350. The Risks of a Deteriorating Democracy feat. Victor Davis Hanson

[@ironbridge2451]

Can't listen enough to Victor and Thomas Sowell!

[@Astral_Dusk]

Same, like a rare neurogenesis among a mostly neurodegenerative mainstream discussion.

[@francesnance9110]

I could listen to VDH all day. He is brilliant. I wish that more people would pay attention to his genius account of history, and the trajectory that we are on now...to our demise...

[@Politicallyhomeless957]

I bought like seven of VDH’s books so I can lol 😂 totally agree. Cheers 🍻

[@dale1956ties]

Me too. Have binge watched more than once so I could, and have. 😉

[@hectorgarcia-ul1fs]

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[@hectorgarcia-ul1fs]

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[@charlesbyrd6055]

He is very bright, and I do like him, but he far too quickly throes by southern ancestry under the bus, and he falls into the trap of slavery and racism, propagated by whites as the original sin of Western civilization, which is a rabbit hole

[@budpitsch1]

Thank you VDH for speaking with courage and clarity to the American public!

[@TTFN55]

Stellar information! Thanks Greg.

[@clairelivefreeordie2551]

​@@TTFN55...yes, I love the way you just let Victor speak. Great interview 👍

[@TTFN55]

@@clairelivefreeordie2551 - The New Hampshire state motto is the best in the U.S.! Live Free or Die!!

[@bobhsohi704]

It sure is a pleasure to be able to tune in to Victor David Hanson want to learn as much about many things he's a brilliant man

[@RobertSherefkin]

😅😅😅😅

[@drglh66]

Terrific, VDH. THANK YOU

[@johnbargiel9358]

VDH is a national treasure! God Bless him and his family!

[@kzoo4053]

Dr. Victor Davis Hanson’s comments are all true. I’m afraid the America as we know it will not survive the onslaught of the current “culture”.

[@suzannewilliams868]

VDH is a bright light. I appreciate his knowledge and wisdom.

[@uhtredlundar8394]

Prof. Hanson's story of teaching Classics at Fresno was simply amazing - great interview, great questions!

[@99gypsies]

Yes, that was the part I liked best -- I could just listen to stories about that for 3 more hours.

[@ThanhLipke]

God bless professor Hanson I just love him, grateful and respected him so much You going to laugh but I love to bring some good food 😊for him

[@oliveoil7642]

Have been following VDH for years . Such a treat to listen to a calm, intelligent and well researched individual!

[@milo8425]

The last powerful voice of the Classics. How did we let our foundation rot so completely?

[@sharonkowaleski1267]

It's evolving badly by WE THE PEOPLE-- pay attention to the REAL SCHOLARS LIKE VDH-' A COLLEGE DEGREE DOESN'T GIVE YOU A BRAIN! WHAT GIVES YOU SUCCESS is what you choose to apply your INTELLIGENCE TO,JUST KIKE ANY MAMMAL!!

[@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858]

The left took over universities and institutions. And they teach that the right doesn't have the right to be heard. Very sinister indeed.

[@suntowers1178]

greed

[@robgrey6183]

Mexicans.

[@jgalt308]

Slowly at first and then all at once.

[@stevehumphrey8626]

Thank you for such a thoughtful and deep discussion of these important issues. I am so thankful that we have the opportunity to hear these discussions! They are important. Just wonderful!!!

[@silentb2084]

And we don’t have to sink ourselves into 6-figure debt to learn in this format. 😊❤️🥹 I love it!!

[@shanedinapoli2240]

Brilliant analysis of what’s happening. A friend of mine in a senior surgical role in a major hospital is experiencing this as prime candidates are excluded because they’re white males. It’s also true in my profession as all of the focus is on marginalized groups, but in reality they are visible minorities and there’s an absence of discrimination on meritocracy or even acknowledgement of merit.

[@jobirbatti6713]

On your own turf, discriminated. This can only happen in Western democracy. They are taking their freedom and values for granted. That came with blood and hard work. They are giving it away for free, and they are passing a lot of trouble for the next generation.

[@susanmaurillo8369]

Victor Davis Hanson is America’s National Treasure🇺🇸

[@tonyclifton2230]

He is far from it, a foolish warhalk.

