2G-ACM: Desert Tech 5.56 MDR - Finale' & Conclusions

[@Conan_Kilgore]

I think I still want one, and prehaps in .308. Personally, I like the idea of a carbine length 308 with enough barrel to take advantage of the ballistic capabilities of the cartridge.

[@Jesses001]

I think that is exactly what Desert Tech had in mind. I mean, looking at their bullpup bolt actions, they seem to have tried to make a precision rifle as short as possible for a while now.

[@carlsasau6162]

In my opinion that is indeed the role to fill for this rifle. There are just to many proven alternatives for 5.56x45mm with a lower price tag. But a precise 7,62x51mm in a semi automatic short package would be nice for various activities. But are there maybe other 7.62 bullpups available at equal or even better accuracy for a more competitive price? Better not crunch the numbers...

[@phoenixinvictus9880]

My heart says yes. My wallet says hell no.

[@stevedo18able]

@@carlsasau6162 mdr is definitely probably most accurate bullpup out of the top players, which is IWI, keltec, and under the radar K&M arms

[@FuzzyBrains555]

I don't know why....its probably because of science fiction.......I just love the aesthetics of bullpups

[@themastermason1]

Pretty much this. I love Halo's weaponry. Also I want a lefty friendly bullpup.

[@jaberie308]

the concept is excellent. the trigger pull sucks.

[@j.yossarian6852]

@@jaberie308 I've been wondering if the solution would be an electronic trigger. Bullpups are already an unorthodox design, why not go whole hog?

[@gannonwoods2456]

@@j.yossarian6852 Problem is the ATF. It would be too easy to change an electronic trigger to full auto.

[@scruggs6633]

I like the "Killzone" aesthetic of the Kel Tec RDB

[@petesheppard1709]

What would be really informative would be to get someone whose initial experience was on a bullpup (such as Aian, who ran an L85 in the British Army) for their perspective. ISTR that he mentioned that ARs felt a bit foreign to him.

[@jamesmckenzie9551]

Pete Sheppard yeah, I used the Aug for years and you’d be shocked how quick skilled operators can make them work and how smooth the reloads are.

[@Urzaban]

As impressed as I am with the MDR I'm still keeping my future AUG on layaway.

[@DrWolfensteinz]

That's a good choice.

[@YorktownUSA]

Here's to the MDR and AUG.

[@mrfrosty3]

I'd love to see that Lithgow F90 as a comparison. I'm trying not to think of all those FAMAS turned to scrap.

[@herbvergara1]

I checked Inrangetv archives and I don't believe they've had much time behind an AUG. Ian's discussed it in detail on ForgottenWeapons but aside from that, no shooting footage.

[@dchil15]

As in the EF88? Well when the Kiwis went to find a rifle after the F88, requested 2 rifles for trials. Thales sent over 5 EF88s, 3 were rendered non-operational during testing and they sent the other 2 back without even bothering to test them. They adopted a M4 variant.

[@shanehall6081]

I had friends on that trial. The big thing with the lithgow product was we couldn't get the quantity of lithgow AUG'S in the time we needed them. The steyrs did alright from what I was told and still one of the preferred options of the guys in the trial but the lmt was a favourite.

[@FloppyCDdrive]

Just watched "they shall not grow old" ww1 documentary, it was played in a English cinema here in Germany which is my favourite cinema. I think you recommended this one in the past. I really enjoyed it it was a very good movie.

[@jantschierschky3461]

My personal observation is, my rifle in the army was the G3, except for the weight and not been able to zero it I loved it. I went to to french army on exchange for 2 weeks, with few days on the range with the famas. I had issues with the selector in the trigger guard, big hands. Mag change and pull length. However for me being a driver great for getting in and out of car, truck, apc. In my personal opinion and observation, having friends in Australian army. Believe a bullpup is great for drivers, tankers anyone who works in confined spaces and needs weapon for self defence. As point Australian army uses the AUG, but SAS and other special units use an AR style rifle.

[@foleymaj]

Also for mechanized infantry, not just the drivers. Then again, you might as well have a folding stock (or a carbine with AR-15 platform and deal with the shorter barrel) on your standar layout rifle so...

