Shotgun Shell Primer Pocket Peener

[@costasbob7149]

Wow, I was amazed that someone finally can explain their video using proper flowing concise descriptions. I wish others could do the same. Good information.

[@314299]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@unitedstatesirie7431]

​​@@314299 uh, I am not going to hammer hot 209 primers into shotgun shells!💥 It is much safer to press the 209 primers into the shotgun shells.

[@unitedstatesirie7431]

​​@@314299 it is safer to press the 209 primers into the shotgun shells than to hammer the 209 primers into the shotgun shells ! I wish a company made a handheld shotgun shell primer tool that would press the 209 primers into the shotgun shells.

[@Newtire]

That is a great little tool. I discovered by accident that you can exert a little force on your de-primer and then flatten the base back out using a flat disc under your reprimer to do the same thing-if you are using a press. By hand, these tools work the best.

[@453421abcdefg12345]

This is a method I have used for some time out of necessity on my 4 bore cases, which are very difficult to source, it keeps the cases going for a long time, many thanks for posting this, I make my own tools, did not know these were available.

[@314299]

I can only imagine how hard it is to find hulls for a 4 bore gun!

[@frankd3765]

The reason a Winchester, Federal or Cheddite primer falls in a Rio or Fiocchi hull is because Rio and Fiocchi primers are 1/1000 of an inch larger. Reloading those hulls with Rio primers reduces or eliminates the need for resizing in most cases. Good job on the video.

[@bokroener2319]

You sir are correct rio sport is what they are called

[@trevorwilliams2455]

This blizzard really sucks,glad to see your still being productive ! Great video !

[@314299]

Thanks. I've got a lot of snow to deal with once the wind stops blowing it around.

[@utubegeneric]

The Rio pockets aren't soft. They use their own (larger) proprietary primers. But, great job resizing them to fit regular 209 primers. I have a case of 16 gauge shells that I've not been shooting because I couldn't find any rio primers available. But, now that I know about this tool, I'm going to try it. Thank you very much for making the video.

[@314299]

Yes, I found out after making the video that RIO uses a slightly larger primer. Best of luck with loading your fired RIO hulls.

[@Reloader826]

Hey mannyCA as the other guy says how many times can we reload these hulls ... 3/8 ratchet extension and and sharp hit will swage the primer pocket to accept the 209 primers ... Thank you for the Video keepem Coming Thank you

[@weekendhunter]

I think the primer pocket of European and Japanese brand shotshell is a little bit larger than the US one. So this kind of tool will be needed to use the US brand primer to them. I have a lot of Japanese hulls and Winchester primers. Thanks for nice information which exactly I needed.

[@314299]

I generally use French Cheddit 209 primers which are slightly larger than US made 209 primers, even those were too small for the expanded RIO primer pockets. Cheddite primers are often recommended for RIO, Fiocchi & of course Cheddite brand hulls.

[@yevgenz]

I once bought some new hulls and new russian primers that would fall out of the primer pocket even before being once fired. Had to use laquer to keep them in place. Now I use some Spanish made primers that hold well. Nice tool you have.

[@314299]

Are the Russian primers of the .209 (U.S.) type? I had some old Russian shotgun shells (I think they were called "Azot" and they used a smaller primer which had a different construction, made of two pieces (a cup and an anvil) instead of three as a 209 type primer (primer cup, anvil and battery cup). Those primers were much smaller in diameter, the old #97 Remington size primers could be used to replace them.

[@yevgenz]

314299 Shooting Channel The ones from the Soviet era, like the Azot shells held an entirely different and much smaller primer that is called here Gevelot (Жевело) for some reason, They would not hold in modern hulls even if glued in. The modern primers (like shown in your video) are called here Europrimer, those turned up in Ukraine only in the 1990s. If I had a tool like yours, I would have solved the problems of smallish early russian primers. In fact, when I shot those shells with glued primers, sometimes the primer would blow back in the action of my Saiga and wedge in between the moving parts.

[@314299]

yevgenz I've had live primers fall out of shells and go off in the action of a Remington 1100 when the action closed on them. Now I try to stick to once fired hulls for the semi-autos.

[@cory8791]

Great vid!!!! Would love to see a good old blizzard don't get much snow here.

[@314299]

This one is supposed to dump 40 to 50 cm on us with wind gusts up to 120 km/h. It's a good day to stay inside!

