Tower Knight and Penetrator Old to New Battle Theme - Demon Souls

The new Penetrator theme is 10/10, but they didn't keep the ''HA HA HAHAHA'' for the Tower Knight theme wich is the same problem the new Allant theme had, removing what made the old theme special is kinda bad, but the new one is still a decent theme.

[@RamChop451]

I wish they would allow us to choose the original soundtrack in the remake. Those visuals with that weird as hell music would be quite the experience

[@GothicSoldier9000]

It would be great to get a patch with the option to switch to the old themes. Both soundtracks are good in the sense that the old ones are more unique and memorable, while the new ones are wonderfully oppressive and bombastic.

[@parallellines2568]

I think the intent is to be oppressive. Considering how powerful the bosses are, the zealous music is supposed to convey that, i think.

[@Garl_Vinland]

If you pay attention to the Syntax of the original game, which is narrated by an old woman, Demon’s Souls is kind of a campfire story, so it’s appropriate that a smaller carol sized orchestra play the songs.

[@theonewhoismany8072]

Get the Digital Deluxe version

[@Edgelite306]

So what I have gathered: Original players: hate the new music New Players: enjoys the new music

[@haydeng3541]

I never played the original, so I enjoyed the soundtrack, but I was disappointed with the changes as I had heard bits of the Demon's Souls soundtrack before

[@sunset261]

New is generic. Old is weird and unique. New tries to hard to be "big" and "epic" like bloodborne when DeS had a totally different character to bloodborne.

[@Rohback]

old players got the nostalgia glasses on, but no cap if they put the ha's in the new one and kept the same overall feel it'd be perfect

[@yaboiN3O9]

I am an exception of the OGs, I like all of em

[@yaboiN3O9]

@@sunset261 I mean, dunno about you, but for me this doesn't sound very victorian style

[@Avenger85438]

The new one keeps the rhythm of "Dun, dun dun dun, dun!" but change the rest to give them a unique sound. The Tower Knight's is more bombastic to reflect his size. The Penetrator's is a mix of dread and heroic, that reflects the knight as he was and the monster he is now.

[@dimitriosgladio059]

Yep, I like what they did

[@ryzacobalion3622]

Original theme: Very classic to the hardcore fans as choir saying "HA HA HAHAHA!" is very fitting given the lore of Demon's Souls. In a way, it reflects the fat officials laughing at your efforts and would enjoying seeing you being squashed by the Tower Knight. But then comes in Penetrator stabs the Fat Official like a Kobob and is ready to show how it's done in Boleteria. Tower Knight's new theme: I love how dramatic it is and how it gives The Tower Knight such overwhelming presences compare to the player. Literally making you feel you're fighting against a giant that can't be beaten from his size. And orchestra and choir help it by building the tension. Penetrator's new theme: Again I just love how dramatic it feels and I feel like if walked in through the fog wall that would have been a perfect opportunity for his theme to kick in. And it honestly fits well with his lore as well from an honorable knight that he once was now fallen from grace and now he's a monster on the hunt for new souls. Overall I really like all three of them. Original will always be a classic for the OG fans but I really like how bluepoint made their own boss theme very distinct from one another yet they also kept most of the core rhythm from the original. I know a lot of people don't like the remake versions of the soundtrack because it doesn't feel the same as the original which I respect their opinion about it.

[@madelynn7585]

Same, I literally agree with everything you said.

[@ryzacobalion3622]

@@madelynn7585 Thank you!

[@SpitefulMutant]

Gotta give it to the og themes, although the new ones are certainly well made, they just dont feel distinct, I feel like I've heard songs like this from countless other properties before.

[@blobbything2986]

Look at how much they've grown...

[@xXRunDeathXx]

from software did not make the remake

[@edwardperez3535]

RIP HA HAHAHA HA

[@FendergodGaming]

Holy shit this makes me love the remake even more! Absolutely loved this game and god damn is the music impactful

[@shimmereyes8984]

1:33 It clearly is noting a presence that is demonic, the dissonance created by the choir gives a chaotic atmosphere that exudes uncertainty and eeireness in a more folkloric way. Is still conveying a grand fight, but in a more sorrowful way. 7:35 It sounds like if blood was flowing in the air. The choir adds another otherwordly dimension, as if the entity faced was deatg itself, the disturbing nature lf the chords that build up tension, that could also be interpreted as the soul of the demon dancing a sort of "Dance macabre" with the player with yet again the eeire supernatural feeling. I think this example can pretty much sum up the messages both versions convey. I don't think any of the two are intrinsically superior, both just convey different things. Even Tower Knight's theme is altered this way: The initial choir in the Original soudtrack sounds eerie but misterious, as if the force behind the demon was of an uncertain nature, and there is an atmosphere of unease surrounding it. The very staccato voices could also hint about the clumsy yet earth shattering steps the Tower Knight makes, giving it a narrative dimension. On the other hand the remake version focused more on the scale of the demon: the arrangement is heavily accentuated and it gives the impression what the player faces is a mountain of steel. At the end of the day everyone has a different opinion, but I believe both convey their message through, and both serve their respective version of the game nicely.