[@jantschierschky3461]

@@foleymaj I would say folding stock better option, depends also on your apc etc. As I said confined spaces, that not use rifle for combat. Operating in support

[@nirfz]

i would say the reason for the Australian SAS ect using AR Style Rifles is due to these Rifles beeing the "Barbie" of Rifles ->The available accessories to put on is unrivaled. And those guys have a much bigger need and ability to use and customize mounted accessories than normal soldiers. Also i think the Australian factory producing the FA88 for their armed forces (Lithgow?) never produced any AUG variant with rails. The Austrian Army and Police special units use different variants of AUGs with rails and accessorie mounts. (also 9mm variants in some cases) They get theirs from Steyr... The mag change: i think that is mainly a "beeing used to" issue: if the first rifle you are trained with is a Bullpub, you automatically reach for the mag behind the pistol grip while if you are used to a "traditional" rifle you may find that awkward. Same for mag release...

[@jantschierschky3461]

​@@nirfz well the SAS guys I know say is more about the handling and speed of use, I seen pimped out AUG as well. I do agree comes down to training and experience, however some who were trained on the AUG and don't forget that is the main weapon till the they change years later, when they become members of SAS etc. The main reason Australia uses the AUG is because all are mobile and the experiences with the FN shown some issues with a very long rifle. For Austria is see lots of value in a Bullpup, if you operate in an alpine environment, however switzerland has not adopted one even it is more alpine. So I go back to what I stated, if you drive, operate in support, close confinement yes great option.

[@jantschierschky3461]

@Spicy Meatball well it is used like that, as well as MP7. But logistical having 3 different calibers, is an issue. Also a gun with an effective rage of around 150m verses one with 300m is to consider too

[@collinmagrah922]

I think you guys have totally nailed it. Unless you are considerably better off with a bullpup, i.e. Tank crew, getting in and out of vehicles constantly et cetera, you're better off with a carbine! I love bullpups, but push comes to shove, I'm grabbing a carbine!

[@unrulyares1337]

Bought one in 5.56bwill be ordering 308conversion I love it it's solid platform

[@nicholasfears7907]

Serious question: Couldn't someone make a FAMAS style bipod where each leg is on one side of that free floating hand-guard and have the bottom clean or run a VFG or something for purchase?

[@ericmoney4572]

They make mlok bipods that connect individually to each side of the handguard. I think that they are only made by utg currently, but I'm sure that a better company will have them pretty soon.

[@tokirak]

I'm sure there's a market for bipods that mount via the top picatinny rail and fold down like the FAMAS. It would work for this rifle as well as more traditional AR-style stuff as well

[@Jmlee149]

3-9 o'clock bipods do exist, and they can be mounted on the MDR, but they they can interfere with the charging handle.

[@FinalWarrior591]

Side-mount bipods exist (UTG Recon Flex, comes in two sizes (5.7"-8" and 8"-11.8"); VLTOR also makes a set), over-bore bipods also exist (again, UTG makes one, as do other manufacturers). The issue with the UTG Recon Flex is that if you stow the bipod legs forward they'll be past the muzzle (with the standard/factory flash hider), necessitating something like a flash can or a suppressor to avoid potential damage to the bipod legs; if you stow them backwards, they'll interfere with the charging handles. Over- or under-bore bipods that can stow backwards (e.g. Atlas bipods) are probably ideal for the MDR, assuming you don't want to modify the firearm itself (e.g. with the DT suppressor-length overmolded handguard, or the upcoming Lucky Irishman aftermarket handguards).

[@chrisclark6161]

The FAMAS style bipod doesn't require anything extra because the legs aren't just on the side of the hand guard. They sit above the hand guard.

[@BenjaminGierisch]

"One of the best out there." *cuts to match* but behind the cut we know Jesus is saying, "...apart from the FAMAS."