[@RussellHoughton]

Looks like an easy tool to make. Ill have to make me one next time i get hulls that are loose. Ive tossed a few over tbe years

[@314299]

I've discovered that if I give the punch a few good wacks that I can tighten a standard 209 primer pocket down to where it will hold one of the old Remington 57 / CCI57 size primers, which is handy as one can sometimes come across those at reasonable price. Current prices on 209 primers is just nuts.

[@RussellHoughton]

@@314299 I paid $90 each for 2 brick this year. I'm hoping they will last till I find some more reasonable ones.

[@Yukon12gauge00buck]

Blizzards are good days in the reloading room. Cool tool.

[@314299]

Staying inside is the only sensible thing to do on a day like this!

[@tomg6284]

What Frank D. said is spot on. Reo hull you need reo primers.

[@314299]

Sure, but they are not available here. As a matter of fact there are no shotgun primers of any kind to be had here.

[@RyeOnHam]

I've come up on this a few times and merely peened once on each side with a center punch. This is much more elegant. I wonder if an arbor press might give a little more control over the process?

[@314299]

I'm sure it would, especially if you have an adjustable stop of some sort for the handle.

[@RyeOnHam]

I have a bad shoulder. Having to relearn reloading with my left arm lately.

[@314299]

RyeOnHam Same thing happened to a buddy of mine, he has almost quit shooting as a result.

[@Newtire]

I mentioned already the fact that you can simply use the repriming punch of a MEC 600 Jr. and push it down inside of the empty shell positioned on a flat plate. Try it, you'll see. I think an arbor press sounds like a better idea. Saves wear on your loading press.

[@tymz-r-achangin]

Cheddite 209 vs Winchester 209 shotshell primers I just got my first batch of Cheddite 209 primers and did a careful measurement of them and the Winchester 209 primers I used both the micrometers and digital calipers to measure the diameters of the body of the primers. Aside from what a lot of people have said whereby the Cheddites being oversized and thus enlarging the hull's primer pocket which then made the Winchester 209 primers fit to loose, but according to the cheddite 209 primers I received, there's hardly any difference in their diameters The cheddite primers measured no more than .001 (1 thousandth of an inch) in comparison to the diameter of the Winchester 209 primers I then tried several random cheddite primers in the hulls, deprimed them, and then primed the same hulls with Winchester 209 primers. There was nowhere near the looseness which some people have been reporting, and in fact there was certainly an adequate tightness of the Winchester 209 primers in the hull after the cheddite 209 primers had first been pressed in and then removed from those hulls I just now finished shooting 10 rounds of my reloaded .410 shells. My following recipe is only to reference the testing of the Winchester 209 primers having stayed seated in the hull's primer pocket: Winchester AA hulls, 17gn of LIL' Gun powder (loaded on the hotter side of the recommended loads) , generic claybuster wads, and (x3) 3/8" chromium ball bearings. I didnt have any problems with the W209 primers backing out and that is even with a recipe that is a hot load.

[@314299]

You are running a real safety risk shooting steel ball bearing! Steel projectiles have completely different internal ballistic properties than lead ones, and can generate a lot more pressure than a lead projectile. This is because steel is "springy" - to demonstrate this just drop a steel ball on a hard surface vs. dropping a lead ball and notice the bounce of steel. There is a reason that loading books have special steel shot data, using special powders and wads, it has been pressure tested as safe. Guessing as to a load is unsafe. 17 grains of Lil'gun is a LOT of the stuff, a 2-1/2" shell with 1/2 ounce of lead generally uses only around 13 grains of that powder.

[@tymz-r-achangin]

@@314299 Thanks for the concern, but nearly 200 of those rounds over the past couple years been shot through my Harrington And Richards single shot 410 and through my Mossberg 500 410 which confirms there is little safety concern. With my particular guns, can definitely handle the hotter load without worry My initial post is mainly to provide information pertaining to switching from the standard Winchester 209 primers to the foreign-made Cheddite 209 primers Thanks again and happy reloading to ya :)

[@frankmartino835]

The Rio hulls have the biggest primer pocket in the world. Cheddite and fiocchi are a bit bigger than the american ones but Rio primer are the biggest that's why the other primers fit loose. 👍

[@314299]

Yes that is true.

