384 Thread MEGA Server from ASUS AMD EPYC 9004 Genoa

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ServeTheHome

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@thatLion01
@thatLion01 2 жыл бұрын
I like your high enegy product reviews + really amazing detail and quick technical understanding. Thank you once again STH
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I feel like this was much slower than the ones I did for Supermicro X13 which felt like lightning-round 3-5 min videos.
@AnIdiotAboard_
@AnIdiotAboard_ 2 жыл бұрын
120kW + potential 44u rack density. Man i wished i still designed and built datacenters, would love a crack at that challenge, and 10 years ago or so, 40Kw would have been an impressive feat
@majstealth
@majstealth 2 жыл бұрын
imagine the m$ or oracle license cost.....
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
So much. We only showed down to the 32C 9374F's because those are the smallest we have.
@zbigniewmalec4816
@zbigniewmalec4816 2 жыл бұрын
Otoh look for the per core performance. If you can afford the licensing and you have the scale, these are the platforms to get. Personally i look forward for 9554 performance figures, as these should be enterprise licensing kings for a while
@oscarcharliezulu
@oscarcharliezulu 2 жыл бұрын
$40K per core for Oracle EE database.
@spdcrzy
@spdcrzy 2 жыл бұрын
@@oscarcharliezulu JESUS FUCK
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp 2 жыл бұрын
@@oscarcharliezulu lol, Oracle is a joke
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 2 жыл бұрын
Those pcie switches for accommodating more NVMe drives were a nice idea. They should be doing that more often in other areas so that we can add as many pcie devices as we want :) Thanks Patrick for showing this to us.
@Uro666
@Uro666 2 жыл бұрын
Phoronix posted an article yesterday about DDR5 memory channel scaling on EPYC 9004 series, it might be useful for anyone to look at side by side with this video. In the Phoronix benchmark results 10 channels seems to be about the sweet spot vs DDR5 cost, with that said if you're building a system of this scale the cost of DDR5 DIMMs isn't a big issue. 😅
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 2 жыл бұрын
Even when costs are no bar, 10 channels seems to be producing close to top results. Using all DIMMS would only be to increase memory size.
@awarepenguin3376
@awarepenguin3376 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Patrick! I think I saw you at Costco on Friday LOL. I regret not saying hello! maybe next time. Great videos!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
Ha! I was at Costco in Austin yesterday. You should certainly have said hi!
@redtails
@redtails 2 жыл бұрын
What a beast. Servers are so huge nowadays in terms of performance. This level only makes sense for huge players and cloud
@RylTheValstrax
@RylTheValstrax 2 жыл бұрын
I've actually started seeing the 96c parts showing up for well under MSRP even for individual unit cpu sales. They are still pricy but actually the prices aren't too bad all things considered.
@robertojosedossantos9771
@robertojosedossantos9771 Жыл бұрын
😊
@PdPremasdasa
@PdPremasdasa Жыл бұрын
​@@robertojosedossantos9771 ෛටඓඓනෛඓඓඓෛඓඓරෛඓරෛඓඓඓඓඓෆෛෛෛඓඓඓඓඓඓඓඓඓ නම් බහ . ඓඓඓ
@NonyaDamnbusiness
@NonyaDamnbusiness 2 жыл бұрын
The USB on the mainboard is for booting Vmware ESXi into a vSphere management environment. I've installed a lot of IBM servers running ESXi and that's pretty much how it's done now.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, VMware has given guidance not to install to USB anymore due to USB drive endurance. These days the M.2 installation is much more common because they are higher quality drives and very low cost.
@matthewguerra5410
@matthewguerra5410 2 жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo correct, plus most usb drives make esxi perform like poop
@realandrewhatfield
@realandrewhatfield 2 жыл бұрын
Soo close... I was looking forward to diving into more accessible CXL. Interesting to see how far ahead of commercial software (or at least licensing models) that hardware is getting.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
We are going to do that. Just need Intel to launch too, although there is a quirk there (more in Tuesday's SPR launch video)
@Megavoltt
@Megavoltt 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Patrick, I always appreciat your passion about hardwares. Do we have a chance to add test softwares that Corona Render Benchmark and V-Ray Render Benchmark? Those are the engines that use all the cores properly. Not just because I use them all the time😁
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
We were thinking of adding v-ray later this year and can look at corona.