[@clarity613]

It’s such a pleasure to experience the thinking and vocabulary of an American educated intellectual reflect on the era we are living in and how the past has influenced our present will affect our future! This is what hard work and a good education can accomplish.🌸 Thank you Professor Hanson!

[@keahilumho8914]

I love to listen and be enlightened by VDH. He is my favorite classicist and scholar. Sober knowledge and

[@lindathomas2350]

This was more truth common sense and intelligence than I've heard in a very long time! Thank you so much!

[@Smiff1066]

A real American Victor David Hanson, thank you.

[@michaelbellingham719]

If the ancient Greek philosophers like Socrates and Plato were to assess Victor Davis Hanson, they would likely be blunt, critical, and unwavering in their disapproval. Here’s how these thinkers and others from ancient Greece might respond to Hanson’s approach to truth, rhetoric, and philosophy: Socrates Socrates was known for his relentless pursuit of truth through dialogue and questioning. He would likely be appalled by Hanson’s tendency to lean on sensationalist and ideological rhetoric rather than objective inquiry. Socrates valued questioning assumptions, dismantling biases, and arriving at conclusions only after thorough reasoning. Hanson’s unsubstantiated assertions on topics like immigration and his manipulation of history for ideological ends would have been seen by Socrates as intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice. Socrates might say Hanson engages in sophistry-the ancient Greek term for using rhetoric to deceive or manipulate rather than to illuminate truth. Socrates despised sophists because they prioritized persuasion over wisdom, often using fear and prejudice to manipulate public opinion. For Socrates, Hanson would represent the very opposite of a true philosopher, someone more interested in inflaming opinions than in seeking understanding. Plato Plato, Socrates’ most famous student, believed in the importance of “philosopher-kings” - wise rulers guided by reason and the pursuit of the good. He argued in The Republic that true leaders must seek truth and prioritize the well-being of the polis (city-state) over personal gain or fame. Hanson’s apparent embrace of divisive rhetoric and his willingness to distort facts for political ends would likely disgust Plato, who viewed truth as paramount and would be alarmed by Hanson’s apparent disdain for intellectual integrity. Plato might consider Hanson’s work a form of demagoguery - using rhetoric to appeal to base emotions like fear, rather than guiding people towards rational thought and ethical values. In Plato’s view, Hanson’s approach could destabilize society by encouraging tribalism and resentment rather than unity and truth-seeking. Aristotle Aristotle, Plato’s student, would critique Hanson’s lack of ethos (character) and logos (logic) in his arguments. Aristotle emphasized balanced rhetoric, which should be grounded in reason, ethics, and an understanding of the audience’s values. Hanson’s divisive and fear-based messages would likely be seen by Aristotle as lacking virtue and failing to promote a healthy society. Aristotle believed in the concept of the “golden mean,” a balanced approach to every issue. Hanson’s extreme and biased rhetoric would be seen as a dangerous deviation from reason. The Historians: Herodotus and Thucydides Ancient Greek historians like Herodotus and Thucydides valued factual accuracy and objective reporting. Herodotus aimed to document events as they happened, avoiding judgmental language. Thucydides emphasized critical analysis and impartiality, particularly in his account of the Peloponnesian War. Hanson’s manipulation of history to fit modern ideological narratives would be an anathema to them. They would view his selective interpretations and alarmist statements as corruptions of historical truth, meant to mislead rather than educate. In short, Greek scholars would likely condemn Hanson as a sophist, demagogue, and ideologue-someone who uses his knowledge not to enlighten but to manipulate. His approach would be considered antithetical to Greek philosophical and historical values: a betrayal of reason, truth, and the public good.

[@haldorasgirson9463]

I got my engineering degree in the 90's. I was in the last cohort at my college who took humanities and liberal arts classes. Every one after me took multi-cultural studies instead. I recall being grateful that I was able to take the classical studies that were focused on what was the best of our culture.

[@sharonmiller1845]

I love this. ❤ I’m an elementary Latin teacher, and I often tell my students they think they’re taking Latin, but their parents really signed them up for a second English grammar class.

[@terry4137]

Great guest!

[@DudeFun-yi7nu]

My very first deep understanding of what happened to the great American education. Please invite him back but double or triple the interview time limits. Thanks so much.

