@stevencoyote746]

Same 2015 twin 64/67 on E85 1k to the wheels .....Gen x here we don't need our Mustangs designed by Gen z's You don't need half of this crap to make power ..done

[@alexxolo5742]

preach, u spend enough money everything can be made fast

[@OSMINCONDE23]

Thanks fellas for the insight on the new intake manifold

[@paulhudgins5120]

Great video, just awesome comparing the 2 intakes, i can see a awesome twin turbo setup for the gen.4 intake on the gen3 coyote.

[@ThrottleHavoc]

You would have to convert the car from maf to map. Not that it can’t be done but it would take unnecessary money to do especially for the gains you’d get or lack there of. Sure it would look cool with two feeds going into the intake, but it would be much more cost effective and probably make just about the same power as keeping the gen 3 manifold on.

[@JCustom]

The more one learns about the s650 the better the s550 looks

[@pumasthebest19]

It’s the better/faster model. The tablet dash will win people over but not the performance.

[@LT1_Danny]

​@@pumasthebest19I think the s650 will still be a little bit faster, but from what I've seen, people really hate on the new tablet looking dash.

[@LT1_Danny]

@@B49nope I agree that it is just lazy design. They made it look like the newer Mercedes models interiors with that dash.

[@STANGm06deGT]

650 does look better, minus the tablets !!

[@Jimmyxsx]

@@STANGm06deGTonly the dark horse the regular Gt is ugly af.

[@MrWayne__]

Need to get ahold of a gen4 water neck assembly and see if it bolts on 😏

[@kevinawptistic1979]

Can already imagine a s650 with a twin turbo setup. and 1 turbo into each throttle body

[@angelluna4003]

Ready for crushing all Camaros and Corvette 😀😀😀

[@mikeianno]

It really wouldn't make much difference. Turbos aren't affected much by throttle body size

[@joelsavage8254]

Same

[@joelsavage8254]

​@@mikeiannoyeah but it will look nasty.... And I'd say you cram more air through 2 80mm holes versus 1🤔

[@ALMX5DP]

@@joelsavage8254 It will look great, but performance gains with a turbo may not be significant depending on where the bottle neck is. I think the reason for this move, like mentioned in the video, is atomization by means of swirling air into the manifold. The Corvette Z06 and Porsche GT3 are a good example of using this and pressure waves to create positive pressure of sorts for the high revving engines.

[@johnnyleeheck]

I'm stoked!! Gives me the warm an fuzzy over my dream of a hood swap to a gt 500 hood on my 2014 GT

[@freemanharris2189]

Neat design, interesting to think what turbos might look like, I'll stick with the boss for my 12, geeking out over parts not a bad way to spend time

[@shaneswayze6228]

That's awesome.love your channel.im a huge Ford guy.i watch your channel all the time.keep up the good work

[@r000tbeer]

Tuning would be my concern for 2015-2023 GTs with the Gen4 intake. Can the factory computer be tuned for MAP?

[@hawkeye1990ful]

With an aftermarket ECU it can be.

[@61484]

Would be sick to be able to get the dual intake on my 2015 GT Would probably have to stuff on the passenger side to fit the extra intake

[@iSmell_Butthurt]

It would just be wasted money. Also, I very much doubt it would work with MAF. I'm flowing 920whp through a '18 manifold and the stock single tb.

[@nissanbrown6144]

No need for twin throttle bodies one is enough

[@Olds_Pwr]

I would think this natural aspirated 307 would ingest the same amount of air no matter how many throttle bodies it has, of course as long as it was sized properly to begin with. Meaning, even with better flowing heads, exhaust for example, I would think a 90mm throttle body would be sufficient. My conclusion, I am also thinking this is more less for cosmetic reasons.

[@nbaldo003]

all the wild NA production builds usually feature multiple throttle bodies. new corvette 5.5 comes to mind, pretty much any ferrari, tons of german engines, even Nissan’s vq engine went to dual throttle body. seems to be a slight bump in power by reducing the manifolds volume, shortening the intake path length and adding an additional throttle body. more air less time to hit the cylinder and w the high rpm they’re running these na engines it works really well to draw in more air at least that’s my understanding.

[@huckfin1598]

It’s not about volume. It’s about mixture and speed. Basic engine stuff. He mentions it in beginning of video. Please be smarter

[@Olds_Pwr]

@@huckfin1598 Don't believe everything you hear or say, that would be common sense. Please educate yourself on that. Why don't you be smarter? A period goes at the end of a sentence. Didn't you learn anything in school?

