319: Deer Hunting Tips For Beginners

[@mikethomas4628]

I love my ruger m77 270. Been super reliable and does it’s job

[@clintonlayne9253]

Ron it's a good thing that there is a strong following for the 308. With all the fan fair that the 6.5 CM receives.

[@jfess1911]

The main reason that the 6.5 Creedmoor took off was that it was designed as a 1000-yard target cartridge and suddenly shooters were hitting targets at 500 yards and beyond that they couldn't before. It took advantage of modern machining techniques, chamber design, bullets and propellants that simply were not available 50-100 years ago when traditional hunting cartridges were developed. The fact that it has less recoil than many of those traditional hunting cartridges also helped. There is nothing wrong with a 30-06, 270 or 308 and with advancements in powders and bullets they are now better than ever. Sometimes you can develop a load that is incredibly accurate for your traditional hunting rifle, but for decades, a 2-3" group at 100yards was good enough. It is also possible to buy "match" barrels for these faithful workhorses to improve the average accuracy, although it will cost you. The 6.5 Creedmoor just made it easy to get a reliably accurate rifle that could shoot most factory ammo well at regular retail prices.

[@georgerector9252]

On the subject of pressure in the 357 mag. Back in my foolish younger days I tried my hand at reloading that cartridge. I had a load of 125 grain bullet traveling 1600+ fps (chrono’ed) out of 6” K frame S&W revolver. Problem was it bradded the primer into the recoil bushing and to sheared off primer to open the cylinder. I put the loads away. When a friend called later on a Christmas morning to see if I had any 357 mags to go in a lever action he had gotten that morning. Mistakenly I gave him the reloads. No chronograph this time but the cases completely separated at the point where the sizing die stopped above the rim. Lesson learned without human injuries.

[@vodekz1534]

I am another 308 win guy, but for two reasons: I do relod and the barrles hold longer. I like to go to rifle range 2-3 times a month. Good companents are avaible for reloader. I hunt deer and black bear distances less then 200 yards.

[@Honkers716]

If you hunt deer and black bear AND if you can use a shotgun, you might like the Savage 220. It has great accuracy up to 250-ish yards and it leaves a hole as big as quarter or more.

[@chunglow7646]

@@Honkers716 Enlightenment please. What is Maker of Model? TY

[@Honkers716]

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[@Honkers716]

@@chunglow7646 The make is a Savage. And the model is 220. Savage 220 is what you're looking for And they sell for about $550-ish brand new And did I mention I has a detachable magazine and is bolt operated. So changing over from a rifle is second nature bc they operate the same way

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

​@chunglow7646 He said the brand/model is Savage 220

[@blueduck9409]

I enjoy your videos Ron. Keep up the good work.

[@lylewalters909]

Ron I will see you there!!

[@Bænik]

Great video!

[@davidderr2662]

Once again great info. Thanks.

[@jaydunbar7538]

The 270 can recoil like a mule, your spoiled Ron with good rifles lol I know my old savage got to the point I couldn’t hardly stand to shoot it, turns out that recoil pad through the decades had basically turned into a rock. Swapping to a new limbsaver pad changed it into a whole different rifle and now it’s a pleasure to shoot again, and I’d been thinking for decades that it was just me getting older thinking it kicked more then it used to lol

[@mbowmanvfd]

😂😂

[@jaydunbar7538]

Yes the Winchester and hodgdon powders are the same with different names, exactly the same in fact since hodgdon makes and distributes Winchester powders.

[@jfess1911]

Hodgdon does not actually manufacture any powders. They repackage them. If you ever wonder who actually makes a powder, you can refer to the "Safety Data Sheet" for that powder. If I remember correctly, all Hodgdon, Winchester and IMR powders are made by St. Marks Powder in Florida, General Dynamics in Quebec Canada and ADI in Australia.

[@alpham777]

Also if you do go hog wild with the .357 rifle loads make sure they are clearly marked for rifle use only lol.

[@glockparaastra]

14.5" on a 6.5CM you may as well look at the 6.5 Grendel in a 20" Howa Mini Action in an Oryx chassis. Great package. 100gr TTSX will do the job.

[@jfess1911]

According to one of the moderators on the 6.5 Grendel site, you would need a 24" Grendel to approach 14.5" Creedmoor velocity. You would end up with a longer rifle than the suppressed Creedmoor.

[@EAZY-ME]

Perigrin bullets are cooper alloy. They have an interesting gold color to them So i suspect they have more tin but not enough to consider them brass. They do sell brass solids however it seems they use mostly copper and a zinc alloy but not enough to not call it a copper bullet. Peregrin bullets are advertised as copper lead free bullets.

[@theblindsniper9130]

As a military surplus guy, that is pretty much all i load for. Those old cals can do quite a lot, would love more content of the cartridge of yesterday! It is pretty much all I film myself now a days

[@BullseyeBenR]

I %100 agree that the best and most versatile round is the 30-06!

