32 NHL Players Who Are Heavily Debated by Fans

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[@zachpower2192]

Hart is as old now as most goalies are when they enter the NHL. The bumps he’s shown in his development are common ones, we just don’t normally see goalies go through them because they’re in the AHL or Europe.

[@InsignificantNick]

I was waiting for Binnington to throw a bottle at Shannon during this video.

[@SkyFellowship]

Shannon is white so he never would

[@thebaconmanthony]

​@@SkyFellowshipI don't think Jordan Binnington is racist, you just want to hate him

[@galifianakis2808]

Shannon : do i look nervous?

[@Zbruhhhh]

@@SkyFellowship Really bro? Nobody likes that clown, he's a well known dirty player. Race card denied.

[@gocanuckurself1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ryandunn8248]

Most people who say Larkin is not a first line center don’t understand he’s never had a elite winger in his career but still puts up 70 + points while playing great two way game each year

[@JoJo-ke5yz]

Yeah he has done as well as he has with the team with the absolute worst record over the last 7 years. Every time Stevie Y makes a good move my second thought it always how its going to be beneficial to Larkins game. I think he can be a first line center on a contending team...if he was on one.

[@scummydummy]

Dude. I'm sticking to larks hitting 90, maybe more

[@ryandunn8248]

@@scummydummy I agree bro

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

Larkin's defense has improved of the past few years which he desperately needed to do but I wouldn't say he's playing a great two way game just yet. Solid 1c though.

[@GG-ng6zm]

first line players shouldn’t need elite players to produce. Elite players will be ppg regardless. Larkin is a second liner

[@dorksn]

I fully expected Lafrenière on the board so I guess I’m surprised with Trouba. One can say I did not see him coming 😂

[@munaclassic4020]

I think Covid 19 really screwed up his on ice development or at least killed his momentum.

[@unoriginal7392]

Neither did Timo Meier

[@rivahkillah]

​@@unoriginal7392Khaira

[@jma.87]

​@@unoriginal7392no he didn't, but it didn't make a difference in the series either.

[@unoriginal7392]

@@jma.87oh yeah I know, just saying lol. My lightning didn’t do so hot so I need to focus somewhere else 😂

[@lankancheetah]

Dallas I think Jamie Benn will get a lot of debate, especially considering the playoffs. His team won when he wasn’t in the lineup and lost with him in.

[@jonathansiegel6386]

He blew the playoffs for his team with that one hit.

[@lankancheetah]

I’m glad you chose Marner for the leafs; hometown kid definitely gets the most debate.

[@darrelladams4886]

In Edmonton it’s definitely Darnell Nurse. People are calling for his head after most games and his contract hurts the team. His upside doesn’t seem to make up for his weak points which are only compounded by how much he plays. While I personally question how good Stuart skinner is quite often I found he was generally popular and treated as solid by fans and the media.

[@rivahkillah]

There's debate about that?

[@thiccboikyle4191]

I think you’ve got a majority in the camp of Nurse detractors, that’s why

[@adamyounis93]

His contract is so bad. Him and Campbell contracts hurt them so much

[@cptjeff1]

He's a perfectly decent NHL defenseman. But he's getting paid about $3 million a year than he should be. He's not a #1D level talent, nor is particularly close to it, but he's being paid as one of the league's elite players, something he simply is not.

[@ryanhobbs7041]

Totally agree but Skinner is also a good too cause there’s lots of talk about him being a difference between a cup or nothing

[@Heirrick108]

As a Leafs fan I think it should be Rielly. All season long there is so much debate regarding how much he is worth his contract, which is only made worse when we see just how good he is in the playoffs. Totally understand the Marner pick but to me I think Reilly gets more debated by Leafs fans.

[@jordanholmes9943]

Honorable mention for Gibson in Anaheim. I hope an improvement in the defense brings back some of his numbers from years past.

[@markroberts9577]

Really enjoyed this video let's wait and see two months in to see how accurate your pics are

[@KabukiClub]

I enjoyed watching Georgiev whenever he played in NY, miss having him on the team sometimes. I hope he continues to do well in Colorado.

[@mikepanick9362]

Our fanbase abused him, I hope he fared better with the Avalanche.

