#204

[@night_h4nter]

wait, wtf? that's an unexpected, but very welcome guest indeed

[@wyfyj]

The Primeagen is the reason I started using emacs.

[@vilian9185]

lmao

[@bew]

cursed comment x)

[@jongeduard]

@@bew You can still use Vim keybindings as far as I understood. I even use Vim plugins for Visual Studio and VS Code. Linux made me a better Windows user too. Such as Rust made me a better programmer in general. Things can go strange ways sometimes.

[@christopheroliver148]

My old saw is that I know enough vi(m) to get emacs running. More seriously, vi(m) is a good editor. Emacs is a good editor. Both can be used to write great software. The best editor is the one you have the most experience using.

[@auntiecarol]

Preach, brother!

[@arjix8738]

This feels so surreal, as if two AI are holding a convo.

[@vaisakhkm783]

Cuz it is two AIs having a conv

[@dezly-macauley]

Prime was the one who showed me how to make my code editor my own. After I switched to Linux, Brodie was the one who showed me all the tricks that make Linux awesome. It was so tempting to switch back to Windows and vscode during the first few months, but I kept listening to these two and now I wake up every morning to a dev environment that actually makes me excited to code (no matter how rough life gets)

[@chriss3404]

An operating system built by a community works best when you really become a part of it! The part about eventually reaching a good state with Linux and my customization leading a heightened desire to code 100% echoes my own experiences around motivation. Absolutely love this comment.

[@dezly-macauley]

@@chriss3404 Wishing you all the best in your coding journey!!! 🤘😎🤘 Never feel bad for taking the time to work on your dev environment. It's a journey not a sprint. I WISH someone had told me that years ago. Nothing will make you hate coding more than fighting with an environment that was setup by someone else. 6 months of Neovim / Neovide, Arch Linux and Hyprland

[@sweetbabyalaska]

what a great crossover show! Thats so wild. thanks Primeagen for coming on, you and Brodie have been big reasons that I started using Linux and started learning programming. What a treat.

[@FarLine99]

biggest surprise this month whwhwhwhhwhwh

[@darukutsu]

well, I guess next time Linus coming as guest

[@Lognodotdev]

Luke would probably be more likely

[@KnightRiderOfVoid]

​@@Lognodotdevthe probably are talking about Linus Torvalds not Linus Sebastian, what could possibly Linus Sebastian add to the conversation about Linux/programming other than very basic and general comments?

[@Redyf]

The crossover we didn't expect but needed 🙌

[@John223]

How much tea did you give him to calm him down before the show? He did not scream TOKYO, did not bounce on his ball and didn't have to go pee either 🤔

[@chriss3404]

Prime on that chamomile 🍵🔥💯

[@SeaWasp]

That can looks like a beer we have in Canada called PrimeTime. It may not be, because he eased off on altering substances, but if not, it's an uncanny coincidence. If it is a PrimeTime, the man is committed to his part!

[@ryanmcconkey6204]

Duo of the year 2024. Absolutely unexpected but I enjoyed this very much as a huge primeagen fan :)

[@happygofishing]

THE LINUXAEGON.

[@spagettech]

Primeagens neovim guide was so helpful for me. Nice interview

[@shatterstone3045]

That was such a great episode and flowed so well that I genuinely lost track of time. I've seen him in my recommended but I haven't checked him out until now and I wish I found ThePrimeagen earlier.

[@computerfan1079]

Never ever expected the Primeagen on here but I'm very happy 😂

[@keyboard_g]

My school didn’t teach source control at all. The concept wasn’t broached until preparing to start working professionally. Its extremely frustrating to learn what gets missed.

[@AnalyticMinded]

Very nice getting ThePrimeagen! I can honestly say that he (and Tsoding Daily) were huge inspirations for me to stick with i3/Sway. These guys are prime (pun intended) examples of productivity and efficiency in coding, and yet their setups are as basic as it can get. So, kids, don't let anyone tell you i3/Sway is inferior. Take a page from ThePrimeagen and simply focus on refining your skills/workflow and you too will get blazingly fast!