[@Risingnshouting]

Solid cheek weld from either side of the rifle, switch calibers, accuracy is exceptional, trigger is very good for any combat rifle, all the mounting options for fun stuff. I personally would prefer the MDR over the FAMAS. I’m getting mine in 556 and then will add a 300 blackout barrel. Everything else stays the same. Two excellent guns for the price of. . . . Two excellent guns. :-)

[@666nicedreams]

Since you brought up the WWSD rifle, it reminded me that it is seemingly impossible to get in contact with GWACS. I think there is still a ton of interest in their products. I know they've had some issues with production, but their social media accounts have been dark for over a year. If anyone has any info on what's going on with those guys please share.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Thanks guys! I've been interested in a bullpup style since SG1 used the P90 :) I like the MDR, one day I'll be able to find one I can shoot too

[@maniakaz]

A few of us on my squad shot the "left hand as primary" as left hand on trigger, right hand on hand guard but kept it behind our right eye and on the right shoulder. I don't know if this is what you meant for people to do but that's what the description allowed. I did like that stage. It seemed so simple but the getting in/out of a firing position that often really points out if you can get behind the optic easily.

[@Happymrsnowman]

You guys used to talk up the RDB a fair bit, especially it's trigger and the ambidexterity. Now you hardly ever mention it anymore, what happened?

[@509Gman]

Happymrsnowman it’s Kel-Tec.

[@tomasodesign]

So true and a quarter the price....again 1/4th the price. The famas is an awsome option but vaporware in the US. TEST the MDR against the RDB would be an honest test $$$$ to $

[@Happymrsnowman]

@@509Gman What's you point?

[@Matt85ism]

@happymrsnowman Kel-Tec is trash. ive owned two, my dad owned one, my neighbor owned one, and my buddy at work owned one. all unreliable trash.

[@moicus29]

I don't think Israel has used the original Tavor with wonky mag release for a long time. The X95 has release buttons similar to where the ar's button is.

[@Estinus]

I bought an RDB early in the year and I've been mostly happy with it. I have had some stuck cases with Tula, but that was in part due to insufficient cleaning of the chamber as well as having the gas set too high. Edit - oh also the bolt release button/lever/thing is pretty awful. I find that simply giving the charging handle a quick tug is, by a wide, wide margin, more intuitive and thus far faster. Maybe I can train around it but I just scratch my head at why they designed it that way and someone at Kel Tec went "Yep, perfect."

[@znutar]

Cameron Phillips my RDB hates steel...if I use it I get all sorts of jams and double feeds despite having sent back to Keltec. In addition I find it to have poor accuracy...mainly a range toy for me.

[@unrulyares1337]

Steel is sticky dt says not to run steel because they have tolerances Soo tight

[@smck9798]

I've always found monopoding pretty easy with the L85A2 although it's probably training as much as anything as it's akward in the conventional sense. But a lot of guys liked the foregrips with the little bipods that are a bit plasticity, but better than nothing. It seems odd to go for 16" it looks like the MDR would be better at 17.5 with a longer hand grip that should mount a bipod more easily. It will also balance it a lot better pushing the CG up an inch or two. Although it would be interesting to see if adding a can would fix the balance. Would be interesting to see if you could have them make you a new longer handguard as a prototype.

[@masqueofhastur]

16" is the minimum non-tax stamp length, and the point of a bullpup is to make the overall length shorter. The standard X95 used by the IDF now appears to be the 13" barrel model, so when they're not concerned with legal limits, they go even shorter to optimise the advantage of the platform.

[@smck9798]

@@masqueofhastur the IDF do other countries don't, depends if you want short as possible absolutely or short as possible while having a full length barrel. The small drop in terminal ballistics from the shorter barrel isn't always considered worth it. And from a shooters perspective it can make some difference as you go from harassing fire at 600 yards to I can actually hit something. It was one of the few redeeming qualities of even the early L85s before they fixed them that you could be accurate at range thanks to it having the optic before its time. It's likely the tax stamp thing. Frankly from an old hand bullpup user too short is definitely a thing. Personally I would want the longer barrel, but I'm a recovering long range shooter.

[@Sceptis]

I would still love to see the MDR in 308 pitted against the RFB.

[@Odinforever2000]

Soon

[@Erpyrikk]

if it was a dedicated 5.56 platform it would save some weight.

[@YorktownUSA]

Yup, but it's a civilian gun, not a dedicated military one... and even then perhaps the military would have appreciated the customization.

[@Themayseffect]

Doubt*

[@unrulyares1337]

Hit the gym it's a be all gun

[@Erpyrikk]

​@@unrulyares1337 strength doesnt matter with the extra energy needed to carry some more weight on a hike.

[@flavio_spqr]

You guys should do a FAMAS vs. MDR series of tests...