@hayzeproductions7093
@hayzeproductions7093 Жыл бұрын
The major Disappointment I have about this server, there is no QSFP or QSFP+ on board for that kind of CPU power, ram and NVMe speeds. What was asus thinking putting 2 ethernet jacks on the back? You can find HP Proliant's and Dell Poweredge's with onboard QSFP ports some even have 4 on board.
@KangoV
@KangoV Жыл бұрын
I really like those PCIe switches. I actually have some on my AMD desktop motherboard which supports 3 NVMe drives on a B550. They are very neat.
@shadowarez1337
@shadowarez1337 2 жыл бұрын
Now I wish Genoa would release a 12-16 core cpu for a slick True Nas build with VM on side.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, I think these are too big for traditional TrueNAS. For TrueNAS Scale, with hyper-converged they are more interesting.
@shadowarez1337
@shadowarez1337 2 жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo ahh was thinking how could one make a server for home be absolutely insane always thought of you could get a Epyc CPU with SRIOV you could easily make the best setup Media/VM though it'd be insanely expensive but you wouldn't need to upgrade for many years and can avoid the limitations by conventional server cpus. Very cool to see these servers getting more and more modular shows industry really wants to break the old proprietary shackles and actually design with purpose. Thank you for always showing these innovative products.
@zbigniewmalec4816
@zbigniewmalec4816 2 жыл бұрын
Wait for Siena
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 2 жыл бұрын
I cant waity for Zan5, or whichever generation gets rid of the L3 and maybe the L2 on the compute die, and then slaps the cache directly on top of the core, you could have an IBM like cache layout with a segmentable combined L2/L3, stacked on top/under the core(whichever is hotter will need to go on top) Imagine 16 cores, 168MB L2/L3 on a single chiplet.
@El_Croc
@El_Croc Жыл бұрын
Another advantage of choosing the 32 core CPUs is the chiplets can double up IO bandwidth by using two instead of one IO die connections. I'd like to (but do not) know if this can be done with half of the cores on the 64 core CPUs?? Will these dual-socket boards support mix-and-match of Genoa/Genoa-X/Bergamo/Siena CPUs? ...I can see several use-cases for this hybrid approach... e.g. Bergamo CPU is running server processes for clients while the second Genoa-X CPU runs the dedicated database layer, all on a single dual-socket server unit, a perfect use-case too for using a CXL memory as shared memory. p.s. What speed difference between 1 dimm per channel and 2-per?
@konzo5942
@konzo5942 2 жыл бұрын
i love doing 7z b on a new server with more cores and seeing the big number wooooo
@ScottPlude
@ScottPlude 2 жыл бұрын
@STH, no need for a direct answer. I am just hoping this serves as food for thought. Maybe another video... First, as an IT guy, I think about failures all day. How is the warranty and onsite support? With Dell, I can call 24/7 and speak to a tech (with the appropriate warranty options chosen) and get a tech within 4 hours with new parts. Is that type of support available with the newer servers that you are showing us? Also, when ASUS makes a server like this, what use case did they envision for this? I would like to see an example of the workload this handles. Are these always parts of dedicated clusters of 50 nodes where a single server failure is just a blip on a performance monitor in the datacenter or is this meant to handle a load by itself at a mom and pop, maybe doing graphics encoding or some workload only running on this single node? Again, no real answer needed or expected down here, I would just enjoy hearing answers to those while making new reviews. Thanks again for the amazing content!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
I have a bit of a different thought on support. I think ASUS generally assumes that smaller organizations will use resellers that will provide that on-site service capability. I was on the board of a ~$300M/yr reseller of IT gear including servers from smaller vendors and that was common in the industry. Dell also charges a LOT for their service. After, a few servers it is much cheaper to buy extra nodes than to get on-site service so long as you have an environment where you can effectively utilize hot/ cold spares. Usually warranty and service are based on a percentage of list price and that is the pricing mechanism that makes buying extra boxes very cost effective even at a smaller cluster size. On the workload side, these are more of general purpose servers so they could handle GPUs to do graphics encoding or be in clusters. They are not heavily optimized for GPUs or video encoding though. Usually we talk about the specifics for servers that are more focused on an application rather than this ASUS server that is more general.
