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@johnrees44..G4EIJ
@johnrees44..G4EIJ Жыл бұрын
Hi Alan..This has to be a definitive demonstration of logical fault finding in a transceiver.. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to inform and educate the rest of us..73..John.. G4EIJ
@sreekumarUSA
@sreekumarUSA 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from California. The testing and diagnostics were quite systematic and very applaudable. The running commentary, crystal clear, composed and exhibits years of experience and wisdom. Thanks. The Porsche.... a real beauty. You are the best. Take care and 73s.
@paulcollins664
@paulcollins664 7 жыл бұрын
I love the logical way you work Alan, as always a good lesson in radio repairs 73 Paul
@TheRadioShop
@TheRadioShop 7 жыл бұрын
Your fault finding was excellent Alan. Process of elimination. Works every time. Great repair!
@PeterWMeek
@PeterWMeek 7 жыл бұрын
Dividing the signal path in half and then dividing the half by half (and repeat) - works (almost) every time. Great demo of the method. Thanks.
@kooox
@kooox 7 жыл бұрын
I lost nearly all my electronics knowledge unfortunately, but those videos are still really enjoyable. I'm doing computer programming now, and it always amazes me how debug techniques for complex systems are the exact same. Thanks Alan!
@Thinks-First
@Thinks-First Жыл бұрын
You have a gift for explanation and instruction. Thank you.
@_droid
@_droid 7 жыл бұрын
I really like these type of videos because this is exactly the type of thing I do myself and am always interested in learning how other people troubleshoot. Thanks!
@herbertsusmann986
@herbertsusmann986 7 жыл бұрын
Nice clean fix, good troubleshooting, no false garden paths to follow on this one! Nice!
@964tractorboy
@964tractorboy 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks. The Yaesu documentation and construction are also a joy to behold.
@mfgnyc7114
@mfgnyc7114 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent work Alan, you take the time and effort to actually educate the viewers of this video. Very nice video work, that goes along with your easy to understand explanation of your troubleshooting techniques of this 1000's receive problem. I will be checking to see what other repair log gems you have created. Thank You, 73s.
@w2aew
@w2aew 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks - I do have several other repair videos, as well as a few that are simply "walk-throughs" of the circuits of some radios.
@jagardina
@jagardina 7 жыл бұрын
I suspected the relay when you found the problem was frequency independent. Glad my instincts are still good. I haven't repaired a radio in nearly 30 years...
@marklowe7431
@marklowe7431 4 жыл бұрын
You're exactly the kind of guy who should be working on peoples pride and joy. Brilliant.
@MichaelLloyd
@MichaelLloyd 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. Good methodical, troubleshooting and great video / audio quality as usual
@CarlosAvellanet
@CarlosAvellanet 7 жыл бұрын
I wish all the repairs were that simple! Good Job!
@danishnative9555
@danishnative9555 7 жыл бұрын
Great systematic trouble-shooting process Alan. But you got off easy with the mechanical relay fix.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you get lucky ;-)
@MikeB_UK
@MikeB_UK 7 жыл бұрын
Hi. I just wanted to say a big thank you to you for your videos. As a lapsed electronic hobbyist I learn a lot at the same time as getting much enjoyment out of watching. I especially like the explanation drawings and schematics you sketch out when explaining some principle or circuit. Thanks again for providing such an educational source of information.
@FlyingShotsman
@FlyingShotsman 7 жыл бұрын
Nice work, Alan. Sounds like you were under the weather when you did the troubleshooting on this rig. Hope you're feeling better, and thanks for gutting it out to make us a video anyway!
@mattweger437
@mattweger437 7 жыл бұрын
What a great debugging process! You make the best videos. I have learned so much from your channel.
@mattweger437
@mattweger437 7 жыл бұрын
I was going to guess the capacitor. But mostly because I haven't seen a relay fail. Must have been used alot.
@emylrmm
@emylrmm 2 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration of good troubleshooting technique. I wonder why the relay failed.
