300 Series LandCruiser FULLY MODIFIED and driven HARD! How much difference do the right mods make?

[@JoshuaJAD]

Anyone else think the last bush ready cruiser was the 105? Modern landcruisers will just be soccer mum cars to me, unless they go back to their roots. They better keep the 70 series in production I swear. Great vid as always fellas

[@robertfassone6212]

I have a 105 with 33s all terrains and those tracks look fairly standard to me aye

[@fathomtheundertaker4356]

78 series is a good 4x4 straight out of the factory, the back end hasn't changed since 1985, still waiting (6 months so far) for my new one

[@stan_smith395]

If they get rid of the 70 series australia won't be australia

[@FJaypewpew]

Tfw 07 rodeo with the 4jj1

[@jamiemckennon1944]

The 70 series is a long way from being capable as a tough track car. It's got crap clearance

[@jakeramsden]

Put a camp oven on 35's and it would flex more than that thing.

[@beejoutbush3322]

Hahaha

[@4WD247]

It’s a lot harder to get legal/safe flex out of a 4WD with independent suspension, but modern traction control does a bang up job of countering wheel lifts before you even go for a locker. That said, if anyone’s got a spare camp oven and a set of 35s they aren’t using… we know a guy

[@flynnreynolds9239]

@@4WD247 my patrol meets the criteria

[@PLxFTW]

You'd need damn near centrally mounted extra long control arms to get decent flex from independent suspension. Look at the independents suspension trucks run in King of the Hammers

[@MrMrsregor]

Camp oven on 35s is awesome ! Tasty treats and trails at the same time :)

[@LS1able]

What suspension articulation it's got the flex of a chopping block 😆

[@xcub54]

Hey mate, what's flex 😂

[@tobycooper4639]

Looks about the same flex as a 79 ha

[@OffTheBeatenPathAus]

This sort of driving is exactly what has been missing to date from the Grenadier launch. I love the Grenadier but yet to see it do anything remotely like this. It's not that I think it can't we just haven't seen it. Great driving Shauno

[@MothyEmms]

I imagine the Grenadier will be a better offroader, but yeah, looking forward to see some real footage when it rolls into Aus

[@einfelder8262]

It will have no trouble with this sort of stuff. There is no mention of what this 300 with these mods will cost - but I'm tipping north of $180,000 if you get one with lockers. The Grenadier will cost much less.

[@sandymasterson3009]

She'll be here after launch. Good or bad I'm pumped to see one put through her paces.

[@jag5695]

35 inches on a Grenadier with front and rear lockers will chew up most terrains. However I do like the crawl control of the cruiser as well

[@liammiller9538]

Hey Shaun, your videos always make me feel good, especially after today because just a few hours ago I found out someone I really love passed away this morning and I came home and watched your videos and it really made my day a lot better thanks Shaun!!

[@repentfromsinfollowjesus2953]

Rely on JESUS for comfort, not earthly things Brody. Read my name

[@derrickpeterson6309]

Thank you for having footage of the raw engine sound without stupid music added over it! Love your channel!

[@AK-vk6wg]

That's exactly what I am buying ,, a Sahara 300 and equipping it with so this was so good to watch. Now all I have to do is learn how to drive as well as that off road

[@limpn]

Can you mention the bar work again please

[@tpv59]

Was it TJM ????????

[@TJM4X4]

Hey Matt! This build includes: TJM Outback Bullbar TJM Modular Black Steel Side Steps 63mm TJM Modular Black Steel Side Bar 63mm Plus the rear bar which is a protype

[@mechanic7430]

I'd love the power and economy of a 300 but even if I win the lotto, I'd stick with my 105 and FTE swap it .Never selling my old rig!

[@yyt101]

Heard that store at least 100000 times good for you.

[@vanderz1012]

Yeah if I had that kind of money I'd just buy a used 200 or Prado and build it up proper

[@tealy124]

Same here, except mines a 100, sahara with an FTE

[@vanderz1012]

@@tealy124 question to a 100 series owner. I want one myself is it generally easy and affordable to modify?

[@tealy124]

@@vanderz1012 Short answer, yes. But like any 4wd, you can throw alot of dollars at it to make it how you want it. 1HDFTE's in good nick are harder to come by these days for a good price given how sought after they are.

