Nice video! I'd actually stay away from saturation, amps and filters on the sub itself, as it often kills the fundamental and/or introduces unwanted offsets and phase shifts. Better to get your harmonics at oscillator level if you can, and Serum is perfect for it since you can get all the harmonics you need into one perfect osc cycle, giving it more predictable phase and easier for any physical speaker to play. Better to add presence on a separate sub layer with distortion etc. that's highpassed as the last step and mixed in gently to complement the sub. You should also be aware that the MG filter in Serum introduces DC offset as part of its sweet, sweet sound, so you actually kill 2-4db of headroom by using it rather than the normal filter. I recommend using the Filtered Saw wavetable that comes stock with Serum in Osc 2 instead if you wanna add harmonics. Try watching your waveform through scopes like Vengeance or Melda (both free) switching filters and you'll see the difference is pretty severe. Some advanced tricks in Serum I wanna throw it out here in case it helps anyone (assuming you know Serum basics) : First understand the principle of using bins to create your own oscillator waveforms. Create a primary sub sine using bins, a secondary an octave above, adjust volume to taste, and a third going either a major 3rd over, or a perfect 5th. This is going to be the deep sub that goes down to C1, so play C1 notes and adjust the upper partials/harmonics so they're audible on smaller systems. Now, make another window in the wavetable editor, and make the same combination of bins - only this time play bright C2 notes and adjust the upper partials to not give that intrusive bright sub feel. Now select both and edit - morph spectral to get a smooth transition between them. You can now adjust the amount of harmonics in your osc (and it's cycle perfect, so no worrying about different oscillators going in and out of phase) using the WT Position knob, having perfect sub from one oscillator. Now assign the keytracking modulation (lower right corner by velocity) to the WT Position (you might have to tweak the curve) and your sub harmonics is now getting lowered as you play higher notes! This way you can go as deep as C1 and still be audible on smaller systems, and you can control that feeling of sitting inside a vacuum when the pitch goes higher. I prefer to assign the keytracking to the Osc volume as well, so the volume lowers a little when the moves go up. Again, tweak the keytracking curve so you don't lose any power around your fundamental key. If you want to take it even further, you can actually make a third wavetable with a C0 on it that keytracks in, so you start filling in the lower end when you play higher notes. The principle is like a Shepard tone, like a spiral for sound. Or you can AM (amplitude modulation) a C2 with a C1 to fake the movement of C1, getting a slight C1 feel. SORRY FOR WALL OF TEXT FOLKS
@sheeepman5 жыл бұрын
thanks so much for this, maybe you could do a tutorial?
@benbraceletspurple91085 жыл бұрын
Very helpful thanks.
@fernandojaviermanqueo58905 жыл бұрын
A tutorial would be great 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@ArlyExperience3 жыл бұрын
I did not find the wavetable "filtered saw" or you mean a saw
@axelnussbaumer3 жыл бұрын
Dude, that is dope. People would kill for a video of this.
@garrett62406 жыл бұрын
The buzzy saw/sine sound you made in the saturation section was because when you add non-factory waveforms into Serum, for whatever reason a lot of times it chops off a little part of the first cycle, giving that cycle a buzzy sound every time it happens , hence only the first cycle having that buzz, then smoothing out in the second cycle.
@theorrymusic4 жыл бұрын
I mean you could sidechain...
@0626love4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but you cut the sub at that place and if the cut is sharp, the sub is ruined, and if it isn't sharp you wait for the sub til next morning
@junioresnc4 жыл бұрын
sidechain is gonna be done anyways but if you don't decide what is important in the mix it is not going to work..
@showmethem5ney4 жыл бұрын
@@junioresnc What is Sidechain?
@bluefire91134 жыл бұрын
@@showmethem5ney a sound's volume ducks down when a vocal or drum is played on top of it
@liamobrien60443 жыл бұрын
what about sidechaining a certain frequency range with an eq?
@ZIMOBASSMUSIC5 жыл бұрын
Make sure to pull down the random knob on the OSC so that the phase starts at the beginning of each midi notes. In this instance, the re-sampled wavetable phase was offset.
@NinjaDeathTeddy6 жыл бұрын
Simple and effective, I like it. I think if I was going down to some of those lower 'no-go' sub frequencies for a while, I would automate those higher harmonics to be a bit louder so that even though the full punch of the sub wouldn't be there, the progression would still be audible. In music the brain fills in the gaps surprisingly often.