@K1ZEK
@K1ZEK 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to make the video and explain your method of troubleshooting. 73 Leo k1zek
@bennockley
@bennockley 4 жыл бұрын
An Enthralling video, Alan, Steady Hand whilst soldering!!! and Your fault finding Is Faultless. I like Your Style, You put Me in mind of "The Radio Shop" in the States, if only You Blokes were both in Australia, I have an Kenwood TS820S that Needs some TLC to put it Mildly. Thanks a Million for the video, 73s Mate
@rollerbald
@rollerbald 7 жыл бұрын
Nice job Alan - thanks for posting this. Always fun and informative to watch your videos. 73, Bill.
@marklowe7431
@marklowe7431 4 жыл бұрын
I have this radio and exactly the same problem. Your video really helped not just in the fault but the method you narrowed it down. Huge help. Thank you.
@marklowe7431
@marklowe7431 3 жыл бұрын
Mine ended up being a few fast switching diodes on the RF board and FET J310's. I think the same relay was already replaced and the improvement mod to save the relay already done.
@doranplatt6394
@doranplatt6394 5 жыл бұрын
I have two "D" models in service, today. So far they have been fin rigs. This video offers some confidence that, when failure occurs, the 1000D is truly repairable. K3HVG
@g0fvt
@g0fvt 7 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, I have repaired a few of these and have one of my own so was trying to jump ahead. My own one has never had a fault. I was expecting a fault around the RX attenuator... or a loose connector in the first IF, the choices narrowed as you progressed.
@PapasDino
@PapasDino 7 жыл бұрын
Nice fix Alan...like your homebrew signal injector. I've always hated those TMP connectors and found it useful to make up a BNC to TMP dongle so it's easier to make a solid continuous connection where it needed to be maintained while I work but for a quick check your injector makes more sense. 73 - Dino KL0S
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the dongle - I'll have to make one, once I get my hands on a spare cable with a TMP at one end!
@pu1ypj
@pu1ypj 7 жыл бұрын
Dino, MANY THANKS! I ALWAYS wanted to know the correct name for those connectors and didn't found anything on the internet about them. TKS 73
@galileo_rs
@galileo_rs 7 жыл бұрын
Me too :) Yaesu used those bloody things in a loot of their radios ...
@PapasDino
@PapasDino 7 жыл бұрын
Felipe - the manufacturer's name is actually "Taiko Denki" but TMP is so much easier to say!
@DrFrank-xj9bc
@DrFrank-xj9bc 7 жыл бұрын
Good repair done. This unit is very repair-friendly, though.
@warplanner3258
@warplanner3258 5 жыл бұрын
Had me going their, Alan. The first shot in the sequence looked like you glued the FT1000 to the wall and that it was more or less floating in space.
@johnnyrebellion8672
@johnnyrebellion8672 5 жыл бұрын
I was all jacked up on that. I thought it was a magic trick.
@mikeharnett2410
@mikeharnett2410 6 жыл бұрын
For a poorly-skilled bench tech such as myself, this video is a godsend.
@chrisstorm7704
@chrisstorm7704 Жыл бұрын
I often try to guess what the most likely culprit is through the testing process, as well as predict what diagnostic method is going to be used to verify a component. I have to admit, I was way off on this video. I fully expected to see some meter checks to look for problems with the cap, tvs diode, or relay, but one little jumper wire later, the radio was diagnosed. Good stuff
@vonzigle
@vonzigle 7 жыл бұрын
Nice troubleshooting job--thanks for posting! 👍🏽
@vk6op648
@vk6op648 7 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the repair. Much appreciated.
@Dr88man
@Dr88man Жыл бұрын
Wow, an inspired approach and method to a daunting task. I have a mint FT-1000D where the S-meter reads S1 without signal. Can a S-zero S-meter calibration be done without a signal generator and oscilloscope? According to the service manual, the sub-RX S-meter calibration is in the RX-2 Unit, and the Main-RX S-meter calibration is in the IF Unit.
