3 Things: 23 YO leaving over NO proposal, Update on the SAHGF, a Wife gets an STD

[@beepbopboop7727]

Story 2; Never underestimate the savagery of males.

[@HunterLvyiXIII]

Especially after the plant story reminded me. It's just not worth the risk

[@plinko84]

This right here. The selfishness and audacity is disgusting. Typical male. ☕️

[@helena3631]

this i work in occupational health so many women in their 50's coming in looks for jobs over years being at home and the man threw them out..these men are evil i dont trust none of them ..if a relationship doesnt benefit me i am not doing it

[@Isthisjoebiden]

​@@helena3631I keep telling women the nature of men. Most are also in their FAFO season because they just refuse to see the fundamentally dark nature of males

[@snicholson8884]

And worse, her grown children are no help to her. Not even a couch to sleep on. They said go on food stamps 😂. This man must have threatened them with a g.u.n because nothing can come between me and my mama. I thought, if she leaves him, she can live with one of her adult kids, they can give a small allowance and make a year plan for her to get on her own two feet. No. 😢 I feel like she's going to end up on the streets and literally begging. Perhaps that's what she needs. To find her resilience and start over and become the woman to herself she needs. I'm so mad about the grown children advice. But men like him never change, the ppl around them just wait for their death and then move on without them. Wishing her all the best; I gave my life for my mum and I just wish her kids could have worked together for her benefit.

[@wk4227]

The first story: The women telling her to stay are incorrect. She is 23 he is almost 30. He is getting most of the benefits. What does she actually lose if she moves back with her parents? She is paying HALF of everything which includes his mortgage. Cooking, cleaning, sex, emotional labor, etc. are probably on her. She's giving wife benefits without being a wife and NO GUARANTEE THAT SHE WILL BE A WIFE and she knows that. Every excuse he made she waited for him to accomplish and still nothing. If he still wants her he will wait, work it out, and get her back. If he moves on then she saved herself.

[@unicorn73212]

She needs to put her foot down I'm having a similar problem with my ex only he's not a husband he was a live in boyfriend trying to trap me into a marriage and the harder he pressure me to work on his schedule the more I just keep saying no I have this guy plenty of chances and now I'm in debt because of it but I realized if I just kept him on the hook like this for years and years and refused to be in a relationship with him eventually at the end they will say don't bother clinginess and power trips are absolutely no way to gain respect from a woman i refuse to be his placeholder because He's a grown ass man and he had his own money of he needs a caregiver thst

[@seabreeze4559]

This is why you never move in before marriage, men SAY why buy the cow if you get the milk for free so BELIEVE THEM.

[@madarawijerathne276]

I feel 23 is too early to marriage or move in with them and on the other hand he's 27 he should be ready and she's not wrong at all to leave. Either way it's good she's dumping him

[@MissJade777]

Being a wife isn't necessarily the prize either, if the man is toxic.

[@LGrian]

@@seabreeze4559the men you want to marry do not have this attitude. My parents lived together 4 years before marriage. The differences is my dad floated marriage within a year. It was my mum who wanted to wait because men before him and had only shown their true colors after living together a few years. Im so glad I took her advice. If I hadn’t, I wouldn’t have experienced my ex’s abuse until after marriage, and I wouldn’t be with the wonderful man I’m with now.

[@DuttyGyal718]

Nope. Not the AH in the first story. Always put a time limit on XY's foolishness. Always value YOUR time. Nobody else will.

[@natcl9974]

Yes!

[@BurbNBougie]

I'm loving these youngins

[@fantym1633]

I can only hope she has fool-proof method of BC - too many stories of men sabotaging & the fact she's asked about his plans recently may be all he "needs" to try & sabotage *her*

[@c16621]

Amen to that! I say 3 year limit, from beginning to end.

[@MelissaThompson432]

My feeling: he's a "30 year boyfriend" in the making. It has only been 1.5 years and that's not very long, but it seems clear that he's putting up roadblocks and she can see him doing it. Once you hit that point, you may as well go.

[@lilm497]

First story definitely NTA. What the people in the comments are overlooking is it’s never a matter of men being “ready”. Either they see you as their life partner or they don’t. I’ve seen women stick around for years just to get dumped in their mid-late thirties, and their ex proposes to the next girl 6 months later. If he’s telling you he’s not going to commit LISTEN and leave! I get that she is young but that’s all the more reason to leave while she is ahead.

[@heneverforesakesme4038]

I totally agree with this statement.

[@elietahari7290]

THIS

[@BurbNBougie]

Totally. Be decisive

[@katherines144]

This. This. This. If he's telling you he doesn't care then leave!!

[@seabreeze4559]

ah, Next Girl effect.

[@SweetAven00]

I work with a 23 year old with the first stories mindset. These younger women are listening and now see that men dont change too much over time so why waste yours? I have friends who married young and are doing great and others who ended up heartbroken, burned and divorced. The ones that are still married stood on their values and boundaries and got rid of partners that didn’t meet their needs. She can get married young just not to the one shes with.

[@heneverforesakesme4038]

amen

[@Chillikilli]

Exactly!!!

[@BurbNBougie]

I love these young ladies

[@goodgirlvicki]

I agree

[@annt7384]

Yes. Men are used to being the prize 🏆 so think they have a lot of play in the relationship. They don’t realize marriage is the real goal for a lot of women who can just as easily let a man go as easily as a man can string a woman along.

[@DeeperThanMyThoughts]

The last woman should prosecute her husband for spousal abuse. What he has done is considered a sexual violation/SA. Giving someone an std without informing them is a criminal offence. Prosecute, and take his money. It's utterly abhorrent that he violated their entire relationship from inception. He needs to pay!

[@luthorforpresident9353]

It's not a criminal offense in most of the US unless it's a House In Virginia, and many states are decriminalizing it since these new drugs make it undetectable.

[@nightwishisthegreatestband6355]

The second woman said she was raised to believe that people will eventually pay back her kindness. Her parents or whoever taught her that screwed her with that delusion. But the decision to stay for this long was all her.

[@seabreeze4559]

'eventually' didn't even happen to literal Jesus?

[@nightwishisthegreatestband6355]

​@@seabreeze4559exactly

[@LGrian]

How much we bet they only taught their girl children this “wisdom”

[@aloveaffairwithself]

Exactly. She stayed with him her entire life. And I think it’s because she was comfortable not because she had boundaries. How does she stay in year five that she wants to be married, but never makes a beeline for the exit when it doesn’t happen? She picked comfort over self preservation. Because that man gave her everything she wanted and needed without her having to work for it independently. She waited till she realized that this man wanted her under his feet to decide to get a degree and a job. With years of NO work experience. And grown children. Keep in mind she got an allowance all this time. There is absolutely no way that if a man is giving me an allowance, I’m a stay at home girlfriend, and my children are school-age that I wouldn’t have at least gotten a degree or two in all of those years that I was with that man. Or had a hustle. Her self preservation skills did not kick in until she realize this man did not love her the way that he was supposed to. But also never honored her request of knowing that she wanted to be married, which was the first red flag. The fact that she continued on and had a bunch of children with him on top of staying with him all those years has more to do with her being comfortable, than anything else. And although I hate this for her, This was her decision.

