2GGT: ZeRo Saga - Tweek (Cloud) Vs. NRG | Nairo (Bowser) Winners Side - Smash Wii U

[@Sakonworshiper]

That up throw to L+R+A+B+Start combo

[@dangodaikazoku5043]

ThisisSakon I

[@xerlius]

Lmaooo

[@lildrummerboy65]

4:55 Nah man. That was a salty ass taunt cuz he was getting bodied by Bowser.

[@MyNameisNohbody]

lildrummerboy65 true

[@mkchex6136]

i hate boswer

[@Blazeorite]

That's a for glory taunt right there lol

[@kush7138]

lildrummerboy65 yep. I thought I was the only one who realize that he was salty about taking that L from Nairo's Bowser.

[@chocobro___]

I only taunt when It feels right " landing a stylish ass punish" doing it when your opponent sDs and you taunt 3 times just makes you look like a middle schooler

[@StanDaMan4487]

"What is a Cloud? A miserable little pile of secrets!"

[@BlitzAceX]

LMAOOO

[@hitechnic7805]

Stanley Chaney *pile of limits

[@oscaranibalhernandez8590]

1:04 Nairo reveals himself as the FINAL BOSS.

[@TheRetroManny]

Love seeing a "Top TEIR" Scrapped

[@AnguirusTCG]

RETRO™ Same.

[@PKSlippy]

I know right why isn’t bowser top tier if he can beat fuckin ZeRo!

[@hobbydogs]

Because it's Nairo playing. He's the reason he won, not bowser.

[@alfanauta]

is great to see a heavy weight character doing this, thanx Nairo

[@peppy619]

That's why Nairo is one of my favorite players, he always surprises everyone by picking an underrated character and exploit it to the top. Remembr last year when he came up with a sick Doctor Mario?

[@landonwilson1837]

Benjamin gutierrez oriol He 3-0d ESAM with Doc a month after ESAM he said Doc was bottom tier. LOL

[@VenerabIe]

His Doc was (and still is) terrible. He's just a good player who knew how to abuse matchup unfamiliarity, he has no idea how to properly utilise that character.

[@arlas4043]

TheoryLad l Innovation l I'm sure his doctor Mario is better than yours

[@VenerabIe]

Arla S My Doc is worlds better. I'm just such a shitty player by comparison, though, when it comes to the game itself. Factor out game skill and game sense and my Doc (or really a lot of peoples' Docs) is way better than his, based on character mechanics alone. He doesn't know basic combos, frametraps, how to recover, dair spiking, among other things. The only reason he can perform with Doc at that level is because he's such a good player. Imagine if he actually knew what he was doing.

[@arlas4043]

TheoryLad l Innovation l That makes sense. Thanks for elaborating on what you meant. I just see so often players criticizing players in the spotlight that it's kinda hard to decipher actual good players with knowledge of the game and their character from shit talkers

[@quentinarchpomple-bigginsw352]

As a bowser main, the things Nairo can do scare me

[@stormcutter59]

Bowser is SO underrated in this game! I always KNEW he was a force to be reckoned with!

[@stormcutter59]

Jeeezsus nuts I think every character in this game is great. With enough skill, you can take on anybodu

[@Ancor3]

Every character except Jiggs.

[@GELV294]

* * Adds Palutena to the table... * *

[@Ancor3]

@Greivin Mena Nah, Palutena is suprisingly legit. Good aerials, good movement, good smashes, ridiculous grab range, decent recovery, proper kill set-ups. Only her tilts and b-moves suck.

[@davecalibur328]

Joseph Franc that's the dumbest thing I've read all day

[@jrnoobzero]

This commantartors killed with the bowser jokes

[@noefletes9094]

what's a commantartor?

[@sakurahollow]

I dig the default picture bro, I couldn't get into that comic

[@Lucas-dj4qj]

I have been a bowser main for over a year, and now people are calling me a Nairo fanboy. Thanks Nairo.

