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[@culjonez22]

In 1997 I toured the Saturn engine plant in Buffalo, which was next level for GM. One side of the building looked like the movie Gung Ho where it was a typical dingy GM plant where they were making the Chevy motors and the other half looked like a clean room science lab where they were putting together the Saturn motors. The guy giving us the tour was so proud of how much care went into every Saturn component compared to the other GM motors.

[@scottysgarage4393]

And the Chevy's are still running...

[@palebeachbum]

Interestingly, the Cavalier was a more reliable car than the first and second-gen SL/SC.

[@bldontmatter5319]

​@@scottysgarage4393yes. Saturns budget became very little and eventually they were pushed out of the market

[@Rich-fr2yv]

Ironically they quickly ended up using the same engines as the Chevys. And as a previous owner of a Saturn L300 3.0 V6, that was a wise decision

[@palebeachbum]

@@Rich-fr2yv The L-series Saturn wasn't really a Saturn. It was based on a shared Opel/Vauxhall platform which also used their V6 engine.

[@rustyshackleford1687]

I recently needed an extra car and bought an exceptionally well-cared for 2001 Saturn SL2, and I 100% agree. I paid a hair over $3k for it with 130k miles. It's fully loaded and has a 5 speed. It's absolutely brilliant and fun to drive. I've had to do very little to it and what few things I have had to do mostly cost less than $10 with pick n' pull parts and any work can be done by a novice with hand tools and KZbin. I keep it in a garage and fully expect to still be surviving 20 years from now. It's really such a forgotten gem for basic transportation.

[@peterbutlien1335]

You guys in the Saturn look like two bears stuffed into a one bear bag.

[@pedro200232201]

They maxed out the pay load of that poor lil Saturn with just 2 passengers lol

[@nickrulez809765]

2 bears in a Saturn sounds like a jam band name.

[@peterbutlien1335]

@mediocreman2 just a regular bag. Holds a bear.

[@jdiluigi]

Buick 3800.... Ultra reliable. What maintenance i did have to do I did in my driveway. No lift. No special tools. They're in other GMs too.

[@MSG685]

I had a 94 Bonneville for 8 years. (98 to 07). The thing was unkillable .

[@billolsen4360]

Same with the Crown Vics

[@jayhiggins5239]

Retirees would buy manual versions of the Saturn SL/SW to flat tow behind their RV. Replace the wheel bearings and you have a great cheap vehicle.

[@backlash660]

We had the twin of that Saturn . It was a tank . We put somewhere between 300k and 400k on it.

[@palebeachbum]

A Rolls Royce, a BMW M6, and a Saturn SL2 show up and the Saturn is the star of the video. I loved those first- and second-generation Saturns. I briefly owned a 1997 SC1 5-speed. It was dark metallic green with a beige cloth interior and a clamshell 3rd door. The SOHC 1.9L by that point had 100hp, which doesn't sound like anything, but it was a pretty lightweight car, and with the manual, it actually had decent power and was fun to drive.

[@geoffreyreuther5260]

I owned a '97 SC1 and agree, it was fantastic, reasonably peppy, and with some minor tire and suspension mods, absolutely GLUED to the road. And it sipped gas. One minor nitpick though.... yours was a 99+. The 3rd door didn't exist before then.

[@palebeachbum]

@@geoffreyreuther5260 you're right. It was so long ago and I only owned it for a short period of time.

[@diegosilang4823]

This old Rolls Royce is better than modern vehicles 20 years from now. Spending 5K on bad F150 tail light is no fun.

[@ckm-mkc]

The brake pads & rotors are $4000 just in parts - that is if you can even find a set. And the hydraulic system can cost over $15k to fix.

[@diegosilang4823]

@@ckm-mkc 15k you can get a cool set of fabricating equiptment and use it over and over again

[@justinstrother9506]

I love these auction walk around videos!

[@personator907]

Those old Saturns are cool! I wish GM would have let them keep doing their own thing rather than using badge engineering on the later models.

[@williamegler8771]

Saturn was never profitable enough to fund the development of a new model let alone a range of models. It only had the financial resources to perform facelifts and minor updates. Original owners were enthusiastic about their vehicles but eventually, a majority of them moved on. General Motors rebadged other models of vehicles to try to appeal to them and keep them loyal to the brand

[@imrytebeehyneu]

It's just that Americans don't think on what's good for them anymore, just only on looks. Tons of Europeans, tons of sport cars and Japanese small cars. Luxury, speed and compact. Americans did try that but as always, no one pays no attention. And that's why they go to badge engineering cause the imports ' did the same ', I don't know if any of you notice that... Chevrolet Cavalier is one example....

