3: Refilling isobutane stove cartridges and a little about adapters on the cheap

[@buzzinka]

eureka moment, 4 years later' I have the adapter's hong kong , and 7.5kg on the wall and 2 1kg bottle from china with Jetboil genesis and luna .all from this little adapter you placed on youtube , Thanks man vivid is the imagination bro.

[@777dannydan]

buzzinka hahaha, damnit! Well done with patience&perseverance our brother buzz...👍🏼

[@fxpose]

If you want the propane mix get a G-Works canister-to-canister adapter and transfer fuel from the large 16oz IsoPro canisters.

[@aaronliu9945]

This is what I do. I only buy fuel in the large cans and refuel a small or medium can with as much as I need for a trip. Saves a lot of money because you're getting a better value for the large cans (only half the $/gram vs the small cans) and you never need to take more fuel than you need or worse, a partially used can with a new full one which saves a lot of pack weight.

[@baywarra]

Excellent find man . Thanks heaps 👍👍

[@tspis]

Isobutane is NOT 75% butane / 25% propane mix (or a mix of gases at all). Isobutane is an isomer of butane, having the same chemical formula as regular butane (aka n-butane), but a different spatial configuration. Because of that, isobutane's boiling point is 11 degrees Celsius/19 degrees Fahrenheit lower, meaning it has better performance in the cold or high elevation than n-butane. The stuff in the canister IS a mix, however - but it is a mix of 75% isobutane (not butane) / 25% propane.

[@jamesaritchie1]

I refill with one hundred percent butane. Cold weather is simply not a problem, if you know how to keep the canister warm. It's not difficult.

[@tseawell90]

James Ritchie How do you keep the canister warm?

[@tonyjackson5115]

set it on top of a hand warmer. If you're running your stove at full tilt for an extended period of time it may get too cold anyway. as the can gets depleted the liquid gas (because it's under pressure) expands (because its still a gas (vapor)) and gets cold.

[@amigaamiga7671]

Like 2-methylpropane or 1,1-dimethylethane ; p

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I have read that Propane stores at a higher pressure than Butane does.. Thus Jet Boil ect use mostly a butane mix so they can use a lighter cannister that id designed to store gas at a lower pressure.. A pure Propane Cannister must be made of thicker stronger metal to with stand 800 PSI .. Since this is a low volume cannister and rather rare they can charge a higher price for them .. I have not yet figured out what pressure Butane liquifies at.. in Propane you never fill a cylinder over 80% full with liquid .. New 10 & 20 LB Propane tanks have a float valve shut off system you they can't be over filled ..

[@L.Parisi]

i just made one out of the plastic adapter that lighter refill canisters have. Choose the adapter with same diameter of the naked valve, cut a slit/drill hole on the side at about 2 mm from the nozzle. Done or simply cut a slit (2 mm from nozzle) on those lighter refiller canisters with plastic nozzle

[@davidharkins5345]

Great video ! I too learned something I didn’t know..... THANK YOU ,be safe on you next adventure.

[@scottmonahan5673]

Thanks for the tips. Very cool. And I will be careful and be responsible for my own actions. I'll keep my comments positive.

[@777dannydan]

Scott Monahan , pick and choose ones battles wisely!

[@chetgravatt9562]

That little notch on the tall can is for fitting to a stove or heater for which the can was originaly designed for.

[@njchris9654]

Yes, you are right... They sell adaptors for it to convert into stoves.... However, i feel as a narrow, 12 inch tall stove isnt really practical

[@philiptong4978]

the notch indicate the feeding tube orientation adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com/2012/01/butane-adapter-warning.html

[@hogue3666]

Your link no longer works. Any idea where to buy this adapter on Amazon?

[@Morningdovecamp]

wow!! Very interesting and well done. Thank you for this useful info👍🏻😉

[@DannyWalker1949]

Thank You for this video, I learned somethings here.