[@orsoncart802]

I could listen to the excellent VDH for hours, days! More power to him! 👍👍👍 P.S. And I’m English, not American, with purely a maths/physics background, but I did have unhappy years of forced Latin at school six decades ago. 😁

[@thomasbradley2225]

vae victus veritas.

[@orsoncart802]

@@thomasbradley2225I hope not! 😁

[@drbobby111]

Few people possess the wisdom and insight of Victor Davis Hanson. If anyone belongs on the US Supreme Court Professor Hanson fits the bill!

[@brilliantblue4366]

Amen! You used great descriptions. So incredibly true. Thank you for your post. God bless you and God bless President Trump!

[@ceciliaeguilos5748]

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ITS PATRIOTIC CITIZENS. MOST ESPECALLY PRES. TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY FOR MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN AND SPREAD LOVE NOT WAR IN THIS PLANET.

[@richardscathouse]

The way he blessed Gaza

[@jeremyfrechette6]

VDH is a true patriot.

[@tommythompsonsurfer]

godbless america..........good..bad...ulgy. the spirit is in america............run my life jesus!

[@jacobbuttrey5871]

Thank you so much for sharing. I'm so great full that we live in a time where discussions like this can be recorded and shared so easily. I look forward to my 7 year old son being able to listen and learn from men like yourselves. Victor is one of my greatest role models. I am one the middle class he so passionately talks abouts. Please keep sharing your thoughts and insights. They are so important to the success and healing of our nation. A simple thank you from this middle class 38 year old Montanian.

[@lorigearhardt2371]

John Kerry has focused on eliminating small farms. He has stated that small farms are THE biggest contributor to CO2, which is absurd apart from the whole premise. Small farms use far fewer chemical fertilizers per acre than Big Corporate Ag. Kerry's patent aggression as he expresses this sentiment lights up his eyes, it is very alarming.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

Love VDH. Our farmer scholar

[@bill6511]

I am 68 yrs old. I am a US citizen. I have watched our democratic democracy function for many years. it wasnt perfect, but the 3 parts, executive-congress-judicial seemed balanced and worked more fairly than other forms of governments. Until. There was a senator named Bird. and as you might know he had the right to stop senate actions, by standing and keeping the floor. as long as he talked. nothing could be voted on. it was aa close to a veto power the senate had. but. one day. the other Senators felt sorry for Mr. Bird because he was old and sickly and could not stand for long times anymore. so. they changed the rules. the Bird rule. now. any senator wishing to hold up any action could simply write on a paper saying they were vetoing/stopping the action. it would require 60 votes to over-run that veto. suddenly. every senator had the same veto power as the president. we went from 1 president with executive veto power. to 101 presidents with veto powers. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHEN THIS COUNTRY WENT TO HELL. THIS IS IT.

[@jameshennighan8193]

You're spot on Bill with your observation. Only now they've decided to tinker with the 60 vote rule..... What The Founding Fathers put in place as protection for everyone no longer matters... Madness and corruption beyond belief....! James Hennighan Yorkshire, England

[@justindominic2083]

F'n Awesome! ❤❤❤VDH 4 PREZ

[@11spiritwarrior]

That was a very fair assessment of Trump given by VDH. In fact, the best most accurate description I’ve heard.

[@timothyproksch2915]

Elaborate on the reality of life is not fair. Fantastic show

[@sylviajamison2919]

We don't have a democracy we have a REPUBLIC!

[@peppolobuondelmonte]

You want it to be one way: but it's the other way. "Among those who have earned special praise by devising a constitution of this nature, was Lycurgus, who so framed the laws of Sparta as to assign their proper functions to kings, nobles, and commons; and in this way established a government, which, to his great glory and to the peace and tranquility of his country, lasted for more than eight hundred years. The contrary, however, happened in the case of Solon; who by the turn he gave to the institutions of Athens, created there a purely democratic government, of such brief duration, that he himself lived to witness the beginning of the despotism of Pisistratus. And although, forty years later, the heirs of Pisistratus were driven out, and Athens recovered her freedom, nevertheless because she reverted to the same form government as had been established by Solon, she could maintain it for only a hundred years more; for though to preserve it, many ordinances were passed for repressing the ambition of the great and the turbulence of the people, against which Solon had not provided, still, since neither the monarchic nor the aristocratic element was given a place in her constitution, Athens, as compared with Sparta, had but a short life." -Machiavelli, Niccolo "Discourses on the First Decade of Titus Livius"* Chapter. II-Of the various types of Government; and to which the Roman Commonwealth belonged *aka "The Prince" unabridged

[@jaysphilosophy1951]

I just watched The Odyssey last night. It was amazing. It's a picture that can be remade better with todays technology but doesn't seem to be on the minds of most people these days. In fact, most people don't even know what the Odyssey is.