[@dcarkhuf]

I bought one from midwayusa and I can load my Italian shells with standard 209 primers now.

[@314299]

I take it the Italian hulls were too loose to hold an American 209 primer?

[@dcarkhuf]

Can not find any Cheddite or Fiocchi Primers if I order them online I would have to pay a hazmat fee, that would boost the price up tp $55.00. Iam glad I found your video, giving them about six whacks with the tool the 209 primers fit nice

[@jungleno.]

Buy Nobel Sport primers. They are the largest.

[@jimgilmore893]

@@dcarkhuf And now we would gladly pay 55 Plus hazmat if we could get them...

[@davidcolon7540]

Where can i find a recipe for 16g Rio hulls?

[@314299]

Ballistic products has a 16 ga book that might help.

[@jeffferguson7256]

another great video. Very informative. How many re loadings can you expect from a given shell?

[@aserta]

I wonder if instead of using a hammer, you could use a press. You know, one of the smaller ones that fit on a bench, or even chuck the tool in the chuck of a drill press. Interesting tool.

[@314299]

That would probably work. A small arbor press would probably work just fine.

[@johnanderson186]

Hey, comment on the RIO HULLS. RIO hulls aren’t softer, they’re primers are just oversized compared to all other primers on the market. Their primers are .245”. Compared to CCI .240” , Federal and Remington .241”, Winchester .2415”, Fiocchi and Cheddite .242”. So Rio is just a Bit oversized as you can see. I don’t know why they’re .245” , but they are. Hope that helps a bit.

[@johnanderson186]

Their* primers!

[@314299]

Yeah you are right, RIO primers are large, so large that they are basically not interchangeable with US size 209's.

[@pacman10182]

the rio primer pocket are loose because they're made for the slightly larger Euro primers

[@314299]

Actually they are even larger than most European primers , such as the Cheddite primers.

[@pacman10182]

@@314299 I'm just going off what I heard what's the number in your channel name from ideal mold? off memory, that's a 32 cal, 75gr, RN whoops, I'm thinking 314249, 85 gr, the '299 is 200 gr

[@jjenson2006]

I've found that a small dab of superglue applied holds a loose primer in well.

[@314299]

+jjenson2006 I'm sure that it would, however it might not be great for reloading.

[@jjenson2006]

+314299 Shooting Channel I've been using it for a while now to reload cheap hulls. I'm firing slugs and buckshot and have had no issues using this method. At least a few hundred shells have been fired. The trick is to use just a very small dab on the cylinder at the edge where it is inserted into the hull. This method is quick and easy and doesn't require any peening.

[@314299]

Do the primers come out again, or are you not reloading them more than once. Personally I dont mess with loose primers in 12 or 20 gauge hulls as I have so many of them, ones with loose primers just go in the trash. The peening process is saved only for 10/16/28 hulls.

[@jjenson2006]

+314299 Shooting Channel They do press out again, but you have to use a very small dab at the right spot. The first one I did, I used a whole drop and when I tried to press it out for another reloading, the primer was in so tight that the whole tail end of the shell bent out of shape and I had to trash it. After that, I used the method described above and I haven't had any issues. They've been reloaded multiple times and press out exactly the same as if they were pressed in.

[@314299]

+jjenson2006 That's an interesting tip, thanks for passing it on, I'm sure it will come in handy at some point.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Awesome man, thanks for this video. Didn't even know that this product existed.

[@314299]

It's not a tool that gets a lot of use in my reloading room, except with the harder to replace hulls.

[@dcarkhuf]

I did not either I thought I was going to have to let my Italian shells sit untill I could fork out the money to order Cheddite or Foicchi primers online.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

I only have access to "american" primers and will be running mostly S&B and Rio hulls, so hopefully this will tighten them up enough to be usable. That hazmat fee is brutal unless you're buying hundreds of dollars worth of primers at once. I have one on the way that will hopefully ill be here this week.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

same here. Local place only carries Federal primers and they fall right out of the Rio hulls I had load data for.

[@leslienickerson176]

Rio, Cheddite and Fiocchi primers are larger than american 209's

[@314299]

Leslie Nickerson Cheddite are about .001" bigger and Rio must be bigger still as Cheddite dont fit properly in Rio hulls.

[@dcarkhuf]

That looks alot cheaper than trying to find Cheddite or Fiocchi Primers, for my Italian shells

[@jungleno.]

