+24 The Vortex Pinnacle Review | Discipline Priest

[@WhallonJesse]

I like what you said about making people the best at their spec and not just whats meta. You are giving the community a breath of fresh air, very needed. Thanks for posting all you do. Keep up the great work!

[@JustDiscipline]

It's more important

[@gabriellatulio]

That “you need to role to HPal” happened to me. I’m a HPriest since Legion and I really enjoy playing as Priest. In SL s4 got 3k io, but now HPriest is so weak in M+ and so impracticable! If you don’t have the BiS trinkets you’re not able to run a +18/20 easily. I’m trying Disc atm, and I’m enjoying as well. You bring a lot of knowledge and I’m addicted to your vids. Keep with the great job!! Huge kisses from Brazil ❤ wish u the very best!

[@JustDiscipline]

Thanks love, let's all just try and be our best at our chosen specs!

[@FarFromPort]

I'm so sorry you've been experiencing that feedback from the player base. It's very frustrating getting into groups right now for 20 keys. I've really appreciated seeing your videos. You're a great teacher here on this channel with m+ and various dungeons. I hope you find further support and success on metafy.

[@JustDiscipline]

Thank you, really appreciate it! If you could vouch for me over there it would help! Best,

[@FarFromPort]

@@JustDiscipline Already done!

[@jonathanmoore6919]

Another great video, love your very unique approach to the game and fantastic educational content. You have played a huge part in renewing my joy in playing WoW and doing keys!

[@JustDiscipline]

Thanks for watching :D

[@berezerker9499]

Can’t agree more, pointing out your mistakes and talking exactly why you do this and that referencing your UI is pure gold. Just a heads up: wow will always be toxic, just don’t take it seriously. You are doing well, just keep it up! People will always find something to complain about, being the class you play or transmog you use.

[@JustDiscipline]

@@berezerker9499 UI is everything... especially for Discipline. And I think toxicity is everywhere in the world lol

[@shakeitoff1000]

It’s the same for me as a Prevoker. Nobody wants me now augmentation is so strong. The reality is, unless you’re pushing +30s, you could literally run a group with the most “off meta” specs possible and still time whatever you want. Like you said, bring the player, not the spec!

[@JustDiscipline]

100%

[@kwstas1290]

Imagine my frustration as a Devoker main... I literally cannot play my spec in mythic+, only in raiding. Every single group tells me to switch to Aug.

[@blessupaustin7796]

Also, I came across your vids and have picked up healing for the first time because of how educational and passionate your vid’s are. Keep it up!

[@JustDiscipline]

Thanks dog, love the spec!

[@oskararvidsson3709]

100% vouching for you bro! 💪🏻

[@JustDiscipline]

Appreciate!

[@oskararvidsson3709]

@@JustDiscipline honestly thinking of going healer again as shadow becomes less and less fun to play 🤣 might snipe a coaching session down the line 💪🏻

[@JustDiscipline]

@@oskararvidsson3709 if you're in it for the fun aspect, nothing beats Discipline once you get the hang of it!

[@Nicolae94]

Hey man just wanna say , keep going I m learning alot form your vid I m not much of a healer but I always wanted to try disc but I been hard to pull it off and U are doing amazing, Ignore the Meta slaves it will always be like this. Keep going and Be the best Disc u can be it awsome

[@JustDiscipline]

It's a subject I pay no mind to. When I see so many people influenced and controlled by those ideas I honestly cringe. Sucks being in a minority, but I play what I want!

[@Turdfergesun]

I can’t wait to see your content on the 10.2 rework!!!!

[@JustDiscipline]

Excited to see what they meant!

[@Turdfergesun]

@@JustDiscipline I mean when they said HPal was underperforming they got some love, let’s hope for some huge disc buffs! (But reasonable so they don’t get taken away 2 weeks later lol)

[@spidermyst]

Hi William, I am a big fan of your videos. I just started playing recently and fell in love with disc healing and your videos have been a tremendous help in my beginner's journey. When I look at your HPS, superb timing and overall mastery of the spec, it really inspires me to get better! I went through the weak auras and add-ons your linked (very useful stuff) but I could not find anything about your "proc HUD" (for lack of better words). It seems that you managed to display instant radiances as the outer white arc, and are able to see your surge of light procs as well when shadow covenant is active (The default HUD stop displaying them when shadow covenant is active and it drives me nuts haha). Would you mind sharing how to setup a similar HUD?