[@gride5153]

The 300 on those hills is so impressive. Great video boys - thanks

[@Berawabilly]

Drink every time Shauno says “a few key mods”

[@fairdinkum9454]

hAw yAgAWinmaaaaaTe….?! Cheers 🤪🍻

[@Ed-wy2di]

It's crazy to spend that amount of money, then modify it. Then hitting rough tracks with such an expensive rig.

[@hi9580]

It's fine if you're crazy rich

[@sweetwaterfilms4160]

Money is relative mate.

[@yyt101]

120k for the VX in the video other 20k should be enough for mods

[@peterjones4163]

Put a good off-road driver in any model Landcruiser “stock”with at least a good set of off-road tires and the vehicle will go places most could only dream of. You don’t need half the shit! In saying that this 300 looks insane! Pj

[@henryosembo6463]

Love the modifications. I would purchase it!❤️👍🏼

[@SW-rx2pt]

300 series modified Imagine the cost!

[@jamezxh]

Firmly getting into ram and F250 territory

[@hitchhikingdagalaxy]

In Shauno's words "just a couple of mods"

[@dudleythree3]

Toyota are getting good at making half a 4B

[@jamiemckennon1944]

@@dudleythree3 and charging double the price! If Hyundai or Kia made this it would be half the cost and twice as good!

[@suttoo85]

flexes like a land cruiser, haha

[@chir0pter]

4WD 24-7 cameraguys did a great job making a steep hill actually look steep on camera. I wonder what techniques they use

[@thumpergman]

Not once did i see were the bullbar was used to protect the vehicle.

[@dudleythree3]

LoL

[@Corey-pd3mi]

He actually made a point of saying the stock bumpers have less clearance and would have been ripped off 🤦‍♂️

[@adventurebound556]

Good Morning Mates, I was wondering if you guys have thought about planning a world tour trip? It would be Epic!!! A Patagonia Hwy trip, end to end? Go out into the world and meet your fans I am sure they would be there to support you at every turn. I know I would here in the USA. Like I said Epic!!!!

[@jeremyharris4415]

Wow what a fantastic to see how well the 300 series goes it’s insane I was very impressed with it . I would own one myself if I had that kind of money. Looking forward to watching your next video mate

[@paulgriffiths7399]

The problem now days is that you need to spend 10-20k on "a few key mods" to make an already overpriced overrated Toyota go as far as a stock Toyota did 30 years ago....

[@HDvids101]

Money has spoilt true 4wding making people think they need all the luxury BS.. Need a basic car with all the extra stuff gone. The 4wd world has gone overpriced and soft.

[@tealy124]

Spot on. In my opinion, this kind of real-world info should be discussed on the show.

[@VEOPengineering]

even the old 80 need tyres, suspension, lockers etc to work. Same goes for the patrol, Landrovers, pajero's etc. They dont make ANY car perfect, there are always key mods to do. The toyota has been the best overall platform to start from for the last 50 yrs though

[@paulgriffiths7399]

@@VEOPengineering na no way man. You don't need lockers and new suspension in an 80/patrol to get places. The only mod you would need is all terrain tyres if it has road tyres. These old 4wds crawl up anything. Patrols don't need lockers regardless as their rear LSD is so good.

[@joshuacalvin2362]

Yeah this is a $150k vehicle. No wonder it goes up a dirt track nicely - calling it a soccer mum's car is a bit overblown, even when stock.

[@1129DSJ]

It looks amazing driving kids to school and sporting clubs, I’ve actually seen one go up a kerb quite well and even a speed hump so definitely worth the $$$$$$$$$$$$

[@markkuman4673]

Love your content. HI from Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬

[@paulvictor9368]

If I had the money, I’d buy one in a heartbeat.

[@China4x4]

that hill is crazy....i would just give up and barbeque right away

[@Lee-in-oz]

The location of the intercoolers is an issue of concern to me for potentially picking up dirt / mud etc.

[@rob3518]

Most people seem to have had a bad day judging by the comments, I reckon it did a great job 💪

[@AdmissionGaming]

Hey Rob, how much did your 300 set you back?