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

Her parents were probably as bas as the husband.

[@Egh0127]

Imagine having to say "my kids dad" after you're already 50 years old because he refused to marry you for 2 decades 😢that is so sad

[@Chillikilli]

Embarrassing

[@ddoubleu170]

Imagine having been married to someone for two decades who didn’t want to marry you!? 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@annt7384]

Yeah, poor thing. It’s sad but sadder still to stay in that relationship.

[@ddoubleu170]

@@annt7384 - 🎯🎯🎯 That’s the key. She stayed.

[@張家豪-f1y]

DRETIKOCURE on KZbin thank you for using your herbs to unravel the complexities of HPV and provide me with the finest medical care possible.🚩🚩

[@mizzmolly7649]

Leave before you end up becoming a single mother. Take a trip to Paris.

[@BurbNBougie]

Yup.

[@metalliclav9289]

Yes, do what Lauren should have done!

[@seabreeze4559]

Say you wanna be a minimalist and declutter your stuff to your parent's house. Then go to Paris.

[@mizzmolly7649]

@@seabreeze4559 Minimalism is against my religion. 😄 Keep the house and just travel to Paris 6 times a year. When you're childfree and you don't have a dusty managing your life, you can do those kinds of things . ❤

[@soulshadoww55]

You all are so right. Paris is always the answer!

[@childfreechick2980]

I feel so bad for the last lady. She has an incurable and stigmatized std. Not because she was being loose and wreckless with her own body, but bc she trusted someone who was. The coroner would’ve been collecting him…

[@Liz-wz8dh]

What a horror story. It's stories like that that make me seriously contemplate being single for the rest of my days or at least until all of the incurable STDs are actually cured. Most of these guys can't be trusted to keep it in their pants even to take care of themselves and that's just the sad truth of the situation. I think of these types of stories whenever a pookie with 5 baby mamas tries to sniff around for interest. It's like no thank you, go the F away.

[@fantym1633]

There are recurrent news stories, since the 80s, of men *knowingly* infecting intimate partners. I rarely read about any, much less significant, sentences being handed down. My advice to women is the same advice I was given as a nurse: treat all patients as infected & protect yourself accordingly.

[@ana-nim]

​@@Liz-wz8dh we wouldn't be able to cure them in the nearest future. As for now humanity doesn't know how to cure any viruses, doesn't matter if it's respiratory viruses, herpes, HPV, HIV. We can suppress them (at least some, HIV for example, and therapy is invention of a woman btw) and we can boost immune system with curing symptoms (like with respiratory viruses) but we have no clue how to get rid of them. It fascinates me how we can transplant almost everything in our bodies, we can literally sew back damaged blood vessels but can't do anything with viruses. Anyway, no sex for males if it's so hard for them to taim their urges.

[@ana-nim]

​@@fantym1633 oh yeah, I got extremely hypochondriac because of the one story. There is a video of one girl from my region, she was giving an interview to spread awareness about HIV. She got infected when she was 18-19 years old, it was her first partner. She was in love and truly believed that it's her first and only. Well, he gave her HIV, he knew that he has it but he just didn't care since he already was infected. He was older as well. And he left her. So she lost her virginity, got dumped after it and later found out that he gave her HIV. She is married now, she goes through the therapy so she can't infect her husband and she can give birth to the healthy baby but it's still with her for the rest of her life. And of course comments under the video were bashing her, not the man who took virginity of the younger girl and gave her HIV. He isn't a villain for them, she is. But guess what, if she actually followed their "advices" like not sleeping with anyone, sex after marriage and blablabla she would be bashed for being picky, hitting the wall and dying alone with cats 👍 A little story from eretic medieval Eastern Europe.

[@seabreeze4559]

She can press charges for all the medical stuff including reckless endangerment for others.

[@talkingtochapri]

She should leave because most males don't even marry their first bob the builder girlfriend, after becoming rich they upgrade to the woman they actually desire. Secondly, if your goal is marriage then you have no business wasting your time with a 50-50 male, who doesn't even have a house, money and any stability in his life 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@sissi6013]

he owns a house

[@katherines144]

😅 Bob the builder gf

[@helena3631]

this is correct bob the builder is the chick they need to build their to get the attention of the women they want...any women building these days its on them because the information is out there.

[@Maderlololohio]

​@@sissi6013she does not. She is not on the deed which is also not good.

[@BrookeKnits]

​@priskruger314 right. She shouldn't marry him off that alone. She should be contributing 0 to HIS house. Definitely not 50%

[@noniboo1521]

The 2nd women with 4 kids. She stayed waaay too long and had nothing to fall on. She might as well have married him, and then at least she would have finally protected herself. There's not much anybody can do for her.

[@vanaphill2454]

As soon as she made it known that she wanted marriage. She should have left when he said no.

[@manifest2203]

Yes even now she is making emotional decisions. She should have planned her exit better.

[@張家豪-f1y]

DRETIKOCURE on KZbin thank you for using your herbs to unravel the complexities of HPV and provide me with the finest medical care possible🚩

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

One thing all women need to understand is that you will never regret the time you spend getting an education, working a job and having savings, obtaining certifications, being single and with yourself. You will however regret wasting your time and energy on an indecisive or abusive partner. Bonus points if you can achieve this while in a relationship and not completely lose yourself. We tend to change ourselves incrementally throughout the relationship to suit the different seasons... Job loss, income loss, first child, second child, multiple children (each child keeps you 5-7 years in postpartum), working while managing all these aspects, ...while men tend not to change much, and don't expect to change much... They then turn to you and wonder why you're not the same. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@seabreeze4559]

It's funniest when they saddle the Party Girl with kids then ask her, seriously ask her Why are you no fun anymore?

[@battlefieldopen6232]

​@@seabreeze4559when they pull that line why you're not fun anymore.... You know what time it is!! They either have side pieces or out there scouting for their future prey on their wives.

[@張家豪-f1y]

DRETIKOCURE on KZbin thank you for using your herbs to unravel the complexities of HPV and provide me with the finest medical care possible.🚩🚩

[@salutemimi81]

The fact her husband argued with her knowing he gave her a std.😢😢😢 I can't imagine the feelings she must deal with daily. And he still lied once he admitted to sleeping with someone outside of their marriage 😢

[@Liz-wz8dh]

That would be an immediate divorce for me. No looking back. After the divorce, never speak to him again. And she really needs to get a therapist to see weekly if she cannot talk to her friends and family about it (which is totally understandable). That's a lot of very understandable rage she is going to have to process. I wish that lady peace.