[@madeucedancinclub2452]

THE SLOT ON THE SIDE OF THE CAN IS A SLOT FOR USE IN STOVES, THE ONES THAT COME IN A PLASTIC CARRYING CASE LIKE A CASE FOR A DRIL, IN ORDER FOR THE STOVE TO WORK IT MUST BE ALIGNED PROPERLY, KINDA LIKE A SAFETY SYSTEM. SALUTE FROM A VET

[@mattcarolina]

Is butane any better or more efficient than propane? Just curious I use single burner on 1lb bottles for lots of things including heat in my shed.. So I just found refilling those.. I can't get them full but everything is below freezing so I think it would work better if I can warm up the 20lb I fill them from.. Essentially both my empty and full tanks are frozen but... It's cheaper to run the stove over just running my fish fryer off the 20lb.. Which is cheaper than running the tank mounted brick or mrbuddy type heaters... For my small space.. Maybe in a bigger shed!

[@keithfox2]

I get the butane canisters for $5 for 4 at Sams club to refill my cook canisters. Also to overcome cold weather I keep them in my sleeping bag at night.

[@believeit3203]

Theres a YT video showing how to make your own adapter from a butane lighter part and a piece of stainless tube (from lowes or Home depot) and model airplane fuel line. it works well and cost is probably only a few bucks, but supplies would make several adapters. I believe it is titled "how to refill butane canisters" or something similar.

[@jalleman61]

Excellent video.Thanks for sharing

[@crazyobservations3080]

I continue to use them at home for cooking, coffee until empty. get new ones for camping

[@michaelm7]

remove air that is displacing new fuel?

[@Trieuable]

That butane canister from China bad adapter piece that you you're talking about is not for an adapter. It's for a camp stove top or basically a butane stove portable

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I wonder how much the scale costs ?? If you want to fill more faster put the cannister back in the freezer.. with Nitrous Oxide you can over fill this way .. I use a bathroom scale as I am filling bottles that hold 10 pounds of Liquid Nitrous at about 800 PSI ..

[@MylesNicholas]

Those Chinese gas cans cost $3.50 US for four in Australia and I use them in my portable gas cooker ($10.50 US) Coleman charges like a wounded bull because they can.

[@njchris9654]

+Myles Nicholas thats a great price for them.. i am unable to find them cheaper than a bucks a piece anywhere in the states.

[@chrisz.9974]

So you can theoretically get the half empty cans, put it into the big butane can, then fill up another half empty can.

[@GEAUXFRUGAL]

Thanks for the info I would opt to refill the smaller canisters since they are safer and will not fall over near as easily.

[@stevensmith1911]

How does the straight butane do at say 12,000 feet?

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

I like the good use of a drug scale.

[@karenprior3435]

Oh what a shame the link doesn't work anymore and have to buy scales. The alternative is about £45.

[@realmisterkorea]

Awesome tip!!!

[@Bob-eo3gf]

Awesome video.

[@njchris9654]

Christopher William Hogan www.amazon.com/Primus-Filling-Adapter-Butane-Canisters/dp/B000XYR02O/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1416432947&sr=8-5&keywords=butane+refill+nozzle Hope this helps

[@1dimtim]

$2 www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gas-Refill-Adapter-for-Outdoor-Camping-Stove-Gas-Cylinder-Gas-Tank-Gas-Burn-v-h9/362148349670?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 $2

[@Katorga12]

Thanks!!

[@normlor8109]

I just recieved my mini China stove last week and ordered the 3 legged transfer adapter for use with the butane cans, I also want to use my mini stove with my 1lb Propane tank. I see an adapter for this but not sure about one end, the one fitting onto my transfer plate. do you have any idea how I can use my 1lb tank on my mini stove?

[@MasterChief-sl9ro]

www.amazon.com/Lixada-Camping-Adapter-Outdoor-Propane/dp/B07HQ7VRZP

[@email4shopping2013]

How much is the refill butane cost? And now you are left with multiple of THOSE canisters? On top of that, you are refilling it with pure butane instead of isobutane/propane mix which I am sure has purpose in the backpacking trip.