[@oldCP81]

Be on the lookout for a 2lb match trigger for the MDR. I have on good authority that one will be available from a third party soon.

[@iwillnotcomply007]

You guys have used the Famas in competition and now the MDR, have you used the AUG in competition? Or the Tavor? If not, it might be worthwhile to run the others in competition. If yes, can someone point to those videos?

[@tugboatyan]

They've used the Tavor X95 before, with Karl putting it on the clock against Ian's prototype WWSD rifle when Ian's rifle was still in the PA fixed-x2.5 configuration. Just search "Tavor" on their channel and you should be able to find it.

[@nirfz]

while i support that i think the AUG would fare less good because both Ian and Karl mentioned "weird ergonomics" which means they are used to the controls of the AR so that anything that has different controls seems weird and maybe even unergonomic to them. But often there are the reasons why some things are the way they are: the big Triger guard on the AUG for example is helpfull in very cold temperatures in winter with really thick gloves. Also the MAG release: if the rifle got warmed up and then put into the cold again the condensed water freezes and then good luck with the small button of an AR (there was a video on that from Military arms channel years ago), the AUG butten is bigger and provides more leverage if need be.

[@EricHallahan]

iwillnotcomply007 They did put the Tavor on the clock.

[@iwillnotcomply007]

Thanks for the heads up on the X95 videos. I watched all of those. Now for the AUG! Please :)

[@sockenpuppe1057]

if the balance is to far back ... why dont Put a Can on the front ?? Edit: bad english , what i mean is , the balance Pionts shud shift to the front with a suppressor , no ? and Ian has one ,

[@jimtomav20]

If you get a shoulder strap on something back heavy like that then almost all the weight sits on your shoulder and the gun feels like a fraction of its total weight. This is the case with the L86, where its noticeably easier to raise and hold for extended times compared to something of similar mass.

[@GradyHouger]

IIRC, "cans aren't worth the weight and bulk" was the inrange option.

[@oso1165]

@@GradyHouger really? I thought they didnt bother with them because they were NFA items and didnt want to deal with the hassle

[@chetterbomb]

I think what probably turns most average consumers away from the bullpup market is their price. Why spend $1800 on an AUG or Tavor, when you can purchase a very nice AR or AK for around $1000, then use the other $800 for mods and upgrades? I saved for a while before I purchased my AUG and (although I love my AUG) I haven't felt the need to save up for another bullpup style rifle. But if I did, I'd definitely hunt down an FS2000 and join the Space Force.

[@JiTiAr35]

RDB 800 bucks

[@Splincir]

Because we already own at least 3 ARs in various calibers and price ranges, and want something new and unique.

[@johnmead9012]

Because the bullpup design goes in and out of my semi truck significantly easier than a sbr AR or AK. While maintaining greater velocity. If I stayed home all the time, I'd honestly would never have bought a Tavor-7. But here we are 🤷‍♂️

[@Liam1991]

You should try the VHS 2!

[@CrossingFist]

Ian speaks highly of a non-French bullpup, and a certain Famas glares at him in righteous anger.

[@deadwolf2978]

could you compare this gun vs AR-15 in close quaters shooting? is there difference in mobility and time of going around the corners in cqb?

[@AverageJoe4063]

I personally would like to get one with both the 5.56 and .308 barrels. 5.56 for home defense and .308 for hunting. I would also like to see a .22LR conversion and a 12ga shotgun variant.

[@member5488]

They should consider adding a sliding extension in the pistol grip. It's most likely empty space, and a solid plastic extension that slides in and out could turn the pistol grip into a monopod.

[@Picolinni]

Are they making longer 18 or 20 inch barrels for them?

[@chrisjohnson8605]

Should look at the Australian new ballpark based on the OG but it's been the balance point is where you want it go and buy this video and keep up the good work

[@s4mur41RPG]

Really want to see you guys get your hands on the L85A3

[@flcktphs]

Aren't there Mlok slots on the 6 o'clock of the HG allowing i.e. the Magpul bipod stud adapter? Or are they just cooling slots?

[@GreatgoatonFire]

So regarding the bipod problem, couldn't you use one of those grip/bipod combo things? If not why?

[@InrangeTv]

More coming on that.

[@GreatgoatonFire]

@@InrangeTv Wow, thanks for taking the time to repond so quickly. Looking forward to the video where you talk about that.

