2G-ACM Shotgun Special Event - Stage 1 & Introduction

[@xorising]

haha I love it when Karl has something badass super tactical and Ian has some fascinating obscure antique. Good stuff!

[@MrBandholm]

Ian always has the coolest Hats/helmets

[@IR4TE]

+bandholm Team Fortress 2 must be the game for him. ;)

[@Homesickfobbit]

I love how Ian brings unusual guns to the matches.

[@rimsdad]

Ian, as a retired Canadian solder I do appreciate you carrying an Ingles HP! I carried one many years in service and in retirement I have one sadly a hybrid Browning Ingles slide on a Browning body! Love it but My Sig 226 still gets top billing. Sorry to see you did not transition to it! But still big thumbs up to it's carry!

[@tobykenneally3169]

Ian please do a video on forgotten weapons on the single shot Martin action shotgun you used here 👍🏻

[@GruntJoe0341]

Karl: I have so much accessible ammo! Ian: I am trying to time out.

[@holtz3943]

How to know when a video was recorded? Check how long Karl's beard is. :D Also, I'm wondering how quickly someone could have gotten through that stage with Ian's Martini-action rifle given enough practice reloading. I can see someone who's very experienced with that gun being really fluid with their movements.

[@PokemonHaloFan]

I always love when Ian brings an obscure gun to a match. Even though it's outdated even when compared to an 1880's coach gun it was still interesting to see.

[@WintersGhost243]

I actually thoroughly enjoy the contrast in equipment used here. it makes the video feel very diverse, and had me very interested in the outcomes of each match. Keep up the great work!

[@fab006]

Funny you mention shoot-through. At my IPSC club, I noticed on a stage that two targets were inadvertently arranged perfectly for shooting through and hitting Alphas on both. Required shooting from the far side of a barricade (i.e. running just a bit further), but I tried it and it worked out nicely!

[@troy9477]

Loce that Greener. I knew Ian would bring something vintage and interesting. I would be tempted to use a coach gun. Throw in 2 slugs for the 40 yd targets and call it good. If anyone cares, i find the IC choke tube in my main 870 (20 deer barrel with iron sights and choke tubes) gives very good slug accuracy out to 100 yds plus, and somewhat tighter patterns with 00 buck. It extends useful buckshot range past 25 yds, as opposed to barely 15 with open chokes. I always knew my patterns were better, then i tested it side by side with our old PD shotguns. Big difference. (Had a borrowed Vang Comp too!). The Federal "Tactical" with Flitecontrol wad is superb and gives great patterns even from open choked guns. I tested it at my own expense some years back, and at my urging we went to it (and also got rifle sighted barrels for our PD guns; I usually carried my own).

[@truckcop1]

How about a video on the Greener? Figured you had done one in the past but can't find such a thing. Assume it's a conversion for use with modern ammo.

[@InrangeTv]

I will be doing one in a few weeks. It's actually a factory-made 12ga, dating from no earlier than the 1920s. ~Ian

[@Sameera1978]

Having watched some 3-gun matches in person I have never really had an interest in them. What you guys do here with 2-gun though is exactly the sort of shooting I want to do. I think you guys go into it with the correct mindset, the rules seem to make sense and it gives an honest impression of what it is like to use a given setup in realistic conditions. Makes me wish I lived close enough to get involved in these matches, but alas I do not.

[@EarlMerGerdsGarage]

I had a blast at this shoot! So glad I got to fangirl over my favorite youtubers.

[@MrOldmanjenkin1]

Ian's Matching attire with the weapon Very nice touch

[@glockensig]

I love the way you guys ba-labble!

[@ScottCroom]

Wow. I kidded a long time ago about using a Martini in a 2 gun match. It was as awesome as I expected it could be.

[@heirofaniu]

Hey Karl, the videos for this event are uploaded onto the 2gun playlist in reverse order, so they show up backwards in autoplay.

[@PGTRegard]

Ian please do a video on the Greener!

[@Player_Review]

I'd like to see this redone with the 4-bore shotgun.

[@atilliar]

You guys constantly talk about how easy the 5.56 is to deflect, such as on light brush. Can you do a video on this and test it out. I say this because it's not my experience with the round at all. At the police agency I used to work at, the SWAT team did a barrier test on car windshields where it penetrated and hit the target behind with minimal deflection. Thanks.