[@lesleychisholm9326]

I don't think many Avs fans have doubts about him. He's proved himself solid in the net and is just growing into his number 1 position. I'm happy he's around for the next two years, hopefully he won't price himself off the team after that!

[@thepivotguy1123]

Can’t really say caufield gets injured a lot when he’s only been injured once. I don’t think that injury would’ve been season ending had the habs not been going for a high pick

[@TheHockeyGuy]

www.capfriendly.com/injury/players/cole-caufield He's been injured more than once and, due to his smaller stature, that is something to watch.

[@thepivotguy1123]

Dec 12th is the shoulder injury that eventually led to getting surgery, and a one week injury during preseason isn’t exacting flipping the narrative in my opinion, but really it’s all conjecture till time tells all

[@whoshotashleybabbitt4924]

I remember not hopping on the McDavid hype train. Then i saw him in person, skate through the entire Columbus team. First game back from a broken collar bone. Doubt was non existent after that!

[@gregc8483]

St Louis Fan here. Binnington gets the hate outside of the STL Krug and Kyrou get it from within 😂

[@LucicPower]

Why Krug? We loved him on Boston

[@davidowen225]

Kuznetsov showed up to camp today limping. He said it is a small thing that will be taken care of in a couple of days, whatever that means. He finished last in his group in his skate test today. They said it was obvious he is injured. Thanks Shannon, your videos are awesome.

[@poooky321]

As a Blues fan, I have zero questions about Robert Thomas. Surprised that you had considered him for this list. He is a top ten passer in the NHL.

[@Itsloco314]

You may be more hopeful than others bc the number he is being paid he should be producing more points. Goes for him and Kyrou. They are the stars and have to be the playmaker and scorer.

[@grimstudio_]

I'm shocked you didn't say jt Miller in Vancouver... we all love huggie bear

[@ryanmatthew8491]

Same. Hughes was like the opposite of heavily debated....he went under the radar. Fans are constantly debating Miller and it feels like it's half on his side and half against him.

[@NRTHKR]

Even if you only look at his stats, Hagel is not overpaid, $6.5M for 60+ points is pretty damn fair, especially when you know that players are getting twice this while not even posting twice as many points, but once you also add in the context that Hagel is one of the hardest working players in the entire league it makes even more sense. Chicago were fools to trade him even if though they got good returns.

[@whoshotashleybabbitt4924]

Foolish? They got Bedard in the end. When you tank, you tank HARD. Everyone with value must go!

[@SandwichMan1764]

Currently amongst blues fans the most debated player is Kyrou.

[@mason698]

As a blues fan, everything you said about Binner's numbers reflecting the defense is so true though.. LOL idc what none of yall say I love my netminder

[@chrisbelos2834]

Stanley Cup champion. he's the best they ever had in St-Louis and that's a hard fact.

[@JustinRock]

How's his numbers been since then? Let's see Hill's stats over the next two years compared to Binnington post cup.

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

For some of these teams, like Vancouver and Toronto: the entire team.

[@philtorrez4198]

I used to watch Hill in Tucson, before and after he got ice time with the Coyotes. Crazy to see what he’s accomplished over a relatively short period of time, and the weird path it took to get him to a Stanley Cup. He is not a top goalie, but he is absolutely capable of turning it on from time to time and stealing some goals. He did exactly that in the playoffs, but don’t expect a stellar performance over a full season. He is equally capable of letting in some floaters and just being off. I’ve seen it all. Best of luck to him though!

[@shawndoom]

Jamie Benn saw the title and started sweating...

[@Joe_Ma99]

That’s who I thought he’d have for Dallas.

[@ryanmatthew8491]

Gotta be Kotkaniemi for the Canes Also shocked no J.T. Miller or Nurse lol

[@cptjeff1]

Almost a decade since McDavid came into the NHL? The kid has only been in the NHL for... uh, 8 seasons. Crap, how did that happen?