[@loganhorne4310]

What a wonderful surprise! My first car was a 1995 SC2. It got me from age 16 until I was finished with medical school. I learned to work on cars with basic tools and had a great time. Thanks guys!

[@davidmurray1630]

Wow! I bought a brand new SLT-2 in 1994 and absolutely loved the car. The car drove great and the chassis was very tight. There were two design issues that absolutely drove me nuts. 1st, the hvac controls were not back-light, so it was very difficult to see what the hell you were doing at night. 2nd, when it got below 45 degrees, the compressor would not come on to help defog the front windshield. So then you had to switch to full heat or the windshield was fogged over! The defrost debacle was the design flaw that drove me insane!!!!!

[@nwredneck390]

I had an '01 Saturn SC1 with the 3rd door. The back seat really wasn't meant for adults... Put about 200,000 miles on it and it was awesome the whole time. Loved it.

[@theadvocate4698]

Had a 2000 sl manual and a 2000 LS manual, the LS was way more solid and tight! kept the LS for 8 years and sold it to a friend who kept it for 4 years, i traded the sl for the ls on the 30 days exchange program and never regretted it! The sl was light and fun but the ls was more comfortable and german feeling....I miss the saturn "experience"....

[@robb4866]

I had a 2002 Saturn SL1 and it was fantastic. Granted the moon roof went out after the warranty expired and started leaking at 150k miles but was fantastic mechanically. The headliner started drooping but I loved the 5 speed. Got 48-52 mpg driving to Cali from Az many times! Great cars! I would get another! Owned it for 8 years!

[@twinchantillytiffanysbenny8852]

I’m so glad you guys stumbled across this auction lot! You guys can do soooooo many videos with all the cars there. I would love to spend about a month just testing driving all those cars and doing videos! Keep it up TFL! You guys are the bomb!💣

[@ajvangorden1344]

I actually learned to drive stick on a 2001 Saturn SL2. My 1st car. Was my older sister's 1st car purchase, then she gave it to me, I gave it to my brother and then he gave it to a friend. Reliable, lightweight and cheap! Also went through a deer or 2 and a black bear that ran into the side of it! It was a trooper!

[@kornhead37]

My first car in high school was a 91 SC2 and the first modification I ever did was a HotShot cold air intake. Miss that car! Totalled it, took the intake off and later fit it to my SW20. Put the filter right at the side vent on the driver side. Sounded amazing!

[@glennoropeza3545]

Those old Silver Shadow's are a bargain! A good condition one from the late '70's can be bought for under $10,000! Or buy a dead one under $3000! I've seen one guy who bought a dead Silver Shadow and mounted it's big luxurious body on a Chevy 4X4 Silverado chassis with lift kit and huge tires!

[@frglee]

Back in the early 90s, a semi-retired friend in the UK with engineering experience bought a cheap and well used early 60s Silver Cloud to renovate and work on as a hobby. He told me they were fairly easy to work on with generic service parts and even used componants being available. After he completed it, it sat in his store barn for a while. His wife thought it too ostentatious to travel locally in or take on a touring holiday. A neighbour asked him if he'd like to do a family wedding with it, which he was paid for, and word got round so he was asked again and again. Eventually he even bought himself a uniform to wear while driving to complete the image! Word of mouth brought in a surprising amount of weddings business. Eventually he was asked if he was interested in making some good money using it to ferry foreign businesspeople about starting with an airport pickup. He said the car earned it's keep and more. It was very reliable, but needed attention from time to time, especially proper regular servicing.

[@MultiTelan]

I had two Saturns. A 96 SL1 and a 2000 SL1. Both were stupid nuts reliable. The only problem I had with either of them was with the 96; a body panel did shatter, but it was below freezing for quite some time and I got a bit too close to a brick planter. I actually want to find another one for around town trips.

[@JCWWRacing905]

I had a second gen Saturn SC1, SOHC and manual transmission. I miss the car but it came beat up and the body did crack and splinter. I took care of it when I had it and ran several highway trips in it.

