[30] Introduction To "Float Picking" || (Abus EC 75/50)

Hope this helps you on your locksport journey!
This technique will serve you well if you practice it a lot!
Assa 700 picked&gutted:
• Assa 700 - 47 seconds

[@aratondisane]

Man, this video is so useful! I'm glad I stayed for the EC75 float pick demonstration. This is exactly what I was looking for.

[@IsaacHashman]

Thank you for the kind words 🙏

[@1970pizza]

Brilliant video my friend , i've got a feeling i'm going to learn a lot from you

[@IsaacHashman]

Thank you brother! Happy to have you here, and feel free to ask me anything anytime :)

[@Roadshome]

Thanks for sharing that technique. I've been struggling with the abus for that very reason.

[@ButterContest]

Good info, good audio, good video. Thank you!

[@affinity3470]

Excellent demonstration! You're a Super Pro, I hope you keep up the top tier content :)

[@IsaacHashman]

New video uploading now :) Thank you very much buddy, I really appreciate all your support ❤

[@SouthpawPickingPete-qi8qr]

Thank you for sharing this Technique, gonna start practicing this one for sure!!!!

[@lockhak33]

This was very informative. Thank you for help justifying why I have so many different tension wrenches that I've made to fit specific locks.

[@IsaacHashman]

😂 you're welcome! That is awesome though, and I need to make more custom tensioners myself! Thanks for coming by and the kind words :)

[@begin2dig]

it also looked really elegant as well - aesthetics always nice

[@IsaacHashman]

Haha, thank you again, I try my best... now I need to get back into making new videos and figure out how to make it look nice again 😂

[@peterchancellor6728]

Excellent. I never stop learning. Thank you

[@IsaacHashman]

Thanks for stopping by :) Happy this helped you learn something new!

[@chriscapune7873]

Great demonstration 😃👍 🐈🐾🐈‍⬛🐾👏👏👏👏

[@IsaacHashman]

Very kind! I'm pretty proud of this video :D

[@johnsullivan6560]

Very good video. Getting the right tension is important.

[@IsaacHashman]

I appreciate it, I'm proud of this video and hope it helps lots of people!

[@PickSmith122]

Great explanation of the technique and showing how it works. Plus you make it look so easy! Practice practice practice!

[@IsaacHashman]

Thank you for saying that buddy, i really appreciate that you took the time to check it out, and let me know what you thought! :)

[@wolfganggrojcig2528]

Currently busy trying to pick this one. The idea of float picking it, has not come to mind yet. I just find the pins to be brutal strong in this particular lock. To add salt on the wound, it also has pins coming from the top which obstructs the keyway even more, making positioning of the flag even harder than it should be.

[@Uniquettt]

Thanks for posting. Some valuable information taught

[@IsaacHashman]

Thank you very much for the kind words!

[@TonySLocks]

Nice video, great explanation, you have a fantastic way of describing all this

[@IsaacHashman]

I really appreciate that! Thanks for letting me know what you think and I really liked your video on this lock!

[@skookumdanger]

This was super helpful, thank you! 👏💯

[@IsaacHashman]

🤘 buddy ty! Sorry for the late reply

[@leopladt4357]

Dude, this was super helpful! I never would have thought to use float picking on this lock. I just recently starting picking dimple locks, and I got into my Mul-T-Lock Junior pretty easily, but I've been struggling with this Abus for days. DAYS. After watching this video, I went back to the lock and opened it in under two minutes. Night and day difference.

[@IsaacHashman]

Hahaha, that is simply awesome. So happy to hear my video helped you out! Also sorry for the delayed response, and thank you very much for sharing your thoughts!

[@newhouselockandkey]

Thank you for this video I definitely learned a new technique

[@IsaacHashman]

I really appreciate you checking out the video and for the nice comment :)

[@begin2dig]

fab tutorial - thank you!

[@IsaacHashman]

Very kind, thank you!

[@RoonPicker]

Very nice demonstration thanks for sharing! Look forward to the 700 tutorial =D

[@IsaacHashman]

Thanks buddy! And will have it out in the next few videos ;)

[@danareed1656]

great info! thank you!

[@IsaacHashman]

You bet, and thank you for stopping by :)

[@PocketWomen]

A really good demonstration and explanation. I have used two tensioners in the past but never knew there was a name for it or the technique of what I was doing. Appreciate you taking the time to do this video, Cheers

[@IsaacHashman]

My pleasure! Thank you for taking the time to come by and share your thoughts :) You are a great picker, so I'm not surprised you stumbled across this technique on your own! :p

[@PocketWomen]

@@IsaacHashman Thank you for your kind words. Enjoy the rest of your week, cheers

[@froggypicker]

Nice explanation!

[@IsaacHashman]

Thanks for checking out my video buddy :)

[@j.gabriel8573]

great tutorial, i havent had any battles with the gin pins as of yet, but i know eventually i will have to dance with them eventually. i have been taking a slow pace and trying to get comfortable with other security pins and euro keyways. it is a tedious and tasking journey, by the looks you have definitely put in the time and practice. i hope to get there one of these days. stay well and stay safe

[@IsaacHashman]

Stay well and stay safe yourself! Thank you very much for your kind words, and continued support Jason, I can't tell you how much it means! And very sorry for the delayed response! Btw, have had your dance with any gin spools as of yet?? 😀

[@j.gabriel8573]