@SamSilk5 жыл бұрын
This is some twisted dark magic, the whole distortion thing is very well known but the way you resample the waveform in serum is some serious shit!
@shivanshseth53346 жыл бұрын
Please be Echo......hell yeah
@chillpanic6 жыл бұрын
STG Music I was thinking the same thing 😂 😂 😂
@sirloin72414 жыл бұрын
Always first thought after clicking on ADSR videos...
@allcapsbeats4 жыл бұрын
You're a great teacher man. Very informative.
@DJRAFIK6 жыл бұрын
learned something from this, but since in the context it's important: the note at 5:14 is not F# but A#. Quite high and more easily audible even without harmonics. Great video anyways
@user-vx5of2mh8e4 жыл бұрын
With the notes, with the sub notes you saved me. Thank you, oh really thank you
@EliteMusicSM6 жыл бұрын
ADSR the best. From Guatemala
@JoeDillingham6 жыл бұрын
"Emotionality" is a perfectly cromulent word. Keep on using it.
@JoeDillingham6 жыл бұрын
Also! is that Serum skin available for DL somewhere? The light mod section makes it a bit easier to read. Thanks!
@danielkisel56616 жыл бұрын
Hate spring reverbs ? Try Softube one. Pan first one 100% left and other one with slightly different settings 100% to the right and you will have just great atmosphere...
@Hexspa6 жыл бұрын
Oh ya I forgot to mention this. Spring reverbs are the shit! Guitar Rig has some sweet ones. They're great for snares when the arrangement leaves space for them to ring. They don't all 'boing' either. Very versatile sound which shouldn't be overlooked; especially if you want to lofi something.
@rufian26305 жыл бұрын
Softube shit is soo good!
@nathanelias-kocivar16564 жыл бұрын
I cringed when he said he didn't like spring reverb. Can't give away all the secrets I guess. Or maybe he was just talking about on sub bass specifically.
@brianjohnson98024 жыл бұрын
I assume you produced the beat that starts at 9:21 ? The subs sound super clean and professional as hell. Do you have any vids showing your workflow from start to finish? That mix sounds really nice and it would be extremely helpful to get to see your process.
@cowbless4 жыл бұрын
That's really sad to hear, that there isnt even a whole octave to work with. I suppose it's not the end of the world if you push it a bit on the high side though.. I did notice its hard to work with subs when I'm in C. Now I know why, thanks
@Keroser19833 жыл бұрын
Thank you man, simple and to the point. I am totally amateur trance producer, actually not even close to the commercial standards but I strongly think that SUB can push to 80ish Hz. At least that is how I treat it. Other than that it is crystal clear. All the best. Thank you.
@buckyflex13 жыл бұрын
Extremely informative. Essential information no matter what daw software you're running
@dayzrustream4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing out that sub bass key thing. If anyone would tell me this couple years ago, I would not believe it. But all my mobile dj experience is telling that it's pretty much true.
@dreamsmadeflesh1 Жыл бұрын
The key doesn't matter as much so long as you're conscious about what you're doing. Want a low C in that octave? Make sure you got harmonics in that wave. Want to go higher? Then your kick will fill the sub bass and you can EQ some of the bass frequencies differently. No rules, mixing is an art.
@coldprojectofficial6 жыл бұрын
I don't usually comment on vids but nice one. You explained something that has been plaguing me for a while when i write a specific genre. Thanks dude.
@mgmthegrand3 жыл бұрын
Tip 4. Add stereo widening to the higher frequencies of the sound.
@calvinthomas25562 жыл бұрын
Great video, up to you saying "I hate spring reverbs" lol.
@trentmiller61235 жыл бұрын
Please do Tips for a Perfect Sidechain!! I waste so much time A/B’ing various SC Comps against LFO Tool just trying to find the best settings on every track I do. So inefficient and there has to be an easier way to quickly dial in settings to get the bass out of the way of the kick, and do it transparently!