[@BurbNBougie]

He was hoping against hope that she'd stepped out like he had.

[@salutemimi81]

@@BurbNBougie Sick and shameful

[@vanaphill2454]

This is why it's condoms condoms, condoms for me. My health is more important than his hurt feelings. Sorry not sorry.

[@nicolewood7957]

@@vanaphill2454condoms won’t protect you from herpes. The scrotum is still out there flapping skin against your vulva. I hate for you to have a false sense of security about this. We gotta ask for their paperwork

[@bd10232003]

As far as the last story, my ex-husband did this to me. Only me and my doctor knows about it, and I don’t believe I’ll be dating in the future, so I don’t have to reveal anything to someone else. I know that’s not necessarily a deal breaker, but I don’t even want to think about it…

[@mrod87]

I can understand just being absolutely sick of men, but i also hope u are somewhere living a beautiful life full of people and things u enjoy man or not. ❤ these men are terrifying.

[@bd10232003]

@@mrod87 Thanks sis. I’m not sick of men, I just choose not to date. But I still have a full life with people I care about. I’m good. ♥️

[@dday3322]

💜💜💜💜💜

[@ddoubleu170]

You can have a happy vibrant love life. Please don’t shut yourself off to that because of herpes. It’s not worth it and it’s so common; it’s certainly not a dealbreaker. Sending you love and light! 🤍🙏🏾

[@oanaion4899]

For the lady in the first story: watch your birth control like a hawk.

[@TheDivineMsM245]

My granny used to call living together “playing house” well I never have nor will I ever play house. Ladies maintain your own household and don’t let these dusties get a foothold in your life unless you’re ready for marriage 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@seabreeze4559]

"living in sin" I heard, because it always ends badly

[@ddoubleu170]

Unless they’re ready for marriage. Men propose, women accept or decline.

[@TheDivineMsM245]

@@ddoubleu170 No ring, no womb. No ring, no wife like duties. No ring, no cohabitation 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@naediggs4816]

That 25-yr gf story is a cautionary tale in more ways than 1. Notice how her children are not really standing beside her or helping her almost at all. Telling their mom, who clearly sacrificed everything, to get a job at a gas station or SNAP is crazy. They have to establish themselves first, I get that, but accusing her of holding _him_ hostage, is crazy. What so many women don't get is that when their partner is cold, ungrateful, and cruel towards them, they raise their kids to treat her in the same way. Mel Hamlett talked about this dynamic where the king baby fathers created this tag-team dynamic with the kids against the mom. The kids don't know any better, and the fathers get to use weaponized incompetence, and other tactics to get their way. So many women talk about bearing the entire burden of the home because their husbands do nothing, but that means their kids ALSO do nothing to help her. There are a lot of adult children very rightfully stepping away from their toxic parents. But there's a flip side we don't hear as often about, of the women who become doormats for their families and get discarded in the end. This used to happen all the time on the early 20th and 19th centuries (and before) when, if women divorced, she had no rights to her children, home, or property, and was left penniless in the street. I'm so sad for this lady, cause this might be her fate, but I reaaaally hope not. It's crazy that she saved nothing for herself, but idk why that could be. Women statistically reinvest most of their income back into the home/family, so maybe that's why

[@aprilfox9205]

That hurt me to see, like why aren't they saying hey mom come stay with me. We can get you your degree so you can get a decent job. So disappointing.

[@naediggs4816]

@@aprilfox9205 I knew that we are socialized to hate women, and mothers, but for some reason it never clicked that this extends to women's own children, too. Terrible, but it makes me never want children. The expectation for women to mule and labor even extends from the children, which wouldn't necessarily be bad when the children are dependent, but no compassion or reciprocity, whatsoever? So much anger and scorn direct towards women all the time. Sad. OP doesn't even see that her kids hate her too. A dangerous gas station night shift job? I would die before suggesting something like that to my mom.

[@manifest2203]

Feel so sad for this woman. She never learnt about male nature. She doesn’t know much about the outside world either. I think she didn’t plan her exit properly. She should have planned better and told him as a final resort. Also, doesn’t she have any jewelry she could sell or anything? Did he give her nothing? What life did she live?

[@manifest2203]

@@naediggs4816 yes and if it is male children it is even worse. They always blame the mother and give the title of sainthood to the father.

[@helena3631]

this shes going to be like the many women coming into my job after living with a man for years...many womens boyfriends of 20+ years died of covid or had heart attacks during that time those men left no life insurnace/pension or wasnt on any bank account ..how women do this for decades is crazy to me and left with rent due and cant acess no money and abput to be evicted.

[@theblaqkhaleesi9559]

Depending on the state, 2nd woman should check whether she's automatically considered to be in a common law marriage.

[@LMc-l7h]

Oh, that's a great point - I hope someone in her life tells her this!

[@constancemercedes701]

That 3rd lady who got an STI deserves a Nobel Prize for not seriously turning violent when she found out she had Herpes. If that were me, I may have ended up on an episode of Snapped. The worst part was the cavalier attitude her husband had. And to top it all off, he tells her he has been cheating their entire marriage, so it wasn't like this was a one-time affair he only had recently that he ended. He has been cheating the entire time. Their whole marriage is a lie and that seems devastating to realize that the marriage you thought you had never existed.

[@seabreeze4559]

She can press criminal charges and sue for things like reckless endangerment, damage to fertility, brain etc.

[@gibsonn2018]

He would have left my house on a gurney or in a body bag 🙂

[@張家豪-f1y]

DRETIKOCURE on KZbin thank you for using your herbs to unravel the complexities of HPV and provide me with the finest medical care possible🚩

[@poeticlovee]

To the first girl; she knows her worth. The bf is doing what’s best “for him”. She, too, needs to do what’s best for her. She will never regret putting herself first.

[@張家豪-f1y]

DRETIKOCURE on KZbin thank you for using your herbs to unravel the complexities of HPV and provide me with the finest medical care possible🚩

[@availanila]

Holy hell she's getting awful advice from those women in Story One. Nobody listened to her sayong it's his house she's living in and being 50/50 in _his house._ I could never and she must nip it right now!

[@elietahari7290]

I don't think the first one would a be a A-hole if she left. I do agree 23 is young but I think she knows enough about herself and her relationship to know what she wants and I absolutely love that for her! Wish I had had that foresight and fortitude to see things for what they were and stand ten toes down on leaving instead of making excuses and wasting time. She knows more about her living situation than we do and if she's ready to jet now it tells me there are red flags she's seeing and is looking for validation to leave and just isn't able to communicate it.

[@leehalloway8787]

It is crazy that the second ladies name isn't on anything. Her husband wanted complete control.