[@ricardojustiniano4942]

A two gun with a "sniper" style bolt action and a semi auto pistol ranging from 700 yards to piont blank in and out of buildings would be an excellent way of bothering people.

[@seraph045]

I shot this match. I got to re-run this stage with the MDR. I really liked the controls, it didn't feel like a huge difference in manual of arms, but I didn't have to reload. PMAG 40s work just fine. Balance and muzzle jump is different than my ARs, and if you want to shoot a lot of competition, finding a way to get stable on props will be difficult. It's not my cup of tea but it's certainly not bad; it's very good for a bullpup. Don't bother with the .308, that one is up there with the 10mm handgun as something that is Internet Awesome but really not that great...

[@homuraakemi1933]

Why no bipod? I thought you did your initial impressions and review of the 308 MDR with a magpul bipod attached?

[@Neoplasmer]

I think I figured it out why its balance point is over the mag-well. Its meant to be fitted w/ an underslung grenade launcher that has a molded foregrip with it. The extra weight up front will give you better balance and the foregrip can act as a front-mounted monopod. Problem solved :)

[@sir0herrbatka]

Makes me wonder what would be the end result of applying the same logic to the MDR as to the WWSDR (the lightest rifle possible).

[@pmp1337]

Peaking out of corners with the weapon raised is a major advantage. Peak, take a shot and go back in before the other guy shoots you. If you are peaking out of a doorway, having a gun longer than a doorway width while shouldered automatically negates this ability. "That's why they make 8inch ARs." Except than you get out of the building, engaged from 300m and can't do shit, while with a bullpup you still have a 16in to shoot accurate.

[@TengrioftheCrimsonSky]

So now that they have a bipod for it has it gained any more relevance to you Ian?

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

Best reason to want this gun, it looks freakin bad ass. Weight is a pretty big issue but they'll never be able to take 2lbs off this gun.. That being said, I like how far back the weight is. Makes the gun very fast to maneuver from shooting mine, faster than a much lighter gun with more weight towards the muzzle

[@saccaed]

Wonder if a monopod could be installed in the pistol grip.

[@ryukimura7302]

If you're shooting on non dominant hand? Which eye would you choose to use

[@060racing8]

I think the designs like the fg42 or neopup 20 have a fair bit of merit you seem to get the advantages of a bullpup without some of the disadvantages submachine guns with magazines in the Pistol Grip achieve this also

[@calebfaires9782]

I'm curious if going to an 18 or 20 inch barrel and subsequently a longer hand guard would move the balance point of the rifle to a more comfortable spot, and it would allow for more room for a bi-pod. Only question is, would it be worth the weight and the extra length.

[@jaredweimer4189]

I really like this gun

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

I've never used them, but what about the bipods where each leg is mounted onto an M-Lok slot and you can swing them forward and down?

[@curtisfarmer8321]

Damn Coral. Nice job

[@RussianBlue4S]

I feel like the intended goal of a bullpup is to bridge the gap between a general purpose rifle and an SMG. I think the FAMAS illustrates that it really can achieve that pretty well. However, I think it only works if you think your combat ranges will be mostly biased close but with occasional far stuff. If it was only far, you'd just take a standard AR because the increase on OAL is no harm to you. If it was only close range you could take a 300 BLK AR with a very short barrel for subsonics which won't give anything up in size but has a lot more going for it if you're fighting through rooms. Although I really love bullpups, its special zone where it's the best solution is really thin. Existent, but thin.

[@Carbide195]

>close with occasional far stuff So like cities?

[@pdittrich]

if the foreend had a bottom rail, would a "grip pod" maybe be an option? I mean those VFGs that have a (shitty) bipod stored inside them

[@InrangeTv]

Too short.

[@pdittrich]

funny, my girl keeps telling me the same thing, too

[@brandonharju5008]

When do we get a mud test?

[@Reizwasche]

It would be great if someone made an integrated bipod in the hand guard for it. Would solve one of the biggest complaints.

[@GradyHouger]

That's what I was thinking!

[@tomasodesign]

Ask blk lbl to do one...would add weight but also balance.

[@KATAKOTO69]

Couldnt you put a famas style bipod leg on the front mlock slots?