[@mohammedmuzakkir9803]

wouldn't mind that tjm equipped beauty on my driveway

[@sweetwaterfilms4160]

Looks great. I don't get Why 80 and 105 oWners feel so threatened. This car isn't being made as competition to a 30 year old 80 series. If you Want to keep your 80 With all the fruit go ahead, its probably more capable too, no doubt. But if you have the money and have an interest in safety and economy these things are great, especially considering majority of 4WD'ers in Aus aren't rock climbing every W/E.

[@phalanx3803]

Awesome. cant wait to see the Chopped 300 all kited out.

[@alexanderralph8341]

I'm surprised the snorkel went on the left. Most 4WDs built after 2012 have the snorkel on the right. The Ford Ranger & Mazda BT-50 have had the snorkel on the right since 2012, and the Toyota Hilux had it on the right since 2005.

[@dgfish23]

They're starting to copy the patrols 😂

[@andrewfranklin1703]

Up two hills and down one, impressive but most 4WD will do that. I really like the car but willing to wait till it has done a few laps of the island and been pushed on a continuous time frame on some cross country trips. Also to let the aftermarket develop a bit more.

[@markhowells13]

thats going to be true of any new release car

[@KTMcaptain]

@@markhowells13 fairly certain plenty will. You can get 35” mud terrain fully locked trucks completely stock. Fairly confident any Rubicon, Bronco Badlands, and ZR2 can make it up with minimal issue.

[@DanCabban]

It looks awesome, however “a few key mods” it’s $20k worth there.

[@AdmissionGaming]

20k is loose change to 300 owners

[@Corey-pd3mi]

$20k is fk all when modifying any 4WD

[@taranis616]

The real shame here is that super experienced 4 wheel drivers like Shauno are no longer in a position to give impartial reviews. Statements like “you can really feel it flexing” when it quite obviously isn’t and can’t, totally undermine any credibility.

[@fairdinkum9454]

Agree. This channel has lost credibility. Slowly but surely. Sad, but true.

[@pentergraph]

Exactly the reason why Roothy was punted.. these guys and their shine is leaving them... they will be selling terrain tamer and mahindras next and it'll be another couple of young "okka" blokes trying to sell you a 300

[@Sam-LC300]

Watch his first video. Can see it flexing there...

[@taranis616]

@@Sam-LC300 Yeh I agree. Looks like the TJM lift on this one has lost all droop at the front

[@quagar6982]

Great drive mate and very capable car, looked to be doing it easy. Love the mods, neat and clean.

[@motardktm640]

Props to TJM for their attitude towards lending you their new rig

[@4WD247]

There were a few nervous giggles

[@TJM4X4]

@@4WD247 just a few! 😅

[@Corey-pd3mi]

What a beast, it crawled up effortlessly

[@jasonwatson673]

not bad for 200k tractor 😂

[@ramoneortiz]

Can’t get a 300 here in the USA. But I was able to snag one of the last 200s and I have done some proper mods to it and it’s a beast now.

[@baileynorris9975]

This ep was just a promotion for tjm I miss the old days genuine opinions

[@PatrickRich]

No lockers? If this is just traction logic, that's extremely impressive.

[@Grazzassv]

Wondered the same thing!

[@warboyrb]

I think its just traction control, I think only the GR Sport comes with lockers from the factory, this was maybe a VX with leather seats.

[@HusseinKhatry-fk4tn]

Would like to see this car in one of ur vids of the toughest track in Australia or even cape York against the other boys

[@joffreyverbeeck1640]

Love the looks of the big rig, specially with the mods. Now it finally looks ready for anything. Though I would personally prefer something smaller, as it would be a daily driver too. I work in town, where it's hard to still find a parking space a big car will fit in. And parking garages, if you need to use one, usually come with a height restriction. What tires do TJM have on that rig though? I know it's a big car, but those tires seem small. Or is that just misperception after being used to how big the 35s look on Shauno's usual rigs?

[@theacreelife]

I would have one in a heartbeat! Great looking mods on this one. I think it looks better when modified than the 200 did. RIP 200, bring on the 300's. Also nice to see your featuring some defending in your videos. Can I ask for more please? Everyone shows the tough climbs, but we all know that coming down can me more dangerous so I think it would be great to show more of that.

[@Sam-LC300]

Unclear if he was using the hill descent control. Looks way too tentative and using the brakes.

[@bencostanzo2062]

Hope they bring that rear bar into production so you can hide the hideous arse end on the 300!! Great vid guys!