@eyeiaye4 жыл бұрын
A quick sidechain tip (as a tool for your kick to cut through, not really as a heavy pumping effect) is to find the length of your kick sample in ms (most software will let you find this) and set your sidechain release to the length of the kick. Set the attack to 0 ms and turn the ratio all the way up. Then, adjust the threshold to your liking. Basically this allows you to duck whatever is being sidechained for the exact length of the kick sample to the exact volume you want it to lower to
@juliang36276 жыл бұрын
Always put reverb on ur sub
@LuizFernando-ff4ip5 жыл бұрын
lol
@CrimewavBeats5 жыл бұрын
Sike lol
@markomarko92545 жыл бұрын
And Delay :)
@mrrafsk Жыл бұрын
The natural harmonics are 2nd at one octave & 3rd at 1+5th of an octave. Adding saturation is a dirty way of doing this, but lacks control. If you remove the fundamental 1st harmonic you get the psycho-acoustic illusion on bass, i.e. bass on laptop speakers. Watch the philosophy of bass video on KZbin
@collint7375 Жыл бұрын
My first time seeing your vids, great job!
@jamalalsenady31444 жыл бұрын
Super helpful tips with the sub frequencies, thanks man!
@michaelhausted5 жыл бұрын
Hi bro ! First, thanks for this tutorial. Second. I’ve actually struggled a lot with this subject. A lot of times I have Made a clean sub, and layer a bass on top of it to make it audioable on phones etc but I’m afraid it Can get messy layering the lowend. So - maybe this is a better Way. Would you always go for saturating the sub instead of layering it with a bass?
@biancobeats35795 жыл бұрын
Ur tutorials are great, but your HAIR is much greater!
@cyntelsince.88866 жыл бұрын
that chekky little resample to oscilator B was the business my g. good trick
@skygazer36962 жыл бұрын
Hey bro, Thanks for the tutorial.. Very well explained.. Worth it!
@Jonoroxat5 жыл бұрын
although testing that the range from G1 range for ableton is in the 90hz range not deep enough
@ayMillmusic3 жыл бұрын
Your voice is so mesmerizing
@Paradroidx5 жыл бұрын
do one on psytrance bass, tricky asf
@Hexspa6 жыл бұрын
Nice. Want to add: you can definitely go outside this sub range. I know you mentioned this but Team Sleep's "Foreign Flag" is a perfect example. I think the song is in E but they hit a fat B0 during the chorus. I think B0 is about as low as you want to go but I'll agree you probably don't want to use that as a Big Room drone.
@jojomarino7327 Жыл бұрын
I agree, if the next harmonic above the fundamental is as loud as the fundamental you can still filter everything below 30 hz and it still sounds massive. A square saw combo is my favourite waveform combo when making stuff in D for example. I agree though that when using that range, especially the higher notes, it's easier to make basslines that translate on small speakers.
@bigeffingidiot68284 жыл бұрын
thank you for the tutorial. very helpful. i recently spilled some orange juice in my kitchen and i was wondering if i could use the broom on your head to clean it up.
@marcobee113 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this video helped me out 😊
@georgeg.68416 жыл бұрын
Dont these upper harmonics muddy up other areas of the mix? I typically have two separate instruments for sub and bass. I tend to leave just a little bit of crossover frequencies around 90hz. Typically for me, above 100hz is just the bass instrument and below 70 is just the sub. I m concerned that if the sub instrument occupies frequencies above 100hz, its gonna start interfering with my bass and muddy up that area.
@Adsrsounds6 жыл бұрын
Hey George! Yeah that can be a concern or issue, you shouldn't saturate to a point where the sound doesn't seem like sub. You know you've gone way too far if you hear a hardstyle sub hah. But the harmonics added via the saturation will usually be a little higher than just 90-100hz. I guess some people refer to this as a "exciter". Think of it kind of like a kick tick. With FF Saturn for instance, I can make a quick bit of saturation that only occurs on my attack phase of the sub bass and then tails off during the sustain. I can also pick which frequencies to apply the saturation to. That way the frequencies don't interfere with other basses like top basses. But in a song that doesn't use a top bass, like a hop hop track where it's just sub/808 and a kick, saturation can be really helpful in getting the sub to sit right in the mix.
@avulsion35436 жыл бұрын
They totally do.
@georgeg.68416 жыл бұрын
ADSR Music Production Tutorials I see, maybe just some saturation is fine then :3 . Thanks for the reply!
@Implantedsoul6 жыл бұрын
george g. Щщщщщщ
@DeefexNYC6 жыл бұрын
I think that's where an EQ would come in hamdy
@feyzorecords19132 жыл бұрын
Great video
@dannyd12246 жыл бұрын
wow I didnt know you could resample post effects! thats cool!
