[3.0] The TRUTH About the Flame-Chase Journey - Honkai: Star Rail Theory

[@Rainthority]

*ADDITIONAL NOTES AND CORRECTIONS* - Listen to me struggle pronouncing Aglaea’s name throughout lol (so, a correction, I guess) - I totally forgot about that Trailblazer to Phainon transition in the OP video. Thank you for pointing it out! - About TB and Dan Heng not clocking the Coreflame = Stellaron immediately as they defeated Nikador, perhaps it’s because the shape is different. We see the Coreflame looks like a frozen flame, unlike the glowing core thing that is the Stellaron. That blue frozen flame thing probably what carries (encases) the Stellaron. - TB did eventually understand the Titans tho. In the memory with Stellaron Hunters, Oronyx talked to TB, and they could understand it.

[@9Tailsfan]

Trrailblazer even refers to Phianon as their "doppelganger".

[@electroneurons]

I think instead of there being 12 Stellarons (unless that isn't what you're saying) there is only one Stellaron and it was separated into 12 coreflames

[@robertcoddington1645]

same. i think that stellaron was seperated at some point to create the coreflames. perhaps to better control its effects? which might have caused some damage to amphoreus in a metaphysical way causing the black tide. personally i am wondering if perhaps amphoreus is a creation of the fragmentum. we know that stellarons have the ability to create things so why not an entire world? i think the stellaron is acting as a sort of supercomputer that is simulating and then creating amphoreus and its history. hence why we can change the past even though we are only going into a simulated recreation of the past. i think when it was split it lost the ability to do so "properly" thus creating the black tide as a side effect. it fits since we know the stellarons dont necessarily fit with the modus operandi of the destruction.

[@Mehlaria]

If not split into the coreflames, It could be that the stellaron IS the dawn device that Kephale carries. It could be that the Kephale is using the stellaron in order to sustain what’s left of amphoreus. This also makes me think we’re getting the Worldbearing coreflame last, meaning if Phainon fails the Strife trial and ends up getting Worldbearing, he’ll get it last.

[@ilovepengins]

@@Mehlaria yeah cause like if well get it not last sun will literally collapse on earth killing everybody(idk if coreflames can be given without a titan having to die

[@Navi15]

Makes sense. And by bringing them altogether to create the full Stellaron, it is when they can affect the world around them

[@dumbtch-lk5yr]

it would explain sm

[@fluffybear916]

Also interestingly, Caelus' name means 'sky', 'heavens', or 'celestial' in latin. Apparently Caelus is also the Roman primordial god of the sky as well. And Stelle is 'star'. Meanwhile, Phainon (or Phaenon) name also means 'wandering star' who is also an ancient greek good while he is also meant for the Kephale, who is akin to Zeus in this setting. I think you're onto something with that connection.

[@alexpav845]

Interesting thing, that I didn't see anyone to discuss, is that if you go to a sea in Vortex of Genesis there will be option "collect your thoughts". It gives you three monologues in one of which Trailblazer first consider if black tide could be connected to Stellaron, but then reject this idea, because think that it's unreasonable to assume that world's problem could be related to Stellaron fourth time in the row.

[@SivylHouse]

Side tangent, but Aglaea referred to Cipher as a fellow demigod when she was talking to Bartholos during the Trailblazer Mission, so it’s highly likely that Cipher is the demigod that holds the Trickery Coreflame

[@GustavoJua15]

Yeah, it's basically confirmed

[@rinoakirova1548]

There's definitely too many mentions of Trailblazer and Phainon being similar to be just an Easter Egg. Upon meeting, we have that option that alludes to a connection, when discussing about Phainon's trial we refer to him as doppelganger, in the trailer devs included a very deliberate transition from Trailblazer morphing into Phainon, and in certain languages they both have the same Voice Actor (Kevin Kaslana's).

[@Guillerm015v]

Well this channel is perfect for me 1) Lore of Honkai Star Rail and videos about Past version With their secret details 2) Improve My English speak and Write 3) New content yupi

[@KouheixHazuki]

Honestly I think something is sus with Amporhous. Black tide looks like a computer glitch and the nymphs when collected show emotes. Maybe it's similar to Elysian Realm in HI 3rd?

[@liaartist3671]

Perhaps. Besides, the titans... they don't look like gods. They look way more like something created by the genius society rather than like other gods we know (like gaiathra)

[@sanilux-l2r]

I think it's a digital simulation of an actual world that once was, like a memory bubble but digitally recreated

[@eiarsan]

It absolutely is simulated world and a parallel to Elysian Realm. The black tide looks like a computer glitch and is acting like a virus corrupting the system. Who was the enemy of Elysian Realm again? Yep, Herrscher of Corruption. The story is waaay different than ER but it definitely has some similarities and elements.