[@duckmeat4674]

Those bottles cost about $4, for 4-5 of them. And unless you are camping below 32F, pure butane is fine

[@robertmunilla8042]

Great info sharing video

[@alikalindsay9528]

Thanks! very helpful and interesting

[@theosalt1]

Why not take a spare extra canister on your trip and replace the existing one when empty?

[@leoferretti2259]

Because one full canister is lighter than 1 full plus a half-empty one

[@theosalt1]

@@leoferretti2259 Gee wizz. I did not realize that the extra 200 grams or so was so critical and less benificial than having spare emergency gas if needed. A wise lesson for us all.

[@ChuckNorris01]

Why does it weight more then the off the shelf weight when I weight it? So how do I determine when it’s full when I refill them las you did?

[@jheighten7568]

Fill a bucket with water throw it inside upside down and that will tell you how full it is. KZbin has videos

[@bigskytroutbum]

So, Chris (or anyone else) ....if I can find that propane adapter you mention at 4:13, is there any reason I can't go with 100% propane? A lot cheaper, reportedly delivers the same BTUs, and no empty butane refill cans going into the landfill. I don't see anyone doing it here on KZbin, so is there a safety issue of some sort? Would very much appreciate any replies. Thanks.

[@bigskytroutbum]

@@mintymush4259 Yeah, several people have warned me about that elsewhere on this site. Actually, since I posted that I found the appropriate hardware and have been refilling with 100% propane (at a cost of roughly 35 to 45 cents for the small 250g canisters, depending on the price of bulk propane). I backpack upwards of 100 days a year and burn 15-20 canisters of fuel a season, so most of my canisters have been refilled several times. This is important however: I did learn the hard way to avoid overfilling the canisters. I tried to cheat and overfill by about 10% of the original net weight, i.e., putting 275 grams into a 250 gram canister and had it fail. Didn't explode, but just opened a split next to the valve, and my kitchen suddenly smelled like propane. So, it's very important to use a digital scale ($8-10 on eBay) to keep track of how much propane is going in and stay at the net weight posted on the canister - which is often less than the big number on the label (Several brands sell "250" canisters that hold 220g of fuel.) . Kind of a pain in the butt, as you have to disconnect from the hose to get an accurate reading, but eventually you get a feel for it and can tell when you're getting close. If you accidentally go over weight, release the excess immediately. Probably not going to level your house and the ones next door, but not worth screwing around with. Aside from cost, I resisted switching over to canister stoves because I didn't like the idea of throwing 15-20 canisters a year into the landfill, but now that I've cracked the code on refills, it's working very well for me. I use the same username on Gmail if you have any other questions or need a link to the hardware that works. Hope this helps.

[@philiptong4978]

The 20% space is there to allow thermal expansion of the liquid, it is a convention when filling bulk (20lb) refillable propane tanks, correctly sized OPD valve helps to ensure that The EN417 standard allows max 13.2 bar (at 50C) www.en-standard.eu/bs-en-417-2012-non-refillable-metallic-gas-cartridges-for-liquefied-petroleum-gases-with-or-without-a-valve-for-use-with-portable-appliances-construction-inspection-testing-and-marking/ guess what happens if a 100% propane filled EN417 gas tank ever warms up enough (hint: slightly hotter than a healthy human being) www.engineeringtoolbox.com/propane-butane-mix-d_1043.html

[@bigskytroutbum]

@@philiptong4978 Thanks very much for this input, Phillip. I really appreciate the time you've invested here. I am very careful to keep my canisters out of the direct sun and other keep them cool. I will also be a lot more careful about overfilling. I'm going to have a friend with an engineering degree explain the content in those links. Thanks again.