@Hexspa6 жыл бұрын
Serum looks so sick. I can't wait to try it. I'm still back in 2007 :(
@anotherguy35546 жыл бұрын
still Massive ?
@bourianboubbov99376 жыл бұрын
Great work dude!
@ZajaOfficial5 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Thanks!
@felipepina94854 жыл бұрын
Really helpful! Thank a lot !
@ivanlara67904 жыл бұрын
very useful , thanks!
@benbraceletspurple91085 жыл бұрын
Sub bass with kicks is pretty even in Trap, especially like mambo from tropkillaz. BAM OOOOO vs. Like Alone Marshmallow which is baOOOOOM baOOOOOOOOOM. or like Arby's Burial BAM oooom BAoom , BAoom BAMbooom. But again, some of the best are even kicks with subs (bam is kick boom or ooo is sub bass wuuuuuh). Like for example Monxx Paradise and some other stuff; BAM BOOOOM BAOOOM BAOOOM BAOM BAOM BAOM BAOM BAOM BAOM BOOM, BAOOOOOOM BAOOOOOM BAOOOOM ETC.. or another dubstep, Louder from flux pavilion. Just thought I'd say this.
@bourianboubbov99376 жыл бұрын
Simple, to the point
@Frobbl6 жыл бұрын
I am working on a song in c# but the subbass has a lot of power at around 65hz and it seems to work pretty well so I don't know about that chart you provided on which notes work in sub frequencies and which ones don't.
@TheRickysee6 жыл бұрын
Will start used "saucy" as a descriptive word also.....😂 But seriously nice quick tip vid....as usual you always get it right
@nathanbryers2 жыл бұрын
Check out MR bills tutorial on subs with the oscilloscope 👍🏼
@TheArtinium6 жыл бұрын
In what frequency range and on what octaves is the sub-bass??? (EDM) (20-150 Hz)
@TheMrbombastic85 жыл бұрын
usually the frequency for low ends on EDM are 30 - 160 hz, the lowest key you might play is a E minor
@sidude87955 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thanks...
@h4rdedge1056 жыл бұрын
Maaaan, thanks for your videos :) i really improved a lot
@dennismiller42505 жыл бұрын
alan walker faded is in f# major
@buckyflex13 жыл бұрын
My subwoofer box is tuned to 32hz I would say the scale is more like between 30 and 60 30 and 70hz & below that's what my high pass cut off is set at on my crossover
@youngtoeter32905 жыл бұрын
The song 'Take u there' by Jack u is in C .
@TheRickysee6 жыл бұрын
I'm considering emotionality a word. From here on
@Hexspa6 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotionality
@elaniamusicofficial5 жыл бұрын
very useful! thanks a lot for this video :)
@Martin-vj7zx6 жыл бұрын
really really good Video. this is what i am looking for. understanding it. what is the name of the spectrum you use?
@anand10ful5 жыл бұрын
great one
@jhdrummer48152 жыл бұрын
I would believe the optimal frequency range for sub bass as you described, but I find lot of tracks lately on EDM that go down to C0, for example check out SHM Heaven takes you home. So I’m questioning, is really that bad too go lover then E?
@ALLiTiZ5 жыл бұрын
Damn that worked! Thank you!
@MattShockley3 жыл бұрын
Do you think there should only be one instance of sub bass plugin used in a song? Or can it be used more than once? Should it only be used on kick or bass or what about master buss? What do you think they are doing on post Malone “circles” ? Only on kick or drum bus?
@MattVrbeta6 жыл бұрын
With adding those extra harmonics aren't you gonna be cutting those frequencies out anyhow to make room for the kick? What is this talk about a "mid sub" Could you elaborate on that as well.
@1080778546 жыл бұрын
On serum with just a init sine g1 is one octave up at 98 hz but with nexus g1 is 49hz. So serum is off by 1 octave up by default? i have to shift down 1 octave to get 49hz in serum which in the piano roll is G0
@MrLbcKid5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same shit. I even checked. no way its g1
@ravenwav6 жыл бұрын
Helpful video! What are you using to record your voice, the screen and the computer audio?
@curtwaters65695 жыл бұрын
Nice upload
@macrondo58526 жыл бұрын
You know what they say, only tracks in G# make hits. Duh.
@KrishnenduHari3 жыл бұрын
My sub bass creates a lot pressure to the ear. I want to reduce the pressure. How can I reduce the hardness?