[@mikethomas4628]

270 is right up there it’s a really good Deer and elk round and very accurate

[@BullseyeBenR]

@@mikethomas4628 true dat

[@willieungerer4312]

Spot on with the Peregrine bullets. They’re a company out from South Africa(monolithic)

[@waynebrown2546]

It's funny how everyone argues what is the best this gun, best that gun. If it sufficient for the job, you like what you like and in the end most of hitting the target is liking your gun. I spent years trying to "adapt" to family heirlooms that we just not set up from me. The family Mantra is "so and so shot X number of deer just fine the way it is" Until one day when I continued to have Jamming issues on one of them, I said the heck with it and went and bought me a Ruger and had the optics I WANTED put on it. Always thought I just wasn't that good. Now handloading and laughing at the rest of the clan at how small my groups are, compared to the family "experts"

[@Russ1tonram]

Does that faster twist rate .270 have a longer throat to accommodate those longer bullets?

[@jfess1911]

I have been doing some checking and I have not seen or heard anything about a different chamber being used on the Browning fast-twist 270's. Some of the high-BC 277 bullets have longer ogives than traditional designs which would work fine in a normal SAAMI throat even though the OAL would be a bit longer. A Browning rep did say that the magazine would be able to take longer-than-SAAMI loads, though.

[@garypowell9006]

Ron, does the central nervous system mass run behind the high shoulder in all of the ungulates?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Gosh Gary, I think the central nervous system in all ungulates is the brain, but according to my research, the collection of branching nerve fibers known as the brachial plexus comes off the spine roughly above and slightly forward of the high shoulder in all ungulates. These send control information to the muscles of the front legs and lower neck. The Cardiac or solar plexus is above the heart, but that's the same area in which sit the huge coronary arteries. Strike here and you initiate massive hemorrhaging that likely kills rapidly regardless of struck nerve response. Most of my high heart shot ungulates stand or run for several seconds before succumbing to falling blood pressure. The very few that collapse as if pole axed, I assume, were influenced by kinetic energy shocking the cardiac plexus. The more common collapse from a high shoulder shot is due to striking the brachial plexus and/or, more significantly, the spinal column itself, which plunges down from the backline into the neck just in front of the shoulder. A hit here is a double edged sword, usually impacting the nervous system plus the lungs. The only drawback is meat damage to the high shoulder and/or forward loin muscle. However, there is not all that much major muscle on the high shoulder. Better to assure a dead deer right there with some damaged muscle than a minimally damaged deer that escapes!

[@garypowell9006]

Thank you.

[@norulesrandy]

Hey Ron, where can i find that slick blue button up shirt?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

In my closet. Seriously, I don't know. It's an oldie but goodie my wife found for me many hears ago. Haven't been able to find another like it since. Might have to hire a custom tailor!

[@jackdundon2261]

I had a neighbor who would load his 44 Blackhawk so hot. He had to use a Dow and a hammer to drive the empty brass out. That might be a little bit excessive pressure!!! The Nosler manual HAS a special .357 load data for STRONG LEVER ACTIONS. (And you can get 180 grain hard cast, loaded to +P levels) they SCOOT, but, NEVER EVER EVER shoot them in a hand gun. (A Blackhawk MIGHT take it, but it's the ONLY revolver that MIGHT). Don't overload your revolver, even by accident.

[@mr.mr.3301]

Makes me wonder why we don’t have +p rifle cartridges like we do with pistols.

[@garypowell9006]

Have you read Wanderings of an Elephant Hunter by Bell of Africa?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Yes I have, Gary. Several times. Wonderful adventures he had.

[@hammerheadms]

Atta boy Jack from dah U.P.! But you mispronounced the "great white Nort". Cheers from Flint 🍻!

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

That short barreled suppressed 6.5 is definitely an odd combination. It was my understanding from aprevious comment that when fired through a 16 inch barrel its already lost a lot of it's charm.

[@paulsouth4794]

Yeah Narr Ron .. 308 will allways be the chip of the ol 06 block .. 61gr of ADI 2209 behind a 150gr SST , Im getting 3200fps from a Rem 783 .. still playing with seating depth to guage accuracy. I have a ladder test with the 180gr rem cor lok to get through next week . 😊

[@jfess1911]

You had me confused for a moment, there. I was trying to figure out how on earth you crammed that much powder into a 308 before I realized you were talking about a 30-06.🤔 In the US, ADI 2209 is sold as H4350. When I checked into the history of the 308, it turned out that the US Army wanted basically the same performance that they had from the 30-06 back in 1906. The improvements in propellants made that possible in the smaller case. Of course we have had 70 more years to improve since then.

[@ca2129]

“Your .308 is living in the 30-06 world” 😂😂😂 I have a .308 because I mostly hunt steel plates! The savage Hog Hunter .308 is the poor mans safari gun!