[@bryaninnc5511]

I bought a ‘93 Saturn SL2 new. It was a great car and actually was fun to drive if you got the manual. Steering was responsive and the 124hp wasn’t bad since the car didn’t weigh very much. It was still running strong when I sold 10 years later.

[@Wannabecowboy004]

I was truly shocked to see a Saturn on this episode, I honestly have yet to find a video where people have lots of negativity to say about the s-series, I have had a few over the years and they truly are a robust cheap car. My first Saturn was a 96 SL2 auto and I tortured that poor car but it never ever gave up I ended up wrapping it around a light pole and it still Ran an drove. Now currently I currently own 2 1996 Saturns a sw2 auto and a SL2 5spd have had them for 7yrs and don’t plan on getting rid of them as they are way better and more reliable than my newer cars 🤣

[@nowiecoche]

If there ever was a negative review of the Saturn S Series, it would probably be all the minor nitpicks of the low cost build of the car, all of which the Saturn fans will counter in the comment section with all the positives of the car. The Saturn truly is a great representation of basic transportation vehicle.

[@Wannabecowboy004]

@@nowiecoche I will agree with that and will add I firmly believe that the s-series was a great attempt by the american auto makers to compete with Japanese, I own a Toyota product from the same era as well and my S-series are mechanically as reliable as the Toyota just the build quality and fit n finish aren’t as good as the Toyota

[@MDillonEV]

You guys SHOULD buy that rolls. It would be fun to watch the videos on that money pit.

[@ckm-mkc]

IRC the brake pads & discs on the Rolls are unique and only available from Rolls. The price is around $4000 for a set.

[@Jok3rz21]

I really miss Saturn. Really wish they were still around.

[@gameaholicadam1969]

my first car was a hand me down from my mom it was a 97 Saturn sl2 and it was good for getting from point a to point b. it was well maintained as my dad used to be a mechanic so we knew it was in good shape. and the car was free for me so I didn't complain. it was very reliable and when I bought my first car (which was brand new) which was a 2010 Chevy HHR we got 2k for it and it was a kids first car and then i think he had a accident with it.

[@jnmaher1967]

What a team. Nathan and Brenden. Good shoulder to shoulder front seat test.

[@yorelescovar2716]

That RR is perfect for swaping the engine for an electric motor, the exterior and interior are so well preserved... and it is beautiful too...

[@joellamoureux7914]

My 1993 saturn sc2 manual went to 650k and still ran perfect. Was totalled in a parking lot but it drove me home

[@reganmahoney8264]

I loved the 2 Saturns that I owned. An SL2 and LS2.

[@Nick-rn7uh]

That duel cam Saturn gave my 4.4 x5 a run for its money I finally got around it pushing 130mph plus it's hood was being held down by a ratchet strap, that Saturn earn my respect yesterday I'd buy one

[@jaqlagerra3057]

Anybody else look at their phone like "what just happened?" When this turned into a saturn video😂😂😂

[@geoffreyreuther5260]

Oh I was ready to scream at my screen if they were going to bag on an old Saturn... 😆

[@alanlittell8385]

Great video. Please do more same topic. Was suprised to see Saturn as a buy.

[@brockjennings]

Loved my 1995 SL2. Went for broke with leather, sunroof, CD player, foglights and rear spoiler. Started to burn oil at 100K miles, but never left me stranded.

[@darwinskeeper421]

The Silver Shadow sounds like an interesting project car if you're willing to replace the engine, transmission and braking system with more reliable GM hardware. The problem is that if you REALLY wanted to make it reliable, you'd have to replace the hydropneumatic suspension with coilovers. This sounds like an expensive proposition.

[@kameljoe21]

The problem would be finding a viable car in good shape for cheap. Less than 5k and 20k for the new engine, trans, brakes and suspension would be a steal at 25k to end. Now finding the right hardware is the problem. I am sure there is a forum out there with all the details. Just going to take you a month to sort it out. There appears to be a lot of these older models out there rotting away. No one drives them daily.

[@jpi8726]

I had a 1999 SL1 with the manual transmission. The only option I ordered was the A/C. 233,000 miles before I finally traded it in (Honda dealer gave me $100 for it) I would take that car back in a minute as a utility commuter. Reliable, decent gas mileage and reasonably fun to drive with the manual. I didn't even mind the crank up windows. They really don't make cars like that anymore.