[@kiwi2147]

Bugger, I was hoping this would be the 2nd episode of the 3day fishing / camping trip. Still a great video Shauno. Good on ya mate, that is a beast of a rig

[@iwasbored3910]

Yeah 2 weeks is a bit to long to wait

[@phoenixgaming20]

Thursdays are the "big" days where they upload trips

[@phoenixgaming20]

@@iwasbored3910 not when they have 200+ hours of footage to work with

[@iwasbored3910]

@@phoenixgaming20 i understand that but 2 weeks is still a long time to finish an episode personally id prefer to wait for the 1st video not the 2nd

[@jeffreyflynn2805]

According to the little clips they been putting on tic toc they had to go back to the station workshop to repair the boat trailer

[@stan_smith395]

New cruisers are built for looks, old cruisers built for performance and still looked good, 1hz Na could pull 1 mill ks easy and they came out 30yrs ago, I just don't think they built tough anymore

[@andyjcoop]

Bad for business when you build them too good lol

[@stan_smith395]

@@lockednliftedgq nah Ur not wrong but still old generation engineering was better just the good days u know

[@AdmissionGaming]

@@stan_smith395 my 1hz lasted 280k before needing new rings, idk how people get 1million out of them maybe heaps of highway kms. Mine was serviced every 7500km

[@anguspinkerton8637]

I have a 1998 1hzturbo 105, 276 thousand ks people laugh at me people think it's a heavy heap of shit but ask me to pull them out of the sand etc walks up any hill and comfy to drive easy to work on. KISS- KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

[@adampowell4867]

@@AdmissionGaming Toyota service schedule states oil change every 5000km and filter every 10k. If you changed oil every 7500km, that's 50% longer duration than recommended and wore your motor out quicker. Oil is cheap

[@rCold21]

That bullbar looks horrendous. Who at tjm is giving the go ahead on them lol

[@nathancarter9894]

Some might say it's a very capable soccer mums car!

[@yvonnegroth3038]

Ive got one on order will be here in W.A. in 5 or 6 weeks and along list of mods are ordered for when it arrives.

[@tundraboy573]

This 300 will out perform any 80,100 and dare I say it the mighty 200,( just waiting for lightning to strike me ) . I think its just hard for a-lot of u to admit it.

[@stan_smith395]

Every 4wd is good when heavily modified, but It has independent front axel which is still capable of course but like 80 series where u can fit 35 or bigger independent can mostly fit 33 and sometimes 35 but body and cv get in the way and damages the vehicle

[@rob3518]

Agreed 👍

[@Corey-pd3mi]

@@stan_smith395 And you need 35’s because……..ffs, you only need what works and that configuration worked

[@c.h1645]

out perform, maybe, outlast however.. no.

[@tundraboy573]

@@c.h1645 I remember in 2008 purchasing my 200 series Sahara and people going on with the same rubbish that this new 200 is to nimble and the motor will not last and it will be nothing like the 100 series. Toyota spends millions on research and testing, this new 300 series has been testing for the last 5 years in Australia camouflaged as a 200 series.

[@ashwinprasad8158]

TJM's probably getting sweaty palms watching this despite saying to bust it out :P

[@berjerk3425]

We do agree that the code number of toyota is the final price with all the mode x1000 ? Well if it's not capable for that price that would be a bit harsh..

[@andystewart7654]

Hey Shaun'o great video,👌👊👏 what size & brand tyre's are on the 300 ?

[@jordan25031986]

A piece of string sticky taped to the roof with a weight on end will help show the steepness of the hills.

[@Ethan.stewie]

what a beast the 300 is

[@JOlsson01]

The rear articulation doesn't look as good as my old LC100 with OME and std lift.

[@dudleythree3]

The lift looks like it lost flex compared to the stock run

[@Supra_Rankin]

Front looks worse then my fortuner you can see how short the allowed travel is with the upper arms being so low. Good car to tow a trailer but I'd take a 105 or 80 hell even a 200

[@sweetwaterfilms4160]

@@dudleythree3 that can happen With IFS. Think Ronny explained it in his live axle vs IFS vid.