[@SurfingTheSoundwaves]

As an Oilers lifer, I gotta' say I am surprised a bit that Nurse wasn't chosen. I like the guy well enough, but can't believe he'll ever be a 10-million dollar man. With his proven inconsistency, even at 5 million a year I'd have an issue. Skinner isn't nearly as controversial, and much more consistent, going game-by-game last year, compared to Darnell

[@DantesTyphoon]

I am surrounded by hardcore MN Wild fans and Matt Dumba was the most highly controversial player and most seem happy he's gone. It's not that people say he's bad but for a team with huge cap issues Dumba's salary to value ratio did not make people happy. It's an interesting topic when a good player is still looked at as detrimental due to either pay or a injury prone history. With him gone among MN fans I'd have to say Fleury is debated most with how Gustavsson performed

[@tomchamberlain4329]

Larkin is hugely underrated by both Detroit fans and other fans. The reason we have the debate is mai ly comparisons to Yzerman and Fedorov. Obviously they were better. But that's no reason to take shots at Larkin who is one of the better all round players in the NHL especially considering his defensive game and ability to lift his teammates and affect the game in all areas of the ice. Great player, totally underappreciated by the majority imo. However, to have him as a 2C is absolutely the dream, that would be amazing.

[@rosariocannistraro3561]

I'm a Canes fan ,Yeah! those guys were better but played on infinitely better teams and with better players than Larkin has .

[@tomchamberlain4329]

@@rosariocannistraro3561 Agreed. I guess my point is that the comparisons are pointless, different era, completely different team. Larkin's a great player in his own right and deserves more respect. I think his game and leadership lends itself ideally to the 2C role but talent-wise he is a 1C, and a good one. He is very very underrated all over hockey fandom.

[@GG-ng6zm]

@@tomchamberlain4329if he was a 1c he would be ppg

[@Bp_2900]

@@GG-ng6zmhe was one point off a ppg last year buddy😂😂

[@vipeholmskolan6052]

If this was done in a ranking format, I would put Binnington on top.

[@byaialele5916]

I think for Sens fans, Sanderson isn't debated? He's celebrated by the vast majority, we seriously love him. I think the debate is between other fanbases viewing from the outside - in. Between Sens fans, I think the most debated player is actually Chabot. People shit on him to no end and even talk about getting rid of him which is just insane imo. Only reason hes talked about like that is because he was literally our only good D-man for so long, playing 30 minutes a night so the expectations became insane. Pretty sure 6/10 of the TOI records is held by Chabot lol

[@Jay-fl5yr]

I think both opinions on Binnington you described are true. I think he’s acted like a baby and has gotten away from the stone-cold persona he had that let him push to a cup. But I still have full faith in him as a starting goalie and will point to his performance in the 2022 playoffs when people say 2019 was just a flash in the pan. I’m also in the camp that our defense was atrocious last year and hung him out to dry constantly.

[@rtdude1]

I have a feeling the D is gonna be atrocious again this year sadly…

[@Jay-fl5yr]

@@rtdude1 it would be nice to give more ice time to the younger pieces like Perunovich and Tucker. There HAS to be a shakeup in the top 4.

[@rtdude1]

@@Jay-fl5yr Yeah I agree

[@terskatti4994]

Shittington will crumble again under pressure 🤣

[@Jay-fl5yr]

@@terskatti4994 have a good day!

[@Kabole0]

For New Jersey I would have said Bratt, near the end of out playoff run fans were calling for his head.

[@ryanahr2267]

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with Skinny being the point of debate for Sabres fans. He was obviously incredible that first year but I don't really blame him for the next two years. One year he was on possibly the worst second line in hockey, and then he got moved down to a 4th line that had plenty of heart but zero offensive ability. If you watched any games during that stretch (totally understandable if you didn't; I mean, I barely did) you'd see the effort he was putting in each game. He just didn't have the help he needed. Last year and the year before last he finally got on a line that fit him and, lo and behold, he was back to form. The bigger debate by far has raged around Casey Mittlestadt. Mitts showed tons of potential early on but then a combination noted hockey terrorist Ralph Kreuger and injuries seemed to completely ruin him. This last season in particular was a roller coaster. In the first half of the year both Mitts and Oloffson were massive defensive liabilities. Then, in the latter part of the second half of the season, Mitts was called upon for bigger minutes as some of Buffalo's top forwards ended up being in and out of the lineup with injuries. Much to the surprise of everyone, myself included, Mitts slowly cleaned up his game and ended up being a 50 point player by the end of the year. He's earned the benefit of the doubt but, to me, he still has a lot to prove.