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

Ide take a bullet in my leg before selling my car for $100....wow, that is insane. I was looking at one of those saw one for 2000 but it had around 230 thousand miles on it, manual transmission. I don't need A/C was broken in my first two cars so I got used to not using it, and I live in the south.

[@philliproscher5817]

Had an 01 Saturn SC1 5 speed. Bought it for 4k out 50k miles on it in two years and sold it for 2500. Got my moneys worth in fuel savings alone. It got 42mpg. Should have kept that one just as a run-a-round car. I’d buy one today

[@MyViewToronto]

GM cancelling the Saturn brand was a big shame. They could have really done something good with them.

[@bryaninnc5511]

I agree, but they had already given up on the division and started selling rebadged Chevrolets a few years before.

[@darrendaine4914]

I would exactly do that to the Rolls-Royce just because I like the looks of it and who cares at least it would be dependable

[@dannyyarbrough5938]

The Saturn SL series and the Geo Metro and variants were really great cars for what they were!

[@mikeholland1031]

Geo was suzuki

[@brianworden7022]

I just bought my first car... a 69 VW Beetle. I like my car.. I picked a very simple car, one that I know I can learn to work on.

[@kameljoe21]

I have seen a number of those Royal Roycs for sale in the range of 10 to 25k. The problem is that every single one of them has some form of leak or problem. To swap it out with a modern engine/trans and break and suspension would set you back what you pay for the car. Now does that make that car worth far more? It might interns of someone who wants to daily one of these, a collector no so much.

[@TheCoyote808]

The daily beater you got for $800, a carton of Winstons, and a pair of 40oz Colt 45s *IS* the fastest car around town. It's driven with 0 care, and the gas pedal has 2 positions.

[@lynnryckman7300]

Ive heard of people doing a LS conversions on those cars with good results ,just saying.

[@americanrambler4972]

Is that BMW V10 the car that had no dip stick and you had to take it to the dealer to check the oil because they were they had a huge oil consumption problem?

[@2DogsVlogs]

Actually the S1, S11 RR Shadow, T & T1 Bentley is actually quite easy to work on. The SU's can be a little challenging. As you mentioned always buy the best one you can afford, not a project. Parts are the major issue. They are expensive and can send you bankrupt. Now the later 80's Spur, even a good one will break you. Others to avoid are early Jaguar XJS, XJ12. They fixed a lot of issues from 1979. For something a bit newer, avoid the 1984 to 1987 XF Ford Falcon\Fairmont\Fairlane\LTD. These are really badly built, though cheap to repair the Cam wares excessively, panels never fit. If you want something similar get the 82-84 XE. It's also better looking

[@benjaminkoontz2711]

Are there ANY 20 + year old European cars that you recommend for reliability and ease of ownership with the possibility of $$ appreciation?

[@friguy4444]

Oh yes I AGREE!! If you own an "M6 or M5" from that era with the V10 DO NOT KEEP IT either!! You will regret every single day with it until you GIVE IT AWAY to your neighbor whom will take it off your hands and not even charge you to take it away!! NEVER NEVER buy one and just leave them all for guys like me who work on them and drive the heck burger out of them after I've put in the Getrag Manual 6 speed transmission. Thank you!!

[@dontcare3430]

I've got a Cummings to to drop in a rolls. Not the new shadow though.

[@Mountain_Tactical]

Why am I not surprised that Nate owned a Saturn? He probably owned a PT cruiser as well

[@RyansuBike]

Shocked that a BMW would be a unreliable money pit

[@MyassesDragon]

The Saturn really had it's suspension tested.

[@jaqlagerra3057]

OMG 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@rafibenatar2519]

Great stuff 🙌🙌🙌👍🏻

[@geoffmower8729]

It might cost a lot but changing out the engine, trans and braking system in that Rolls Royce would end in one very desirable motor car.

[@basbeestKT]

I deeply HATE all Bangle BMWs and also the ones with the new, idiotically large grilles. Nice video btw :)

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Made in Britain. They didn’t know what a running car was until Toyota, Honda, and Datsun came to their shores. It has a nice presence to it though. Like the old American land yachts with more posh.😂👍

[@jerroldshelton9367]

Made in Britain. They knew what a "running car" was when they built the Triumph TR-4A of mine that is still running. Honda wasn't even making cars when the TR-4A was built. My dad's Austin-Healey is still running.fine and it is 65 years old. How many 65 year old Toyotas and Datsuns do you presume to be found on British roads today?