[@calfae01]

Is it bad I prefer tower knight's remake theme? Both are great, but the new theme just feels like I'm about to enter a huge battle and I'm one hit away from an instant death. My favorite part is 5:00 - 6:00.

[@ErEntheANIMATOR]

Nothing bad, the remake without reference of the original is well orchestrated. I gives it a bit more dark souls 3/bloodborne vibe and they're not bad tracks. The original is just super iconic and unique that it has a lot of it's own charm that it doesnt feel like dark souls side story but its own universe.

[@donkilla1589]

People nowadays always have to either love or hate one thing over the other. I personally like each version of the themes as IMO. It's like, you have to hate the new and love the old or hate the old and love the new. It sucks that people can't just enjoy things. I like both and even you don't like one, then don't hate on people that like the other.

[@vanjaarsic1616]

New ones sound like Bloodborne and God of War (before 4).

[@notacockgobbler2054]

Yh I thought it sounded a bit like the old gow games

[@borealsullivan5486]

I really warmed up to Remake's soundtrack as time came by... But the thing that buggs me is that it's a "Dark Fantasy Epic Battle Music" and no longer *the* Demon's Souls soundtrack. Remake's soundtrack can be implemented into any dark fantasy ARPG and wouldn't feel out of place, but Demon's Souls soundtrack was it's own... Guess you really can't replicate uniqueness

[@aceoffours9354]

Not even the original demon souls had that vibe- and if it did, it was because the lighting and graphics were so poor and the music was so bland that everything was dreadful to be around. You are literally a slayer of demons, you are a hero.

[@borealsullivan5486]

@@aceoffours9354 I wouldn't waste my time trying to make you see what I see. You either get it or you do not.

[@aceoffours9354]

@@borealsullivan5486 There's nothing to get.

[@borealsullivan5486]

@@aceoffours9354 As I said

[@aceoffours9354]

@@borealsullivan5486 As /I/ said.

[@ZzVinniezZ]

Penetrator new theme is a must since originally he shared theme with tower knight seem very weird while TK old theme feel like you enter in a battle against bunch of archers aiming at you and massive enemy in front of you. the laugh choir is more fitting due to "only the stupid one would go in against all odd" while the new Theme is more fitting as 1v1 in "David vs Goliath" feel

[@androblade3009]

I genuinly think the new demon souls ost’s sound great and like a lot of them more then the original ones. The old tower knights theme has a memorable type of laughing chant all be it repetitive but, the new tower knight theme gives him a more powerful immense feeling like you are going up against a towering giant.

[@MrLeapFrog]

I feel like the new tower knight theme was trying to be more like Dark Souls when Demon's Souls is not Dark Souls.

[@frisby7143]

I wish the game gave you the option to use the old soundtrack

[@theonewhoismany8072]

Digital Deluxe version does.

[@djcrimsonsunbird3607]

@@theonewhoismany8072 I have not heard that at all

[@_dibbs]

@@theonewhoismany8072 unfortunately you are wrong. its just a download for the remakes ost

[@Arthur_Goated.]

Both,Both are good.

[@ShadowsOfTheSky]

The new one sounds good, but the thing about demons and dark souls games is the atmosphere the music creates. The original created a much better atmosphere while in the boss fight, and is a *better boss music for that fight.* the new one certainly would be better to listen to for enjoyment, but it can never match the feeling the old one creates during the fight.

[@ShadowsOfTheSky]

And this is true for nearly all the songs in the remake. They technically sound “better” and are probably more enjoyable for casual listening, but they can’t match the feeling and tone created by the originals.

[@coasterlife8935]

I agree except for 2 bosses, flame lurker and storm king

[@4blasphemy]

@@coasterlife8935 yeah, not that false opinion, might even be true

[@lightrelorbo9715]

@@ShadowsOfTheSky i feel like this is more subjective, as i feel as though despite the original “choir” being removed in the newer version, there’s still a lot of emotion conveyed. Plus, at least it isn’t an entirely new track, if anything it feels like an homage which i feel fits for a remake such as this

[@SergeantPear]

Lots of people will hate me but I like the two new themes over the old one. The old tower knight theme was basically like "let's make the theme repeat the same tune for almost the entire song." It was repetive. The two new ones are imposing

[@Theendman42]

You don't have to worry about people hating you here. I personally like both, I think the remake's OST for Tower Knight still gives off that massive power feeling of being in the presence of a royal giant. And the Penetrator's theme, a variation on the Tower Knight's theme, while also feeling more fast pace and piercing. A feeling that you're fighting a very different foe from the previous one, but that they still hail from the same history and land. The original one captures the feeling of shared history and that they're both powerful foes. Being that these two shared a theme in the original, there was a clear lineage. I would agree that the penetrator could have used a different theme though.