@TheRangerDale
@TheRangerDale 7 жыл бұрын
Very Good Alan and very clear understanding Process of elimination..Yes I like the little Gagits pop up in the test , Yea have to make one of those Hummm dingers lol lol As always enjoy watch the video's Alan 73's
@786jinga
@786jinga 7 жыл бұрын
Just woke up from my bed (it's morning here in india). Your video made my day. Awesome video !!
@boxingday11
@boxingday11 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this video together, really enjoyed your efforts. Regards Carl. G0lka.
@tomy983
@tomy983 7 жыл бұрын
Good job! What a radio!
@gliderpilot8882
@gliderpilot8882 7 жыл бұрын
Good job on the debug and repair ! Loves the video's. BIG Thumbs up!
@Luzt.
@Luzt. 4 жыл бұрын
All good things were already said in earlier comments so I can only thank you.
@baghdadiabdellatif1581
@baghdadiabdellatif1581 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you alan for the priceless explanations. In this days i am trying to anderstand the intermittent atunuation that happens in ILS detector its baseband 90hz & 150hz with no s miter.
@metclapton
@metclapton 7 жыл бұрын
Ahh good video, Always good to see the fault finding process , I have low RX in one of the UHF bands on my Icom IC R9000 but is hard for me to find fault i will have to inject some signals after the filters good idea thanks for vids
@BenSmithHuugs
@BenSmithHuugs 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always a treat, thank you!
@jbatlanta
@jbatlanta 7 жыл бұрын
This process is SO great to watch along with your explanations and "logic". Wish I could do that! Inspired to attempt getting my old Heathkit SB-104 working again! TNX de N0HRM
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. So much of troubleshooting is understanding the basic signal flow, and what to expect to see at various stages.
@g1fsh
@g1fsh 7 жыл бұрын
Really nice job Alan very well explained great video.
@kevinobrien8803
@kevinobrien8803 7 жыл бұрын
Really great video. With the first section (before mixer section) having no active components, what was reason for the inline capacitor on your probe. I think you said was to protect your sig gen. What would happen without that cap in situ? Is it because the DC voltage could generate a current into your sig gen via probe? Is this good practice when feeding signals into anything.
@alanwolke6253
@alanwolke6253 7 жыл бұрын
Some signal gens don’t like DC being applied to their output. Since the switching diodes work with a DC bias, it is likely there is DC present. Using a series cap is just good practice.
@kevinobrien8803
@kevinobrien8803 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I thought that would be the case. I suppose as long as cap is a small value and can cope with the tiny bias voltage then any cheap cap would do. What would be the sort of values you would use for this? Please do more of these walk through videos they are so fascinating to watch. Like a detective story.
@adnanmalik7364
@adnanmalik7364 7 жыл бұрын
wow mate excellent video!!! one question though, how would u differenciate between sensitivity and squelch in terms of detecting audio? what i know it seems same but they are different.
@alanwolke6253
@alanwolke6253 7 жыл бұрын
Squelch level is user adjustable, while sensitivity is based on the design.
@sanjayd411
@sanjayd411 4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding work! Very systematic and logical troubleshooting...many thanks for sharing the video...73 ..de KG9FA.
@steveaulick5863
@steveaulick5863 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I have a FT 1000 that I'm having basically the same problem and this really helped me with my repair. Thanks, Steve, n0vcu.
@dennisqwertyuiop
@dennisqwertyuiop 7 жыл бұрын
great repair
@clems6989
@clems6989 7 жыл бұрын
Actually surprised yaesu used all of those EM relay's in the TX/RX circuits...Great Repair..
@Traildraft
@Traildraft 5 жыл бұрын
Like a pro! I was able to follow along very nicely.
@bigfoottoo2841
@bigfoottoo2841 6 жыл бұрын
Alan, did you check the energy absorber? Either a surge from the antenna port or energy from the transmitter cooked the relay.