[@whatnowstinky]

if you really want some sort of shooting support, how about making a telescoping monopod that fits into the pistol grip? it is not ideally placed but it is further forward than the magazine. you could get it close to perpendicular to the bore which would help. ian is a machinist as is russell and russell has a shop. make it lock in 2 positions only, up and down. make the extended height adjustable when setting up only. if the foot of the monopod matches the shape of the grip it will be virtually functionally un noticable when not deployed, bar the added weight. btw a simple bolt on extension to the handguard below the barrel would give you something to rest off that is not the muzzle brake when shooting through barricades. just make it thin and or sharpish... generally uncomfortable, so you don't use it as a hand hold by mistake and loose some fingers.

[@zooombaa]

Any chance you guys test the Croatian VHS-2?

[@amschind]

Why does the M17S never come up in these discussions?

[@1337penguinman]

I wonder if mounting something like a light way out front might help the balance issues.

[@homuraakemi1933]

I already have various 5.56and 300blk rifles. Im looking to add a 308 now, do you think the 308 MDR would be fine? Im looking for something compact for urban - inner city environments.

[@InrangeTv]

The MDR is a much better platform in 5.56. I find the 308 version to be very difficult to use effectively, but YMMV.

[@thebowtieguy777]

My 2 cents Add a button to flip the ejector plate up or down like a door EVEN IF it means sacrificing an ambidextrous field swap Quick malfunction fixing and chamber checking would be easier

[@thebowtieguy777]

@@KracknCorn would make it easy for them to insert the bore flags too

[@austinarcher7164]

Karl what is the gloves that you are using?

[@endercraft4976]

Hey Guys please do a mud Test on an 308 Galil ACE. Thanks

[@LoneWolf-zw5yn]

Try the new lithgow F90, Australian army upgrade rifle. You will have a new 1st place bullpup.

[@DrWolfensteinz]

They won't be getting one in US. Thales (one of the importers of the F90) couldn't secure any solid footing for the Atrax and decided to cancel to try and save face.

[@proteus2103]

@@DrWolfensteinz Mud test?

[@DrWolfensteinz]

@@proteus2103 What about a mud test?

[@cbr4tigger]

What about a side mounting bipod like the UTG recon flex? It should be able to fold out of the way along the sides of the rifle and give you free reign of the handguard

[@ditto1958]

Can y’all do a match with a Mini-14 and a Mini-30?

[@cosmichemistry]

still no mention of the prototype bullpup you teased awhile back... sigh

[@SgtKOnyx]

I have heard that there may be top rail mounting bipods, a la the Famas?

[@benjaminodonnell258]

I'd like to see a comparison between the MDR and the Lithgow Arms AusStyer.

[@curious-relics]

The rationale for the MDR was to put a .308 DMR and superior body armor penetration capability in a carbine form factor. That was kind of a compelling argument. But now you're telling us the .308 version is bad and to go with the 5.56... does the 5.56 version have a rationale other than "it's the least bad of the commercially available bullpups"? I'm not sure why anyone should bother with this platform otherwise.

[@devinwooley3575]

7:40 What I would do for the bipod problem, I’d just put a grip pod on it. I haven’t used the rifle, so I don’t know if it’ll handle better with a foregrip or not, but it’s what I’d do.

[@DocOmaley98]

Karl what gloves? And have you guys ever gone over your 2 -Gun gear such as Ian’s mag belt

[@MrRdvs87]

Where the heck are you getting famas’ from?

[@Phtalvyriz]

Looking at bullpups for shooting coyotes out of a side by side, is the price difference between this and a keltec worth it?

[@GradyHouger]

I guess we should look up their old keltec videos to see what they didn't like about it.

[@DrWolfensteinz]

You are better off looking at a Tavor or AUG which cuts the difference between the RDB and MDR. While they aren't as ambi as the other options, they are better quality than the RDB and aren't as jumpy with recoil as the MDR. They are also proven guns with a solid track record.

[@610ericma1]

I would love to send you guys my mdr kit I used a 18in carbon fiber barrel with a rifleman length gas system the recoil is substantially less and the ballence point is almost right at the grip and overall weight is a tad lighter then the stock gun

[@usmctien]

I wonder if you can mount something similar to the FAMAS bi-pod to the handguard sides?