[@JustDiscipline]

So my action bar HUD is not made of weakauras, nor do I recommend that. I use the action bar addon called Dominos and just put my action bars in the middle of my screen. Standard action bars are way better for spell casting. However, my display for Radiant Providence isn't shared on purpose, but maybe I'll share it! My purple screen shift should be available for Shad. Cov. if that floats your boat!

[@Heyitsfreddy]

Instant sub. Disc is the 2nd “best” healer. Suspect it’ll be meta very soon. This is from the “community” perspective- obviously disc in you hands is meta++!

[@JustDiscipline]

Keep those words away from my channel! Not a religion we subscribe to around here! :SD

[@Bruized]

well said man, I get the same issue playinf Blood DK ...it's frustrating that you have to play these certain class specs to even get a chance I hope for the games sake it changes soon

[@JustDiscipline]

I think we in a better place now

[@srandista11nuda59]

Thank you for this video I actually tried this dungeon on 18 with friends and squid build (I love squid it is so much fun that I do it almost all the time) and it went fine except for the Dragon bss fight where I always needed the help of my pala friend and he was offhealing there.

[@JustDiscipline]

Squid is my FAVORITE! As long as you are getting 7-9 torments in each window you should be golden. How many you getting?

[@srandista11nuda59]

@@JustDiscipline Yeah the number is not so consistent idk if I have low haste or I do some things wrong but usually I get around 5-8 depending if i use pi or something else

[@JustDiscipline]

@@srandista11nuda59 getting 4 SW:Death Torments is key! Aim for 9 with PI!

[@Theparadoxd7]

Would be nice if you moved the ability tracker to above chat or something semi close to where your cast bar is, hard to follow all the way up in the corner. Plus youtube's title blocks it half the time. Also how valuable is it to keep your dot up on every target? Is it if you get full value keep it up always?

[@JustDiscipline]

I don't know if I'll move the tracker, but where my cast bar is you can see instant casts too. PtW is incredibly powerfu to keep rolling. There is a point where if a mob has less than 20 seconds of life you start letting them trickle off- you can get more from other spells at that point.

[@Theparadoxd7]

@@JustDiscipline Ty

[@blessupaustin7796]

Hey Disc, I think you mentioned showcasing some raiding at one point. Still up for that?

[@JustDiscipline]

Prob not anytime soon sorry!

[@bluolive]

I tried a pally and I just couldn't make it work. So I worked on my priest. I love her I just panic when ppl are dying and I'm new to healing. I let ppl know ahead of time.

[@JustDiscipline]

Good to find what you like and are good at! Different for everyone, too!

[@easysquisher1799]

new to playing disc in DF, why arent you running twilight equilibrium? every top build for m+ appears to run it. What are the benefits for running anything else over it?

[@JustDiscipline]

I honestly just don't like TE. I'm not really bothered by what other priests do or what third party websites say. I believe in this video I put that point into extended Rapture since I was running Aegis. Really powerful talent for a couple of the nasty bosses in here as long as you have a UI to maximize it!

[@noelthiers]

Love your videos! Have you considered using Dominate Mind on Incorporeal? Especially on boss fights on Tyrannical. Pretty sure it debuffs the boss with the Destabilize debuff. Just wondering if this is something you considered and chose not to use.

[@JustDiscipline]

I have used it quite a bit, but I've had it wipe groups more than once- and that's too much for me. That's why I use Shackle

[@noelthiers]

@@JustDiscipline Gotcha. I'm only running low keys. Probably more forgiving. First time playing disc priest and loving it. Your videos help me out a lot. Cheers!

[@JustDiscipline]

@@noelthiers thanks! I love disc!

[@zacher7799]

Question regarding your grid2 profile. For some reason I am getting the Atonement icon in the top right corner along with what ever spell I used to put the Atonement .I have tried to figure it out but I am stumped. Any suggestions on where to look?...Thanks

[@JustDiscipline]

I’m happy to help you troubleshoot this. Off the top I’m not 100% certain why- can you send me a screenshot?