@robertcalkjr.8325
@robertcalkjr.8325 7 жыл бұрын
Nice work. Thanks, Alan.
@kevingray707
@kevingray707 4 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video!
@straightpride451
@straightpride451 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so proud of you lil dude. 😎
@matthennagersguitarlessons
@matthennagersguitarlessons 8 ай бұрын
Man, that was awesome!
@chuckgoede4778
@chuckgoede4778 5 жыл бұрын
what brand or model of vacuum desoldering tool is that or how much does an equivalent unit cost, capable of doing this type of operation? What is the proper wattage setting? Any suggestions? thanks, Chuck
@AboubakrA
@AboubakrA 7 жыл бұрын
Good repair and good video, as usual. quick question though, what does "s9" power mean ?
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
S9 is a relative power reading. Most common definition is S9 = -73dBm (50uV). More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_meter
@AboubakrA
@AboubakrA 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@bejsfan
@bejsfan 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 7 жыл бұрын
It is never the same problem lol. Nice finding and great video Alan! BTW never ever found this relay faulty. 73 Peter
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I saw some reports that this same relay part number shows up as a problem in the FT-1000MP. Not sure how this relay is used there.
@noormuhammadmalik2482
@noormuhammadmalik2482 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, great explanations! Thank you for this amazing content :)
@JackSoffalot
@JackSoffalot 7 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! I really enjoy these videos. Thanks de N2ZD!
@bigfoottoo2841
@bigfoottoo2841 7 жыл бұрын
Good job
@peterbatka1869
@peterbatka1869 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video ... thanks I fixed you YAESU FT 1000MP! I wish you good health :)
@josemiguez2375
@josemiguez2375 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Alan,i have the same problem with an icom ic-m710 but i haven't signal injecting directly at the first mixer.if i injecting a -73dbm signal with my signal generator set in the first IF frecuency after the mixer,the signal in the smeter is s9 too? or in the other words,the first mixer haven't amplification the in signal?thank you,great video as always
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
It depends on the mixer. Some mixers have gain, some have loss. Most have a little loss. In either case, you should generally be safe applying -73dBm, but be sure to include a series cap to block DC.
@worldradio456uk5
@worldradio456uk5 7 жыл бұрын
Hi there. New subscriber here. Excellent video as all your others are! I have to ask was that a metcal soldering iron you used ? Just curious as I have one .and think there excellent. 73s.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
It is an old Metcal MX-500P-11. Fantastic iron!
@worldradio456uk5
@worldradio456uk5 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for answering. there a great iron. The tips last forever. 73s. Many thanks
@MM0IMC
@MM0IMC 7 жыл бұрын
Nice logical repair job!
@mikep95133
@mikep95133 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Alan. What model solder removing tool did you use ? I solder with Metcal as well, but my Metcal desoldering station has never been as effective as what you are using. Thanks !
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
It is a Hakko model 808.
@mikep95133
@mikep95133 4 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew Thank you !!
@ElmerFuddGun
@ElmerFuddGun 7 жыл бұрын
16:50 - Factory bodge? Curious if the schematic has those parts.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
There were many post-manufacture service bulletins - I wouldn't be surprised if this is from one of them.
@MichelPASTOR
@MichelPASTOR 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Was the relay coil open ?
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
Haven't done a post-mortem on the relay yet, so I don't know.
@mikaelkarlsson9945
@mikaelkarlsson9945 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, and thank you for all the great and informative videos you publish.. I have a question, maybe you have time to help me. I'm about to troubleshoot a receiver which have gone dead. I have a good signal generator to use for the task. But how to best inject signal in the receiver path? Can I just use a regular RG cable with a 50 ohm termination close to the injection tip?
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
I would also add a series capacitor so that you don't disturb the DC operating point of the circuit you're testing.
@hawkeyes123
@hawkeyes123 7 жыл бұрын
really enjoyed this video :)
@drewsmith6066
@drewsmith6066 7 жыл бұрын
Cool fix chap well dune nice work.