[@seeburg10]

⁠​⁠@@jerroldshelton9367 Loved my TR 4-A. Very easy to work on and fairly reliable.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@jerroldshelton9367I think they preserve the British cars for the sake of preserving a piece of history.

[@davidlalama7679]

“The SMG transmission, in this vehicle, will follow you home, and it might put a pillow over your face when you sleep. It is that bad. Period.” 😂😂😂😂 5:11

[@awhipps]

I heard RVers loved Saturns, because you could flat tow them and the odometer wouldn't spin. I don't know if this is true or not and I'm curious if you guys know.

[@geoffreyreuther5260]

Couldn't tell you about the odometer, but they were very popular flat tow vehicles for RVs. A couple people I spoke to used them because they were lighter to tow, very compact (both for maneuverability of the RV when parking and also when day-tripping from base camp), and got great gas mileage.

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

I looked at buying a used M3 with only 900 miles. It was equipped with an SMG transmission. Test drove it and it was absolutely terrible. I can see why it was traded in. Ended up buying a new 2008 M3 convertible with a manual transmission.

[@glennoropeza3545]

BTW I owned 2 Saturn SL2! Very good bargain!

[@thomosburn8740]

The one serious downside to the Saturn engines is they had a tiny drain hole in the block for oil. If you let the car go 3200 miles without an oil change it would throw the timing chain. My 2nd wife's car did this only four or five times.

[@herbodiferous7751]

Bought ours new in '97, would blow the overflow cap off while coolant was still cold, dropped the timing chain with 83,500 miles. Got oil changes on time. Repairs were more than book value for the car, we scrapped it

[@lawrenceralph7481]

My eccentric sister-in-law has an covered undriven 88 Rolls slowing disintegrating on her mother's driveway now for a decade. 2nd law of thermodynamics in action.

[@LebronPhoto1]

I often wonder if taking a car like a Rolls Royce and replacing the engine and some of the drive and suspension components with Chevy parts would make it more reliable and cheaper to repair.

[@gerryfinch2014]

Tyler Hoover and the Car Wizard elaborated on why not to buy the Rolls or the BMW.

[@leonardmacaulay9833]

My 89 SL2 did 200,000 family miles and did it while still allowing kid’s education fund. I actually miss a GM product ?

[@thebonefish]

I had a stick 02 SL2. I took to the drag strip one night, got a 16.0 with a just over 2.0 60' time. I ran it a dozen times and left the slips hiding with the manuals for a happy surprise

[@moose64]

Id get the Rolls and swap it to normal brakes and swap a LS into it.

[@andysupple4838]

That makes sense It already has a GM TH400 transmission

[@htimsid]

As if changing it to normal brakes would be easy or reliable. The standard brakes are complicated but work fine if set up and maintained properly.

[@moose64]

Swap to Wilwood...Run new lines...install booster. Done. Nothing Rolls left other than the iconic look. @@htimsid

[@vincentrobinette1507]

From the sound of it, it sounded like it was hitting even on all four cylinders. If you bought that, I would have all the fluids changed in it, new filters, and just have it as a daily driver. Very drivable. It's nice to not have to worry about a scratch or dent made by a shopping cart at the grocery store. I simply hate worrying about an expensive luxury car being damaged while parked. Not a concern, with this old Saturn!

[@YusssoM]

Rolls Royce is the LEAST surprising to not buy. Everybody knows why buying an old RR isn't a great idea 😂

[@Dankcatvacs]

Atleast it's mechanical

[@trwsandford]

The first rule of cars is don’t buy a NEW Rolls Royce.

[@LitheApo]

Good luck finding parts.

[@colinschmitz8297]

The second rule is don't buy a used RR.

[@jamesonpace726]

3 of the finest unpolished gems in the parking lot. Had 2 Rollers & a Bentley, '59, '61 & '63, 30 years ago for the same price as today. Think about that fer a sec....

[@htimsid]

Many contemporary Audis are as or more difficult to work on than the Shadow.

[@jkk244]

Saturn really changed the automotive industry under the hood. Because it was a completely clean sheet of paper design, the engineers at Saturn decided to seriously tidy up everything under the hood of their first model. That meant they organized the hoses, vacuum lines, wires, and everything else provide a neat orderly look. No other manufacturer at that time was doing that. Not Toyota, not Honda, nobody. Look under the hood of any other car from 30 years ago and hoses and wires went everywhere. How things looked under the hood was not important. They were really the first manufacturer to provide an attention to detail under the hood.