[@zacher7799]

@@JustDiscipline drive.google.com/file/d/1UQ-LGzOhErVA0ljIEbBsjwcINVKwwh7X/view?usp=drive_link

[@alancoll1987]

New Disc Priest for the last month or so. Just this week breaking into 20's and I am loving it. I agree on the toxic atmosphere with Holy Paladin right now. Its stupid and childish. I like the face that my Talent build is similar to yours. One question. You do not have Twilight Equilibrium. Is it not required?

[@JustDiscipline]

The fact that you've been led to think TE or any talent is Required is similar to the HPal meta hivemind. Nothing is required in wow even if some website suggests it. :D I don't play TE because I hate it and still 100% parse so.....

[@alancoll1987]

@@JustDiscipline Thank you. I have been itching to remove it so I can talent something else I like more. :D

[@JustDiscipline]

@@alancoll1987 try to box yourself in less with WoW! Some talents are non negotiable, but some are more user’s choice. 1 problem I have with content that promotes a meta spec or a meta build is that it leads people down the wrong path. I’d be interested to see your gameplay and rate how close to 100% you’re maximizing your spells. THAT is what I think more people should worry about.

[@alancoll1987]

@@JustDiscipline Thanks. I have been using Clique before i found you. Most of my keybinds are of course on the mouse. 3 are on the keyboard but are right next to WASD. I also prefer the long rapture and strong shields and then ramping. :D

[@JustDiscipline]

@@alancoll1987 out of curiosity, what spells do you have on your keys?

[@일좀그만줘어]

Hello Watching the video helps me a lot. I have a question. How to change frame color when applying Atonement.

[@JustDiscipline]

It's a pretty easy feat when you know how, but you'll need Grid2. Just import my frames!

[@일좀그만줘어]

@@JustDiscipline thank you. Let's try it!

[@timthrelfall4481]

Thanks for the explanations! What is wall? You mentioned it a few times.

[@JustDiscipline]

Desperate Prayer. Every class has a similar defensive spell. Generally called Wall

[@lutter57]

Man I really want to learn how to play Disc, it seems like a lot to learn.!!

[@JustDiscipline]

It is. But worth it!

[@ShellyBBird]

Where can I find that power word radiance instant cast visual thing? I didn't see it in the weak aura link

[@JustDiscipline]

That one for me only :D

[@marcelgaming1381]

Do you find it very difficult and stressful to play disc priest (healer) in comparison to a dps in higher keys? I think healers have it the hardest because they have the most actions per minute in average because you must cast so much stuff and so fast and multi-task a lot on 3 things: mechanics, healing, dps

[@JustDiscipline]

It is considered the hardest spec, however I’m veryyyy used to it.

[@marcelgaming1381]

@@JustDiscipline I guess you are super disciplined to have learned it so well and do high keys. Players that lack discipline will never master the "discipline" priest. I had a guild mate of mine that did a +22 before on his disc priest teach me all the basics in 3 hours (yea I really needed that long to sort of get it and set up my addons and mouse keybinds (just like you)). It seems really complicated vs anything I played. For most of my WoW life I played warlock, hunter and a bit of warrior. Discipline priest is something totally new for me.

[@JustDiscipline]

@@marcelgaming1381 Yes, it is very different than the rest of them! Love it!

[@srandista11nuda59]

Btw I would be interested in the 1on1 coaching but I am thinking that some people will wait for the promised changes to disc priest before getting coaching. Looking forward to the rework to get more build options for this. Btw what are your thought on the potential rework for Disc priest?

[@JustDiscipline]

Once I get partner on Metafy I would love to have you as my first student- although numbers are being reworked this week, the bulk of what I have to teach is unrelated to all that! I'm looking forward to the rework big time, curious to see what the devs mean by looking into altering talents.

[@albingallo124]

Did you ever heard about dominate mind/mind control wild vortex in this dungeon? ive been kicked for not knowing that O_O

[@JustDiscipline]

Yep, it can be helpful in many ways!