@clems6989
@clems6989 5 жыл бұрын
SWEET RIG !! I really love the 1000....
@maro8D
@maro8D 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Alan I understand that injecting the 7.199 MHz in 7.2 MHz tuned receiver will result a 1 kHz tone only for AM modulation right?
@alanwolke6253
@alanwolke6253 7 жыл бұрын
No, the tone results when product detection is used for demodulation, such as LSB (lower sideband) in this case. Most receivers do not use a product detector for AM.
@maro8D
@maro8D 7 жыл бұрын
Ok I see. Just for experiment I tried it with a FM radio (baofeng uv-5r) tuned to 89 MHz broadcast and signal generator set to 89.999 MHz but I don't get anything. Well the static is OFF when I switch ON the signal generator but I don't hear the 1 kHz. What is pretty obvious because I feed only the carrier and not the modulating 1 kHz wave. But when I switched the signal generator to FM with 1 kHz and 10 kHz deviation I can hear the 1 kHz tune. I noticed that when I expand the deviation span the signal gets louder and when I decrease the deviation it gets quieter. Seems like this stuff is like kindergarten to every ham radio Hobbyist but I have my fun experimenting with it! :-)
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
Won't work with FM either, since it doesn't use a product detector.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you're getting the hang of it - good stuff.
@joecolee466
@joecolee466 10 ай бұрын
I have an issue with a ft-1000, the main Rx and tx are off frequency by quite a bit(over 1 MHz) but the sub Rx is fine, not sub tx. Any ideas of which board could be the problem? Tcxo seems on frequency. Thanks
@paulgerhardt6142
@paulgerhardt6142 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video Thanks Have an old ft-1000 and a MKV
@Nerrvih
@Nerrvih 7 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@adamaj74
@adamaj74 7 жыл бұрын
Where did you get your electronics education, if you don't mind me asking? I'm interested in this line of work but I'm not sure about where to get good training. Thanks.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
I got my BSEE degree in 1985 at NJIT (www.njit.edu). However, I got my start in troubleshooting & repair before that, when I worked in a TV repair shop. Troubleshooting and repair skills and techniques generally aren't taught in school however, they are most often picked up over years of experience.
@adamaj74
@adamaj74 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'm familiar with troubleshooting as I'm an industrial electrician and spend most of my time on breakdowns and automating older machinery. I don't have a lot of electronics training. I was looking at Devry, but after the ITT Tech fiasco I'm scared to go that route.
@gilleardbrosltdvideo9295
@gilleardbrosltdvideo9295 Жыл бұрын
Superb detailed video thanks. My old FT1000 lost receive between 2 mhz and 4 mhz as well as output power Any suggestions very welcome.
@vitorcezar5443
@vitorcezar5443 4 жыл бұрын
EXCELENTE VÍDEO... VOCÊ É UM BOM PROFISSIONAL!!!
@aerialheights5680
@aerialheights5680 2 жыл бұрын
10-12 years ago I read somewhere that Yaesu installed a transistor in reverse in the FT-1000/D, causing something like a 10-12dB loss in sensitivity, but I've searched and searched and cannot find anything about it. Have you any knowledge of this issue?
@w2aew
@w2aew 2 жыл бұрын
I am not familiar with that issue.
@Swataia
@Swataia Жыл бұрын
That is probably the Kenwood TS-940S case. And I'm not sure if that really did as much loss in dB, there is a lot of writing on that on both opinion...
@silverdr
@silverdr 5 жыл бұрын
Any chance you'd like to have a look at my FT-857D?
@davequick3373
@davequick3373 4 жыл бұрын
Nice job!
@wa6gxq
@wa6gxq 7 жыл бұрын
Great Video! 73
@jjoeygold
@jjoeygold 7 жыл бұрын
Relay teardown?
@yanwo2359
@yanwo2359 7 жыл бұрын
I too am interested in why the relay failed.