@culkingsed5 жыл бұрын
Is that the sound effect from "Pony" by Ginuwine in the outro song? 9:31
@Jupiterson3 жыл бұрын
I would separate these into two layers.. one for low and one for high, then glue them together. Just a thought.. good tutorial though.
@BrooseWayniac6 жыл бұрын
but what does saturation give me for a real subbass that is highcutted at 70 to 80hz... do i still got advantages of a distortion?
@harijariwala74724 жыл бұрын
this is magic!!!
@Adsrsounds4 жыл бұрын
😎
@re-birth88656 жыл бұрын
if u are doing this does it alter the original sin wave that is the sub frequency? i heard a woofer can struggle moving sub frequencys that are not a sin
@jacklyons6063 Жыл бұрын
If say you track was in f minor and you bass was hitting the note f would it be OK to have your sub underneath hitting the note g
@ifthebeltiscrackedor5 жыл бұрын
THX!!!!!!!
@trevorkeller15594 жыл бұрын
If ur saving u cant go lower then 40 hz to get a good sound How do they munipulate the sub to have a deeper/almost lower octave with the same animation of a melody with out changing the over all tone Are they running multiple midi tracks changeing the eq and saturation of the octave as the track progresses or am i missing something
@benjaminfrolich36614 жыл бұрын
In EDM is the kick the important thing .. or the sub ?
@gurindersingh79332 жыл бұрын
how to remove initial click sound from sub bass
@SuperTWIY3 жыл бұрын
So whats the problem if my "sub" bass is above 62 hz?
@deadlinkofficialartst5592 Жыл бұрын
i do D# Note
@Meow-ew3pm6 жыл бұрын
whats the name of the outro song?
@daemoniumvenator41554 жыл бұрын
Mood... is the word your looking for
@NickGveles6 жыл бұрын
Well that makes sense :)) thx
@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG3 жыл бұрын
Sub Bass = 32Hz highest. So low enough to not tell what the note is but to feel a rumble and hear a noise
@amenist3 жыл бұрын
6:18 pirates of the carribean lmao
@steviemightdoit2 жыл бұрын
thank you chris from prank invasion
@kaim3ra174 жыл бұрын
i dont get it, so are we never supposed to make songs in the other keys in red? don't all songs require a sub? or no
@drumboy9404 жыл бұрын
If you go too high it's gonna sound boomy and if you go too low it does not blend well. And no I don't think it's mandatory but it enhances a lot the main bass. Actually there are two kinds of subs: the subtle one layered with another bass and the main sub that is the bass of the song.
@Heinrich2awsome3 жыл бұрын
Is d sharp/ e flat still good?
@kasoy5 жыл бұрын
whats the beat at the end ?
@scalop38385 жыл бұрын
when i bounce the sub in audio file , it gives quick mid range attack sound on starting of each note although i have cut all mid & high freq. how to fix this?
@harrysouter23044 жыл бұрын
just swell in the sub a bit on the audio clip
@harrysouter23044 жыл бұрын
you probably won’t want an attack on the sub to give the kick space anyway
@fatcabin5 жыл бұрын
hey
@vand3st202 жыл бұрын
Tips 2 in French plz
@saledellaterra5 жыл бұрын
Can I blend a true bass-guitar sound and a sub bass? 🤔
So if my fundamental is a D I'm pretty much screwed?
@TheSadMusician5 жыл бұрын
No the bass still good Sounds pretty weird but as long as it sounds good for you don't worry about it :3
@theorrymusic4 жыл бұрын
Always have your sub in the same key of your track. It sounds off putting to other producers trained ears and regular listeners
@nisheshthapa15 жыл бұрын
link of app
@nathanwasnthere5 жыл бұрын
sidechain
@nicolaypimentalima72324 жыл бұрын
Can you recreate a bass like the one in Ella Mai - Breakfast in bed?
@cortnysellers6 жыл бұрын
I'd say B0 is as low as you can go
@JoeyAndersonMusicProducer6 жыл бұрын
Oh and I must say that I am in no way taking away from this being a good mix tutorial. It's a great one. I just commented hoping to inspirrore "Billie Jeans" instead of "Closers".
@Adsrsounds6 жыл бұрын
Haha I love Closer! But billie jean is an all time favorite. And no I didn't know they settled on the 2nd mix, that's crazy! But I guess there's something to learn from that as well