[@mustangal8534]

Wondering what size the injectors are on the new ones? More air needs more fuel. And I'm sure the new intake will be seen on the gen II and III soon. Thanks

[@cali2468]

Factory injectors are typically oversized manufacturers don't want them running close to 100% duty cycle.

[@deanojet2991]

What the heck? A video about the s650 where the person talking doesn't say "all new mustang" 50 times!! It's a miracle

[@midnight347]

It's not even all new it's literally on an s550 chassis it's a face lifted s550 with a locked down ecu. Hard pass.

[@jbp1981]

Gt350 made 520+hp with a single tb. Theres more to the story here...

[@jaythewrapper239]

It’s also a 5.2 smh

[@HerrPoopschitz]

Agreed. Dumb. Ydbt?

[@728GT]

@@jaythewrapper239and a flat plane crank 😂

[@midnight347]

​@@jaythewrapper239that doesn't matter the manifold doesn't need 2 openings for power. This is likely an emissions thing that has nothing to do with "moar powah!!!"

[@KeithSchwerin]

It also helps emissions

[@erwinkrolop8731]

Just spitballing here, but I’ve got a feeling there’s a split plenum helmholtz (a la Ferrari 458, C8 Z06) manifold on the way and this dual throttle body setup paves the way for that to happen by amortizing the cost of parts and ecu programming across the entire v8 production run.

[@superstallion97]

This intake reminds me of the 1997 SVE Super Stallion concept car with 5.4l supercharged E85 590 hp with twin intake

[@24theMoney]

All depends on where the choke point of airflow occurs. If its the TB, then doubling up will help.

[@edwardberwind8544]

Landan , thanks for the review. I ordered a 2024 GT Premium it's been built waiting for delivery.

[@Chris1982416]

Can you swap it into older coyotes? That's going to suck to change the MAF sensor 😢

[@Travisisaac55]

No...nothing in the pre 2023 Cars have nothing in the tune to control the second throttle body won't work without insane amounts of money

[@giftedcracker]

I cant wait to see a top mount twin turbo kit installed on this intake

[@Shademax4273]

The duel TB manifold has less plenum area the duel TB is supposed to help get that lost area back

[@jtwilcoxson]

Great video. Was wondering about the new intake on the gen3 and you answered my questions! 🎉. One day they will have a kit.

[@jacobmcnamee]

dual throttle intake would be epic in GT350 flat plane crank!

[@joesilveira7652]

To everyone who thinks 2 throttle bodies is useless then why does all the most powerful na big engine cars have 2 throttle bodies…C8 Z06 V8, Gen 5 Viper V10, Ferrari 812 V12

[@scottieray]

Even the S650 GT with a tune (or E85) is going to get you over 500hp at the crank. That's solid HP for a sports car you can use as a daily driver. The ECU must be tunable (locked, yes) because a tune is why the Dark Horse makes a bit more than the GT

[@gtmike916]

3 bolt ons and a tune makes 500 to the wheels with the S550. The Dark Horse is a waste of money.

[@lynex83]

@@gtmike916 Lets be honest, with the Dark Horse, you're paying for the paint job. Kinda the same with the Mystichrome on the Fox Body.

[@rggt6225]

This intake is strictly for emissions. The voodoo has one TB and makes more power that should tell you everything.

[@728GT]

The voodoo also has .2L displacement increase, a higher redline and less low end torque.

[@midnight347]

​@@728GTthatdoesnt matter if anything the higher redline and displacement should mean it needs even more air. So why doesn't it have twin intakes? Because it isn't needed and this is likely something emissions related and people can't get that through their heads.

[@rggt6225]

@midnight347 Thank you, my point exactly the only ones that will benefit from this are the company's making CAI and TB.

[@728GT]

@@midnight347 because it has a flat plane crank and a different firing order. The intake pulses are different.