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

Once you get to bullets 180 grains and heavier, the .308 does not have the powder capacity to push them as fast as the '06 can. With lighter bullets, she'll run neck and neck.

[@jfess1911]

The 30-06 has a little more case capacity and runs at roughly the same pressure as the 308, so it can be loaded faster with modern powders. The point was that, given the improvements in propellants over the past century, a modern 308 can outperform what was seen from the 30-06 in its early years. Jack O'Conner started writing in the 1930's, so a modern 308 can easily do anything his 30-06 could do back then.

[@linkbond08]

Yes the 308 can do now what the 30-06 did 50 years ago, but the 30-06 can do now what the 300wm could do 50 years ago, and the same goes for the 300wm.

[@jaydunbar7538]

Only if your a hand loader, 06 has a lower pressure limit so the factory loads are lackluster by comparison. Not that you can go wrong with either, but I’ll stick with my .270 because it’s clearly better :P

[@linkbond08]

@@jaydunbar7538 I'll have you know 😏 the 06 and 270 cases are the same except for the neck dia, and the actions are the same, therefore both can be pushed to 62k psi, the only reason the spec for 06 is 60k is as a safeguard for older rifles since it's been around much longer, and to not over exert the gas system of the M1 Garand 😘, ppu even makes a M1G dedicated 150gr load with even lower peak pressure, that by the way it's a joy to shoot. No hate on the 270 at all, I started hunting with a 270 at 16, but I got tired of tracking.

[@jfess1911]

The main issue with the 308 is that many of them use the SAAMI-spec 1-in-12" twist rifling whereas the 30-06 typically has a 1-in-10" twist. This means that they cannot use the same heavy bullets. Then again, it could be argued that modern bonded or monolithic bullets can make up for that by being more effective for a lighter weight. Otherwise, a modern 308 can easily match the velocity of early 1900's 30-06 loads with 180 grain and lighter bullets.

[@Russ1tonram]

All my .308s have been 1in10 rifling. Haven seen a 1in 12 since the 70s unless specially ordered. For varminting.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

I'm pretty sure 1-in-10 is standard and been so for decades.

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

Both of my 308 are 1:10 as well

[@jfess1911]

@@sinisterthoughts2896 The SAAMI spec is still a 1-in-12, although it is listed as "optional". (Yes, I am a big enough nerd to keep the SAAMI specs on my computer.) Unfortunately, that means almost all factory ammo will be loaded for the slower twist. Faster twist is mainly something that is useful to handloaders or those who use monolithic bullets (they tend to open more quickly with faster twist). A principle reason to buy one of the newer cartridges is that the SAAMI spec, and thus factory ammo can take advantage of faster twist and "match-style" chamber designs.

[@davidlaney8254]

Was this video mislabeled? I didn't find any tips on hunting deer but only questions and answers concerning rifles and ammo.

[@Alfs_Armory]

Most cartridges are good in one situation or another. 308 is not 30-06 and can’t be, it doesn’t have the case capacity. That doesn’t make it a slouch at all though, still great all the way out to moderately long range 800-1000 if you are willing to put in the time. Know your tool and it’s limits and, above all, practice and become proficient.

[@jfess1911]

The point is that the 308 with current powders and bullets outperforms the 30-06 when it first came out, or when Jack O'Conner first wrote about it in the 1930's. In fact, the specs for the 7.62x51 (308) in 1952 slightly exceeded the original 1906 30-06 load that was used through WWI. Both cartridges have just gotten better over the years. The advancements in propellants and bullets have also made the best modern 30-06 loads about equal to the original 300 Win Mag loads. Hunters were excited by the performance of the 300 Win Mag in the early 1960's. Now they can get that with a 30-06.

[@galenhisler396]

I don't need a faster twist for my 270 it's killed everything I'll ever kill and more and holds its own with many of the new cartridges. Hopefully gun manufacturers will make a 100yr anniversary rifles in 2025 with wood stocks

[@danhandke5012]

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[@jimb8904]

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[@BustedLimbOutdoors]

How you gonna call my guy Lyle “some Fungi” ???

[@JamesJustice1957]

hope that guy building the 6.5 gets his tax stamp before building that14 inch rifle. Otherwise he may a surprise from the ATF.

[@chunglow7646]

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[@JamesJustice1957]

I know they have to pin and weld to make legal but there was no mention of that. @@chunglow7646

[@erickelly5395]

RON, PLEASE STOP PRESENTING A SMALL SEGMENT AS THE TITLE OF THE EPISODE.

[@divedeep2580]

Sadly he needs to for the algarythem to get as many views as possible, every chanel does it

[@johnrhoades4366]

Ron don't listen to @erickelly5395 and do what you need to do for the terrible algorithm to work for you!

[@m444ss]

I can't imagine why anyone would ever exceed load info in reloading manuals. Well, I can imagine it, but seems quite foolish.

[@alexmorris3106]

308 forever, if you look for recoil you will find it, Eck usmc