[@Madsimann16]

When it comes to meta and non meta: for me its more that its not the class, its the player. For instance, ive played every healer, ive mained disc for so long that im really bored with it. Always wanted to play hpal, so this patch is the only patch where ive found it fun. Even though, i would say that if it is a disc main i would never hesitate to bring it in ly own grp when im not healing. Because i know what they can do. Same with the other classes. But, with that said: bringing a prot pal with a disc or now guardian with their support spec i think would be a good comp to help with healing in tough situations. You’re not alone in the grp, literally almost every class can help with defensives and healing. So by that i mean that every class should be viable, just build the right team.

[@JustDiscipline]

Bored with Discipline? That's impossible!

[@Madsimann16]

Yeah, sadly i went away from disc. Branched off to other healers 😂 getting bored playing the same class, also a little altoholic 😂

[@JustDiscipline]

Blasphemy! @@Madsimann16

[@Madsimann16]

😂 a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do 😅

[@MrTree-yw5yw]

Looking at how many actions you have to do in order to top your group makes me realise my switching from disc to hpala was a wise step. I just hit 2 buttons and that does the trick... All in all, always good to see discs carrying people on bosses like this, keep it up.

[@JustDiscipline]

Wise if you're lazy and bad :D

[@MrTree-yw5yw]

@@JustDiscipline After playing disc from the end of Legion straight to DF I realised that I'm tired of cutting my way through the bushes with a pair of rusty scissors when I could just use a turbo mower. It's not about easy/difficult, it's about optimizing your efforts. And you calling me lazy&bad is not nice, I bet your parents haven't raised you to be this kind of guy.

[@JustDiscipline]

@@MrTree-yw5yw I can say whatever I want here, you came on a Discipline channel talking about Holy Paladins, you had it coming. Just because you couldn't handle Discipline or found it hard doesn't mean anything to me, I find it easy and play it specifically for the thinkingman perspective.

[@MrTree-yw5yw]

@@JustDiscipline Keep convincing yourself that disc is a spec for elitists and "thinking" people (and not just a poor designed spec which needs tons of adjustments), I'm long past this stage. And who'd have guessed that you turned out to be a douche...?

[@0grdt]

Disc Priest will be my 4th Healer this expansion. Druid was ok, Shaman was fun, Hpal was not my fav playstyle, just wondering how Disc will feel

[@vanguelisk]

for me Disc is my 3rd healer, My first two are hpal and rdruid. I played Shammy in SL, but dont enjoy it now.Disc took its place I 'll start Season 3 on Disc priest, cause I am curious about the rework

[@0grdt]

@@vanguelisk i think Disc is worth trying. Also the rework does some for that, because Blizz did a pretty good job wizh the Hpal rework so my hopium is big

[@JustDiscipline]

Was my final healer and love it the most! I think my background in the other reactive type healers helped me when I finally got here

[@Logical-yf3wz]

@26:21 you said you wall plus rapture? what does wall mean?

[@JustDiscipline]

Desperate Prayer

[@Logical-yf3wz]

@@JustDiscipline ty man, because I panic a lot when I see the hp of the team falling down. I'm learning a lot as a beginner disc priest. Keep it up!

[@Fl4sch3W4ss3r]

Disc Gang 4 Ever

[@JustDiscipline]

helllzz yeah

[@jackparker2979]

I have two keybinds on my mouse and that is enough for me and theyre my fade and feathers and autorun lmao. Im used to doing everything with my left hand playing guitar and and or piano and I find it quite easy to retain both sometimes moving with wasd and using keybinds with wasd

[@JustDiscipline]

So I'm a musician too, played flute for like 20 years but does not change my stance on that approach being objectively less efficient. Actually proves the exact point I was making- I think a lot of people do this to themselves early on and build a game of twister into their approach which they spend years building muscle memory with. However, it's simply less efficient to have your movement and positioning inputs coming from the same hand. It's better to compartmentalize and divide those between your left and right hands. I'd challenge you to at least take all of your green healing spells and Atonement healing attacks to your mouse- if you leave some spells behind on your keyboard I think it's fine, but a bad idea to leave such frequent spells to compete with movement input. Moreover, for such important spells you don't want to ever have your fingers searching for the correct button to press, a mouse activation eliminates that. Smite for example I use roll forwards with my mouse, it's the most frequent cast we have. No way I want to have to control such a mundane and frequent spell with my keys and compete with my fingers for positioning over Smite. I loveeee talking about keybinds, if you're interested please reach out. I have a whole diagram of my system prepared and can talk more in depth about it.