[@catlover7204]

NOT MY POTATO but really though, sick name aside, yeah that's happened to me several times except with pikachu and esam. i dont even main him either, but my friends still tease me for it.

[@catlover7204]

Avery NiteStar Glover don't forget marf

[@eaglgenes101]

All the soul-taking is paying off.

[@TRexLord152169]

5:52 inb4 Tweek pulls a Mango "THAT'S NOT SAAAAFE!!!"

[@wittywarbler1117]

8:01 Smash 4 was a beautiful game

[@HM03_Surf]

9:05 (Behind the Commentators) ZeRo: that lit fam. Bowser top tier now. Nairo: yea fam it’s lit.

[@itzyaboicloud8735]

Tweek missing them free edgeguards.

[@netweed09]

isn't Bowser meant to be 1 of the easiest to downair?

[@ASHtheSLUGCAT]

netweed09 bowser has a very exploitable recovery.

[@ryngtolu4334]

You don't know what you are talking about if you are saying Bowser recovery is easy to gimp.

[@sangan3202]

DO NOT FUCKING TAUNT IF YOURE GETTING BODIED

[@rubberwoody]

"nairo is going to have to do something other than grab to take the stock" do people just forget bowser has f and b throw?

[@renixmar3373]

rubberwoody I think D throw kills too

[@rubberwoody]

ReNixMaR no it doesnt

[@FashionGamer]

i would've lol'd if he immediately killed with command grab

[@thelittlestgiant]

rubberwoody Dude, -> + B grab kills REALLY easily. Especially if you land them on a higher platform, it’ll kill them off the top of the stage.

[@landonwilson1837]

My main finally getting some love!

[@DapuffStuff]

Nairo should just main Bowser at this point, lol.

[@Aruba682]

Dapuffdaddy 69 Based on what Zero and Void did to his Bowser, that probably won't happen lmao

[@milkbutter117]

42 PP nairo did beat void once

[@Aruba682]

milkbutter117 Where at?

[@milkbutter117]

42 PP didn't he beat void in one set with Bowser i think

[@laken6461]

I can see Nario going the ANTI path and being more of a counterpick player next year, it's served him well for these last tournaments of this year

[@terichix8494]

you're in world 8 now

[@TheMrlumping]

Something about seeing heavy characters doing really well makes me super happy.

[@ascapelandscaping5459]

8:29 Nario goes in for the handshake and gets rejected by a salty tweak

[@viscountsb]

proud to be a bowser main... * single tear *

[@sollicitus6969]

Good job, Tweek! Loved the taunt to lose combo, man! :3

[@xxsnowninja2896]

Watching old sets cause 2016 was a good year for smash4

[@adammulvihill2048]

I'm a pretty good bowser for someone that doesn't own a Wii and plays on average like 4 hours a month, and yet since the bowser hoohah nerf, I have not been able to kill with it at all. Any tips? Like I'm not sure if it's double short hop after throw or what. Any help would be welcomed

[@1001011011010]

I don't think Nairo's Bowser has ever dropped a game in tourney

[@Psytheslasher]

1OO1O11O11O1O incorrect he got fucked up by zero this tournament

[@1001011011010]

Psychoace I didn't see that, but until then

[@ShallBePurified]

1OO1O11O11O1O Also Void. Basically, don't use Bowser against characters that can combo him and edgeguard him easily. It works on Cloud since Cloud isn't the best at comboing and he sucks off stage.

[@AdamSmasherReal]

Yami neither of those things you said are true

[@catlover7204]

actually both of those things were really accurate, cloud has a piss poor excuse for a recovery so he cant go deep and all of his "combos" are actually just strings

[@jontanks1]

who took off the pause functio ? xD nairo or tweek?

[@drekthgrek5896]

Nairo.

[@DMoneyJr]

At 1:23 what was that tech

[@sidneyhinds869]

@5:45 i honestly thought Tweek would’ve went for Up B, cause im pretty sure it would’ve worked, and killed right after that Uair... i saw it, but Tweek apparently didnt, or didnt wana risk wasting limit...