[@CTXSLPR]

usmctien Or how about on the pic rail up on top of the handguard as long as the mount stayed below the optic LOS?

[@epl803]

If there isn't a bipod that can mount to the top pic rail of a rifle and have the legs come down either side of the foregrip then there absolutely should be; I can think of a fair few top-rail only rifles that it could be useful for...

[@ratchet2505]

14 in bullpup compared to a 14 in rifle, then we'll see acual stats.

[@RichterFriedrich]

You can easily bipod a bulpup on a backpack. Just carry around 30l assault pack and drop it down when you need to shoot prone :)

[@InrangeTv]

Yeah, that’s time efficient....

[@Shieldsz]

You can put a magpul m-lok bipod on that no problem. You really don't HAVE to reach infront of the barrel to pull the legs down.

[@samcoupland]

You didn’t mention the best bull pup of all. The wonderful SA80

[@ballagh]

The original and best bull pup of all. The em2

[@commando552]

I've got to be honest, I would take an L85A2 or A3 over the MDR. I don't care the it has better ergonomics, I don't care that it is lighter (only by a hair though), I don't care that it is ambidextrous, the magic that has to happen to get that case flying forwards out of that ejector chute is always going to be a massive downside to me as I simply wouldn't trust it both in terms of function and in terms of being able to inspect and access the chamber. If they made replacement side plates to turn this into a more conventionally ejecting non ambidextrous (but switchable) rifle that would actually be a lot more attractive to me. I fully accept that my opinion is probably wrong and the ejection is reasonably reliable, but I am old school and just don't want to have to worry about it.

[@samcoupland]

James Armstrong true. I messed up there.

[@lex1945]

17 sec after upload watching this. nice!

[@SgtKOnyx]

This is the 308 version converted to 5.56, no? So presumably the dedicated 5.56 version would be lighter? Or are they not offering a dedicated 5.56 version?

[@InrangeTv]

5.56 version is heavier, actually.

[@SgtKOnyx]

@@InrangeTv Really? Seems legit.

[@lexwaldez]

Q: if you compare the $2500 Desert Tech MDR to a quality $1500 AR from BCM or even a $400-$600 do-it-yourself build... is it WORTH it? I'm not sure I want to pay an extra $1000 for second kind of cool. I don't see myself jumping out of an APC or assaulting something from a car anytime soon. As for amibidexterity... the MDR is, but I'm not. Trim a cool $1k off that sticker price and it's a lot more attractive.

[@leonardolopez9659]

hey, guys idk if y'all read KZbin comments but on the topic of the bipod, would a slightly longer handguard allow you to attach a bipod using the m-lock cuts on the gun? say a 20in barrel w an appropriate length guard? would that also move the center of balance forward? I don't really know much about guns but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this thx

[@BenjaminGierisch]

That would defeat the point of having the shorter bullpup though. Would it not? Realistically, like a FAMAS, you can put the bipod on the sides or even get a top mount.

[@leonardolopez9659]

@@BenjaminGierisch yeah but a bullpup 20" is still shorter than a conventional 20". the question still remains would having a longer fore end balance the system out? would it solve some of the issues with it and possibly help it compete against say the wwsd carbine or other popular contemporaries? bc from what understood from the video was that there were issues with the balance point being rear of the pistol grip and the lack of rail space. also it's be cool to see these guys design a perfect bullpup at least on paper. WWSD 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@AverageJoe4063]

So all Desert Tech needs to do to make this gun perfect is put in a geissele trigger, offer a bipod option (like a foregrip with integrated bipod), lighten up the back end a bit, and make it military trials (or even better Gauntlet) reliable.

[@milandjuric8043]

I like the idea of a bullpup very much, I would by one if it was to be legal in my country. On the other note 308 vs 223, which is better overall, which could be more usefull in the future to the regular armies, do you guys have a video on it cuz i didnt find one and Im really interested in your opinion.

[@GhostlyTurtle]

Some of their older videos they talk about intermediate cartriges (5.56, 5.45, etc) vs. full rifle cartridges (7.62x51, x54r, etc.). They even ran a match where Ian had I think a G3 clone and Karl I think had a 5.45 AK. Ian only needed one hit per target where Karl needed multiple. I'm fairly certain they would agree that intermediate are the best for general purpose where larger cartridges are better if you have a special need like shooting big game, at extreme ranges, or through something solid.