NSI/Nobel Sport are the largest.

[@MrFloogy]

Pretty obscure tool, looks useful though. "Wanna see my pocket peener?"

[@314299]

In today's uptight world you might get charged for some sort of offense for saying that...

[@joehunt1980]

Cool, looks like a worthy thing to spin up next time im out in my workshop.. It certainly looks more purposeful than the rusty old bolt and block of wood I have used in the past. Whew 10 gauge huh.. I bet that makes a mess of clay pigeons!

[@314299]

Should be a simple project for guy like you to turn out on the lathe. I dont have a "proper" 10 gauge at the moment, all I have is an old black powder proofed side by side hammer 10 with 2-7/8" chambers.

[@joehunt1980]

314299 Shooting Channel Videos like this are definitely good inspiration for a tinkerer.. Wow that sounds like a beast, I guess you are rolling your own black powder cartridges for the old girl?

[@314299]

joehunt1980 BP shells are the plan, I've not fired the old beast yet. Fiber wads are a challenge to find for 10 gauge.

[@joehunt1980]

314299 Shooting Channel I guess ordering in wads from circle fly is not viable? I have had good results punching out my own Fibre cushion wads from 6mm cork flooring tiles (my go to for .410) and have even made paper cushion wads for 12 gauge.. Which are fun to play with but kinda takes a bit long to make so still tinkering with the process.. Interestingly Circle fly 10 gauge Fibre wads run at 20mm diameter so a 20mm hole punch should do the trick if you choose to punch out your wads..

[@314299]

joehunt1980 Ordering some Circle Fly wads would be the sensible thing to do. I should get some .410 wads from them while I'm at it.

[@brome306]

I needed a tool to make primer pockets larger. Had some old Remington 10 gauge hulls with undersize pockets for 209 primers.......Had to ream out the plastic inside the pocket with a screw driver that fit. Did not have right size drill available. Don't recommend this method if you have many hulls to do......lol.

[@314299]

Your old Remington hulls were sized to fit the Remington 97 primer which was .227", modern "209" size primers are .244". I have lots of the Remington 97 size primers but no hulls and you had the hulls and no primers - that's the way the world works sometimes.

[@kirkboswell2575]

209 primers are supposed to be the same regardless of who makes them.......I don't find that completely true. It seems that European made 209's are a whisker bigger than those made here. They actually work fine in all applications - shot shells, black powder in lines, etc. - but if you are switching from European made to US made, you will find (At least I have) that the primer pockets are looser than before. Just enough to notice. I have run into this with pellet makers too - just a whisker looser fit with US made pellets compared to European made. Not enough to interfere with things, but enough for me to notice. I've always chalked this up to "not quite perfect" conversion from metric to English measurements. I've never had a need for a tool like this, but I've told myself more than once that I should put one in my tool box. This video has proven to me that I should do more than just tell myself to do something.....😐

[@nambuiphuong8045]

Có hàng bán ko ạ hạt nổ súng hoa cải ạ

[@314299]

? English please.

[@vickysran1562]

Pls tell me primer size sir

[@314299]

Standard size 209 type primer.

[@curtisdowling3773]

BPI still sells them .

[@314299]

Yes, I mentioned that in the description.

[@curtisdowling3773]

Rio hulls need Rio primers . The Rio primers are bigger than all others on purpose to get people to buy their primers!!!!

[@314299]

I guess that might work if they sold their primers where I live, but they don't.

[@davidwagner8652]

good video

[@314299]

Thanks.

[@arunpradhan5498]

Nice

[@314299]

Thanks.

[@gman77gas]

check out LANES LOADING....LANES RELOADING for reloading 410 to 10 gauge kits...copy of old Lee loading kit....They work....I have the 410 and 10 kits from him...

[@celticdude4686]

Nice. I just ordered one from BPI $24.00 with shipping. MAGA !

[@atctron]

Thank you

[@johnanderson186]

Their* damn KZbin won’t let me edit, and I’m not retyping that entire comment. Lol

[@314299]

I dont blame you!

[@phoenixssd5491]

for new hull go to www.ballisticproducts.com/10-gauge-hulls/products/75/ www.ballisticproducts.com/16-gauge-hulls/products/77/

[@padambohara9503]

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[@314299]

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