[@munamuhammad2896]

They are not married.

[@leehalloway8787]

@@munamuhammad2896 Exactly the problem. They weren't married and she didn't have her name on anything. You don't need to be married to have your name on things. After being together for decades, he can kick her out despite her forgoing her career to care for him and the children. After a disagreement, he can just kick her to the streets with nothing. The power imbalance is crazy.

[@Egh0127]

I feel like a judge would have sympathy on her though and wouldn't allow a woman in her 50s to be homeless without anything because of him

[@helena3631]

thier not married she just lived with him for years and had kids ...she wasted her time shes not owed anything beyond child support if the kids under 18 or 21 in some states which is not going to be enough to pay bills

[@TrueOrigins1618]

I hope she’s in California, so she can at least attempt to sue for assets under the common law statute. He’s had to have claimed her as a spouse or partner on his insurance or taxes

[@Autonomous111]

1st story...she should leave. I've been in a 9 yr relationship. 1 kid no proposal. I plan to end things on our 10 yr Anniversary. Savage, I know. But if you're not going to marry me I might as well be single. N I will definitely be acting single too. He doesn't deserve anymore commitment from me

[@joycejoy4119]

Sprinkle sprinkle

[@manifest2203]

Good for you.

[@hellohey000]

Not savage in the least. Very tolerant of you to wait one more year.

[@seabreeze4559]

slow clap

[@Autonomous111]

@hellohey000 6 months actually.

[@moreni2nd405]

First story: I love her decisiveness too! 23 is young, please center your life around you. Self development, become your best version. Second story: 😮😮😮😮 WTF!!! Third story: 🤮🤮🤮He fucked up your health...he had no consideration for your life literally, but here you are saying "you can't just leave him"...😢💔

[@4blueland]

I think she will leave when he goes away the next time, and she realizes he's probably still cheating. Trust is soooo hard to rebuild

[@lynns4426]

Men who live symptomatic with reckless abandon really frighten me. It's so disturbing how he could hurt her in any way.

[@BurbNBougie]

CHILE!! What is wrong with these ppl

[@tresboujay]

I love the 23 yo walking away. Willing to bet the old man is probably trying to lockdown a nurse wouldn’t surprise me if he has a diagnosis unbeknownst to gf. And I so hate that wife is going through this and also why it’s important to leave the first time cheating or red flags happens. If you can get away unharmed the better but once they know you’ll stay it only gets worse.

[@allegrap1054]

What are women actually getting out of a marriage or children in relation to the risks involved?

[@theblaqkhaleesi9559]

Not a damn thing 😂

[@malindaallen718]

Not much. Mostly trouble.

[@ManagingMyLife82]

Second story: She settled for 30 years and now ready to leave. Disagree with me all day but she should’ve married him and took out three life insurance policies, with his money 😂😂.

[@labelledujour5855]

Story#2, she may have to look in to “Common Marriage Law” depending on what states she resides in, she might be able to get some help.

[@misslola007]

He is already getting what he wants thats why hes not in a rush. I wouldnt suggest any women under 25 to marry at that age nor ever live with a male. If marriage is what you want, go see how he lives first.

[@seabreeze4559]

They literally SAY why buy the cow? Sick.

[@LMc-l7h]

Agree! She has all the expenses of living w a woman, but she probably has an unequal amount of domestic & emotional labor, which wouldn't be AS likely w living alone or w a woman or parents. Plus, as her brain develops she's (con)forming to his emotional mold & all its glitches, not her best, ideal self.

[@LGrian]

If she was living there free and saving up, that be another thing. No woman should pay rent to live with a man, period. I’ve lived with my partner for 4 years (it is my decision we’re not engaged yet-hes been all about it since year 1). He does just as much housework as me, and all my money goes into MY savings. Also, he is a couple years younger than me (same age as that man now), and he was ready to commit 3 years ago That man is not a provider. So glad she’s ditching him

[@brandy4530]

If you are living in your partners home, and your name isn’t on it, then no, you don’t pay him rent. Living with him should benefit you, and paying his mortgage on a house you will never own, will not benefit you. If you are living in his house, then you need to be saving that money you would have spent on rent and invest it to build wealth for yourself. I feel the same way about a man living in a woman’s house. If it is your romantic partner, and your name isn’t on that resource, then you don’t pay for it. He is taking advantage of her, and she gets absolutely nothing out of this relationship, not even marriage. We need to better normalize people not paying rent to their romantic partners. You don’t sleep with your landlord. Good for her for leaving while she is still young.

[@RedNoir]

This is what I tried to tell my friend. I pray she isn’t being used but they just went on a nice trip. She still didn’t come back with a ring. 👀

[@seabreeze4559]

apartment girl is a type of sex worker.... and they don't pay rent so she's sleeping with him AND paying for the privilege

[@LGrian]

@@RedNoirit’s one thing to split rent, but if he owns that home that’s a hell no.

[@tashasc1]

The third story--poor lady. Not only should she get the full gambit of tests to rule out HIV and other diseases, she may want to consider getting her children checked, too. He admitted to cheating on her throughout the whole marriage. She may have had herpes (along with other STIs/STDs) the whole time and unknowingly passed it on to the children in utero or during birth. I hope she gets a good lawyer and possibly file criminal charges against him.

[@seabreeze4559]

reckless endangerment among other things - damage to brain, fertility, reputation

[@Lastdayone]

Lol the home is in HIS name. Girl lol you are contributing towards his mortgage. You are a roommate. Pack your stuff Sis and move in silence. Start saving NOW

[@AndyyWithAY]

23 is too young to get married IMO. My teacher told me 20yrs ago she regretted getting married in her early 20s. This is far more relevant nowadays. But, I very much respect her shiny spine. This guy doesn't seem like he's that into her. He gave her the pre-requs, they're all met and he still has no ring. 5 years and living together before marriage seems like way too much to me, but everyone is different. Story 2 she still sounds incredibly naive with that comment about love and self-actualization. I feel like she is frozen at the same age she was 25 years ago. Never be a SAHGF. She gave this man all the benefits of marriage, FOUR children, and he is doing her like this. It's a fool's errand to be a SAHGF Seems like we need to use protection with our husband's too SMH. I heard recently that medication can make herpes very manageable at least and can make the outbreaks almost nonexistent. Having an affair with a dedicated person is bad enough, but several encounters with random women? Unforgivable. She HAS to get that divorce. If she stays, he'll never respect her.

[@heneverforesakesme4038]

so, my sister did this in her thirties, moved in with a guy, invested money into HIS home and after three years, still no commitment, so she left. He's just using her to upgrade on the home or use her income so that his income can probably help pay off his bills or what have you. No way...she needs to go, focus on herself, travel and regroup, and buy HERSELF a home. He will lead her down the primrose path and if he wanted her, he would have jumped on it, to get the ring and make it official.