[@philiptong4978]

@@bigskytroutbum glad you find it useful, be safe and enjoy your new found knowledge :) always check for leaks everytime the valve is used, over time rust may form that could affect how well it seals, slow leak in non-ventilated environment will be a much bigger concern than losing fuel adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com/2012/01/gas-canister-refilling.html bushwalkingnsw.org.au/clubsites/FAQ/FAQ_Stoves.htm

[@426superbee4]

Most of these stove canister will refill and touch lighter, with out any modification > but i want to refill the stove canisters, They don't have a over fill valve. Reason save on money and reused the canisters for my camping stove He hee >> i do know 1 thing the filling tank need to be turn up side down for the liquid to run into the canister or things to refill

[@ChuckNorris01]

Name of the scale please and maybe link? It's range?

[@BOOSTEDLASER]

Whats the refill can cost

[@stationvictormike3415]

Just like sluging 5g propane tanks. I used to work for Ferrel Gas.

[@deathsoulger1]

bro amazing video huge savings wow! dude

[@Lv2flair]

I keep hearing about how butane needs to be mixed with the propane for better performace during the winter so I would not mess with trying to do the mixing. I'd love to know if...I could use this valve to marry canisters to combine te fuel into one.

[@njchris9654]

Well in order to do that you would kind of need 2 male ends... this adapter does not have 2 male ends

[@Lv2flair]

Ok thanks.

[@fxpose]

Just get a G-Works canister to canister adapter...

[@pukau2002]

wow! i thought the adapter is only for camping gaz. their shipping system is terrible, mine only packed inside a paper envelope. almost lost it as it was torn by the time it arrive

[@climbslc2281]

Don't refillith butane alone. They will not perform the same as the isobutane/propane mix across the range of temperatures and altitudes you will encounter. Either refill from another larger cartridge of the same type or buy a new one.

[@ebikecnx7239]

Works fine for me in tropics.

[@diannafromgermany1881]

I refill them with pure propane for cold winter conditions. In summer pure butane is ok.

[@farzamg7405]

DiANNA from Germany What adapter do you use to refill the isobutane canisters with propane? Any issues? Thanks in advance. Hard to find 8 oz. propane canisters :) @NJ Chris.. Great video. thanks.

[@njchris9654]

Farzam G I appreciate it =) These adapters are getting easier and easier to find it seems... when i did the video last year there was like no information on them!

[@farzamg7405]

NJ Chris :) Yea; china/korea realized there is a market for it; and thank god for that. Made very little sense to have a disposable metal cartridge. Have you filled an isopropane canister with propane from a 1lb propane can? Hoping there would be a single adapter as oppose to having to combine multiple adapters.

[@njchris9654]

i have not for the sole reason that i believe butane is cheaper and it works for me... I can buy 300 grams of butane (10 ounces) for a buck... If i buy an expensive adapter to save another 5 cents per fill its just not worth it haha... this adapter is cheap and it works so well.... been refilling the same tank for 2 years now

[@farzamg7405]

NJ Chris makes sense. In my case I want to move to a single source of fuel(propane) for all appliances so that would've been helpful. just ordered the adapter... seems its been redesigned but look forward to putting it to good use. btw. they don't recommend refilling the cans more than 4 times, but some others don't recommend filling them at all!!! :) happy camping....

[@kawaman5469]

what about wintertime i refill with propane

[@speedbumphu]

Great idea, thanks man!

[@rezaetemad591]

so far its been almost 3 weeks and the tracking website tells me that my parcel is still in Taiwan !!!so....make one yourself or expect at least 1.5 month delivery time !

[@njchris9654]

sorry to hear this.... i got mine in 2 weeks from them.

[@ryanjofre]

Stop crying bro..............that's what you deserve for not buying USA made......period.

[@richdibuo2182]

Whats the made in USA option? Link please !

[@njchris9654]

Right... Cause im sure your house is not filled with items from walmart.... the truth of the matter is... 95% of items now a days are made in china... look at all your coffee mugs, computer desk, clothes, etc...

[@richdibuo2182]

NJ Chris knew he couldn't like the option, that's why I asked...