[@SergeantPear]

@@Theendman42 thank you for not hating on me : )

[@dimitriosgladio059]

Oh yeah fully agree

[@ErEntheANIMATOR]

Why did they need make the Fat Official so gross looking, like there's so much other grotesque looking enemies why they make him? But in saying that they did perfect for Tower Knight and Penetrator

[@danilokavanagh9406]

I think the new sound better but the old was so original and different its was better

[@FendergodGaming]

Yeah og is cool but this remake music hits way harder! Love the remake so much

[@AveLukas42]

In the description, this is exactly why I prefer the old soundtrack, it was unique, no way near the same as others Souls games, now with the choir and all that, it's too similar to Bloodborne or Dark Souls III

[@tiborszakal5799]

Yes. But even BB and Ds3 have a more appropriate use of music. Those games only had this kind of hyper bombastic, over the top choir When you come across a really important boss. Meanwile in the remake, all music is like this. It's not bad but not really different from what you hear in a god of war or other big budget AAA games.

[@notacockgobbler2054]

@@tiborszakal5799 I thought almost every song in ds3 sounded the same apart from bosses like Gael and soc

[@tiborszakal5799]

@@notacockgobbler2054 while I agree that ds3 had the less varied soundtrack out of the soulsborne saga, there is a huge difference between pieces like darkeater midir's and the deacon's ost.

[@madelynn7585]

New tower knight’s theme

[@weasel003gaming7]

wtf man? New penetrator theme at least isn't a copy-paste! And it doesn't sound bad at all. And I've work with Instruments for over 7 years so i know what im talking about! :) (not a shitpost, just my opinion)

[@azyrennvd4814]

@@weasel003gaming7 ???? He’s saying that the new penetrator theme is the best of the three

[@weasel003gaming7]

@AzyrenNvD oops. Nevermind then lol. im not deleting it tho, it belongs to the internet now XD

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Weasel003Gaming random opinion

[@irgendeineperson5350]

@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 LOL

[@maarkinhoboladaum9005]

A diferença é gigantesca no nível de "epic"

[@KuantumSuicide]

They should've let us choose between the new and the original soundtrack, but it's ok I guess, sounds like a new game.

[@theonewhoismany8072]

You can if you purchase the Digital Deluxe version.

[@jotadio608]

Some are better in the remake like the beginning, flamelurker, and the one who craves soul... Some are better in the original like tower knight, maiden astraea, and Demon's souls(main theme) Some are good in both but has a different vibes, like the Old king Allant theme. The OG old king allant sounds terrifying and intimidating while the new one sounds more climactic and emotional. But some are shits in both such as the maneater and old monk

[@nathanb5579]

I think the old versions a little better. Has more of a horror movie vibe. Like something from the omen or something like that

[@Stungenfahren]

What "accommodating to a modern audience" does to a great classic.

[@Nate_Doggin]

I think the original soundtrack was better than the new one. The soundtrack in the original Demon Souls series had a way more intense to it for each boss especially for the flame lurker his was epic

[@aceoffours9354]

The flat funeral march was epic? It repeated every 30 seconds and had no direction. Do explain. The remake is 10000% more musical and fitting to the game.

[@strudeldaco8071]

@@aceoffours9354 Nah, you're dumb. The new one's sound like your typical boss music found in any triple A rpg.

[@ghostreflect5940]

Have the complete opposite opinion regarding the Flamelurker track. Flamelurker ost is one of the few that actually fits in more with having more crazy orchestral track like the remake did.

[@_dibbs]

@@aceoffours9354 the remake's ost is just trying to replicate bloodbornes, one of the composers said it themselves. original ost had much more direction, every track was unique and memorable. demons souls remake is very different in tone than the original so yeah you could say its fitting to the remake, but the game originally had a bleak tone and atmosphere which is something that the remake is completely absent of. they are both good games, it's just that the demons souls remake ISNT demons souls, its not faithful to the original and therefore its a different piece of art. its clearly evident you werent around to experience the original, and i am very sorry for you

[@aceoffours9354]

@@_dibbs i have no idea what you’re attempting to imply but Demon souls was shit when i first played it in 2009.