[@weegeemike]

My uncles friend started a limo/car service with an 80s era Rolls Royce. He could never turn a profit duebto the fact that 1. The car was so expensive to repair and maintain and 2. It was in the shop so often he rarely was ever able to even drive the damn thing for its inteneded purpose of making money with 😅😅😂

[@lawrenceralph7481]

Top of the list 1. base Camry ICE fwd 2. base RAV4 ICE fwd 3. Base Tacoma fwd. Good transport choices for most needs.

[@tabs9213]

The RR is a pleasure to drive. But will eat you out of house and home to maintain. You have to make sure the brake fluid is not contaminated. There is a difference between Castrol RR 363 and the regular 363 brake fluiid. It turns all the rubber seals in the brake and suspension into. Bubble gum where it all leaks. If it is run dont walk.

[@jonathanjackson9208]

I don’t agree with the Rolls, I’ve watched countless videos that say as long as they are maintained properly they are pretty inexpensive to run. You should never buy a car that needs tons of work period!

[@skunkworks9-3]

That Saturn needs a Seafoam treatment and some new plugs and an 02 sensor. After that it's 30-35 mpg and just tooting around for a few years.

[@airmanma]

I LOVED MY 2 SATURNS. SHAME ON GM FOR KILLING THEIR BRAND.

[@PaddyBoy644]

One name that strikes fear into anyone that has to diagnose an electrical issue “Lucas”!😥 Cheers Pat 🇦🇺

[@julioangel1839]

Saturn was the only car that would get rear ended at 10mph and get front end damage from the collision as the Shockwave from the impact would travel through the plastic

[@geoffreyreuther5260]

On the plus side, I sideswiped a Honda at a 50 MPH speed differential and neither car took any damage at all...

[@timczifrik7715]

As far as the Rolls Royce goes... would it be cheaper to just install a 350 crate engine and create a semi daily driver for the summer.!?? I really don;t know I am genuinely asking.

[@30smsuperstrat]

If nathan and Brendan drove around topless it would be the highest watched TFL yet.

[@michaeltutty1540]

That Rolls-Royce is not the nightmare you let people belueve. The headliner in that car is West Of England Wool. The leather is from Connelly. The carpets are Wilton pure wool. The hydraulics are not the black art you portray. The system is almost idenyical to that in a Citroen DS. The engine is strong and tough. The transmission is a built under license GM Turbohydramatic 400 3 speed. All in all, if you know how, maintenance is not bad for either cost of labour. Most people get intimidated by them, but take your time snd they are robust and reliable.

[@0159ralph]

It's bad when someone from the UK tells you they wouldn't buy a Rolls or a Landrover, they are the biggest POS going. Take that back, I ment going on a flat bed to the garage.

[@seanfattireguythomas2994]

From a Lake house down to the trailer park I seen nothing I personally would call a Classic 😂

[@danng4346]

Remind me ZZ Top and "the old man down the road"!

[@mirthenary]

I have to agree with the other people, an old rolls is one of the least surprising classics to never buy😂

[@thebigguy8306]

Thank you guys, great discussion. OH so many tragic classics, mostly 70-80s American made junk, and European trash

[@randallsmith7885]

I want to know what was inside of that rear seat console…

[@edwinwise6751]

I’ve had a lot of British sports cares , a lot of joy and a whole lot of heartache

[@kokosoko8371]

I still have a 1995 gmc suburban

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

I need to know what was in that rear armrest....

[@Nockowaki]

If money was no object , I would only trust Ian Tyrrell’s shop to restore classics!

[@barrondeville1866]

I had a BMW M5 I could have bought a new Honda Civic for what it cost me to maintain it over a 4 year period.

[@Bobby-kp6ln]

I once heard Rolls Royse has a lifetime warranty on running gear?

[@mavrickmiller2755]

Its interesting how in Europe especially, there is a cult following of people who daily old Rolls Royces and swear by their reliability.

[@NicholasDemichele]

Woo i was thinking how badass the first Saturn's were still many one road burning oil but running strong dam union killed them

[@user-pl7lr5dn8q]

the m6 was so damn cool i always wanted one. Shame they never last in good working condition unless u got the money for it