[@avi8terrfwg317]

Love VDH. Always enjoy his discussions.

[@cellospot]

I took an ancient Greek class earlier this year online on my own. I tell you it kicked my butt! But it was awesome, too. It's so enrichening learning to read and understand another language, especially one so fundamental as Greek or Latin. It's worth the challenge.

[@klayed]

🙏

[@cherylnagy126]

the application of History to contemporary affairs. Go! Professor Hanson! right 👍 on

[@unitedstatesdale]

Why can't we have presidents like Victor ? Our country is a corpse

[@TTFN55]

Not quite a corpse but definitely on life support.

[@mynamedoesntmatter8652]

@@TTFN55 And MIA. Where do they stash him and the vent, I’d like to know. As of now where is shrill jill? She was everywhere, on everything, being Ms Photogenic at every turn but now - hmm.

[@gozimusable1]

I listen to his podcast like I eat my breakfast. Every morning

[@angusorvid8840]

At 19:00 VDH mentions how white parents complain about their children being denied entry into Princeton, Stanford, Harvard and other top institutions despite having an excellent SAT score because of affirmative action policies practiced by these institutions. It reminds me of my foolish liberal uncle and his wife complaining that their son was also denied entry from top tier schools despite his high grades because he did not check the right "diversity" boxes. Keep in mind my uncle and his wife are good knee-jerk liberals who would always vocally support affirmative action and "diversity" and every leftwing cause du jour under the sun. On one hand I wanted to say "Told ya so" but I felt so bad for them learning the truth the hard way that I kept my mouth shut. They already knew where I stood. I was on the outs with them for years just for being a Republican. I felt bad for my cousin who ended up at a second-rate college which limited his options for grad school. He's now a history professor but keeps his politics away from his coworkers, but he votes GOP now.

[@ghostlyimageoffear6210]

I would have opened my mouth. One of the problems of the right is that we're too nice, too polite.

[@scottclemens9245]

More Americans need to hear this.

[@tonyclifton2230]

Best to listen to this guy on mute.

[@danf7568]

VDH effectively reflects the value of his intelligence and his political thoughts and opinions regarding the USA and our citizenship.

[@counselorscouch1013]

Love VDH - a necessary voice for America. Thanks for posting this interview!

[@richardscathouse]

You can have him

[@robertpraegitzer4362]

Outstanding

[@Charlie-uz6sk]

Refreshing intelligent perspectives on our current society. I would like him to author a book, his 25th?, on free speech here in America and how journalism v. far left, liberal media bias for ratings entertainment is brainwashing all of us, in fact, replacing university education.

[@genege6301]

I can listen to him none stop

[@issiahbernaiche6897]

Loved this interview. I own the dying the Citizen and today finished a Hillsdale Course with Hanson on the American citizen. I will state only one thing, and not to be in annoyance. In your title you state the "Deteriorating Democracy." Yet our founders such as John Adams, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton does clearly state that our nation is a Constitutional Republic. As it is written in our Federalist papers and the differences between a Republic and Democracy.

[@mynamedoesntmatter8652]

Just once I’d like a good clear view of Dr. H’s bookcase there. I know it represents only a sampling, and the ones that used to be double stacked willy nilly are gone. But I’d love to know titles. I always like to see anyone’s books given the chance. Thank you VDH sharing your insight and knowledge of the ages and the new age that we’re experiencing. It’s a banger, that’s for sure. And thanks for your books too, looking forward to getting ‘Fields Without Dreams.’ Everyone loves nostalgia and sad stories, a last farewell.

[@michaelbisceglia9154]

Humans do not learn from mistakes over time

[@patiencefalters9024]

God bless him.

[@ME-tw7fq]

VERY WELL DONE. THANK YOU...

[@MisterViago]

If i had a cabinet VDH and Douglas Murray would be in it.

[@markhamburger5587]

Cool hat, Victor!