[@sissi6013]

they are together for 1.5 years, not 5

[@AndyyWithAY]

@@sissi6013 5 years was in that comment. That is what I am referring to.

[@seabreeze4559]

there is no SAHGF a man just doesn't wanna pay a maid, chef, nanny, etc

[@seabreeze4559]

never invest in a home unless on the deeds FIRST @@heneverforesakesme4038

[@tulip811]

The 23yo is more mature than most women over 25

[@張家豪-f1y]

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[@Legacy_125]

At 23 I was traveling the U.S. and the Caribbean Islands and exploring my options. Marriage and children were so far removed from my mind.

[@lelaperkune1613]

Wow even the second womens kids dont care about her. She still sounds like such a pick me tbh

[@seabreeze4559]

she doesn't respect herself why would the kids?

[@adila2442]

The first story - proud of 23 year old. You lived with guy who benefited from you as a roomate 50/50 bills, you subsidized his mortgage, you left after 1.5 yrs because he dont want marriage...only thing wish you didnt move in until marriage was secured. They got 6 months to a year and it requires a marriage or break up after.

[@wellknown1204]

Right, she already did the move in and 50/50 parts. She should have not move in with him and use her leg up in the relationship to move forward to next step of marriage

[@Lifeishard237]

Why do y’all want to make marriage something you trick guys into though? Behaviors can be a lot different when living apart than together. Sometimes you don’t see a future until you do.

[@adila2442]

@@Lifeishard237 this is not a trick but a standard. You can always ask the difficult question before you live together in marriage. There is higher risk for pregnancy (single moms) and lower chances of marriage for couples who co habitat. A women can get more from leaving a marriage than leaving a boyfriend.

[@lacheregriffin-denton9946]

That last story woo that got me right there! To thank for all that time you have been loyal and faithful to someone and thinking they're being the same to you and then he couldn't even have the decency to use protection with these women and not be bringing diseases home. Just the lack of self-respect but then really just having no respect for her after she's been loyal and loving to you for all those years. You couldn't even respect her enough to use protection. I completely understand why she is upset!

[@fantym1633]

I'd sure vote not guilty, js

[@vanaphill2454]

​@@fantym1633justifiable homicide

[@seabreeze4559]

condoms don't stop that one

[@lacheregriffin-denton9946]

@@seabreeze4559 actually, if you use condoms correctly which most men don't, it can be a preventive measure to prevent herpes from spreading to your partner. Know nothing is 100% guaranteed and the majority of time. Most men don't know how to use condoms correctly, which is why it is still have a chance of getting an infected with various STDs

[@alexavasquez1992]

The young woman in the first story is like me at that age. I never let any man waste my time, got married at 24, still married now at 31. If there was anything i knew back then, despite still having learned a lot since then, it's that men use women, even to get to the woman of their dreams

[@timeless6464]

"He picked me..." LOL 'nuffsaid.

[@kyrabarr2846]

My heart goes out to each of the women featured in these stories. What I have come to learn as I continue to grow as a woman, is that we are not taught how to self preserve. We are taught how to love others, take care of others needs and wants over our own. Rarely are we taught to truly care for ourselves as much as we care for others.

[@nothereyetlost]

Ladies there are BILLIONS more of stories like these or WORSE. BILLIONS. Why these men still have access to women is baffling to men.

[@moniquej369]

Because women are allowing them access

[@paolaree8004]

The update on the 2nd story is why I will NEVER listen to these women who say marriage means nothing, you could still end up a single married mother. NO you could end up wayyyyy worst than that. Who wants to be homeless because you trusted a man with your whole life and he wouldn’t even commit to you???!!!!

[@halsi2020]

i second that. the idea marriage means nothing can only apply to women who have their own assets or savings. if you have none of those, marriage is pretty much the one and only asset you have.

[@paolaree8004]

@@halsi2020 I disagree. If you share children it literally means everything, savings or not. If your baby daddy passes away you get absolutely nothing, the children will have more right over his estate than you. And you’re the one that risked your life and raised his kids.

[@halsi2020]

@@paolaree8004 that is only if you're not married. if you are married, you have the right to divorce him over that (since it's clearly a sign of cheating) plus alimony. not to mention, that vasectomy is reversible which renders it useless. even though the degree of success of the reversal depends on how long ago it was done, how would you be able to know if he had it reversed in secret not too long after the procedure? that's why in the end, it's useless. you just can't control others, especially those who are good at lying and covering up things. still, of course, if you can get him to do both, that would be great. but in the case where you can choose only either one, marriage is definitely the priority over the other one. and the next priority is either getting a monthly allowance from him to put into savings or invest or something, or the right to work and keep all or a large part of the salary to ourselves.

[@ayomidedareabel5525]

​@@paolaree8004she's talking about rich women like Taylor swift and Co. Look at the alimony Kelly Clarkson had to pay for the idiot who cheated on her

[@paolaree8004]

@@ayomidedareabel5525 that’s a very small percentage of people. And I’m strongly for prenups with a cheating clause, especially if you’re coming in with that many assets. Regardless, if you plan on having kids with someone, marriage should be the bare minimum. It’s less of a commitment than a baby.

[@amberinthemist7912]

It brings me so much joy to hear about a young woman with so much wisdom. I hope she listens to her instincts and leaves. And most importantly never goes back to him. Do not wait around for a ring if that'swhat you want. I was married by 21. I let my husband know what I wanted and he delivered. I've been married for 25 years, pretty damn happy and we've built a life together based on principles of personal growth and supporting our bond. I was able to always walk away if needed because I protected myself financially. Keeping the ability to leave keeps men from taking you for granted. I was on my own self supporting since 14. My husband since 17. Some people grow up quicker.

[@enmodelife]

Wow, that last one!...must be true about std stats. Married women have higher rates than single women.

[@lililululalabooboo]

I'm only part way though. 2nd story - that man is a horrible narc and her own adult children won't even give their mother a place to sleep? This honestly makes me angry. I've experienced similar as her only i was married left 10 years sooner. And my kids are not adults. I am near poverty because even with the paper he could afford lawyers forever snd I couldnt. So I caved and took less than what I should. The justice system is very broken. First story I think the girl should leave her bf and get more life experience, not married. Ok I'm going to finish watching now.

[@rcmurphy5986]

So let’s get this straight… she lives with him, sharing at least some bills with him, doing at the very least her share of the housework, etc, and I assume sleeps with him already. But when it comes to getting married she’s all of a sudden too young?? If she’s old enough for all of the above, she’s old enough to get married. The cool thing about her is that she knows that he’s biding his time and is ready to leave. That’s how she should be because tying yourself down to a man who tells you one thing and then does another is a mistake i’ve seen WAY too many women make. She’s given it a year so it’s time to move on. And honestly the only mistake she made was moving in with him. If she does end up marrying him, she should continue to work and save cash for the day he might switch up. And she should not have kids until she worked long enough to build up a reasonable “he’s gone and fucked up” amount, and kids shouldn’t come along for quite some time.