[@arnokfw]

Anyone got news from Lordmix? Was impressed by his Bow as well...

[@ClintonChelak]

Bowser plays with Nairo's style of a hard-read-based game. It makes sense.

[@Ernireg3]

Should've played jr

[@data83035]

Ernireg3 underrated comment

[@protonjones54]

Not only is my beloved Browser being used in high level and winning, but also against a Cloud Cunt main? _I can die a happy man._

[@2GGaming]

+Doctor Jones Bowser*

[@arjene5192]

8:28 nice save from awkward cabbage shake

[@georgplatzer8213]

Is it considered really bad manners if nairo would just side b self distruct if 1 stock ahead? :D

[@MrGamerTH]

*THAT'S NOT SAFE MY GUY*

[@toadsagejacob7896]

9:11 is the length of the video? CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME!

[@4137Swords]

Lol is Nairo's main Bowser now? Also why is Bowser lower than DK on most tier lists? Why is he in mid tier? Seriously lol Bowser is actually high tier.

[@jaredmartin7040]

Ethan Schmidt I agree he's stupidly powerful

[@fetusface963]

bowser loses too many matchups, plus those up throw confirms dont work on like half the cast. bowser does well against some high-tier matchups though (like cloud or marth)

[@jaredmartin7040]

Yea that's true,Cloud has to hit him so much just to kill.Heavy koopa

[@4137Swords]

bAker305 Very true very true

[@konoha261]

Yep Bowser is more a counter pick with good match up against some high/top tier. But against Sheik/pikachu/diddy kong it's an other story ^^

[@PremixedDoge]

So I mained bowser before I started watching smash tournament videos and then when I found nairo he immediately became my favorite player

[@anthonylopez9775]

So a lot of people have been wondering how good Bowser is in the meta

[@BrutalHips]

Tweek should've went Wario game 3. Think he would've done work in that MU

[@gurrtasticogreschist2190]

Tweek? More like salty AF

[@chidorikito2306]

smash 4 was really this slow? damn

[@zaaya7719]

Chidori Kito these matches were pretty fast, not a good example of the slower pacing at all

[@Urasitti]

I want to Tweek to suffer! Tweek deserves to lose! #Taunt2GetBodied

[@boogit9979]

Plays Cloud Gets frustrated

[@07XJuvi]

Boogit where's the lie though?

[@nlswag81]

I don't get why nairo always picks zero suit, like just pick bowser and win everything

[@kenii28]

omg nairo. he makes me wanna pick up bowser for this mu haha

[@mkchex6136]

ur shit

[@lildrummerboy65]

+Mk Chex Lol why do you hate Bowser so much

[@pizzashark7067]

I'd rather play as or against a Bowser compared to a Cloud any day of the week.

[@kenii28]

Pizza Shark i agree. bowser takes a lot of patience and is hard to play compared to easy broken cloud and gayonetta

[@GaiustheThief]

Bowser is easy lol

[@spiritual8838]

Nairo should start using Side B

[@sirisaacmormont5445]

“This is your friend” 🤣

[@ryngtolu4334]

Not like this Tweek, you can't taunt and then ragequiet after a comeback xD

[@BenjerminGaye]

held my breath at 2:17

[@seanmathieu9162]

I thought Esam said that Tweek quit the game?

[@rubberwoody]

when you pick up cloud as a main you pretty much quit

[@elv3a424]

#Stopcharacterhate

[@grantdong7746]

Is Nairo dropping ZZS as his main?

[@ayar2]

its more of a counterpick, or a secondary,. the guy´s had to pay the bills so I dont think he´ll drop her anytime soon XD.