[@coriicqel-dorren7943]

As a flames fan, I only really want one thing noted that I do not think enough people talk about (because obviously it is rightly overshadowed by everything else) I kept a running tally for most of last season. Hubby definitely suffered due to who he was playing with being unable to finish. I got as high as 25 points he really should have had from assists. It’s not much, but that would have put him at 80pts for 77 games played. Yes, it would likely have still been an underwhelming season. But he gave his teammates chances and it needs to be acknowledged.

[@Dawg476]

Do we have any updates about the team Canada investigation? Thought they would be done investigating by now

[@jasonpaul4308]

i appreciate Z being the reason this video was even made and it's very topical haha but i do think, overall, gibby is the ducks player most debated...is he a super star? is he average? does he have an attitude problem? are his poor numbers due to a terrible team? etc...

[@jeremyday212]

If I want to win a game 7 I want Binner. He can only carry a team for so long. In the big games he is money. It took Kadri to take him out to win that series in 2022. The fans love his passion and heart here. Funny that Ed Belfour gets the pass and Binner does not.

[@Ryyder64]

Funny when you said a goaltender is a cop out, but as a devils fan I knew there was nobody on our team remotely close to debatable other than V lol.

[@michaelbecker2435]

vanny and Schmid might be Jerseys only weakness this year.

[@JeikobuNippon]

I’m sort of surprised you chose Georgiev for the Avs, although your argument makes some sense. I think he has already proven though that he is a #1. He just has to keep it up. I think, as an Avs fan who has spent a lot of time in the community, a better choice might be Sam Girard. There are a lot of fans in his corner who love him, and then there are a lot of fans who say he stinks and should go. He seems to be the most divisive player on the ice for Colorado.

[@dem1s3]

I'm a huge fan of Binnington, he's the reason the Wings got Husso. 🙂

[@mikewalker120]

Who is debating Robert Thomas? Parayko is the most debated player on the team, catches hell for his numbers, even though he takes some of the most defensive starts among all dmen. Switch his zone starts with Faulk & Blues fans would have a new whipping boy.

[@benbaxter2061]

The nhl isnt at all concerned with hits trouba throws regardless of how far he charges and how much of the head he gets. He and parros must be like reeeeal close.

[@HockeyFan102]

As a kings fan I want to see dubois to step up and be the player he should! Also shannon when are the Jersey power rankings!!!

[@Meerkatx5]

Figured Benn over Heiskanen for Dallas. I never hear anyone say Heiskanen isn't worth the money while I hear that about Benn at times.

[@psynque]

I thought it would've been Robertson. I'm not really sold on Robertson being anything but a good winger playing with very hard working, great linemates.

[@Meerkatx5]

@@psynque I agree that Robertson benefits greatly from his line mates. He is not the skater that many other top forwards are. He's still a steal as his current price though. If his numbers drop after he resigns to a big contract then I think you will hear some debate.

[@psynque]

@@Meerkatx5 Yeah, my take was probably a bit too spicy. I've just seen a lot of people pumping Robertsons tires when the play driver of that line last season was Hintz and before that it was always Pavelski.

[@mathieuroy1301]

Caufield had a preventive surgery to his shoulder because the season wasn't going anywhere anyway. I disagree with people saying he gets injured a lot; he could have finished the season. It was preventive and smart the way they did it. It's legit the first time...

[@stevencooke1027]

I think it was a smart move. Get it repaired and hopefully the problem never recurs. When the Habs become a playoff contender he wouldn't sacrifice half a season for surgery. I think Matthews who had some sort of wrist issue that probably needed a season off, but because they were a playoff team, he could only take a short break.

[@gsipp00]

What can be said...Marner, Hagel and Heiskanen three of my favorite players.

[@Thisisbailie]

Marner is the magician

[@isaacwest276]

Being in Edmonton it has to be Nurse for me. I think everybody's forgotten that Bubble Nurse was legit one of the best players in the league, but since signing that contract he's never lived up to it. That said I still think he's been exceptional since then with a tendency to do something very boneheaded, but his linemates for the past two years were Barrie and Ceci, so I think you're going to be made to look dumb a lot when you have to make up for Barrie's and Ceci's defensive mistakes for years.