[@BigTVideos]

Butane does not burn the same. Many Jet Boil‘s have been damaged by butane as it spills over and is not as efficient. Be very careful.

[@jajajdjdjdj6434]

Doubt that mate cuz its mainly butane anyway

[@catlady8324]

For only $6 I’ll buy the fucking can.

[@michaelsrowland]

The second item you demonstrated can be dangerous as gas can leak out

[@DONALDOBRIAN]

Thank you

[@dixy2k]

Cool tip.

[@JohnMury]

Thanks for the idea! The amazon link you have doesn't always have stock and the price fluctuates wildly. The link to the exact adapter you use in the video is here: store.taiwancamping.net/home/outdoor-gears

[@gsp49]

Why do you call those cans cartridges? Canister, tank, bottle. Not cartridges.

[@stationvictormike3415]

Only to 75% which is safe

[@josesalas430]

It was actually 135.6 grams

[@shanerasmussen6207]

Where's the link????

[@sidparish8077]

Not true I can refill from 20 lb cylinders

[@2manysigns]

Good !

[@bretpedersen4847]

there are these adapters all over ebay lol for $1.80

[@njchris9654]

there very well may be... i did this vid 4 years ago and it wasnt avail back then... THnaks!

[@bretpedersen4847]

NJ Chris great clip mate save a lot of people hard earned money

[@kurtotterstein8833]

What's the link guys I need this

[@njchris9654]

there are so many now... heres a cheap on on ebay www.ebay.com/itm/Gas-Refill-Adapter-Cylinder-Gas-Burner-Camping-Stove-Inflate-Butane-Canister-NEW/253535596560?hash=item3b07e63010:g:U18AAOSwqu1awty-

[@charlietango1635]

sorry about this comment my friend, but I have put at least 2 video's out there on the transfering of gas to other canisters, go take a look at my channel

[@MARKINAU8]

pocket size butane stove $14 can just save all the hassle

[@jajajdjdjdj6434]

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[@jajajdjdjdj6434]

Tf are u even on about mate

[@MARKINAU8]

@@jajajdjdjdj6434 you tried then we talk

[@jajajdjdjdj6434]

@@MARKINAU8 mate i dont even get what u meant

[@Hockeyfan9884]

Personally I would not dare publish this video , unless I knew ALL OF THE FACTS ! If you blow yourself up or others , who's responsible then ?

[@spaceman51974]

Useless in the winter since butane's boiling temp is 30F. Isobutane is much higher in quality and the propane gives it winter usability. Filling with pure propane puts you at risk because these canisters are not manufactured to withstand the higher boiling pressures of propane and you might have a surprise in warmer weather... kaboom. Stick with the manufactured ones and happy camping.

[@aviationnationhd3760]

Except one is isobutane and the other is butane. Not exactly the same, plus it’s missing the propane .

[@tiberiu_nicolae]

Butane is fine when its warm outside

[@KrossFire330]

lol people in this thread are going to turn a butane canister into a pressurized bomb by filling it with propane and stuffing in their backback. just lol

[@yung_lemon6314]

Please work on lighting!

[@Techno_Nomadic]

Be safe folks, most of this information isn't accurate.

[@someguydino6770]

dude; is this video about your subject matter or about your face? also; maybe work on "adapting" your lighting if you are going to make a decent presentation. You can do better!

[@Moroni108]

Dino DiNaso - Good Lord man! Are you really that much of a jerk? Such a high level insulting and rude critique from such a benign and yet helpful spirited video... I suggest you sit down and take a deep look inside of yourself and ask yourself what you can do to personally improve your own character... / NJ Chris - Thank you for the video Sir, and I know that back in 2014, there was a lot less to know about these types of procedures.... I remember looking and finding very little. Good video!!

[@jajajdjdjdj6434]

Shutup mate

[@georgefenrich4119]

OLD Viedo move on...

[@twcamping]

Thank you...!!