[@rin3484]

Fun fact: Fragmentums can become a representation of the past and thus imitate past events or people. Sounds quite similar to how you’re able to go to the past with Oronyx’s blessing, no?

[@charlestonho6733]

Here my theory. There 2 Phainon. The other Phainon is black swordman in trailer and the one responsible for timeloop Essentially Black Phainon is 1st and OG Phainon where he and Cyrene and other Crysos Heir go journey to defeat Titan. Then after they defeated 12 titan, Cyrene reveal to be 13th Titan and Strongest titan. After brutal battle, Phainon barely won. but at cost of his entire comrade and force to kill Cyrene and Amphoreous was destroyed beyond salvage. Then Stelleron came in and tempted Pahinon to use it. With nothing to lose Phainon use 13 core flames and Stellaron to go back in time to set things right. However due to Erudition precdiction power, Amphoreous destruction is Gurantee as no matter how mant times Phainon go time loop, he ALWAYS fail no matter what he make changes. Now latest loop where he stab Cyrene to split her soul which one of them is Mem and March.

[@ashy969]

That sounds plausible. Very HI3 and Hoyo likes to recycle. But... What does Fuli do here? And who is the 3rd Aeon? :)

[@zestwestcott24]

@@ashy969 my two cents beings fuli is doin some sort of his simulated universe , considering some of the titans match aeons , while the third aeon could be mythus or nihility

[@hermansun7807]

I like how you put the relevant facts out there to let us make our own conclusions, instead of an essay on your theory.

[@xemnasxiii3992]

Isn't there also a readable in Amphoreus that says the prophecy isn't to be trusted ? In addition to the titans not wanting to cooperate with humans it sounds to me it's not impossible that someone is orchestrating all of this towards Amphoreus's destruction

[@Navi15]

12 Stellarons is too crazy. One is enough to change a planet, so 12 would instantly obliterate one. Plus the fact that Fuli, the droid head and a third Aeon **COUGH** Enigmata is involved, this means they're up to something. Maybe they're experimenting or making a bet on whether Amphoreus' fate is set in stone or that the future can change

[@ItsJustSaito]

Yknow i bet thats spot on

[@kyouneusford6382]

I got my own theory on what is happening on Amphoreus: My basis is the following: - Amphoreus is the only World that has 3 Aeons (Fuli, Nous and an unknown Aeon) involved in it - Only through the Garden of Recollection's mirror that Amphoreus could be seen - The Black Tide and Nymphs giving off digital "vibes" - The focus on Phainon as the "Deliverer" and "Vessel for Divinity" - Phainon's mysterious past and his constant secrets - Phainon's flashbacks to when Cyrene (HSR's Elysia) was slain (TBC that she is Cyrene) My theory: I find it odd that Amphoreus has 3 Aeons involved, which is a first in HSR lore. It is even odder when you factor in that the Garden of Recollection is the only way the Astral Express Crew can see it. Basically camouflaging it from the rest of the world. Not to mention the GoR's whole mission is to collect memories. Based on the digital aspects that one can find in Amphoreus (Black Tide and Nymphs), I would say that the Simulation theory holds some weight. This is especially relevant when you have both Fuli and Nous involved. Fuli who handles memories and Nous who handles knowledge. Now, what does Phainon have to do with this? My theory is that, similar to Genshin Impact's Sabzeruz Festival Arc, Phainon is the subject of a simulation created by the 3 Aeons. Being the vessel of divinity and all, Phainon is being used as a test subject by the Aeons to see the different and many outcomes of dealing with the "Black Tide". And I believe that the Astral Express Crew has been brought to Amphoreus by Fuli (via the GoR) as part of let's say: Iteration #1,984 of the simulation. For me, this sticks well with Phainon, who has a lot of experience in "dealing with things". Experience one can get from living through countless iterations of a simulation. Yet he seems to be going strong, although I doubt it would be the case for longer. Something to look at once we know more of his background, especially regarding the slain Cyrene in his flashback. As for what is the "Black Tide", I believe it to be part of Emperor Rupert I's Anti-Life Equation or some other thing such as a universal memetic virus. That is to be confirmed, especially when it looks exactly like the powers of Celestia's Unknown Goddess in Genshin Impact.

[@nezcluse621]

i think that the 3rd responce to the question of Aglaea of being false is actually a hint by the devs for us to think that the stellarons are not the seeds of destruction because it's not the will of Aglaea who makes the golden thread vibreted it's if we say the truth or not for our point of view i think. So we don't really know what its the stellarons like she said !

[@RednBlack-m5q]

It sure looks like a stellaron, but then, why cant trailblazer undrrstand what titans are saying? Previously it was established, she/he can hear other stellarons. But here we need Castorice to translate. And how can one world contain 12 of these things, when even one is too much... so much questions 🤔

[@RednBlack-m5q]

Oh, and also, the flame was exctracted from Nikador, delivered to the vortex and Trailblazer together with Dang Heng saw it, but didn't recognize a stellaron ?