[@tastethejace]

The "wow is he overpaid" reactions for the Lightning is Sergachev, not Hagel.

[@Meuracas]

Two words: Ci Relli

[@jackhartmann1084]

Spurgeon is awesome to watch in a goal deficit late game... He is very good at coming up in the play to help score a goal when it's needed most.

[@mikewalker120]

I'm a Blues fan that is always impressed by Spurgeon ever since I realized how small the guy is.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@@mikewalker120 Yeah. Height is always an issue with dmen but it's Spurgeon's weight that's incredible to me.

[@mikewalker120]

@@RandomPlaceHolderName exactly. 167 pounds & the guy puts up workhorse minutes with a majority of defensive starts. He's an anomaly in the league. Much respect

[@oilersridersbluejays]

I get the Skinner thing even though I am a believer in his goaltending myself (like really, he was considered a rookie last season so I think he did quite well considering). I think the most polarizing player in Edmonton is Nurse. There is a sizeable camp that loves him, a sizeable camp that is on the fence about him (including me), and a sizeable camp that can’t stand him. As it stands, he is overplayed by about 2 to 3 million per annum, but it would be a noticeable difference if he left. I would dare say that Edmonton’s best defenceman is Ekholm.

[@geoffreyallen9314]

Carter Hart is the backbone of Philadelphia. Has anyone seen this team play defense the last several seasons?

[@mikepanick9362]

Maybe a most underrated player on each team would be a good video. Hart for Philly, Kreider for NYR, etc.

[@BayBye2011]

Caufield will break out his season.. mark my word

[@jacp5628]

Caufield has played 83 games under St. Louis and had 48 goals in that timespan, including a stretch with a bum shoulder where he only scored at a 46 goal pace. He's definitely going to be a 50+ goal scorer at this rate.

[@GeoGolfer]

Did he say he gets injured a lot? Really? He’s had a grand total of one injury to date. They had him operated earlier in a meaningless season.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

Caufield's goalscoring isn't a worry - it's the rest of his game. Aside from getting open and his shot, his play is incredibly poor.

[@GeoGolfer]

@@RandomPlaceHolderName So....aside from scoring a sh!t ton of goals he's not great...I bet that's what you say about Ovi as well. I'll take a player like that every day and twice on Sunday.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@@GeoGolfer Oh boy, comparing Caufield and Ovi now? You're further gone than I believed possible.

[@GG-ng6zm]

⁠@@RandomPlaceHolderNameoh boy, comparing 2 snipers surprises you?

[@gingersnap3736]

My take on Schiefele is varied. The guy has talent for sure, but when called out on his play he pulls away instead of owning up to it. When he is frustrated, it shows by his play. He needs to make his aggression into smarter moves on the ice. To be fair, most thought Wheeler was the locker room problem. So with a well loved Lowry wearing the C, his words in the room should be positive ones. So now I see Schiefele after a summer of waiting for teams to be interested, and the interest wasn’t really there. We probably won’t ever know who asked what, but no team took the plunge. So now he comes into camp and I gotta say he looks focused. Talks about how he has no problem signing here, it’s his 13th jets camp after all. So let’s see if this will be a better year. He certainly is starting of right by wearing Jets gear in his interviews and leaving the Nike gear in the closet. It’s a start 😅

[@deansmith6593]

Vanecek was solid in the regular season. Only goalie besides Brodeur to win 30 games as a Devil. Really hope that he can elevate his game and not fall to peices in the playoffs this upcoming season.

[@Fatazz]

I think Wilson for Washington might be a bit more debated maybe. It's been quieter with him lately with the injury perhaps.

[@ssmith87]

Hurricanes fans think the refs are against their team…they now have Bunting

[@magenstaffarts]

Canes think. The Jackets KNOW the refs are out to get them

[@mastersquid20]

I would go with Girard in Colorado. The most polarizing player among fans

[@TheeVande]

As a Blues fan, I just want good goaltending first. Then we can reevaluate his antics, but generally I think he needs to chill out

[@forgettablelisa]

Jordan Binnington is our GGOAT imo, he was the guy in 2019 and people shouldn't forget it.

[@coldbepis6942]

Caufields had 1 injury...