[@JROC734]

A 80MM TB is way too small for a GEN3+ Coyote. That's barely bigger than an old factory LS1 TB. Hell a 87MM TB is too small for a GEN5 LT1 that redlines at 6,500 RPM's, and a 103MM setup offers pretty decent gains. On a DOHC engine that has heads that flow comparable to a GEN5 6.2L head, and wants to spin well past 7K RPM to make competitive power an 80MM setup leading into the intake is ridiculously small. The dual TB setup might be an emissions thing from the factory, but IMO it's going to bleed over into the performance side of the equation once tuners start learning how to tweak on these. Hell Ford emissions requirements didn't lighten up for 2024, and they're using this setup to produce a 20 HP bump over the Bullitt/Mach1's 87MM TB and manifold. Will this be a better option than a new CJ? IDK, but I'd bet it's HP potential will better an 18-23 MGT's manifold

[@mariobryant7670]

😮 dang car's barley made it too dealers and already they making aftermarket parts love it 😊.

[@georgiadriven]

SAMEE haha

[@Motorsportsgeek]

That makes no difference on an N/A car, ford used it more for a marketing perspective and a way to hide the Gen4 mustang isn't anything new. At least the guys boosting them will see its real benefits.

[@Chevylaluz]

I wonder the height difference internally if the gen 4 at least has more volume.

[@713.Bullitt]

I’m putting that manifold on my Gen 3

[@benitomunoz8661]

To me, Ford just have everybody the equivalent of a cobra jet and updated the tune. I’m sure some internals are upgraded but still, to get 486hp from the factory is pretty awesome.

[@DarkhorseMuscle]

I can't wait until people start doing generation 4 coyote swaps

[@musclecargarage8882]

Nice breakdown on the intake

[@ryanbax5114]

Will we be getting a way to make that water neck area work with the gen 4 manifold?

[@latemodelrestoration]

Not sure! Only time will tell. -Landan

[@stevenPounder-p4b]

The GT500 seems like it would be a good candidate for figuring out a dual set up with a whipple

[@johnnyrock852]

Cool video. So I guess the Gen 6 Whipple will have same issues or will it clear the water neck because it is still single throttlebody? On a Gen 1 engine, that is.

[@latemodelrestoration]

We appreciate the feedback on the video. That's a pretty specific question. Unfortunately, I don't know. Thanks. -Landan

[@duane9707]

Great vid. The smaller plenum is possible because of the dual throttle bodies.

[@josueulloa842]

now cold air intakes will cost you 1200 bucks

[@ThrottleHavoc]

Bingo

[@mikehughes8023]

And folks will still pay🙁

[@Ponyo3816]

Did anyone notice. That they went back to a steel oil pan? I saw it on the Savage Geese Dark Horse video. I guess Gen4 might be the smarter engine compared to the loudness from the plastic oil pan on Gen3.

[@timothybayliss6680]

I honestly dont think that Ford is using speed/density for this. Having a MAP sensor isnt an absolute and if you look at the filter housing, there is two spots that look like they could house a MAF sensor. Cross referencing the P/N comes back to 2020-21 diesel pickups, both 3.0l and 6.7l. Both engines in these years of production use a MAF sensor as well.

[@guitarbois4917]

Will the gen 4 engine cover fit 18 mani ?

[@latemodelrestoration]

The rubber mounts for the ball studs on the engine cover are in the same location as the Gen 3 intake. I would assume that the Gen 4 cover is backwards compatible. We won’t know for sure until we can physically test it. -Landan

[@markbreaux6613]

Can't Image the Midrange Power behind a Set of Precisions on a Dual TB Intake Coyote.. 👍😎

[@jimmymccormick142]

I love the new mustang

[@robbysaw]

Coyotes love air, this is gonna change everything. First aftermarket company to develop that long neck air intake(bypass waterneck) is gonna be bankin for sure ill be ordering asap😂

[@ryanhummel7714]

What engine doesn't love air? I hear they're also into fuel and spark.

[@midnight347]

​@@ryanhummel7714lmao. I bet it won't pick up any power over an 18 manifold...a cj is still king what else is new lol.

[@ss8512]

More parts more problems. Performance v8 cars has been running single throttle body for decades no need for 2. Just another gimmick if you ask me.

[@JROC734]

Hellz yeah! F MAF unless you want to run aftermarket cams. The SD on my 18 F150 5L is the bomb!

[@Linknelson]

Bet Ford will have to pull what Chevy did for the remodel in one year for the dash for the mustang like the face lift for the Camaro from 19-20. Other than the dash the car is sweet. The digital dash was fine from the last gen. They could of kept the traditional dash housing with a new digital look..

[@RA-lk1vz]

Great video!!!