[@Autonomous111]

Well said.

[@seabreeze4559]

"Sorry, since we're too young to marry, I'm too young to give you conjugal rights."

[@rcmurphy5986]

@@seabreeze4559 it’s mighty funny how she’s old enough for some things like booty time, but too young for other things like making a binding commitment to.

[@moniquej369]

They’re basically telling her to enjoy her youth by remaining single for a while. Marriage is a huge commitment that shouldn’t be rushed.

[@Lifeishard237]

Marriage isn’t the same as dating even if you live together. You literally can’t leave at that point. And although she wants marriage if she was really happy then that alone would not be sufficient enough reason to leave after 1.5 years. I think this woman saw a man that could provide for her and she wants to lock him down right away to secure her future. I don’t think she has any emotional connection with this man and just sees their union as a business transaction. That post didn’t mention any redeeming qualities about his character just that he provides… 😅 which if that’s what you want that’s all good but most people want someone compatible to them not just financially stable.

[@antoinette9988]

In the first story she is literally the alt life of the 23yr gf!!! He should be more interested in marriage than her! She knows what she wants and I think the difference is she ain't staying around to figure it out or waiting on him to! As for her changing it will happen and you are always changing! She can make sure she has safely planned for her future ( financial planning and all that) and look for the man she wants.....she is ahead of the game in my opinion!

[@zadarasimoleons1019]

Honestly at this point I think you should never take an XY to counseling. They'll pick up all the words and use them just to manipulate and gaslight you. The man in the second story sat there and listened to the mother of his children talk about how she felt dismissed, ignored, and less-than, and he responded by calling her an emotional blackmailer. Done.

[@AB-qv9ku]

WOW. The way he kicked her out like a damn dog. I really take all these videos to heart and pray i can see the signs before i end up in situations.

[@juribeiro8217]

So sad for story n.2 Never, EVER trust a men. EVER!😢

[@AB-qv9ku]

I feel bad for the 50 something woman. I really do feel bad for what all the generations before women had to endure. Hes a jerk and NO ONE else is going to put up with him. Girl leave. The kids are growing up. Go back to school for the next 4 years and work, save, and invest as hardcore as possible for the next 15 years and pray God takes care of the rest.

[@CherieMonique5]

Hot take on the first story: definitely NTA. I wouldn’t suggest anyone under 25 getting married BUT she knows what she wants and nothing is lonelier than being all in while your partner is still “not sure”. I applaud her for setting this boundary and having that exit plan ready to go. She’s either gonna get married without guilting or otherwise forcing the guy OR she’s gonna move on and focus on herself. Either way, she’s not gonna end up being a resentful long time GF like woman #2. Win win win. There’s so much power in cutting your losses and moving on as soon as you don’t feel appreciated in a relationship. I know that now but I WISH I I knew that when I was 23. This young lady is way ahead of the game.

[@Emptytopfloor]

Story 3: sue his behind

[@virgo_hershey_kisses2990]

Second story. Proof why there’s no value on birthing children. Her children are HORRIBLE, just like their father. Ladies either marry, leave or at the very least when he gives you money, stash it. With her being with him for 25 years, she could’ve stashed at least 100K. Also get a skill, even if you don’t use it. Get it.

[@LGrian]

This is why I stopped dating men more than 2 years older. There is a reason the most immature and uninterested in commitment “just happen” to end up with a younger woman. Yeah it’s only 4 years different, but developmentally I was a whole other person between 23 and 27. Now I’m almost 28 and no chance I’d date under 25, but I won’t date these guys 4+ years older either. There’s a reason they cant snag women their own age, or refuse to commit to them.

[@827honey1]

That 23 year old better leave while she is childless and young. If she met all the requirements that he laid out and he still hasn't proposed that tells her all she needs to know and it is time to go. That 25 year girlfriend was so naive and now she is stuck with no good options. I hope she finds a job. That poor wife. I hope she cleans him out in the divorce.

[@Dnvrluv01]

I know she had to have someone telling her that what she was doing wasn't smart. I hope if nothing else, this is a cautionary tale for others 😢

[@RaspberryRetrograde]

Living together for 5 years before getting married? Whoever said that was tripping tripping. I would never allow myself to get so intertwined with someone i am not legally bound to.

[@ManagingMyLife82]

First story: Leave now. He’s already started lying to her to keep her around. He gave a list of things to wait on but she’s still waiting. She’s going to wake up ten years later with three kids and not married. I don’t think she’s too young to get married, she just shouldn’t wait on him.

[@NottyAries]

It is indeed possible to get married young and stay happily together - but EXTREMELY rare. The only TWO people I know that got married early and are still together and truthfully happy have one thing in common. BOTH, the man and woman were ready and really, really, wanted to get married now, not later. Relationships where the man or woman wasn't really ready to get married but did it because the other required it. Those that got married to get out of their parent's home, and those that got married due to pregnancy, are all divorced now.

[@lavonnewr]

S2, he should be so ashamed.

[@user-dq9rr9mv3f]

I fully agree to not allowing any man to waste ur time.. I did the same thing when I was dating my now husband (23 yrs ago). If he hadn’t proposed when he did I was planning to break up by the end of that yr.. My closest cousins knew the plan, I don’t know if they dropped him a hint.. But I was serious AF… We met when I was 22, engaged by 25… Personally I think that was too long to wait..

[@wellknown1204]

Good for you! When you know you want marriage and kids, get that intentions out and do not let somebody dusty sons waste your time and your youth waiting for him😅

[@user-dq9rr9mv3f]

Ohhhh and the guy I was dealing with before him didn’t even want to be in a relationship, he was fully on board with stringing me along.. Never wait around for them to be ready…

[@oooreginasaid]

That young woman knows and understands what she wants. She realizes that she would be wasting her time. If she stays then and if he still hasn't so much as proposed now she's older and still not married. She didn't say she wanted to get married right away. As a 51 year old, I believe that not only is her stance the correct one but it is a smart one. She clearly stated what she wanted and she has patiently waited for a few months and she saying she deserves better than a "pity ring" or a "shut-up ring". A man that wants to marry you will. If he hemming and hawing that means that man does not want to marry her. It's okay to feel like she's wasting her time and any time after she leaves and then he immediately tries to propose. She will know that it's a desperation ring from him and not one that he actually wants to give. Heck she's even waiting for a few months. That gives him plenty of time to buy a ring and properly propose.