[@williambiniak9090]

I wanted to say i really enjoyed your current program you a victor clearly layed out the state of affaires in education i know this was done couple months ago i can only hope that you see my input and relize i an my friends an club brothers find you very objective and with your show it was totally comprehended by your average adult that compleated 10th grade thank you

[@brucemcleod6300]

I bet if Victor were to be asked what his most significant accomplishment in life was, he would say saving the homestead and house his grandfather built.

[@RamonCroes-q5t]

Unity is when everybody thinks together. Uniformity everybody thinks alike(which is bad) What we want is Unity.

[@jimsjacob]

VDH speaks, I listen. Dem's da rules!

[@aurelius5961]

Consensus and stakeholder engagement among peer groups and antagonist groups are an essential feature of problem solving. Weights and measures. One of big reasons regimes evolve and emerge is break down of democratic debate in the eye of citizenry.

[@agiantpear7744]

I'm dying for someone to have a conversation with VDH about his cap. I'm already fascinated by the idea. I hope it happens one day.

[@Pops2]

GAR Bennett does work that is very important for water conservation in California. VDH is probably their most famous billboard.😅

[@colinumphryes6699]

Thank You Victor

[@michaela.abbott222]

Arrived here via the algorithm. Subbed. Never viewed an interview with VDH that was disappointing. We’ll see…

[@darbyohara]

It would be nice if VDH would outline some solutions or ideas on how to create a citizen based framework in todays American experience. Then contrast it to successful citizen based republics of the past and the risk associated with too liberal of the application of citizenship

[@johnhale3210]

We all know the solution. VDH can’t voice it publicly any more than you or I can.

[@jacobbuttrey5871]

He did in his book. The dieing citizen.

[@TTFN55]

Return to the precepts of the U.S. Constitution. He has said and written it over and over again.

[@karenmoore7058]

Brilliant !!!

[@kathiefleming2830]

How did our prime universities become so anti American?

[@skeletor9121]

Socialism at its finest.

[@scottclemens9245]

I think its elite preservation.. Were broke so collapse the system instead of fixing it..watch a congressional hearing..it will answer your question..where there's a need there's a right..its elitist globalist sociolism.thing is, it will only work until the money at runs out. Oops too late.

[@dvg4104]

Egalitarian liberalism is cultural poison.

[@charlesbyrd6055]

That last ten minutes was unseemly snobbery Shamey on you both but especially on LeBlanc

[@shannonelam4994]

Lord God Almighty please forgive our nation for allowing our schools to be taken over to teach evil hatred.

[@stevenhanson6057]

Don’t blame our nation. What about the pinko commies?

[@richardsheehan6983]

Very good.. True and vital.

[@nuk-my6fo]

This guy is so cool. The hat is awesome!

[@Princessmmviii]

Those who do not KNOW HISTORY ARE DOOMED.

[@skinpalette]

VDH is the man

[@falcon5467]

"The End of Everything". Wow, what a title for a final (?) book.

[@johnsteinman5496]

Big difference between a ..RESIDENT ..& …a CITIZEN😡😡😡‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@bobsturgess1796]

Great commentary

[@FredCarver]

Love to hear this gentleman speak on the far left Canadian politics

[@ThomasTaylor-k2i]

Dr Hansen, you opined that one cannot know what a nominative or an accusative is in Greek, without first knowing what a subject and direct object is in English. And while I may have had a tacit knowledge of both of the English equivalents, I did not understand English until I learned Greek; for there I had to not only know but understand the cases and verb structures in the Greek, e.g., in order to translate Greek into English, whereby I learned English, as well. And so, I am not disagreeing with you as much as wondering your thoughts on this.

[@RamonCroes-q5t]

A Large Middle Class needs to be maintained for Democracy to work properly.

[@CertifiedTruthTV]

Salute VDH ❤

[@bradbarnes1839]

It's rational for spiteful mutants to band together to extract resources from the productive and successful.

[@DavidMccallister65]

I'm shocked to hear Victor say that he would have no problem with John Kerry going after and shutting down generational farms as long as he goes after the new coal plants in China as well... smh I don't give a rip what he does in China or anywhere else; leave farmers alone! He has no right whatsoever to go after family farms.

[@MisterViago]

Well I guess that settles it.

