3 Different Karate Rulesets for Full-Contact

[@combatsportsarchive7632]

Jissen Kumite is basically Bas Rutten's Pancrase mode.

[@matthewa2095]

You got some pretty nice sweeps and takedowns. That 360 was really good as well

[@SaikouKarate]

Thanks a lot!🙏

[@prvtthd401]

I like Jissen Kumite the most.

[@SaikouKarate]

A must do in my opinion!👌🏼

[@tokenstandpoint93]

I have only experienced the classic Kyokushin rule set. I only learn about Jissen through your channel last year and just got my view of Shinken Shobu. I gotta say that I'm learning more towards Jissen as my fav since it looks more like an easier transition to Kudo which I so want to take part in someday. Always great to see a new video from you.

[@SaikouKarate]

If Kudo removed gloves it would be very close!👌🏼🥋 Thanks always for watching! Osu

[@mysticramen4104]

At my dojo i did something similar to jissen ,which includes slapping with the open back of the hand (haishu) to the head, but still no taking down at all, it was pretty intresting.

[@SaikouKarate]

That’s cool👊🏼

[@JunelieArthur111]

Having a bit of experience in all three, my order of preference as a casual, non-competing practitioner is 1st: Shinken Shobu - This is perhaps the most "sport-like" Kyokushin sparring is. It is fun and a bit less painful, and just a good way to bond with friends while also developing your own martial skills. It doesn't develop mental and physical conditioning as much, though. It is less of a "cultural experience" when it comes to Kyokushin, and if I were to rate it using that criterion, this would be in third. 2nd: Jissen Kumite - If I were to practice Kyokushin for self-defence, I'd rate this higher. Having had "street fights" (read: brawl between angsty, hormonal teens) when I was younger, I wish I knew that it was optimal to strike with the palm. Almost broke my hands back then. Also, having had experience with weapon based martial arts, being used to having open hands when fighting gives you options that having a closed fist all the time does not. 3rd: "Classic" kumite - It has its place and is PEERLESS when it comes to mental and physical conditioning, but if you are practicing Kyokushin for self-defence, you have to supplement it with a format that has head punches. Had this realization when I was punched in the head by a boxer repeatedly and I was not able to anticipate that at all. Thankfully that was in play sparring and the boxer was a good friend. If you are looking for mental and physical conditioning as well as the Kyokushin "culture" in sparring form, this would be in 1st. THE BEST: Have experience in all three, and spar in rule sets that are outside of Kyokushin. Be an empty cup but also be selective of what you want to retain.

[@SaikouKarate]

Definitely agree that it’s good to alternate and train all of them! Though personally I do less of Shinken Shobu than the others.

[@haikazumadesu36]

One that covers barehanded, stand up fighting and ground fighting. So may be: - Two rounds of stand up fighting with open gloves to allow better clinch fighting. No shooting for takedowns but sweeps, dumps, throws, are allowed, no submissions. A somewhat of a combination between Muay Thai and Modern Olympic Judo or Sanda ruleset. - Two rounds of MMA/Shootboxing style fighting. Takedowns, throws, sweeps, submissions are allowed (Shiken Shobu). - One round bareknuckle like the Pride FC (Jissen Kumite)

[@SaikouKarate]

Sounds like a fun combination of rulesets!🙏 kind of similar to Shidokan which is a Kyokushin offshoot.

[@zachparade2791]

Really enjoyed seeing these different rule sets. It is a good reminder that whatever rules you train by will have a direct effect on your ability to defend yourself. Thanks for sharing! 🥋

[@SaikouKarate]

Absolutely! Thanks for your comment and watching 🥋🙏

[@SuperEgo1983]

Another great video guys!