[@chronicfatiguehermithiker3022]

Men are known to not choose someone for wife but string them along for years until he finds the one that he wants to marry. 23 might be young to marry, but that youth should not be spent being used up by any man; it should be used doing things that might be hard to do after marriage. Men age women so as soon as it’s seen that he’s not the one, move on, marriage is the time to stick it out so vet, background check and trust the red flags. If there are no good options, singleness is better than badly married.

[@theblaqkhaleesi9559]

That second guy sounds like every toxic C-suite AH I've ever known

[@somebodycomelistentothispo7217]

I was with my husband at 15 married at 23 and am now 40. It is too young. Women should wait until at least 30. My religious views,thoughts,diets and opinions changed every 5-10 years. I’m definitely not the same person he met but he is almost EXACTLY the same and that is a PROBLEM for most marriages. Most men don’t adapt,evolve or grow like women do and this is what usually causes divorce

[@brandy4530]

That second woman is absolutely going to be on the street. She found a man who is a sociopath, and hated her. An “executive gf” is not a thing. It is very hard for me to understand what she was thinking for 30 years. The idea that she can love someone with all she has, and they are guaranteed to love you back at some point is beyond delusional. This is what he had planned to do to her all along. He was waiting for the kids to grow up, so he wouldn’t have to pay her a dime. Even the kids are afraid of upsetting him. Is there even an unemployment office? I guarantee that psycho isn’t done with her. He will get married to his nurse just to rub it in her face, with a hefty prenup of course.

[@carlahaiduk1878]

I totally agree with you. He'll be married in six months to spite her.

[@vanaphill2454]

​@carlahaiduk1878 because he can. She was the placeholder for 25 years.

[@thekennys8000]

Are there no common-law laws in the US? I assume she's an American for some reason... in Canada she'd walk away with half his assets and half his pension. I would have married him and then divorced him to take half his stuff.

[@manifest2203]

@@thekennys8000yes that’s what I thought too. Even now she is way too emotional. She should have simply married him and exited with the money. She isn’t thinking clearly at all. She is starting for a job when she is about to reach retirement age.

[@manifest2203]

Yes. He will definitely marry someone way younger to hurt her. And this older lady will be in the streets. I am guessing he blackmailed the kids with money- no college fees, no inheritance or something if they help their mother. Plus he must have brought them up to utterly disrespect her as much as he does.

[@bcottony]

#3 I'm seeing a common denominator with these abusive ♂️. It seems to me the more they plan on doing, the harder they intend to make it for these women to leave

[@Rogue-bt4wp]

Omg, the update on the woman who got thrown out of her home. I cried I cannot believe that her own children wouldn't help her because "we can't anger dad" like wtf??? They would rather watch the woman who brought them up and gave up her life and youth be out in the streets, then to help her or say something to the pos who is being abusive to their mother. I am at a loss. I cannot believe he would take it this far. I hope that Karma is a real thing and that it comes to bite him and those shitty kids right where the sun don't shine.

[@timeless6464]

I am not surprised. Sad though.

[@acfmisc]

“Decenter men” is always good advice, but in the case of the wife who contracted the STI, I don’t think there’s really a moral of the story. Sure it’s cringey that she thought she had a unicorn, but it sounded like she was fully aware that a lot of men suck. Even if she hadn’t thought she had a unicorn, it wouldn’t have changed the outcome necessarily. Unless I’m missing something in the thread, there were no red flags that she missed. Sometimes we can do everything mostly right and men will still ruin our lives. I hope she finds peace and can manage her illness going forward.

[@BurbNBougie]

Nah. He sucked all around. I just wanted to talk about decentering in general.

[@LoremLipsumz]

Good on the first woman for knowing what she wants and not waiting on a man’s timetable. I think the problem is she wants a husband and it doesn’t really matter who he is, recipe for disaster. Second story update was sadly predictable. I still don’t know why she didn’t go to school/start working - even charity work is experience- once her youngest was in school full time. She was playing the pampered housewife while secretly seething over his refusal to legitimize their relationship. She could get a job as a live in caregiver since that’s what she has the most experience with. If she doesn’t have to pay rent she could start socking away her income into an investment fund. Her 15 yr old daughter is going to stay with dad because he’s got the money and she is used to the life she’s lived. It’s sad but she can’t really put the blame on him. She chose to stay with a real asshole and have 4(!!) children with him. Women like her sadly don’t end well unless she finds another man and marries him. He on the other hand will find another woman pretty quickly and will propose immediately. I hope she at least sold that stupid ring and didn’t give it back. Last woman is feeling shame because she probably was judging other women’s choices and I bet there were red flags she ignored, there always are. I hope she takes him to the cleaners in the divorce, starts therapy and finds love again. There’s a whole community of people in her same boat so she could find a partner if she wants to .

[@fantym1633]

I hope the 3d woman gets the full panel of tests - most STDs in woman show few signs/symptoms until far too late.

[@yougotgamesonyourphone6947]

When she said she secretly said “that could never be me” that’s where she messed up. People never think it could be them, until it is.

[@acfmisc]

@@yougotgamesonyourphone6947 absolutely

[@LAmourDeViva]

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[@nameunknown1519]

1st story NTA. She should absolutely leave but not necessarily because of him. She should stay by herself and learn to live single for a bit. With her mindset at 23 she could really go a lot of places and thrive by herself that most relationships would just hold her back from.

[@MoE_judymartinez]

i cried so so much at the last story you wouldve thought it happened to me 😢 edit: can herpes be passed on the kids too in anyways?? this is so scary

[@fantym1633]

Saliva from a partner with an oral herpes infection; Genital fluids from a partner with a genital herpes infection; Skin in the oral area of a partner with oral herpes; or. Skin in the genital area of a partner with genital herpes.

[@MoE_judymartinez]

@@fantym1633 thank you

[@Virgoflower-h2w]

2nd lady aint nothing out here. You just have to be prepared to stay alone bc you never know. WE TREAT THEM BETTER ALWAYS THAN THEY TREAT US. LEAVE HIM WITH THOSE CHILDREN

[@saragirma6577]

Thanks!

[@JudeEzekiel]

DRETIKOCURE on KZbin thought me that is all about patients and the right person, May God continue to bless You sir for the permanent HPV cure I received after taking your herbs!.

[@tadams827]

NTA Smart girl. Go for what you want❣️ Do not settle.

[@parklady4233]

25 year girlfriend man is a NARCISSIST. She hurt his ego. He is done with her.

[@lizzyp174]

I think the 23 year old in the first story moved way too fast to begin with at a very young age. She's not the AH and I'm glad she's decided to leave the relationship

[@katherines144]

We all make mistakes in our youth. The fact that she isn't trapped is the the clencher

[@tashibalampkin8555]

For the first story, I'm proud of the 23 year old woman. She knows what she wants and she's see she's not getting it so its on to the next.