[@MidnightPursuit]

Every 4wd flog “Check out the wheel lift”

[@zacksnguni8999]

Its capable and the rear bull bar is the work of art 💯

[@1129DSJ]

Perfect soccer Mum car now 👏

[@darrensice1550]

I think in the future when you are asked to test drive a 4WD you should have a competition to have a subscriber go with you and be a spotter and you can also help them with any questions they have either about the 4wd you are testing or the 4WD they own.

[@jackcirrito3458]

Great idea! But the subscriber should at least do SOME of the driveling. Jack in Mexico

[@darrensice1550]

@@jackcirrito3458 yeah but I don’t think the dealership would like it if the subscriber caused any damage. If he was driving his own and one of the boys were in the passenger seat explaining things while they are driving. If they have done 4WD before then see if they are aloud to have a test drive because they might buy one like your testing

[@jackcirrito3458]

@@darrensice1550 Yeah. I guess I was just fantasizing about a perfect world.

[@tobyjacob8701]

If I could afford, I’d go for a GR and put TJM mods for lap around this great big country 🤙🏼🤙🏼🇦🇺. Awesome content as always mate👏🏼🙏🏼.

[@Schanckas]

Same 👍

[@kysmwr]

a GR with this mods would be the complete mud king

[@stevenbest1550]

I would love to challenge that vehicle with my 2021 BT-50 its also had the "TJM Makeover" and I am certain that the Mazda BT-50 / Dmax would deliver the same result. So in short, Shauno, mate you just gave this vehicle a "Free Pass" and I think other vehicles on the market that are way less expensive are just as capable as that thing when you spend big dollars on accessories from a reputable 4x4 after market manufacturer.

[@alexmitchinson183]

what version of the 300 series is this & what year model ??? GR ? Sahara ? GX ? i want to get the new 300 series & fully kit it with TJM MODS but not sure which version of the 300 i should get ??? 300 series 2023 or 2022 ? ?? any help with any of these questions would help me great Thanks , Alex

[@heniradiman8231]

Gokil ini mah .. Ni mobil udah dibikin kyak gini aja...

[@bertyboy2397]

Hate to be a stick in the mud, but when was this filmed at Kenilworth? Just curious as there are little to no tracks left open due to idiots driving the still closed trails by HQ Plantations. As a local it’s more than annoyed me and my family and friends who all live 5 mins away. Bad enough LCMP has now been taken over by city slickers trying to offset their carbon footprint from their mining companies. This is no doubt going to show more ‘enthusiasts’ that Kenilworth is open. Also LC300 is a massive step back from the former glory of the solid axles and V8s. Dress it up as much as you want, it’s still an over priced shopping trolly. Just my 2 cents.

[@jamezxh]

Well said

[@Corey-pd3mi]

Didn’t someone at LCMP get killed? Makes sense for them to shut it down to keep the fkwits out when things like that happen

[@4WD247]

This is Kenilworth mate, yep! Every track we filmed on is still open, at least they were last month. It’s an expensive vehicle sure, but it’s pretty impressive that it can do what we’ve done in some seriously built up 4WDs

[@chuanyong5442]

I'll need one for the apocalypse.

[@pandeningenomesho5128]

The GR has a steep bumper. Ideal for offroading

[@jaandeleeuw3300]

Just ordered a 300 now I got to wait haha.

[@vanderz1012]

Great rig all round. Would I buy one? Eish with that price tag I'd rather go for a used 200 or Prado tbh

[@westhomas4206]

That 300 looks awesome/amazing, love the look of it

[@tmill2001]

Wow with the dramatic music! Have y'all put James Cameron on the payroll! Lolol!!! A long way from Shorty and Sooty!

[@dartmoordave]

First mud hole will fill those front bumper vents.

[@BJackson.]

Fookin Warwick Nara mara mate😂😂

[@piripifatboi]

Actually a very nice truck

[@reginawoolla9142]

U got a nice rig there it's a beast should mind having one of these 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@gullf1sk]

I'll get one when there is a shop V8 swapping it

[@elliottg5987]

100% improvement on looks with that front bumper in the bin. What were they thinking?

[@gibbethoskins8621]

I'd definitely own one for touring and comfort, but if I was heading on tracks like that i'd rather something I can bash around and not be too concerned about damaging.

[@nicholastoo858]

If you had the cash to get a tough vehicle for overlanding, would you buy the LC300 or 2018 G Wagon G300 CDI ? They are about the same price. Some LC300 models are actually cheaper than the G300. There's a guy who did about 900,000 km in his G300 GD "Otto".