[@JROC734]

Hey, you should cut those intake manifolds down the center and look at the profiles of the intake runners.

[@chrisfritz4611]

How much does that new dual throttle body intake cost??

[@bigcncguy]

How will gen 3 and older ecus drive 2 throttle bodies tho

[@jonasbaine3538]

I have no desire for the 650 intake but I do want that TREMEC

[@rjmorgan8820]

I hope somebody figures out something for the early Gen coyote engine cause I would buy that in a heartbeat

[@terryfairway1097]

How would you connect both throttle bodies to a gen 3 harness? They're both drive by wire aren't they?

[@latemodelrestoration]

Someone will figure it out. It'll only be a matter of time. Yes, the two throttle bodies are drive-by-wire. -Landan

[@michaeldials9291]

I really just want to upgrade my rear calipers to the four piston when ford gets the upgrade kit

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

Why not leave the same size of the 3 With dual throttle bodies would that be the most powerful seems like they made more gimmicks

[@jpogigtxcr1778]

Not cool for aftermarket vendors. Gen 3 intake already show little to no improvement when replaced with aftermarket. Now that we have two. Definitely a waste of money to replace those two tubes

[@TevynSmith]

No need to complicate things, MORE AIR MORE FUEL MORE POWER.

[@brandonjones2565]

Two 90mm Ford Racing 90mm, with 2 x JTL would be tight af looking on my 13GT

[@NITROUSnBIASPLYS]

Would you just LOOK at it!! Thank goodness it doesn't fit previous gen motors

[@nissanbrown6144]

Foxbody and newedge s197 and s550 allday.

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

I can't wait till I have the money to stage 1 Whipple my 17 GT... I know I will need a new clutch, oil pump gears/sprocket, Fuel pump, injectors, and Whipple.. I want to use as many Ford parts as I can, Like GT500 fuel pump, Injector's, GT500 Half shafts... It gets expensive fast.. The Whipple is 8K, right away I will need a clutch, and the list goes on..

[@blueboy9564]

gen 4 manifold versus gen 2 cobra jet comparison plz . 🔥🤘

[@stevenp3176]

Would have been cool if they did a dual TB/plenum for the GT350 when it was being designed.

[@caseymurray7722]

If it was a traditional flat plane firing order it would've helped immensely in making more power. The problem is the coyote block just isn't setup well for a flat plane crank. The rod ratio just doesn't work well. You need a block with way bigger bores in order for it to be an efficient flat plane design. This is why the lt6 is in a completely different family that the rest of the lt engines.

[@davidblalock9945]

I’m wondering if anyone is going to make a version of the gen 4 manifold for the Godzilla?

[@Realfox37]

I thought that Dual intake was only for the dark horse?

[@latemodelrestoration]

No, they will be available for the Gen 4 Coyote, which is available in the GT and Dark Horse models.

[@charleshenson4183]

They're gonna add twin turbos to it. You heard it here first.

[@bullittboost6046]

I think the dual looks cool. That being said it doesn’t add anything from a performance stand point according to Ford. Not sure why Ford didn’t use a bigger single and bigger air intake to counter the carbon epa stuff. I think it’s going to be a tuning nightmare when or if comes available. Until somebody shuts EPA demands down, the muscle car from my generation is completely dead. For me I like the new Stang from a daily driver standpoint. An I like the new Whipple/Ford kit, just wished my wallet like the new pricing. An one thing that’s extremely aggravating is gas guzzler tax on all manual’s.

[@al90vette]

How do they compare to the boss intake?

[@latemodelrestoration]

It's already been proven that the 2018 (gen 3) intake manifold is better then the Boss intake. I can only assume that will be the same for the 2024 (gen 4) intake because of the similarities to the gen 3. -Landan

[@accordv6er]

So does this mean the only motor with the 21-23 f150 bolt hole pattern is that one? Suck. Was hoping the other Gen iv would fit

[@latemodelrestoration]

What bolt hole pattern are you referring to? Intake manifold, throttle body, water neck? -Landan

[@mikehouser8308]

you may see the 2024 Mustang GT but not the Dark horse it is still on hold

[@ClickbaitMotorsports]

Dual MAFs sensors ... no more tampering, I mean modding, the engines. Welcome that locked ECU with open arms.

[@Teddyatlastwobrsincells]

Cars with two throttle bodies have been tuned lmao stop crying like you’re building parts from scratch. 350z’s have had dual throttle bodies. These cars will be tuned.