[@katzetante5599]

Legendary crossover

[@adonespitogonaif]

I had a different experience in college. Our curriculum was special that it was created to support underprivileged students. It was 1 and a half year academics and one a half year OJT for a total of 3 years. My first introduction to programming was OOP in java. It was wild.

[@KnightRiderOfVoid]

It's awesome that you got Prime, it was a really nice conversation! Keep it up Brodie, excited to see your growth and future guests 💪💪

[@nngnnadas]

As long as we agree ed is the standard text editor.

[@darukutsu]

I use notepad+pen

[@nngnnadas]

@@darukutsu How do you save that to magnetic tape?

[@MrMeneldor]

It's so nice to have a guest with a good mic ♥

[@richjamjam]

Two of my favourite youtubers! Yay!

[@Lampe2020]

3:08 That's exactly why I'm doing so many little random projects, simply because I have a dumb idea and want to make it work.

[@ari-mcbrown]

What a wholesome conversation. Nice crossover! Stay awesome guys! ✌

[@crissdell]

I didnt expect this crossover, I love it!!

[@windows99]

Brodie and ThePrimeagen in one video?! Amazing. Love them both

[@joaomachado9105]

holy, i wasnt expecting this collab but i love it !

[@nodupe]

I really like both of you, the interview was really nice - very different of what I expected! Great!

[@stefun666]

Great conversation and great guest, Brodie! I've been following you both around the internet and it's been a pleasure listening to your exchange of topics!

[@KrolixWormix]

That's a crossover i've been waiting to see

[@demipy]

Awesome, i didn't expect this!

[@zawadhyaa]

Man two of my favorite youtubers together. This is gonna be amazing

[@Burgo361]

Believe it or not I've been watching you a fair bit longer than I have watched prime, I'm excited to see this collab/interview

[@singha360]

YOOOO did not expect this crossover

[@hammerheadcorvette4]

The Startup gaining support here !

[@jacobpyke7620]

Good god, I haven't heard about Graal in a good long while hahaha. I remember also learning to program through that because I applied for an admin job on their Classic iOS servers. Said I was a developer and just absolutely winged it 😂

[@Flash136]

Love seeing two of my most favorite KZbinrs together. This is awesome!

[@andreaszuber4341]

Somehow my two favored tech channels got fused. What is happening?

[@SnowDaemon]

Didnt expect this colab at all. lol. Awesome to see Prime and Brodie together though

[@mikereynolds1368]

Great job on this interview. At the start I was afraid it was going to be another rehash of a few other prime interviews, but was not at all. Really enjoyed this.

[@bitcode_]

this is a plus, I wasn't expecting it for whatever reason, but I'm so glad it happened

[@baldpolnareff7224]

That's the crossover I wasn't expecting but that I needed. I love this guy, I've been binge watching his videos for the last month or so. He truly woke the fuck out of me and motivated me to be a good developer

[@meLokeshRawat]

Blazing fast

[@mskiptr]

To me, the appeal of (purely) functional programming is that time isn't one of the basic building blocks. Other than that, many functional languages come with tons of cool constructs and generally good design decisions. (though so does Rust)

[@happygofishing]

Functional programming feels like a toy for unemployed mathematicians.

[@mskiptr]

@@happygofishing Even if that was true, what would be the problem with it? But there are plenty real-world use cases of FP (including even the purely functional kind). Nix | Guix are founded on these principles. Emacs is all about Lisp. Shellcheck is written in Haskell (writing a comprehensive tool like it would be much harder in C, Java, Python… imo). Heck, even Excel formulas are purely functional!

[@happygofishing]

I dont mean FP is bad, i mean strictly FP is stupid. You dont have to limit your tools, just write FP when you want it to be FP.@@mskiptr

[@mskiptr]

@@happygofishing (your comment got shadowhammered btw) I have nothing against using a non-FP language when it's a good tool for the job. Available libraries, your experience, etc. are typically way more important then what paradigm you choose. If you meant that purely functional languages are bad because "they disallow imperative approaches", then that's simply not true. Python and JS give you some functional constructs built out of procedures and step-by-step execution while Haskell lets you model imperative constructs using data structures and evaluation. Neither way limits what you can ultimately do, but the change in perspective can have massive impact on how you will structure your code and what will be easy to achieve.