[@mightypy7395]

@@JustDiscipline id like to see your keybinds because I do something similar and wonder if you’ve got any get tricks I missed

[@JustDiscipline]

@@mightypy7395 If you can reach out to my Discord I have my whole binding system laid out

[@politykable]

What macro you use for schizm and shadow conv?

[@JustDiscipline]

#showtooltip Shadow Covenant /cast Schism Not much to it!

[@politykable]

Dont use sequence schizm+shadow conv?great video btw😉

[@JustDiscipline]

@@politykable What do you mean!?

[@politykable]

One button schizm+shadow conv reset 24s

[@politykable]

I mean reset sequence macro schizm+conv

[@jaystrouip7553]

Your KUI import string seems to be broken. "Import Failed (empty table)"

[@JustDiscipline]

Sorry for the trouble, I just updated it. Should work now!

[@Houser01]

For the life of me, lol I can't seem to import the KUI profile. /knp import , I paste Disc's string in and it just gives me "Kui Nameplates Import failed (empty table)"

[@JustDiscipline]

@@Houser01 I am not sure what command that is you're using... try importing it though the options panel instead. Esc - Options - AddOns - Kui Target Helper - Profiles Please let me know if it still doesn't work! I'm tempted to think you don't have the 'Target Helper' download so that's why you can't import the code which is for Target Helper

[@Houser01]

@@JustDiscipline That was it - working now! Just need to config the actual nameplate - but the target helper is a-ok.

[@JustDiscipline]

@@Houser01 The meat of the work comes from the target helper, the core addon just set your width and height prefs, very easy!

[@Desimo22]

any idea how to import kui? /knp import and what next? or is there any other way?

[@JustDiscipline]

Sorry it is a little confusing. There are two halves of the puzzle. /knp import for the core settings if you like. And then within the Target Helper module you import for that.

[@andersonlopes1827]

This dungeon is my nightmare as priest. I feel like I don't know how to play to cast skills, to do anything. Just want to barbecue myself

[@JustDiscipline]

I actually don't mind VP or Barbecue!

[@andersonlopes1827]

Disc, the Grid2 profile that you use can be available in somewhere? Don't mind to patreon just for that :d@@JustDiscipline

[@JustDiscipline]

@@andersonlopes1827 Look in the description of this video!

[@andersonlopes1827]

@@JustDiscipline It is not working unfortunately, it says that the site can not be reached :(

[@JustDiscipline]

@@andersonlopes1827 I just tried and it is working for me! Perhaps try a different browser??

[@kyjealous1929]

Ultimately you're right, disc can perform well when played well. But why would I accept a disc priest when I have 10 Holy Paladins signing up for my group. The issue is that a paladin played at 90% efficiency would still be better than a 100% parsing disc. So if I have a pally and a priest applying then I'll simply take the option with the highest chance of success. I know nothing about either player, so I'd obviously choose the plate wearing class with overtuned healing as if you're both terrible healers, at least id have more chance with a terrible paladin. I'd go as far to say that calling players out for not wanting to take inferior specs is toxic in itself. The problem lies entirely with Blizzard and their testing, not the player base. Sidenote. Your videos are fantastic and I for one would love more frequent uploads. Subscribed

[@JustDiscipline]

Yeah so what I said is a 90% HPal parse (which isn't easy to achieve) is NOT out performing my 100% parse. I think you're grossly over estimating Paladins and underestimating others. The break points isn't as dramatic as you've been led to believe. It's an indoctrination process amongst the wow community where you're only saying this because it's what you heard. If you want to draft some numbers to show me a 90% parse from an H Pal beats my 100% parse, I will look at them. But all the figures I saw showed every Paladin under me in HPS and DPS. Moreover, I think this shows a lack of knowledge if you think my Armor type has anything to do with my overall defensiveness. And it's the craziest shit I've ever heard to say that since I don't believe in your doctrine I'm toxic. The problem is equally shared between the devs and players- as example here. Just because someone gave HPal a title of Meta doesn't mean shit to me and it doesn't have to either. You believe it means something absolute and significant because you want to believe it. It always boils down to the player. Period.