[@chudneythomas8673]

I personally like the original more

[@_dibbs]

:D

[@KainSwiss]

I love both, but prefer the new ost over the old ones. I just don't get the hate here. It's more dramatic, the old music was just great, but repetitive also

[@WildDogGamerBoy]

Some people just let their bias get the best of them. I also prefer the new ost over the old one any day. My fav track is the new Maiden Astraea theme.

[@TKBadMoon]

While they are more dramatic, they are less unique in many cases. Demon's Souls original soundtrack stands out due to it's near minimalistic sound. In many cases it sounds like there only 2-4 people playing instruments in a room. It gives it a niche and interesting sound. It sounds like an audio director putting together the best soundtrack they could under large budget constraints for a niche game in 2009. It's a very specific and hard to replicate feel, similar to why you can stumble upon the Cheetahmen theme, and despite having never played it to feel nostalgia for it, find it really nice to listen to despite the constraints it had to jump through. In the remake tracks, everything is overtly dramatic and far more orchestral. This is still good, just not exactly what made me care about DeS' soundtrack. There is a massive de-emphasis on the drums and horns of the original, and sounds are far less isolated with the introduction of seemingly an entire orchestra with super professional mixing. If I was looking for dramatic and orchestral I'd be listening to the massive amount of content from classical legends, not Demons Souls, personally. The lack of the booming, isolated drum and horn backbones in many songs make me like them less by default.

[@KainSwiss]

@@TKBadMoon The new music was made to enhance the experience. I totally get why changes had to be made. It all makes sense to me. Preference is normal. But the hate is not needed at all.

[@KainSwiss]

@@WildDogGamerBoy The new one is awesome. The old one is good for what it set out to achieve. I love the out of tone parts in the old version

[@aceoffours9354]

@@TKBadMoon Either you're not listening to the new ost, or you're so drunk on nostalgia you're willing to die fighting for the bland, boring, and insulting original's soundtrack.

[@crocodileman94]

The original sound quite silly considering what you're up against.

[@ninjastar4076]

Original sound was scary

[@gotyournose6479]

Demon's Souls isn't Dark Souls. The remake tried to make it what its not

[@henryzhang9771]

Not saying the new osts are bad, but the original one is better.

[@FWeltonPerry]

If you like the original it's OK if you like the remake it's OK but if hate the remake remember it's a remake and I like both themes.

[@TherealDarthSlayden]

A lot of people want to be negative at the new remake ost.. But the remake did quite remarkable. I guess a lot of people like the taste of icecream flavored pizza and acid too :/

[@unknownnothing9159]

Like fr, let’s be honest, hearing HA AHA HAAHAA HA as the ost to such an epic boss fight is something I would not enjoy, lmao. I still think DSIII and Bloodborne were my favorite osts of all time.

[@dimitriosgladio059]

@@unknownnothing9159 YES, glad someone isn’t insane

[@WUBMEWHITE]

Everyone says the old is better but I don't see it tbh. Yall biased af

[@yourewallsareveryconvenien8292]

They all nostalgia blinded.

[@yaboiN3O9]

it's a different vibe, both are great for the vibe of each, OG Demon's Souls with a more creepy and horror vibe and Remake with a more awed and majestic vibe

[@thegamewin100]

Nostalgia is a bad thing tbh

[@xfabkwood9321]

New one just sounds a little too big. And i'm not nostalgic I haven't played either.

[@zornstein_-9472]

New tracks are kinda bland compared to the stuff we got in the dark souls games, so i think the old themes are better for the fact theyre unique and more fitting

[@jeanpaulgartier3404]

New themes are just musical paste. No character

[@theonewhoismany8072]

Take off the nostalgia glasses.

[@_dibbs]

@@theonewhoismany8072 if you cant understand where op is coming from its not even worth trying to make you see his point of view. I dont have any nostalgia for the original and even i can see that the remakes ost is just trying to replicate DS3s or BBs without actually trying to be faithful to what made the original ost so unique.

[@slinttu1378]

@@theonewhoismany8072 You don't need to have listened to the original and have "nostalgia" to say that the new themes have no character. Literally the epitome of generic "epic orchestra", nothing special or memorable about it.

[@liambenn1214]

The new one is much better. By far.

[@melv.v8549]

The old one bland af

[@DonPichote6898]

Thank you! Someone said it!

[@ninjastar4076]

Old one is anything but bland

[@heerosagayuy2143]

Ok be for real now the remake is far superior. That old one wasn’t scary or anything it doesn’t even suit the whole vibe of the fight. It’s funny not scary or imposing.

[@godzillazfriction]

you're definitely way too sped

[@ihatefanserviceanime364]

Nah

[@baggedbread]

@@godzillazfrictionnostalgia fueled delusion

[@anatoliasmercenary.]

@@baggedbreadwhat a creative comeback!!!!!

[@baggedbread]

@@anatoliasmercenary. "nah"