[@mytmousemalibu]

+GuyKappe With softer materials that the bullet may encounter, like light brush, the bullet will probably not deflect in the truest sense that most people might envision but it can certainly influence the bullet's path. It will certainly effect the smaller/lighter bullets over heavier ones. So, so, so many variables to this. I shoot USPSA and most of the time our targets are USPSA/IPSC standard cardboard, noting special. Most of our club shoots 9mm. I have seen bullets pass through 2 targets and the 2nd one to get hit I have seen signatures of the bullet starting to keyhole in a short distance between targets. On the flipside, I have seen bullets pass through thick plastic barrels and still flying true afterwards. Lots of variables.

[@MarvinCZ]

Remember that the distance the bullet has to travel after being deflected has a great effect. If there is brush near the muzzle, the effect at a distance will be multiplied. If the SWAT target was close to the windshield, the effect would be greatly reduced. If you don't factor in the distance, the deflection from a windshield is stronger but somewhat predictable. That being said, I would love to see this tested, so we can see what *really* happens.

[@drmaudio]

I was sorry to miss the match this month (occasionally they make me work for my wage). I hope to be there next month.

[@MauldtheMan]

I just learned about the Greener MKIII today and lord howdy do I want one now!

[@Benny---]

I thought Ian was going to run that weird break action single shot gun with the tube mag on the side.

[@knifedance2402]

A KSG would’ve been interesting on this stage; You could switch between ammo types when necessary.

[@MilsurpWorld]

Hey Karl, you look different. You losing weight or is it the facial hair trim?

[@InrangeTv]

+North Florida Gun Guy Both. ~Karl

[@MilsurpWorld]

Nice. Keep it up, it's showing.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Cool event!!! Luv'd the Martini :)

[@steamyyyy]

Ian i have got to know what ammo your using? i myself have a Greener Mk III that when i bought it 20 years ago it was in 12/14 but since then had it bored out to take standard 12ga 2 3/4 shells everyone ive talked to and have read state its best to shoot light target loads or bird-shot only(obviously no Mag ) no slugs and no Buck i know you weren't using mini shells and i agree with the Rio ammo sucks but was curious what ammo you found to feed that monster

[@foumuh]

Would it be allowed in this match to order the rounds in a magazine by the amount of targets and their distance? So on this stage you could just load 2 slug shots between your buck shots, which would enable you to count your shots and shoot the long distance targets once you get to the slug shots.

[@InrangeTv]

+Foumuh If you wanted to see if you were that lucky, yes, you could do that. ~Karl

[@pauljones9746]

So how did you guys place in this match?

[@bend1483]

Karl is looking decidedly Operator-ey in this video... meant as a compliment.. honest!

[@ShawarmaFarmer]

Is Karl wearing Kyrptek camouflage ? What's your opinion on it? How does the Saiga compare to other semi auto shotguns like the Vepr or the Benelli series

[@toddhoward5964]

Is the Greener rebored to 10/12 Gauge or are you somehow using the Greener's special 14 Gauge

[@sd09gfh8sfgjmsf9yhkm]

12ga.

[@TheHandgunhero]

Did any shooters end up using a shotgun like the KSG to overcome the issue of quick transitioning between slugs and buckshot when you need them? If so, how effective were shooters using such firearms or methods compared to others?

[@InrangeTv]

None that I saw, no. ~Ian

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

May you all do a mud test on a revolver to test the myth that they are the most reliable hand gun style.

[@TheHandgunhero]

PleaseDontWatchThese I would have a feeling the semi autos would win out due to the cylinder gap allowing mud into the gun easily.

[@corbinfelan]

@@eliasaamot573 that does not necessarily mean that catastrophic revolver malfunctions happen more often. It just means those are typically the only malfunctions you see in revolvers when compared to automatics. I do agree with you point though

[@jamesmahonmac]

Has that Greener been converted to fire regular 12g?

[@sd09gfh8sfgjmsf9yhkm]

Yes.

[@jamesmahonmac]

Well it makes it a shooter but kind of a pity from a collectors point of view. Guess ammo isn't that common stateside

[@michaelking8483]

hey Ian what's the chamber length on the martini-conversion

[@InrangeTv]

2 3/4 inch; and it's not a conversion. The MkIII was offered in standard 12ga by Greener form the factory.