[@tabletennisstars1227]

fuli might be stabilizing the effects of stellaron

[@typh2630]

@@RednBlack-m5q isnt the stellaron a separate entity from their host? If it’s true that they do house a stellaron, and if they have an insane resistance to stellaron corruption, then the MC not being able to understand them wouldn’t necessarily disprove the theory, since it could just be an ancient language of amphoreus/titans or something, tho yeah it wouldn’t answer how they didn’t identify it immediately in the time Phainon was carrying the coreflame around.

[@DafontaineArashi-z3s]

This is insane but if each coreflame is actually an inactive sealed stellaron that was housed within the giant robots called titans then wouldn't that mean that the real people of the original world were actually followers of nous due to their advanced knowledge of robots and crafts and such and that they found a way to invent and use stellarons as sources of energy that can power up the programmed titans to serve humanity however the robots themselves became infected by the anti-organic equation which led to the destruction of the actual world of amphorieus (in the original story it could have been that the flamechasers were actually in a mission to deactivate the titanic robots by removing their sources of energy which are the stellarons and put them in a special chamber that can house them however they ultimately failed and the price was the destruction of their world and probably the birth of one of the aeons from one of the survivers) afterwards fuli found it and he and his memokeepers recreated it as collected memories of course their work is still far from done until they accidentally stumbled upon the anti-organic equation which became a lethal memetic virus that infects memokeepers too so black swan had no choice but to involve the astral express to fix this virus that is called the black tide otherwise they might lose the entire recreated world to it and all it's precious memories will be lost since the process of recreating amphorieus is not completed yet and the process was halted due to the existing memetic virus as for the confusing history since the actual world relied on nous he probably calculated their demise ages ago before the actual events happened and after fuli got involved the enigmata saw an opportunity and went ahead and shrouded the real history and jumbled everything up just for the purpose of proving nous calculations wrong by giving the chrisos heirs a chance of saving their world (i mean come on the titans as gods? In a world where aeons are considered gods themselves? They look like robots with personalities if you ask me? And guess what? I think their personalities are actually programmed from each chrisos heir personality traits that's why they had to be the ones who put down these robots themselves)

[@sakuseihuoshen]

Developers: The birth of an Aeon does not affect the past(most likely because history would be rewritten everytime a new aeon is born). People be like: Phainon is Nanook. Reality: Phainon is called the deliverer, and he is simply the successor to the titan of deliverance(Kephale)…

[@sakuseihuoshen]

Also, only Nanook likes to utilize the Stellaron as it most likely is related to his own birth. Amphoreus is likely much older than Nanook's life span…

[@rickelmehanwinckel2699]

​@@sakuseihuoshenFuli literally show us How nanook was before ascending and the game tell us the birthrate of they,but people still say that phainon is nanook

[@Al_1284]

I feel one problem in this theory is that despite the fragmentums prescence with the Calyx and Cavern, it's still too scarce if the Coreflames were the Stellarons, in the Space Station just the moment Kafka and SW took to put the Stellaron in TB's body was enough to have the Station have corrosion in many places, while it's true that it seems that when Stellaron is secured it doesn't seems to corrode the environment, Phainon had the Coreflame with him a whole day while being around Okheima, and there's any sign of fragmentum corrosion, so, if the Coreflames really were Stellarons, why just carrying one doesn't has the normal effects? Also, I want to point out something interesing in Amphoreus I haven't seen anyone point out yet, at some point you say that the Titans have Paths similar to Aeons, but, I don't think these are similar, rather they are the same Paths, like, every Titan can be linked with one of the Paths that we already know of, there are obvious ones like Talanton with Equilibrium, Cerces with Erudition, or Janus with Trailblaze, furthermore, when reading the entries of the Titans in the Vortex of Creation is clear in their stories that there are some big similarities between each Titan and their respective Aeon, even key words related to the paths being repeated. With that I feel the Titans Emanator level entities that uphold the Paths since the Aeons doesn't seem to be present in Amphoreus, they might even be byproduct of the Aeons, since the Saga of Heroes prophecy has almost at the start "Then the gods cast down the Coreflames, and the Titans were born within", meaning there are some other "gods" aside from the Titans, to close this down, I think the Coreflames are something similar to Lighting Lord or the Corner Stones, something that can bestow someone Emanator level power, and can be passed to someone else. Anyway, nevertheless cool video, excited to see more Amphoreus theories from you in the future.

[@tabletennisstars1227]

cuz of fuli maybe. they are stabilizing the effects of stellaron

[@hermansun7807]

To speak of: An Amphora is a vessel. The Chinese word for Stellaron includes the character for core...

[@Guillerm015v]

Uhm that point 5:58 can explain that part of The op trailer of Amphoerus they do a comparason between TB and Phainon

[@tatotato85]

In my mind the Traiblazer is special, i cannot accept that there's a dozen trailblazers in Amphoreous.