[@jp_0]

Bullpup discussion point: does a bullpup take a significant toll on the strong arm after carrying it for a long hike/fight vs a more center balanced Ar/ak, whose weight is distributed among two arms?

[@nirfz]

it is called the strong arm isn't it? Joke aside, i haven't done any army training with a "traditional" style rifle, but i don't remember any problem with the "strong" arm. My question would be which one can you hold in aim for longer standing wihtout support? (The one where the weight is closer to your body or the one where the weight if further out. leverage matters) With the AUG i was able to keep both elbows to my chest while holding the rifle which is more stable than a traditional layout would allow in an unsupported stand) During marching you would sling it on anyway, so no difference there. (As long as the over all weight difference isn't that big... The AUG i was issued had 4kg fully loaded and 3.6 empty, i think that isn't far off an actual M16 while beeing way more compact and the MDR being havier i think.)

[@kniter01]

Rearward weight is actually easier to carry for long periods of time From my experience bullpups are more comfortable in extended periods since the weight is distributed into your shoulder as well, not just your arms

[@searinggravy7047]

while firing your body is supporting most of the weight. Pretty much a little easier with a bullpup/ the same

[@jp_0]

I would like to add another point , related: current doctrine for advanced rifleman training is to "steer" the rifle with the weak arm and use the controls with the then stress-free strong arm. Any strain on the second would affect trigger pull. In this case, after some time just handling the weight with the strong arm, the hand is supposed to be less than fresh for a trigger pull. (PS: bullpup advocate here)

[@XBrh53a]

Is the black area on the top rear a cheek pad? Did you add it? I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for all your efforts.

[@InrangeTv]

It comes with that foam cheekpad out of the box.

[@XBrh53a]

Thanks for the prompt reply.Mine didn't come with one. So I added one. I'm sure the Desert Tech cheek pad is cut nicer than mine.

[@samuelstoneman1730]

About the idea of a forward grip bipod for it

[@murderbirdLTX]

Still waiting for the Famas mud test lol

[@bubba200874426]

That hat Ian is wearing is slick. Love it.

[@Shieldsz]

Alot of polymer, why is it so heavy? Its a kilogram heavier than my daniel defense AR-15 that has a 15" rail on it and a 16" barrel.

[@DrWolfensteinz]

@@blckandwhtknight Not just the receiver, but the bolt carrier is also considerably heavier than comparable 5.56s rifles. It also causes a much more jumpy recoil cycle.

[@Shieldsz]

@@DrWolfensteinz So they don't have a less beefy version for just the 5.56?

[@DrWolfensteinz]

@@Shieldsz No, one of DT's selling points for the MDR was caliber changing between a .308 to a 5.56 (Including calibers that fit both with barrel swaps at minimum), so while the .308 might not be too ridiculous weight wise, swapping to the 5.56 really has no real advantage compared to other bullpups outside of the ambi nature.

[@shaggnar2014]

Because it's a .308 converted to 5.56, if it was a native 5.56 it would be much lighter.

[@getyasum9365]

You guy's need to get your mittens on a Lithgow FX90 Atrax!

[@yop_cholo]

So, I thought of something you didn't bring up about bullpups. As a stout little man (around 5'6'' or 1m69), I like bullpups because they're compact while retaining a decent sized barrel. And let's face it, I have shorter arms than the average American. :) Would you say bullpups are a valid choice for us folks of the shorter persuasion ?

[@EDSKaR]

generally stock length is always within the same range, regardless of bullpup or not. (Actually the SA80 has a very long lop because it's... designed weird...) a lot of the time, however, bullpups don't have any way to adjust the lop, so I would highly recommend you try to hold one before you buy one. At least look up the lop and compare it to your arm length.

[@yop_cholo]

@@EDSKaR makes sense. Trying before buying seems obvious considering the price range. :)

[@other9293]

I like the Giessle trigger pack and bow on the Tavor. How is the accuracy of the MDR?

[@revmatch2648]

Why in the world would you ever want the weight balance toward the front of the rifle?

[@ChrisWilliams-zy3xb]

Please do a m17

[@CCRRACCKK]

MDR 5.56 vs. RDB 5.56

[@Odinforever2000]

I have a vid like that..