[@SaikouKarate]

Thanks a lot! Happy you enjoyed 🙏

[@DrCeran]

very interesting!! we're usually using kind of the 2nd version in "Tong Il Moo Do"

[@Holygroundmma]

Great vid brother

[@SaikouKarate]

Appreciate it💪🏻

[@VitorHugoFighter]

I really like Shinken Shobu, but Jissen Kumite seems to be very good for skill training. I hope this two rulesets get more popular over the years worldwide

[@SaikouKarate]

Hopefully we can inspire some more people to incorporate it into their training 🥋

[@blackpurple9163]

As a person concerned with self defence the most, Jissen Kumite is the best imo, allowing head strikes and grappling is what makes it a complete martial art for self defence, you can't fight a boxer in very cqc if you didn't train head strikes with fists and elbows, and there's always a chance of ground fight in any combat situation, so instead of avoiding grappling, embrace it and preparing for it will make anyone more focused on self defence

[@SaikouKarate]

For sure! You simply cannot express all Kyokushin techniques and applications without Jissen Kumite. That’s the original way to practice for the original purpose of self-defense 🥋

[@blackpurple9163]

@@SaikouKarate btw why don't kyokushin tournaments allow fists and elbows to the head with head gear? Is the head gear not safe enough? Because kyokushin gets a bad rep for not including punches to the face (even tho kicks are allowed), the punch restriction just makes kyokushin a handicapped boxing with kicks imo

[@SaikouKarate]

​@@blackpurple9163 You simply cannot realistically train sustainably and intensively without sacrificing something. Martial arts like Boxing or Muay Thai choose to disregard the barehand aspect in favour for increasing the prevalence of head punches. They did that by using protective gear like wrapping and gloves. This is problematic in another way because it completely removes any regard for safety for your hands, any intricacy in different types of hand strikes and quite a bit of intricacy defensively also. You end up with people spending most of their time focusing on practicing technique for punching to the head, that will most likely lead to broken knuckles, hands, wrists, potentially long lasting injuries if used without that protective equipment. Defensively as well it teaches blocking technique that is partially or completely non-functional without large gloves. Throw in serious brain trauma which is a guarantee for long time serious practitioners in these arts, and you can start to see why Oyama reasoned the way he did. The philosophy of Kyokushin as stated by Oyama is essentially to turn your body into a weapon. That means relying on any sort of protective equipment to use your techniques is totally off the table. By removing head punches it enabled practitioners to spar at full-contact regularly with no- or little risk to their cognitive function. Which in turn led to unparalleled physical conditioning and longevity. Looking at boxers in their 70s and comparing to Kyokushin karatekas in their 70s is a good way to get perspective. Unfortunately, in time many people forgot to practice the techniques in the Kyokushin syllabus in occasional sparring (which was always intended), like palm-strikes, knife-hands, ridge-hands etc to the head. Many dojos ended up focusing totally on the sport kumite ruleset(which is also great) but disregarded the practice of Jissen Kumite. As for why there is not more Jissen Kumite for tournaments, there is Kyokushin Budokai Organization who does all of their tournaments in only Jissen Kumite, but it is comparatively small. I would say unfortunately knowledge is lacking about the topic and the Kyokushin standard ruleset is just firmly set in people's minds since it does offer many benefits such as the ability to train without any protective equipment and at very high contact regularly without significant risk of head trauma.

[@blackpurple9163]

@@SaikouKarate this is very interesting, so most gyms have deliberately abandoned training head strikes in favor of focusing more on competitive and sport part of the martial art, are there any actual kyokushin gyms then that train head strikes as a part of their training regimen? Because the type of conditioning kyokushin practitioners go through makes it seem like they'll have no broken wrists or arm injuries if they even gently strike the best (with open palms for example) which they should teach as a self defence, because when they're solely focused on body shots, the other person doesn't expect a palm to the face or nose and in most fights I've noticed people either cover up their heads and expose their body or cover their body and expose their faces more, so it's easy to take advantage of that. Btw I'm trying to find a good kyokushin gym (or any good MMA gym) in my area, is there any website you know that only allows legitimate gyms and not Mcdojos to sign up? I'm from India and mma isn't as big here as I want it to be, there's no proper gyms anywhere in my city, and those that exist don't have much marketing So if you know a way to locate such gyms, like how you would look for them if you were to start over your career

[@SaikouKarate]