[@kyjealous1929]

I completely disagree with you. Are you arguing that a Holy Paladin does not have more tools and HPS to perform better than Disc Priest in M+ with 2 players with the same skill with both? I'm going to go ahead and assume you don't think that and are aware Holy Paladin is/was a better choice. So I will re-iterate what I said earlier. As I do not know the healers who sign up to my keys personally, I will ALWAYS choose the class that is better in that content. I have to assume both players are equally as bad/skilled as each other. That does not make me toxic, or mean there is a problem with the player base. It's simple common sense. And on your other point regrading survivability. Yes your armour type does matter. There are tons of fixate mechanics, physical aoe spells and general mob melee hits. A Holy Paladin is surviving a melee hit from a rogue mob on 26 fortified. You are not. Simple as that. Not to mention outside of armour the Paladin has more DR's than a Priest and is infinitely more defensive than a priest. TL:DR - Holy Paladin had more healing M+, better externals, Better survivability, Full immunities when needed and a lay on hands for emergencies. It had better damage despite disc being a damage to heal spec and it had interrupts and multiple stops to cc mobs. Overall without knowing either player behind the keyboard, you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not take the Holy Paladin. I agree massively with your point that the game sucked with such imbalance in the comps, but I can't understand how you can call the player base toxic for wanting the best chance of success they could get.

[@kwstas1290]

"I'd go as far to say that calling players out for not wanting to take inferior specs is toxic in itself". No it's not. Meta specs are only needed(and that's debatable) on really high keys(+27 or higher) so if you don't invite "inferior" specs at lower keys and you stay strictly to the meta, then yes you ARE toxic and you create a toxic community where only a few picked specs can progress.

[@JustDiscipline]

@@kwstas1290 thanks for chiming in, I couldn’t anymore.

[@kwstas1290]

@@JustDiscipline Me too. As a Devoker main i'm so frustrated about this "meta" bullshit. I literally can't play my spec in Mythic+ cause i'm always asked to play Aug. And what i find even more hilarious is that Devoker is actually one of the best dps for Mythic+.

[@enginguzelsoy]

when your 4 set raidence proc you have white circle middle of screan can you share this weak auro pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@JustDiscipline]

it just me for :D

[@enginguzelsoy]

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[@enginguzelsoy]

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[@JustDiscipline]

@@enginguzelsoy I'll upload it later after reset!

[@enginguzelsoy]

@@JustDiscipline hello my hero, i m still waiting your speacil raiance auro 🙏🙏

[@Norsztec]

the player is definitely more important than the class. except when you're building a pug group and your decisions are based purely on statistical performance without knowing anyone's skill. if i have to gamble on two players im always going to take the safest gamble. similarly i am also a player who won't always hard switch to fotm but i do take advantage of when i have a spec in my roster that is currently performing the best. the way i look at it is if i spend equal time and effort on two specs and bring equal levels of familiarity and skill with two specs- im going to play the spec that produces the best results.

[@WilliamBrandon]

I don’t agree with that exception!

[@Norsztec]

​@@WilliamBrandoncan you elaborate and tell me why?

[@JustDiscipline]

@@Norsztec becasue meta isn't always 100% the right choice. I will out perform most metas most of the time.

[@Norsztec]

@JustDiscipline right but in a pug I don't know that. if you are sitting in que next to an equal ilvl and equal io meta spec what incentive do I actually have at that moment to choose you over them? it doesn't matter that you are actually better. from the group leader pov both players have equal 50/50 chance of being "actually better". so the only metric we have to go by is statistical performance.

[@JustDiscipline]

Yeah, I think that's bullshit and stupid@@Norsztec

[@Theparadoxd7]

Here's a tip for you! # Is called hash, not hashtag. You've been on Twitter too long :P

[@JustDiscipline]

Interesting, I don't use social media.

[@Theparadoxd7]

@@JustDiscipline a wise decision.