[@jongeduard]

@@mskiptr The way I see it, is that boundaries between imperative and declarative, functional programming are disappearing. A lot of functional programming languages have adopted more imperative code and imperative languages have adapted tons of functional stuff. Modern languages are designed with both concepts at the same time, such as Rust. Every statement is actually an expression, and every expression can contain statements, etc. And even OOP is evolving too. It's being simplified, no longer the only concept in code and the inheritance model is being replace by composition strategies. Again Rust as example. Rust has methods, but uses composition via traits. Mostly compile time, optionally with dynamic dispatch. Everything evolves. Great observation about Excel. I realized the same. There are more examples. Think about SQL select statements. SQL is already declarative as a language, but actually functional with select statements. This is also why a thing as LINQ exists in C#, which is system of higher order functions, written in an query style syntax.

[@jongeduard]

Amazing to see both of these great guys who I watch a quite a lot! I am both a software engineer and operating systems hobbyist, so that's how that happens. Especially when it's all about Arch Linux, Vim and the Rust programming language what they often talk about.

[@dylanelens]

One thing people forget about fp is that parralelzing pure function is extremely easy since there are no side effects

[@TheIceMan9304]

This is such a good episode I'm going to watch it 3 times!

[@davidli8936]

22:59 True, OOP is actually SO SLOW in Python. I tried organizing a demo ML inference script once by converting things to classes, but this caused my code to run 100x slower. I thought I made a mistake in the code. In the end I just functioned everything for the demo and rewrote the actual pipeline in java.

[@esra_erimez]

I"m not a big fan of ThePrimeagen but Brodie is such an excellent interviewer, I have to watch

[@therandomguy1701]

This is an unexpected crossover, which I enjoyed.

[@fishsayhelo9872]

the very FIRST brodink & primagerb classic 👍

[@bigpod]

whenever i listen to people talk about VIM how they use VIM and so on i just get the feeling that when coding you ahve to code the code and code the environment to code your code

[@akkesm]

Hey, we just like to code

[@bigpod]

@@akkesm when im coding i like to focus on what will be final product not everything around it

[@DarthVader11912]

@@bigpod That's why the vscode devs cannot get stuff done if something in their editor changes. You should learn the tools you use, every dev should.

[@bigpod]

@@DarthVader11912 idk VSCode rarely changes and yes people who use VSCode get lots of stuff done i would bet more then VIM users because VSCode imo gets more out of your way then VIM

[@aaaaanh]

I have to give mad creds to my intro to OOP 2 with Java prof. He took a shotgun and blew my brains out (ok, maybe not the best metaphor in this climate) with the memory space concepts and especially when it came to linked list. At that point, I have already been working as a dev for a while and I thought I knew everything, until I took his class. Fkn pogchamp of a prof.

[@djsigmann]

NO FUCKING WAY Crossover of the millennium here folks

[@aymanpatel5862]

Collab we didn't expect but we needed

[@Rustmilian]

Brodie and Primeagen in the same video. ❤

[@lipo9499]

Ive only started to take programing seriously when i started watching the primagean. I used vs code for 2 weeks and (before that it was Arduino ide) then switched to neovim and loved the simplicity. No menus, no settings, no bs ui. As i found myself saying it would be nice if vim did… i would just look for plugins and install it. I love always knowing the capability of my editor with no hidden settings or bs. It makes coding alot easier and faster process. I will say regardless of what you do with vim. Remapping “:Ex” is a absolute must. Also without a LSP i started writing correct syntax more often and it is rare for me to get syntax compile errors now which is nice.

[@GambuSaur]

Thanks for the talk !

[@tyler...]

I'M HERE FOR THIS CROSSOVER

[@ThisIsSparta-k2m]

My two favorite KZbinrs in the same video. Oh my oh my oh my! ❤

[@JoshuaMaciel]

Perfect outro

[@PragandSens]

I have one question.... HOW, HOW did u get mr blue tinted hair to the show daaaaamn this is gonna be epic!