[@flow7258]

Tweek is awesome it just wasn't his day

[@mathwizard296]

if tweek went bowser jr. he would be won he lost cause of cloud

[@jaredmartin7040]

mathwizard296 Don't be silly Nairo is just insanely good

[@mathwizard296]

Jared Martin I know he is but you can't count out tweeks bowser jr combos and nairo wouldn't know the match up

[@NonJohns]

Tbh Bowser Jr might be just bad enough to the point that match ups don't matter the problem here is that Nairo's burst damage I was too much to handle

[@mathwizard296]

Non Johns actually if you've seen tweeks bowser jr vs locus you would see the potential don't count out the character

[@rubberwoody]

ah yes, we all know people have pocket jr's for when they lose game 1 and 2 because he is an easy and amazing carry character

[@dna_spreading__5417]

Yay People are making Bowser look good in tournaments 🙂

[@PlantmandotEXE]

I'm all about that structure damage.

[@RizenLink]

Tweek really choked this set.

[@arkiolr2037]

I felt bad for Tweet but let's Go Nairo! the Koopa King strikes again

[@yoshineitor]

Nairo teaching those meta players how its done.

[@mixedmartialautists]

commentary game 3 was some butt. That guy just wouldnt let his opinion on limit go lol

[@mixedmartialautists]

he doesnt seem to understand that limit doesnt persist through stocks either

[@strides777]

Bobby Miller i dont think you understand that he didn't need to waste his limit just to kill him on the first stock. If he had saved it he would have had the stock advantage + limit. Common sense but I guess its difficult to understand.

[@mixedmartialautists]

2GG strides Getting kills is super important in smash 4. Heres the alternative, he doesnt use limit and dies to the same forward air. Now he doesnt have limit and hes down a stock. He was at 150%, its better to get the kill at that point since hed die from any strong hit. He still had a chance to fight at 150, and having limit wouldnt have saved him from that forward air. My main complaint is that at 60% on the NEXT STOCK, youre saying "and he has no limit now, he wasted it" its just bad analysis and commentary. You were fixated on talking about your opinion of that situation and didnt analyze the action on screen objectively.

[@strides777]

Bobby Miller Ok i don't really agree with you but I'll avoid arguing and just say thanks for your complaining and time taken to write that response. Have a good one man

[@mixedmartialautists]

2GG strides lmao no need to get so defensive you little douche

[@ikeanduha5715]

U know why couldn’t palutenas down throw be like bowser up throw where there’s a lot of guarantees to it bc that’s her best move as a character and you can just jump out of it she has up air but it’s rlly hard to hit and all her tilts can ko but are extremely slow and punishable but if she had a guaranteed hoo ha she’d probly be higher on the tier list bc that’s like the only reason bowsers a good character

[@kush7138]

Lol. Serves your ass right for taunting after taking one of his stocks. In a way, something like this was bound to happen (with other characters that seems to not be tourney viable, but later on they were tourney viable the whole time). Tweek will get over that ragequit soon. He did really play well against Nairo.

[@emishimaru-sama6449]

How Is bowser not top 1 [however It Is called] Seeing how much damage he Inflicts, It's op.

[@SmokePudding]

Emishimaru - Sama Top tier?

[@EJJTheMiner]

He's combo meat and has a bad recovery

[@emishimaru-sama6449]

Bad recovery? Worse was back In brawl or melee. Playing bowser Is kind of like a mind game as I can see.

[@TheInfamousBertman]

He's combo meat but his recovery is actually very good. It's like the horizontal range of DK's recovery but with a much better vertical recovery.

[@EJJTheMiner]

It's easy to intercept though

[@ShampooMasta]

Can we talk about tweek getting salty over bowser while using cloud. He's like oh man my superior frame data can't beat this character omg. Like bowser isn't that good he literally just has a gimmick that he couldn't play around.

[@kingdededinkleberg7862]

dang when I play bowser against a cloud I'm dead

[@stvnkndsn]

I may be completely disproven as we see more Bowser in the future, but even though Nairo is doing great with Bowser I still don't see Bowser being a great character. Bowser still has a weak neutral and trouble getting back to the stage and fairly slow options. I think most of Nairo's Bowser success is based off getting punishes that his opponents could avoid if they played safer. Kind've like how nobody says Ryu is top 5 anymore because people have learned to avoid his kill confirms.