@@blackpurple9163 There are quite a lot of dojos that incorporate them into training at least to some limited extent, but I would say it's best to look for a dojo that does send people to competition but whose main focus is not competition. If they don't have any competitors at all, the kumite quality is probably low, but if that is the only focus of the dojo then it can get a little ridiculous with the sport focus and neglect of the actual practical approach. McDojos are rare for Kyokushin. As long as the dojo is a member of one of the major organisations you can probably rest easy about that (IKO Kyokushinkaikan, Shinkyokushinkai, Kyokushinkan, etc). Even if there is a very low focus on practicing head strikes at the dojo you find, I can still strongly recommend Kyokushin because it offers a very good foundation in technique, stance, body mechanics, conditioning, etc. You can apply everything you learn straight out of the box. The only thing you need to do is to on a semi-regular basis add some kumite training that includes hand-strikes, preferably similar to Jissen Kumite, and you will cover that. You can start doing that lightly in your free time with someone else from the dojo who is interested in participating. You don't necessarily need to do that during the classes, since you will learn everything else like parries, open-hand strikes etc in every legit Kyokushin dojo, even if they don't use them in Kumite.

[@edgaralejandro007]

Lo más completo de pelea callejera que he visto, quisiera ver técnicas Vs armas blancas, gracias

[@irvinjaycarranza6828]

Hi Sensei! Is it true that the throws and grappling of Kyokushin came from Judo?

[@SaikouKarate]

Osu, originally Judo was taught as a part of Kyokushin and it can be seen in most of Oyama's books. But there is also technically grappling from Okinawan karate present in all of the kata.

[@irvinjaycarranza6828]

@@SaikouKarate Great! Sensei, where can I watch Okinawan Kata that includes throws?

[@SaikouKarate]

@@irvinjaycarranza6828 Almost all Okinawan kata like the Goju Ryu katas (many of which exist in Kyokushin) are originally mainly grappling with some strikes thrown in. Same with the Pinan katas. There is a lot of strange modern bunkai based around the misunderstanding of uke-waza as being "blocking" techniques though, so how much value you get out of those kata applications is really up whether you go with the original way or the "modern" simplistic interpretations.

[@dingdingho]

I am practicing shinkyukushin, and the rule do not allow pushing😢 neither one hand nor two hands pushing

[@SaikouKarate]

It’s okay! If you just put up your arm as an obstacle, rather than actively push, you can still do sweeps legally 🥋🙏

[@dingdingho]

i like the second

[@SaikouKarate]

🥋👊🏼

[@errnapo]

Kyokushin is the Strongest and Best Karate, even I am a second Dan Black Belt in Traditional Okinawa Goju Ryu

[@mysticramen4104]

Sadly there is not more variety in the rulesets apart from kyokushin kumite in most dojos. I like it, but the face punches change the distance control a lot, if the other two rulesets were more encouraged, kyokushin without a doubt would be the best striking martial art, surpassing even muay thai by a lot.

[@SaikouKarate]

I agree it would be very good for the art if more started incorporating these into their training! Hopefully we can have an impact🥋

[@cahallo5964]

you do judo too right?

[@SaikouKarate]

Not currently but we have in the past! 🥋

[@cahallo5964]

@@SaikouKarate I can see it in your gripping man I am such a nerd lol

[@SaikouKarate]

@@cahallo5964 🤣 Good eye!

[@СтилиянКръстев-ъ9и]

I love karate 😊I training too but it's a Olympic vkf rules 😢is very bad I want training full contact kyokushin

[@SaikouKarate]

If you train Kyokushin or similar in the future you can use many things you are learning right now too :) just try to avoid learning point strategies and focus on practical technique 💪🏻

[@lorismarchitelli5274]

Onestly, the last one could be made better with a Kudo helmet. Trust me thous things are hard to punch, just add open handed strikes to already existing kudo and there you have it

[@SaikouKarate]

That is definitely true! Unfortunately those helmets are quite expensive to buy in large quantities but I fully agree.

[@lorismarchitelli5274]

@@SaikouKarate true, they cost quite a bit.

[@slipperydoorknob2173]

Kudo helments are too bulky. The face guard is too large and when you shell up, your arms are ~8" away from your face.

[@lorismarchitelli5274]

@@slipperydoorknob2173 mmmhh it's not really a problem thoe.. if that is the case the game is just more difficult, since you can't shell up as good as in boxing (also because you don't have big gloves) ad you can develop a better defence. Also, it would be better to do Kudo training togeather with Kikboxing sparring and regular Kyokushin sparring to get used to the aspects in withc ghe three styles shine best. Also the bulkiness of the helmet is a tread off for hedbutts and elbows in sparring