[@darbyohara]

Remove all the special treatment and subsidies. For everyone. Stop bailing out failure or picking winners/losers

[@ceecee6679]

His use of sarcasm is brilliantly subtle.

[@DavidMccallister65]

@@ceecee6679 yes I understand it but I don't think half of the audience or more does and I hate the way he leaves it laying that way.

[@donjeep1937]

Dr Hanson really does have a sense of humor.

[@6663000]

VDH is the wisest man in the world.

[@yanah.965]

The people who buy into woke, critical theory are very tricky, because I’ve heard a few of them talk about “civics classes”, but they aren’t talking about traditional, civics, citizenship and government classes like we would normally and traditionally consider them. No they’re talking about pure indoctrination into woke ideology and tribalism ideology when they start to describe what their notion of “civics” is.

[@Ruouiji]

Our system requires citizenship of our citizenry! Our freedoms and liberties are not here for the picking,. So why is this not being enforced !?

[@christophernaples1315]

Thats the problem ! Government has gotten so big that citizen's supposedly can't vote, As you said, All state budgets, especially those with huge expenditures need some sort of over sight to get the best value for our $ instead of sweetheart bloated deals and no bid contracts

[@onlyweknow2]

I like that VDH give me some idea of what's comming.

[@michaels33]

I am always chagrined to hear someone refer to President Trump as uneducated in liberal thought, without explaining to me the contrast to the deep understanding and rich liberal education of Biden, Hillary, Pelosi, Schumer, Bush, McCain, etc. At best the latter are ignorant fools who went to a trade school to learn law or business. Biden, Bush and McCain were very low ranked in even those courses. So why do you (interviewer) insist Trump is somehow unique in that regard among any political leader since at least Gingrich?

[@ramblinrog2767]

Victor for President please.

[@craigmiller-randle8921]

Maturity on multiple levels comes from learning through suffering & experience. The more a culture, through advancement, reduces suffering the less mature & wise in the context of that society, its citizens become. Its the sad irony and inherent contradiction of successful cultures and explains the curve of zenith to nadir experienced by numerous societies throughout history.

[@tommythompsonsurfer]

godbless america and all good p eople!!!!

[@sscalercourtney5486]

Chicken Little was going along quite nicely. It was a sunny warm day and other chickens were being nice to him and he had plenty to eat. But something fell on his head. He looked up and saw nothing but the pain in his head was real. He began screaming over and over, "The Sky is falling. The Sky is falling. Soon most of the chickens in the coop were running in circles with Chicken Little screaming the sky is falling. But one wise Professor chicken said, "Well this is the possible end of all chickenkind Look how everyone is running in circles." And soon all the chickens had heart attacks from running so much and suffering so much stress from knowing the Sky was falling, they all died from bumping into each other hard. And the wise Professor Chicken said, "I told you so."

[@gastronomist]

20:30 I'm not so sure if he's right about why the Left no longer talk about class (i.e. because class is mobile and fluid). I think they just don't like poor and the labor class people. They like them in the abstract in that they can feel good about themselves by 'helping' the poor but they don't want to be near them or deal with them on an individual level. And they've just given up on the labor class as being deplorables.

[@lv4077]

I’m afraid the United States is all but lost.We have a population that is primarily unconcerned with politics and ethics just trying to survive and make a living.We have a small percentage, maybe 5-10% at most,that is concerned with the devolution of our society and the moral and ethical standards that have eroded our culture and are willing to sacrifice to preserve it.

[@RamonCroes-q5t]

There was a clear distinction between good and bad, in the western frontier movies.

[@RamonCroes-q5t]

Perhaps IT guys could use more Classics books and Education.

[@artworkbyjeff]

Someone screwed up the sound

[@epwlod777]

Vdh is incredible

[@kateoneal4215]

I had NO IDEA non-citizens had so many "rights!!!" Freaky as all h*ll!

[@GrimsBar]

Amazing

[@RamonCroes-q5t]

Trivium: Grammer, Logic and Rethoric.

[@AmericanAussie1776]

They should be made to become a Legal Citizen BEFORE they can get benefits, vote or hold any type of political position on Any level.

[@kevinng1702]

I concur…or they should serve in military or public service at least 24 months…before they can get US citizen…like me, I served 9 years in US Navy, deployed to Afghanistan…and did work 4 years in Naval Hospital….I can now say I am American…period….