[@Reina-yz5wq]

I think the young woman in the first story is correct to leave. She may be young, but sounds like she knows exactly what she wants. We have to remember that not everyone wants to wait to have kids at 30-something or 40. Some people are also able to find a husband that they grow with. Perhaps, she wants to raise kids young while she has the energy to really run around with them since the complaint with some older parents is how tired they are. Remember that not that long ago having children after 30 was considered old? Some women still have that viewpoint. I think that since the trend has been to have children later in life, EVERYONE thinks that's how it should be done now. Her bf has her in a 50/50 relationship in his house. I know from experience that this is a roommate situation so he can pay his bills. Statistics show that the longer a couple lives together the smaller the chances of getting married! Women should stop cohabitating before marriage. She is right to leave now before she is trapped in the 50/50 rabbit hole. She will find a better partner who is on the same page. Women who want families should not wait in my opinion. I actually know quite a few couples who married young and had children and are happy. Now that they are in their late 40's they can relax and enjoy their time together. They travel and can do more things because their children are over 18. I think that's the life she prefers for herself. Good for her to be so decisive!

[@that_dam_baka]

This. It seems like a bunch of women making excuses for him. If he doesn't step up, it's time for her to step down. If he doesn't know what he wants, she should find someone who does.

[@unicorn73212]

This is exactly why I moved out of my ex's apartment and into a hotel he left me in debt and pushed me to go live in a hotel but it didn't matter once they realize your not going to baby spoon feed them anymore they get really pissed off too don't let men fool you when they tell your they don't chase women over the age of 35 either they chase older women more then you think because they know were more independent and unwilling to tolerate there BS. That's why I hate it when they target the younger women because i know what there up to and I had to distance myself from men for my own personal safety and sanity.

[@seabreeze4559]

exactly, never cohabit

[@LGrian]

Over 30 being “old” is not a healthy view point and is steeped in misogyny. Fertility concerns statistically aren’t even relevant until late 30s. Basically anyone who has problems at 30, likely would’ve had problems at 23 too. I’m not saying if someone really wants kids in their early 20s that theyre always wrong for that, but the idea that it’s better is absolutely tied to locking down and controlling women from an early age, before they have the confidence and wealth to control their own life.

[@LGrian]

If you don’t have the “energy to run around” with kids in your 30s-40s, I’m sorry but you have not taken care of your health. My parents were in their late 30s when they had me and I never noticed any age or energy difference between them and my friends younger parents. If anything, my parents were just way more emotionally regulated

[@vanaphill2454]

If he was depressed he should have sought therapy, not cheat on his wife.

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

Exactly💯. But they expect women to be faithful and take they Dirty🍆 back😒😑

[@moniquej369]

He wasn’t depressed that was just a tactic to make her feel sorry for him. The sad part is, after everything he did he’s still thinking of himself.

[@Shannon-gr7rm]

​@@moniquej369💯

[@heneverforesakesme4038]

I am 53 and when it comes to the first story, I AM SO TIRED of this "waiting game" I have witnessed with these XY's all my life. It's a false persona of just give them space and they will come around. NO, time is precious. She's 23. Let her go live her best life, travel, buy HERSELF a home and keep it moving. She's a placeholder, if he was serious, it would be moving right along, and it has gone stagnant. I don't feel like this is the entire story and she has probably invested money into his home or done things or asked to do things to seal the deal and she is like: NO. I can almost bet you, once she leaves, he WILL NOT find out what went wrong, or try to fix it or anything like that, she has been telling him and he will grow quiet and probably have a hook up in his bedroom the following weekend.

[@Liz-wz8dh]

She was right to set a limit with him since it had been discussed and all, for sure. But 23 is still way too young to be giving ultimatims about marriage.

[@heneverforesakesme4038]

@@Liz-wz8dh in all, she shouldn't be giving wifey duties at girlfriend prices. She was led to believe that he would keep his end of the bargain. He isn't. Time to go.

[@hellohey000]

​@@Liz-wz8dh she didn't give an ultimatum. She is just revising plans accordingly.

[@fahimaih]

The third story was just heartwrenching 😫 IMAGINEEEE

[@daniellemitchell3118]

Yes, Queen! It does my GenExer heart proud when I see the Zoomer generation learning from the mistakes of their foremothers. They won't be wasting their time on centering men who don't make them a priority. They will be living their best lives . Brava!

[@Oddishhly]

Never give anybody husband treatment if they haven't made you a wife.

[@shaypope4732]

Just sad how she was married he was single just hitting everything raw now he done gave her somanella smdh, he can't just kick her out after 30yrs even if you aren't married and u give someone 10yrs of ur life you get half regardless she better find some military friends and have them bring her to jag since she gave him 3 decades... If marriage is what the 23yr old wanted then good luck but do it with someone who doesn't need ur half for rent i got married younger so I don't advise it but to each it's own

[@DJRenee]

20:14 no regard for her life at all

[@ellaarkin70]

S1: she is standing on business.

[@parklady4233]

Before my Narcissist husband made me leave. He quit his job. And, told me he never intended to work at a real job again. I haven’t worked in 15 years due to illness and motherhood. Hahahahahaha . I am screwed and so is the 25 year girlfriend. 😭😤🤯😱

[@islandgirl8067]

The 1st lady has a good head on her shoulders at a young age. She knows what she wants but I would advise her to travel, advance in her career & experience more of life before marriage & kids. I feel bad for the 2nd lady. It funny how her adult kids are more worried about staying in their father’s good graces than helping her. The last lady may have grounds for a lawsuit or to press charges against her husband if he knowingly infected her. This is why you shouldn’t get too comfortable thinking you have a unicorn & are so much better of than your single friends.

[@nothereyetlost]

Wow I!!! A 23yo with a 57yo 😢😢😢😢 AND doing 50/50. God help us. There is no limit to the predatorial behavior

[@rudejunk]

The man in story #2 might actually be a demon

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

Yup!👹🤛🏾💯

[@Garden_Queen]

No one I chose in my 20s or really wanted would work for me now.

[@user-ly3li3ex8c]

Anyone who is trying to tell the first woman to chill because of her age are just fed the lie that she will have the same opportunity at 25 or 30. She knows what she wants and that guy is almost 30, he knows what he wants and if he wants her he'll take the further steps to marry her. A smart woman who wants many kids will marry younger not chance it at an older age waiting around.

[@JudeEzekiel]

DRETIKOCURE on KZbin thought me that is all about patients and the right person, May God continue to bless You sir for the permanent HPV cure I received after taking your herbs.

[@parklady4233]

If you cannot trust your partner, what is the point of being in a relationship? Asking for a friend.

[@BurbNBougie]

You giving someone blind trust? I want you to answer that for yourself.

[@leyashnoscar7627]

The last story, she thought she was better than her single and divorced friends. I bet she was one of those, "my man, my man, my man", women. She should tell her friends, but this time they'll be the ones saying, "that could never be me".