@@IsaacHashman not that I know of, I have several CLs that have made it to my box, luckily they aren't time oriented to where I have only so much time, so I can learn them. I've seen the videos that artichoke2000 has made on gin pins and finally got 3 official CLs made and the 3rd being all made pins and key without factory pins and cut it from a blank. You're quite welcome sir, and good to know that you're doing well and still moving forward. I've been trying to get the binding order figured out on one of the 19s a d looking to get an open, if it's not on camera, it may have to be another one like Lebowski's until I manage an open on cam. I own 5 of those now with 3 being loaned out. Getting back to gin spools, I think I'd have to modify a tensioner to fit very snug to be able to float pick to control the core using the 2 tensioner method I'm sure I could do, will need practice. Stay safe and well 👍👍👍

[@IsaacHashman]

@@j.gabriel8573 definitely keep me posted on your progress! Those masterlock 19's look like a beast, and from what you and others have told me, they can be pretty hard! Very cool you are on the CL train. Good for you brother, maybe down the road we can do a CL exchange! 😀

[@j.gabriel8573]

@@IsaacHashman I'm sure that one of your CLs will steal your soul 😂😂, since your are an aficionado with locks.

[@itsallinhow]

really great tutorial -makes what seems an esoteric technique accessible. awesome. what is that bottom tensioner in the Abus? is it a particular brand or material? it looks quite cool on it's own. and thank you again for the time to share the knowledge

[@IsaacHashman]

Very kind words, I try to make my guides/videos in general, help to demystify the scaryness of some locks/techniques. I'm glad I was able to do that for you on this one. That second tensioner was one of the z wrenches that I got with the original sparrows dimple pick set (not sure of the new set has the same tensioners). It was about the only thing useful I got out of that set lol.

[@ListentoGallegos]

LPL used a small dimple pick and standard tension but this method worked better for me when I picked my Abus ec75/60. Thanks for the tutelage.

[@BoldSooner058]

I've been struggling with this lock. I actually have the 60mm version but I'm sure the technique is the same. My first issue was finding a pick that would raise the pins up around the warding but not be so long that it hit the warding on the other side. Then finding a tension to that would fit right was the second issue. I think I have a plan of attack now.

[@IsaacHashman]

Yup, sounds like the same struggles I went through when first playing with this lock. Did my video end up helping? How is the progress coming along these days if I may ask?

[@wolfganggrojcig2528]

🧐 hmmm wouldn't it be easier to find two fitting TOK tensioners that fit 45 degrees into the keyway on the right side? Is there any benefit from having your fingers "stretch" in both ways instead of having precise control of how the core turns using one very snug tensioner? If they are nice and snug you can use "one combined" tensioner to control turning in both directions. I'll try it out on my own ABUS EC75 to make sure. Right now I'm baffled that I can't open euro profile cylinders because of the milling that houses the pinstack. It just feels like it glues down the pins as you pick them. I learned yesterday while picking the GOAL S that I can use float picking to lift these pins, regardless of the new technique introduced, I couldn't get an open. Which is kind of sad 😢

[@Deadlocks86]

Exelent demo Isaac. I have recently started learning this technique. Progressive pinning an ASSA 600 with jin spools. How do you tell the difference between a set jin spools and when its stuck in the counter milling?

[@IsaacHashman]

I find that at first it was pretty hard to tell the difference between the two. But the more I picked locks with gins, the more the feedback became clear to me. Both when gins are caught in the milling, and when a pin is set, it will feel stiff when you press on it (if you are in a false set). The best way to describe the difference from my experience is that the set pins are a little softer then the gins that are caught in the milling. Gins in the milling are very stiff, but as you start to float pick, they wil start to become a little bit jiggly. Once it gets to that point, then don't back off any further, just wiggle the pin while releasing pressure on it and then lightly lifting. Sometimes you need to play with the pin for a while before it will decide to slip out of the milling. A really good way to learn the feel is by progressive pinning the gins in pairs. Keep me posted on your progress!! Thanks for stopping by :)

[@Deadlocks86]

@@IsaacHashman thanks for the info Isaac. Il keep you up to date. And try and feel for what you said i can manage with 3 pins so far. Could be better tho👍

[@QBlackDeathQ]

Where can one get an Assa 700 lock?

[@apocryphalenergy5290]

Suggestion. Show a much closer view of your picking the lock.

[@IsaacHashman]

I tried to find the best distance that would show the keyway clearly, and also my fingers on the tensioners, since they are both very important aspects of float picking. Thank you for the suggestion! I'll see how I can make it a bit better in the next ones :)

[@SadisticPicker]

I think freediver just sent me this exact lock. Or one like it. Shit I’m having trouble doing a regular pin tumbler😳

[@SadisticPicker]

That don’t look so hard….. said a guy once😝.

[@IsaacHashman]

Have you figured it out so far? Definitely fun once you get the hang of this guy. And lol "you can pick that one, that one's easy" 😂

[@samlott99]

I own enough tension tools to get "tight" tension. I'm not sure "Float" picking is really a thing! Unless someone is short on tension tools...

[@IsaacHashman]

Float picking is definitely a thing and is required to pick certain locks such as the Assa 700 when gins get stuck in the countermilling. It's not about how many tensioners you have, it's about being able to fully control the plug's rotation in both directions. That way you can pull back on the tension to a very specific degree without dropping pins that have been set or partially set. Therefore if you are just using one tight fitting tensioner, it is still float picking, as I explained in my video. As for what method of float picking is best? It really depends... there are up sides and down sides to both. With 1 tight fitting tensioner, you have more space in the keyway to work your picks, but at the same time, the keyway will eventually start to wear, and the once tight fitting tensioner will start to become loose. On the other hand, 2 tensioner are harder to work picks around, but will never become loose even if the keyway becomes worn

[@MultiJoeyv]

Talk about entirely misunderstanding something.