[@uuu12343]

You GOT THE "The Legendagen"

[@Little-bird-told-me]

39:02 *I too use Linux to for Window manager* . Waiting for Cosmic to come along.

[@CEOofGameDev]

LUA MENTIONED!

[@Fanaro]

46:30 The browser does have a grouping tabs at this point.

[@TheShitpostExperience]

On the topic of colleges/unis, courses, etc, which is often relevant to things that are only covered at a surface level (like git) I always felt that the teacher's focus wasn't really to teach you how to properly use it for most cases, but rather to cram in a small part of your memory, that said tool exists for the use case you need, so you can look it up and learn how to use it on your own, or at least that's what it's been mostly in my experience. I've been always the kind of dev that is at work, has a need and then remembers about something a teacher said in college or a coworker said at my previous job, then I just pull the string and end up downloading and using that tool. Similar with git, I don't know how to do advanced stuff since most of my workflow is in the IDE, but I know most of it's features so I can look up the docs and do whatever I need with it.

[@Lognodotdev]

You had the opportunity to shill hyprland, and i could see the thought brewing in your eyes, but you didnt pull the trigger.

[@petter9078]

That outro was amazing :D

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

Nice to see you two on the same channel

[@aplolyon-mh2of]

Congradgulations to Prime for joining the rust foundation!

[@adjusted-bunny]

Question for ThePrimeagen: How often do you use visual mode?

[@JessicaFEREM]

I'm never going to use vim but you do you. I simply don't use a text editor enough to bother with something more than VSCode or notepad++

[@brockdaniel8845]

Great video !

[@LampJustin]

Congrats Brodie. Great content! ;)

[@kahnzo]

reading about Vim is like dancing about Architecture

[@danboid]

© Frank Zappa

[@JohnJohnson-dl8oq]

Great interview/discussion!

[@dylantaylor490]

Helix is the best CLI code editor I've used so far.

[@Karn0010]

Love the outros.

[@stevenspring9889]

Working in devops i worked in vim for many years. A year ago inaccepted an engineering position in a Windows environment. My main language became powershell and i was unable to overlook the tight integration with vscode. I have settled with vscodevim.

[@TrowGundam]

Well this wasn't a combo I ever thought I'd see. Cool.

[@mattjax16]

Love this goated colab

[@m4rt_]

the elixir example is also a thing in Haskell, for example: sumArray :: [Int] -> Int sumArray [] = 0 sumArray (x:xs) = x + sumArray xs

[@wilfridtaylor]

Oh wow I remeber graal it was a lot of fun.

[@mskiptr]

ghghgh why is YT shadowhammering that comment! Brodie, please click "Sort by" and then "Newest first".

[@kokoinmars]

elixir mentioned!

[@johnr3936]

This was so good thanks to both of you.

[@calebekstrand]

If Nvidia on Linux is giving you issues, look into NVK. It’s still in development but it’s starting to look promising.

[@This_Guy-]

Prime here damn . I still did not watch this vid since it's long so I'll watch it later but i don't know how it plays out you are decently calm and prime is super loud 😂😂

[@74Bagas]

what the, what crossover.. wild!!!

[@baguettedad]

Unexpected, but well desired

[@lpanebr]

What a great surprise!

[@m4rt_]

git lfs (large file storage) is a git plugin you can use for binaries

[@fanshaw]

Love the Primeagreen.

[@qweriop]

wow chatgippity now can create videos?

[@m4rt_]

I use Vim/Neovim and GNU Emacs (Though with Evil mode. Which is vim binds in Emacs.)

[@user-sb5vt8iy5q]

Unexpected colab

[@lritzdorf]

Current Montana State student here - Hunter Lloyd is still teaching, and his reviews are... mixed. I liked him, but you kinda have to autocorrect him in your head at times. Also he'll occasionally miss a class because he's in another state, doing a comedy show

[@RicoTrevisan]

Elixir mentioned!

[@adjbutler]

NixOS video WHEN?????? WHEN!!!!!

[@ravenecho2410]

My first touch with programming was like wow, and then umm like xaanga lolol