[@that_guy0_0]

Hagel is fantastic. I'm so glad he's in Tampa. Not over paid

[@shawngillogly6873]

How about we say Binnington is his own worst enemy. When his head is screwed on straight, he's borderline elite. But he's too easily distracted. And I think he relies on reflexes over positioning. So any distraction means he's going to have a bad night. Wouldn't be surprised if EHM rated his consistency as low.

[@modeisin7]

For Edmonton I really thought you where gonna say Nurse

[@rivahkillah]

For him to be debatable someone would have to believe he's not way overpaid.

[@muddyotterspottery569]

As one of your 5% of viewers who are female, you saying guys or boys to refer to your collective viewership doesn’t bug me one bit. We girls are one of the boys because we are hockey obsessed anyway. Love your 32 team videos btw.

[@svperstar]

leafs fans forget marner was a 1st all team nhl RW two years in a row, right? first unit PK? potential 30/70 dude every year while in his (current) prime? you want him traded for who and what exactly that will equate to this? yeah, i dont like his cap hit (based on when he signed it), but money could be spent in way worse ways. at least it is "spent" on what he brings and not (name some player making way more than he is worth).

[@maxfish4270]

There is no debate if the officials have it out for Carolina. It's been at least half a decade of bad calls that don't get evened out.

[@brentm9848]

Marner is by far my favourite Leaf and probably my favourite player in the league now that Carey Price is definitely gone

[@TheGeekyandproud]

Really love how you said Spurgeon was underrated! He absolutely does not get enough attention from fans or the media and its so nice to hear someone acknowledge that

[@ShannonFerguson]

I would have picked Nylander would have been your Leaf pick, Shannon.

[@D0VES0AP]

for the hawks id say seth jones bc of his contract but what hawks fans dont realize is we have a ton of cap space and arnet focusing on contending for a while down the road that contract becomes more tradeable with the cap rising

[@catello99]

Agreed. Jones was the one that came to my mind for the Hawks

[@Yo_Adrienne]

Yes, within the team's fan base, Jones is the most controversial, mainly because of his contract, along with the various trade circumstances that brought him there. Most of the Bedard debate comes from outside of the the Hawks' fan base, and is dominated by those who are mad that their team didn't get to draft him.

[@D0VES0AP]

@@Yo_Adrienne idk why people cant just be happy for the kid all i see online is “hes too small” “hes gonna get killed against the big guys” i think wishing something like that on an 18 year old just bc he doesnt play for your favorite is weird lets just all enjoy the hockey

[@soup5174]

Bro its not skinner, he's only in his 2nd year. That's a hail Mary to avoid talking about Nurse

[@nickholmes5610]

Once again thank you for the dedication and hard work Shannon 🙏🏻

[@TheFusionmix]

I agree that Heiskanen is not on Makar or Fox's level yet, but I can't help thinking that he's effectively playing with handicap since he has to be paired with Suter AND play on his off-hand because of it.

[@allghilliedup21]

I'd probably put JT Miller for VAN As opposed to Hughes tbh.

[@jerryg3202]

The only negative conversation regarding Bedard is the salty other team fans that wanted him. So that's a bad pick. Seth Jones and his ridiculous contract should have been the pick for Chicago.

[@april4657]

The 5% is here and proud! ✋🏻

[@GoJays]

U can make a case for basically every Leaf

[@davidm7759]

Canes fan here. I don't think Svetch is over rated...buuuut...it seems like he should/could be scoring more goals than he does. He needs to turn that corner

[@ptshyu2]

I’m hoping for a 40+ goal season from him

[@darrelladams4886]

Anytime Carolina came to Edmonton the last while he looked anything but overrated. Talented player. Too bad he was hurt before the players

[@beneasler8868]

Honorable mention to Carter on the Pens. Maybe not so much debated as hated but it would've been really nice if we could've gotten rid of that contract this summer

[@sirfoegs4313]

Make any 1c in the league play 5 years with Mantha as their highest scoring line mate see how good they look. Larkins a top 10 center.