@loughkb
@loughkb 7 жыл бұрын
Nicely done, and I'm envious of your test gear! Kevin here, from The Old Tech Guy channel. 9 thumbs down on this vid and I can't see a reason why. That always perplexes me. There's 9 miserable souls out there! (ha). Did you take the old relay apart for a post mortem examination? I'm often curious about the failed part. Took a ceramic filter apart once and discovered that even though it was sealed, the interior had rusted metal parts. Probably moisture at the factory during the components assembly.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
I did pull the old relay from its housing, but didn't pull the reed cartridge from the coil - so never did a full post-mortem. It's tough to see problems inside a reed relay envelope.
@DaveMcAnulty
@DaveMcAnulty 7 жыл бұрын
Where did you get that nice thin coax?
@alanwolke6253
@alanwolke6253 7 жыл бұрын
It’s RG/174
@patrickbouldinkm5l143
@patrickbouldinkm5l143 3 жыл бұрын
@@alanwolke6253 Alan, just double checking, any reason why I can't use a DC block connected to my Signal generator, and then connect a standard O-scope probe to that? (at X1)?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
@@patrickbouldinkm5l143 Yes, that would work.
@unklebidii
@unklebidii 7 жыл бұрын
That's incredible. I know nothing about RF. But I want to learn about it. It's some very interesting stuff. Any advice, tips, etc?. I have little projects or circuits really that keep me busy but I'm always looking for new ideas that help my knowledge base.
@alanwolke6253
@alanwolke6253 7 жыл бұрын
Get a hold of the ARRL Handbook, good place to start.
@Radiowild
@Radiowild 7 жыл бұрын
I like how you isolated the radio to find the root cause. Job well done! BTW.... Why is it when I order repair parts it takes me significantly longer than you? lol 73's Bob
@alanwolke6253
@alanwolke6253 7 жыл бұрын
It only took a week :-)
@cristhianborrego7805
@cristhianborrego7805 5 жыл бұрын
Buenas tardes tengo un yaesu ft1000d tiene señal tx y ex pero no tiene audio en la bocina interna ya la probe y esta en perfecto estado ,le conecto los audífonos y en perfecto estado se escucha el audio en los audífonos
@w2aew
@w2aew 5 жыл бұрын
It is possible that the external-speaker jack is dirty. When you do not have an external speaker plugged in, the jack makes a connection to the speaker. This connection is removed when a speaker is plugged in. It is possible that this connection is dirty, and inserting/removing a plug in the ext-speaker jack a few times might clean it.
@cristhianborrego7805
@cristhianborrego7805 5 жыл бұрын
gracias por atender mi pregunta revisare el jack si tiene suciedad aunque cabe mencionar que ya lo habia probado con una bocina externa , lo limpiare saludos 73s
@Alessioalessio-qv1ff
@Alessioalessio-qv1ff 11 ай бұрын
Wich is better the 990 or the 1000?
@w2aew
@w2aew 11 ай бұрын
I don’t have direct experience with the 990 so I really can’t compare.
@donaldshields2483
@donaldshields2483 2 жыл бұрын
Very good job k1emw
@1903A3shooter
@1903A3shooter 7 жыл бұрын
Much fun, thanks, Dave W4GSM
@hg5icon
@hg5icon 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Great video!
@kamalhidayat3787
@kamalhidayat3787 7 жыл бұрын
nice trace troubleshoot
@peterfong2241
@peterfong2241 Жыл бұрын
Top of the day to you bro, can I send you a radio to repair ?? Am trying to buy a ham radio tru a friend in Georgia, but wen he get it, I would love someone to go tru it 100% before I get it in Jamaica west Indies, recap, align, peak an tuned etc, etc can you let me know, please an thanks !!
@yasindu
@yasindu 3 жыл бұрын
awesome
@wdtech_9
@wdtech_9 Жыл бұрын
nice tutorial....tankyou...
Yaesu FT-1000MP Repair
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