[@nihili4196]

Why Phainon agreed to take the strife coreflame is not a question. We've seen everyone pressuring him into it, especially Mydei and Agalea. I'm so confused as to why people treat that part as some sort of mystery plot point where it's just simple fact of everyone except for Phainon expecting Phainon to be worthy.

[@raiarthur7873]

This would make amphoreus a testing ground for experiments a simulation. Just like the Claymore anime where these warriors were experimented on with dna from the monsters they were fighting in order to combat a more fearsome and dangerous enemy outside the simulation/experimental grounds.

i've been completely persuaded ! what a video

[@bingereads]

Was waiting for your thoughts all along

[@Madrigal025]

TBH for the Mydei spoiler it was already spoiled by so many things, from Phainon's eyes having Kephale's Symbol and the Book having all Flame Chasers overlap on specific Titan's and Mydei being on Nikador and Phainon being on Kephale is already like a direct confirmation

[@DafontaineArashi-z3s]

Also nanook looks similar to meydei, meydei might have been the one to take the stellaron of kephale in the original world and later on became nanook.

[@GustavoJua15]

I still think that Amphoreus is more of an analogy made by Fuli and Nous of the larger HSR universe. With Nikador and Mydei being the Nanook parallel. Nanook was born on a planet full of war, much like Mydei was born in a city state that engaged in war. Mydei even wishes for a different path for his people who have only known war.

[@tomitomhy7819]

I agree more on core flame is one stelaron split into twelve, rather than twelve stelaron. One enough to effect entire planet, ican imagine if it twelve. It's also explain why the shape are different.

[@MatchaLatteIsLife]

i mean... if we just go by "outer shell and bright core inside"... wouldnt the space anchor qualify too? like yeah its broken but...

[@boomboomssamudan]

ah my favorite hsr lore crafter is back cant wanit for next patch it will be much more interesting

[@markushavalone8444]

My tin foil hat crack theory is Amphoreus will explain "what is Stellaron". I find it weird that Stellaron and Imaginary energy share the same golden color, I bet both are the same thing and "people" in Star Rail-verse are mistaking it with Nanook because of that similarity And what if Aeon is The Will of Imaginary energy similar concept to The Will of Honkai? Hmmmm

[@ibelieveinwoozisupremacy8681]

If the trailblazer was created by his cells long time ago .... I'm note surprised...

[@NihilistaPositrónico]

bell is definitely not working, a manual catch-up is needed for these pieces of art

[@Tutaaaapl]

another theory another SLAY.

[@AlexDoesntArt]

This made me chuckle 🤣

[@florwo4970]

Can you make an analysis on aglaea’s trailer?

[@cauldren1]

Finally!

[@TkK1122]

Also can we talk about marchy?? What is happening to our girl!?!?!

[@TkK1122]

We miss kafka 😩♥️

[@Mortyferus]

Trailblazer becomes Nanook confirmed then?

[@nekuro-ba]

Very good story telling

[@ame-vz2ni]

Hiiii

[@jinminchoi838]

It's my bias, but I don't like Phainon somehow. I don't want him to be as important as the Trailblazer.

[@Yamiii.a]

true, it's just the start of the story and it seems that he is overhyped, because he is "the protagonist" or rather "kevin expy", i mean the story had an unexpected start, mydei was more deserving of the strife coreflame than anyone else because he has experience with fighting nikador.

[@typh2630]

That’s understandable, as an expy of an already established fan fav character, they’re deservedly writing him up to be “perfect” in a sense, but for ppl who don’t know or aren’t familiar with the characters original it could feel completely unprompted/undeserved and maybe even a little out of left field.

[@jinminchoi838]

@ I actually know of Kevin's arc, but I don't want them to put him on a pedestal. That would be too predictable, repetitive, and simplistic? I'm not sure but that's how I see it. Which as I said my bias. I want Cyrene to be playable though and have a better ending this time. I don't want to relieve the traumatic experience I had in HI3. Elysia's arc was more painful than Himeko's sacrifice -which was necessary for Kiana's character development.

[@typh2630]

@@jinminchoi838 oh don’t get me wrong, that’s what I meant, I’m just bad with words lol. You put it in a better way tho, being put on a pedestal is the easiest way to kill the hype of a character, kind of how I feel about Acheron in this game, if u take away all the Mei references she’s barely a standalone character (I get that was kinda her purpose but knowing still doesn’t make it feel not bad) and her character falls short. They obviously wanted to profit off of who she’s based on, but they went too hard on it imo.

[@tristan6668]

yeyyyy was awaiting your theory videos about amphoreus!! hopped on to watch the video right away 🥰🫶

[@jbjb1069]

finality 🌎 no 100.000.000 ⏮️