[@normanbrown752]

Are you guys hitting the NRA show this year?

[@InrangeTv]

+NORMAN BROWN Nope. There's nothing to see there. We'll stick to SHOT, that's enough of that "fun" for me/us. ~Karl

[@normanbrown752]

Aw shucks

[@greydonstautzenberger3901]

Keep it up

[@Paragoth]

Hot shit, I've always wanted a hi-power, but now I guess I've got to buy a Canadian one, as I am an Inglis after all. Also, Ian fun fact, the Scots pronounced it "Ing-guls," not that I expect anyone to care exactly.

[@stevenvictoria9568]

2:40 Lever action cloud

[@RTJsims]

I know you guys mainly take request from your patreon supporters, but i wonder if you had ever considered doing a 2gun match using weapons from that transitional period between the end of the civil war's pure single shot muzzle loading rifles/muskets and muzzle loading revolvers and the all cartridge firearm "age" that continues to this day. Im not a historian by any means, but i have always been curious about how a henry/spencer/early repeating rifle combined with muzzle loading revolver/multiple cylinders or multiple revolvers, or revolver with early conversion cylinders would do in a 2gun match (the idea being a surviving soldier's possible armaments at the end of the war through either battle field pickups, or issued weapons.

[@InrangeTv]

+Nathan Levy Funny you'd ask. Something like that is being worked on currently. ~Karl

[@RTJsims]

awesome!

[@watchm4ker]

As someone unfamiliar with the scene beyond your videos, what do you mean by impractical reloading gimmicks?

[@InrangeTv]

+Watch maker Just one quick example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2SrpGeapJtso9U ~Karl

[@watchm4ker]

+InRangeTV That... looks like something Ian would cover as someone's method to get around patents on box magazines.

[@charlieelliott364]

This match would have been a blast (pun intended) with a benelli nova, being that it's pump action with a magazine cutoff should you want to single load a different type of ammo as Ian did or use what you have in the tube mag for quicker shots.

[@demonocolips]

with this i should think that guns should be placed in catagories based on original date of manufacture.

[@Thewraithspawn]

Um this is stage 3 not introduction? IE were is stage 1?

[@InrangeTv]

This is stage 1, I don't know what you're saying? ~Karl

[@Thewraithspawn]

Srry earlier I clicked link and it went to stage 3, I may have clicked wrong link , was very interested in subject matter and may have gotten exited. LoL

[@treerat7631]

shot rio royal buck out of my Mossy. It runs just fine.

[@speedwaypinoy]

that awkward pause at 8:48 lol

[@DudeNumberOnePlus]

I dont really get it what is the point of running single shot shotgun against saiga. The saiga wins even if one takes lunch break mid-stage.

[@kingemocut]

+DudeNumberOnePlus i think it's more for fun than actually winning.

[@InrangeTv]

+DudeNumberOnePlus It's not a versus video, it's a discussion. ~Karl

[@LanikinMalachite]

I get the feeling Ian is not in this one to win it.

[@DaddyPims]

I think this is the first time I've seen Karl's eyes

[@InrangeTv]

+DaddyPims It's fake. CGI. ~Karl

[@DaddyPims]

+InRangeTV Very punny!

[@toddwebb7521]

They need a shockwave and bathrobe shotgun match after the video about it

[@1SaG]

7:40 In Soviet Russia, shotgun chokes you.

[@downunderrob]

Does anyone else think Ian might have made it easier on himself by having ammo pouches on his left and right side? Surely loading with his Greener with his left hand would have been quicker.

[@willackroyd2442]

Do Ian and Karl run these ?

[@InrangeTv]

Karl does.

[@Psyconaut116]

I hope you guys remembered to put on some sunscreen.

[@InrangeTv]

+Lord Poop-Head Rarely use the stuff, actually. ~Karl

[@gakulon]

Some people rarely ever get sunburns and tan instead of burn.

[@FUNKCHUNKEM]

dude this is freaking me out i can't tell if karl got a haircut or if he somehow lost like 15 pounds in a week because his face is a different shape is karl a skinwalker

[@InrangeTv]

+Porterhaus Being a skinwalker would be pretty rad. ~Karl

[@sd09gfh8sfgjmsf9yhkm]

+InRangeTV Hodor.

[@karle7398]

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