[@einfelder8262]

While it did pretty well I had to chuckle at the comment "you can feel the articulation" - based on the videos it doesn't have any at the front and stuff all at the rear.

[@jcr6548]

Where'd the snorkel finish at the rear bumper? !

[@markmanson5035]

Looks sharp , still cant understand why any of the makers dont make a fully decked out 4x4 . This day and age with just how popular off roading / camping is .

[@bbgames908]

Because it’s not as popular as you’d think. To think an entire production of a car (that has to pass roadworthy’s etc.) can be solely made for the 20% of Australian’s (if that) that actually get on the tracks as a weekly/bi weekly thing is a bit of wishful thinking. In my ideal world they’d still be selling 80s series and mandatory FTE’s in all of them. Unfortunately most of the consumers of the 300/200 tow caravans or just want to flex they own a 100,000 dollar family wagon.

[@attilarizinger3980]

For over $200k you can turn any soccer mums car into a capable 4wd.

[@dolguldur4706]

It looks more like a patrol then a cruiser after heavily modified 😆

[@hitchhikingdagalaxy]

It's why it comes with spare patrol badges just incase it gets stuck. Nothing to see here people, now where's the recovery patrol

[@heftymerv]

Now you need to do the exact same thing in a modified Y62 and let use know your thoughts...

[@edwardpeters4700]

Now that the LC300, LX600, Tundra, and Sequoia all share a platform, this gives me a lot of hope for the North American offerings. Still a bit mopey about not getting the diesel on our side of the pond though.

[@fourocker]

I think I still prefer my 80 series except maybe for towing the caravan, the 300 would do a better job of that I'm sure 😊

[@darcykeddell4930]

only gotta spend 150k on it and mods and its a capable rig

[@Corey-pd3mi]

GX with those mods is not $150k

[@darcykeddell4930]

@@Corey-pd3mi it's a Sahara, what's that like 130k, with barwork, good suspension, winch, accessories probably looking at 145-150k

[@Corey-pd3mi]

@@darcykeddell4930 this one may well be a Sahara, but a GX would do the same job, so no, you don’t have to spend $150k, which is what I said

[@darcykeddell4930]

@@Corey-pd3mi fair enough that is true but I was talking about the one in the video, you wouldn't want to get dirt on a car so expensive so the cheaper option although being expensive also is the better option

[@Corey-pd3mi]

@@darcykeddell4930 yeah, I don’t think many of those will be used on tracks like that for quite some time. Although if the Govt keeps the tax write offs going people just keep spending money on new 4WD’s and modifications 😂

[@trhs]

Take it up big red.

[@4tosserstouringcompany249]

Be happy to have it in my possession Very happy

[@CarlosEduardo-mt8dg]

Imaginé this truck with a front solid axle 😎

[@sw86241996]

Still a King

[@brycegraham1419]

You make it look harder than is

[@ZiggyYates]

Bring it to tassie in the snow with Jacko driving

[@Misstslegacylounge]

Absolutely love it . Glad shauno got to drive it instead of jocko lol wouldn’t be one piece

[@F1NATIK]

There was a car in that video, all i seen was bar work, lol hahah

[@OutrageousmE]

Can’t be better then a 200 series with that v8 twin turbo 👌

[@stevezurek7281]

I have one on order. Was told could be 14 months wait +???Who knows.I got 1k as a gamble to see what happens. Maybe some new accessories could be out

[@davebishop9954]

Great off-road show guys. You may have heard this before but “why do you guys not ever have a Jeep Wrangler tag along on one of your adventures?” Keep up the good work.

[@jamezxh]

Because their Nissan and Toyota shills . The odd Defender or Ranger you see on the show kills the tracks and never gets any praise . Even the D-Max is more reliable

[@Mark_Bridges]

There aren't too many wranglers, or other jeeps for that matter, here in Australia. There are some, not many. The vehicles you see on this channel are our most common ones, so I reckon that's why they're chosen.

[@davebishop9954]

I wonder how large the bill might be to float mine across the pond? Hmm….

[@AdmissionGaming]

They don't want to stop filming every 5 minutes because the jeep has broken down or randomly set itself on fire.

[@markoantonijevic5430]

Because jeeps are boxes