[@ClickbaitMotorsports]

@@Teddyatlastwobrsincells Go ahead. Be my guest. We all need canaries in the mines. 😂🍿

[@midnight347]

​@@Teddyatlastwobrsincellsyea with Ford approved tunes. They're going to be significantly hampered by the tuning situation for years to come if not permanently. People need to wake up and smell the roses. It's literally riding on an s550 chassis. A locked down face lifted s550 passing as an "all new" mustang. Knock yourself out man lol. I know its a hard pill to swallow that the new mustang sucks and the best days of Ford are behind us but these are facts and people need to wake up.

[@Teddyatlastwobrsincells]

@@midnight347 stop acting like you’re going to immediately make a crazy car out of it that’s the .01 of owners. You drive a 4.6 you don’t have that. I have a whipple gen 3 tuned by pbd with lth and many more aftermarket parts look at my reels. C8 was locked , hellcats have been locked, bmws have been locked. And all now tunable

[@slaterelliott3780]

@@Teddyatlastwobrsincells well that's true but from 21 plus they still aren't even as accessible as a 18 to 20 so youll be waiting awhile

[@mariQ09]

Gotta love ford man. They pay attention to the consumers and the aftermarket, they’ve seen all the Twin Turbo kits on Gen 1-3 coyotes and came up with this crazy design for an intake manifold/ Throttle body.

[@midnight347]

Lol twin intakes don't have shit to so with "so it would look cool with twin turbos Der derder" lol. .it's likely an emissions thing it isn't needed for power making its just a gimmick really...

[@100X00]

مقارنة جميله ..معلومات جيده👏🏻🌼

[@goblinwolf8174]

i wanna get this on my GT350!

[@mikehughes8023]

For what? You’re making more power without it🙁.

[@goblinwolf8174]

i just want something different than the cobrajet intake.@@mikehughes8023

[@canadatech2484]

Imagine changing the MAF 😂 remember changing the starter on a 12 ford expedition. Ford likes to make some things harder

[@RandomGuyAgain]

Damn I can’t wait for the N/A guys to do this swap.. 😂😂😂

[@Alex-pl1ye]

In the boss 302 days the cj was a boss manifold with a mono blade the 2018 can flow almost like a cj they added another tb to basically do the same as a cj while keeping it low profile

[@midnight347]

It don't work that way. Cj is still going to be the best intake. This prob makes the same power as a gen 3 intake an all motor 5 liter can only inhale so much air it only needs so much air.

[@302hobronco]

They are making it easier to pipe in two turbos lol

[@Acekid187]

Thats pretty cool

[@andrestnt]

Stupid design 😂, Basically to deter tuning. Yo get almost no benefits from having 2 throttle bodies in stock form.

[@728GT]

Aside from the benefits Ford stated...

[@MiturBinEsderty]

Gen 1 and 2 Coyote are good looking engines with the 5.0 cover. A mustang 5.0 engine hadn’t looked that good since 1993 the gen 3 had more power it was just and ugly engine

[@ricepony33]

It costs significantly more to manufacture double the components, it is likely more than just marketing.

[@nissanbrown6144]

I stay with the ford raceing and boss 302 intake.

[@KeithSchwerin]

Gt350 and 18+ outdo the Boss.

[@JROC734]

@@KeithSchwerin N/A, 18+ 5L F150 times do not reflect that common sentiment that the Mustang guys push about the Boss 302 manifold being inferior to the GT350/Bullitt/18+ MGT manifolds. Hell I think the Boss 302 trucks are running faster times than the CJ trucks.

[@asherogden3056]

I know coyotes love boost, but this coyote is going to crave boost

[@lynex83]

I'm more interested in seeing how Whipple and the others answer this.

[@andyreid6869]

Two is better than one.

[@RoadRaceCoyote]

Is nobody going to talk about the fact that you literally can’t run this on any factory ECU gen 1, 2, or 3? MAP vs MAF and no provisions in the ECU to control 2 throttle body’s

[@61484]

Cool

[@mooosestang]

I think they made it a lot more expensive for very little gains.

[@TheIshlabu]

Test it on a gt350

[@johnbaidas]

I already don't like fly by wire TBs. Two of them are worse. Twice the problems. #bringbackthrottlecables

[@mk5rob42]

Still rather get a cobra jet manifold....