[@chriscomchi4042]

I’m 30’seconds into this video and already know it’s gonna be Hart for Philly

[@user-xn5me8iz7c]

Caufield was wild. did not expect to see him on this kinda list. Anybody that says Caufield is overrated/has negative things to say about him clearly have not watched any of his games

[@HarryRiceHockey]

I was legit surprised to see Caufield's name on this list as well, but when Shannon mentioned "gets injured a lot" as one of the criticisms people used I had to roll my eyes lol. Caufield's had 1 injury that took him out for half a season. We don't know if that'll be a recurring thing or just bad luck from last season, plus people will praise a guy like Matthews for being a 60 goal scorer when he's had 1 good year of above 40 goals yet won't admit Caufield would be a 40-50 goal scorer if he was healthy last year and probably will be for most of his career lol.

[@user-xn5me8iz7c]

@@HarryRiceHockey injuries definitely gonna take place when your carrying the entire teams offense with 1 line.

[@garymoen930]

He's disappeared. He's on milk cartons. 😂

[@realestatestu]

Just got stadium series NYI v. NYR tickets. The nhl ran a dreadful shitshow with ticket sales for this.

[@MisterVercetti]

To be honest, you could put any of Toronto's core four on the board and you could make a valid argument. To sink that kind of money into four players and have the astonishing lack of results they've produced thus far definitely causes one to wonder if perhaps all four are overrated.

[@G0lden-lu6by]

It's not that they are overrated or that much overpaid either, it's just the fact that all are better offensively than defensively. It's the core 4 and a 1/2 now, Nylander is the half there, gotta pay Cpt.Morgan too and he too is better in the O-zone. Yes talent and points are important but that's just too much cap invested in those points, you need those stalwart Dmen and shutdown centers too and elite ones at that ain't cheap either.

[@jacobdill4499]

I haven't gotten there yet but I am expecting Tavares.

[@pa-mo]

Sens fans are not really debating Sanderson, only fans of other teams are. Sens fans are mainly debating how the new additions will do.

[@chrisault4575]

For Tampa I would have gone with Sergachev. I think he's been a little overrated (especially last season). He's definitely on the right track but he still makes a few too many, poor defensive plays (granted he's still young). It is good that Hedman has stepped back a little (I think by choice) to give Sergachev more ice time. As others have said, Hagel deserves to be paid. He produces points, controls the puck, great forechecker, really strong defensively, and plays a lot of minutes killing penalties with a high skill level.

[@jeffreyclinard2002]

Vegas fan...and I'm not in the least surprised that Hill isn't a top ten. He's never been a starter. He's sometimes not been good enough to be a backup. He wasn't the starting goaltender at the start of their Stanley Cup run. Did he do a good job in the playoffs? He did. That doesn't make him top ten. A year ago he was so unimportant to the Sharks they sent him to Vegas for a fourth round pick. Moving from that to top 10 NHL in one year is difficult, if not impossible. He is getting a nice salary bump for the next two years, but I have a major question... Is it the goaltenders, or is it the defense? Remember, Vegas had four straight wins with four different starting goaltenders (and Hill wasn't part of that!). Of the five in net for them, there was a rookie, a career backup, a guy who wasn't good enough to be a backup at times, an AHLer, and a once-great goaltender who is in the twilight of his career.

[@yelling3874]

I think that Oilers slot belongs to Nurse. Skinner did have a good season, point blank. His numbers were good, and there's no contrast with Jack Campbell that can artificially inflate those. He had a pretty hard time in the playoffs. He's only 23, and if it was for a different team, one that doesn't have as much pressure to win a cup, I think that playoff record could easily be forgiven as growing pains. I'm excited about where his ceiling might be. (Actually, I'm really excited about Edmonton's goaltending potential in general. Campbell and Skinner have both had recent, painful, visible rough patches, but both of them have also had much better times. It's clear both of them can do better. True, everything could go wrong with both of them, and I'm bracing myself, but it's also possible that we see some spectacular results. The potential is huge.)

[@TheHockeyGuy]

People generally aren't a fan of Nurse's contract. I don't see any defenders for his game after last season either. I hope he has a better year this season.

[@davidminor4213]

You could literally put our entire team up there

[@TheSamzidat]

No one in the avs fanbase doubts Georgie’s abilities. Sam Girard is by far the most hotly debated member of the team. Just comment “Sammy g is a great defenseman” and watch people flock to criticize him and defend him.