[@rahulshankar4784]

Dictator Steve Bowser actually has a good neutral and he has the ganon factor where he can kill you with 4 hits. But he is faster and has a kill confirm.

[@Psychoma99]

Holy shit Nairo is a god

[@Kingdom-zu6tm]

No wonder i have been seeing more bowsers on FG. Its ok tho, those guys are nowhere near as good as nairo

[@justalex528]

Kingdom Key Hey?!

[@thedarkartist4978]

5:56 tweek got so triggered XD

[@sonicloud7774]

Nairo is the best bowser and my favorite streamer for Smash 4

[@KungFuCurry_]

Sometimes strides is just ignorant sometimes but he's still a great commentator

[@jodyrappin]

8:07 Tweek died anyway, he wouldn't have had limit regardless. He was annoying me here.

[@foxerdesertico]

this tweek is like tweek from south park XD

[@Luceloupgarou]

Even though I like Tweek... I was kinda happy to see Cloud lose.

[@Primarina341]

Bowser mains and secondaries are all crying right now.

[@taskmagician4289]

So no one is gonna talk about this video being 9:11 minutes long?!

[@emishimaru-sama6449]

It finished close to 9:10.

[@taskmagician4289]

On mine it says that

[@emishimaru-sama6449]

lol

[@FamilyBurden13]

bowser mains represent \m/

[@jonathanvida78]

BOWSER THIS IS FOR YOU

[@WoahSoSa]

Jonathan Vida bowser

[@jonathanvida78]

sosa auto correct strikes again.

[@thecommiesalami9217]

Smash 4 looks so slow now compared to smash ultimate

[@xnastystream3663]

Tweek keep it real, I would have screamed fuck if Bowser koopad me

[@isaiahwong9494]

Clouds belong in the sky. Tweek is still cool though

[@natelinhart114]

Nairo's Bowser makes me so happy :)

[@nick-cepticon782]

Nairo.. the koopa KING!!!

[@codeysombra679]

Wow Nairo you beat the world best Cloud player with M2K :O

[@ForgeStudiosWRZ]

Lena Oxton / Tracer M2K is

[@codeysombra679]

No Tweek

[@joeyjoseph8837]

m2k komo and Leo are all better than tweek

[@codeysombra679]

Joey Joseph ah ok and why Leo lose vs Tweek? and why tweek has better results than M2K? Why? sorry for my bad English I am not from England

[@joeyjoseph8837]

Leo has much better wins than tweek and is arguably top 5 in the world, tweek probably isnt top 20. dittos dont prove much, examples - rich brown beat abadango in mewtwo dittos and zenyou beat ally in mario dittos

[@kohiikami1839]

DESTRUCCC!

[@sirsaltaltmilton3655]

That cloud miss soooo many punishes

[@ciscoduenas106]

And they say heavy characters are not good Pfff

[@rubberwoody]

megaman ryu lucario

[@parkerwicht800]

Frank Dueñas i think that bowser is top 20

[@shashanksangireddy3878]

parker wicht it's arguable, but Bowser may need some more results to make that assumption solid

[@Fauxmale]

DK?

[@viton4923]

I'm telling u Bowser does ok against Cloud

[@rubberwoody]

not really.

[@TheInfamousBertman]

As a Bowser main, let me tell you - yes he does.

[@rubberwoody]

TheInfamousBertman i mean, it's ok, it's no rosalina. but yeah

[@drawingdisciple2851]

Salt🍟

[@gizmobirdman]

Nairo is too hype

[@whitegamergt8553]

Bowser always beat cloud

[@Gandalf_on_a_Skateboard]

"Tilt-Tweek" lol

[@devin5201]

2:27 pictured here-cloud is disgusting

[@splatruby5191]

Bowser it

[@falk6237]

He’s my god

[@horfromst_elb]

hermoso

[@AAABattery24]

Nerf Cloud pls. He should be forgotten if Tweek can't even beat Bowser. He needs the Bayonetta treatment.