[@clubpenguin13531]

It seems to me that most of the people who say Sanderson was worth that type of contract are Sens fans/people who watch them regularly, and those who think he's overpaid tend to just look at the stats

[@Terminatedd]

Vejmelka - I think he's a good goalie. We'll probably see his stats go up when the Coyotes get better. Skinner - I thought this guy was done, but the last 2 years have been really good for him. Can he do it again? Svechnikov - Could be better. I think he'll get there, he's still so young. Vanecek - No opinion. Trouba - An asshole who makes some bad mistakes once in a while. Could concentrate a bit more. Still a good player. Kuznetsov - I think he's an above average player. Would like to have him in my team. Zegras - Jury's still out. Still so young that he can absolutely become one of the top forwards in the league. Scheifele - Hard working player who I think isn't the best teammate. Probably not overrated, but wouldn't want him in my team. Duclair - An enigma. I liked him in Florida and he scored some key goals in the last playoffs. A bit underrated now? Sanderson - No opinion. Skinner - Good goalie, still very young. Horvat - No opinion. Hart - Good goalie. Still very young. I think he'll be at least a challenger for the Vezina a couple of times in his career. Grubauer - Stanley cup. 912% career sv%. I think he bounces back. Huberdeau - I wasn't expecting last year to be that bad. Probably won't go back to 100+ points, but I think he'll be ppg player again. Binnington - One really good year. Probably not overrated anymore, but I think he sucks. Caufield - Could be a bit better and I think he'll get there. So young still. Dubois - Motivational issues. I don't think he'll ever be a true star in the league, but probably a good 2nd line center until he loses his interest again. Marchand - Would love him in my team. Annoying as hell, but a good teammate. Spurgeon - Has had an okay career. Haven't really seen any debates considering him. Laine - Once he stopped celebrating his goals during his time in Winnipeg, he's never been the same. I think he has some motivational issues and until those are gone, I don't expect him to become more than a 30 goal scorer. He could and should be a rocket favorite, but it just doesn't seem that important to him. Hill - Another Murray & Binnington? Probably a bit overrated now, but we'll see how the next seasons go. Marner - Actually had good playoffs last year and is one of the best passers in the league. Maybe a bit underrated now? I'd still keep Nylander and trade Marner. O'Reilly - Cup, Conn smythe, Selke. Has had a good career. I think he bounces back. Georgiev - I thought this guy was done after leaving NYR, but had a very good season. Can he do it again? I think he can. Hagel - No opinion. Karlsson - Underrated and overrated at the same time. I still think it's stupid to hand over the Norris to the best points scorer, but that season was absolutely ridiculous for him. Bedard - The pressure must be absolutely bonkers for him. We'll see how it goes with the bad Blackhawks team, but I think he'll be alright. Heiskanen - I'm a big fan. I think last year he was a bit overrated, but now rated right. Larkin - No opinion. Ekblad - Has had some injury troubles, but I still think he's very overrated. I'm a Panthers fan and I really hope he stays healthy and plays like a 1st overall pick again.

[@grumpyscott17]

For the Sabres, I think Olausson is the choice. He’s good at one thing and below average at everything else. But that one thing is scoring goals with his incredible shot. So what kind of value do you place on the guy? I have no idea what he could fetch in a trade or what his next contract should be.

[@ginnyweatherbee7941]

Yeah Vic is tough to defend as a fan, he’s had good moments but mostly disappeared last year

[@blackenedmagic888]

Regarding Brad Marchand, he only seems to act up when the Bruins are losing badly and pretty much has no chance of winning the game. If the game was close (even if the Bruins were losing), it's like he realized that the Bruins had a much better chance of winning with him on the ice or the bench than in the penalty box.

[@khalpwno5666]

I thought Montreal's was going to be Gallagher. He's been debated for a while.

[@stevencooke1027]

I didn't think Caulfield would feature either. There might be some debate as to where his ceiling is, but generally he's seen as a very good goal scorer who was on his way to at least 40 goals on a weak team. He would have been the first since their last Stanley Cup winning team.

[@cale373]

I would’ve picked Girard instead for the avs

[@coreywilliams6390]

Zegras wants to get paid based on his spin-o-rama Michigan moves