@bak-dh1zw
@bak-dh1zw 2 жыл бұрын
HA HA HA The ad that played first was about a couple getting engaged!
@shephusted2714
@shephusted2714 2 жыл бұрын
a beast - team it up with a huge array of spinning rust and new apu to really unleash potential - this will have a long lifetime and even smb will use this in a few years #power10 #arm #consolidated
@melvinch
@melvinch 2 жыл бұрын
This will be a the ultimate render-server for any media company.
@stuartlunsford7556
@stuartlunsford7556 2 жыл бұрын
Dedicated OOB pcie lanes is a great feature! They don't need to be fast, so don't waste the 5.0 IO
@Jack-qj2pr
@Jack-qj2pr 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the ASM iKVM on this thing is just as trash as on the WRX80 SAGE, where CDROM emulation is completely busted when loading ISO from the microSD, or when the web UI randomly logs you out in the middle of a remote KVM session.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
The auto-logout one is a setting that many vendors (not just ASUS) have. Usually that is easy to fix by just changing the option to a longer duration since many times it is default to 15-30 min. We have many machines with 4+ hour logouts now.
@Jack-qj2pr
@Jack-qj2pr 2 жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo TY. I'll have a look around for the option for that. Still gutted that microSD ISO emulation is broken (yet somehow ISO over NFS is fast). It's slower than a real DVD drive lol.
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 Жыл бұрын
Any word on Genoa motherboards suitable for 'desktop" workstations - single or dual CPU? ASROCK have a "mini" board, but it's rather cut down compared to 'regular' motherboards.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo Жыл бұрын
It is tough to fit Genoa into desktops just because of how wide SP5 plus 12 DIMMs are. We have the ASRock Rack board and will have a review on the main site the last week or so of this month.
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 Жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo 😎, thank you, 👍. I did find one company (there may be others) that offered 'tower' workstation cases specifically designed to take (some) vertically mounted rack 'boards, but can't find it now. They did have some Gen' 3 EPYC systems as well as XEON. Supermicro did some for the XEON, in single or dual format, with a neat liquid cooled option, so maybe they're looking at genoa options there? They're all outside my current budget, and certainly massively over-kill, but neat seeing what's out there for the folks that can actually use these machines.
@not_yet_implemented
@not_yet_implemented 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. How much would something like this cost?
@not_yet_implemented
@not_yet_implemented 2 жыл бұрын
@@_-Karl-_ wauw, you hurt my feelings
@not_yet_implemented
@not_yet_implemented 2 жыл бұрын
@@_-Karl-_ thank you
@timramich
@timramich 2 жыл бұрын
Are SuperMicro going to be releasing H13 building blocks?
@DrivingWithJake
@DrivingWithJake 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Friends! Nice, one thing I hate about Asus is their trays are crap feeling. I have to say I was quite disappointed in them on our 7443P builds. They really should move to making their trays tool-less as well.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
These are tool-less drive trays.
@DrivingWithJake
@DrivingWithJake 2 жыл бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Oh nice to hear! Glad they stepped it up. The ones we currently use don't and feel super cheap. They looked the same from the front. :)
@Phil-D83
@Phil-D83 2 жыл бұрын
The v-cache ones will 1gb+ cache will be interesting
@OVERKILL_PINBALL
@OVERKILL_PINBALL 2 жыл бұрын
Can we see Cinebench and AIDA64 memory speeds?
@cytrox2978
@cytrox2978 2 жыл бұрын
How are the NVMe SSDs managed by the switch boards? If each is connected through x16 PCIe 5.0, its like having 32 PCIe 4.0 lanes. If im not mistaken there arent U.2 PCIe 5.0 drives out there. So can the NVMe SSDs be used with their actual bandwidth?
@cytrox2978
@cytrox2978 2 жыл бұрын
Nvm, so 16 NVMe drives can be used in that configuration. Both switch boards are connected with PCIe 5.0 x16 each which totals around 64 PCIe 4.0 lanes in bandwidth. So each U.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe of those 16 slots can be used with their actual bandwidth .. Nice :)
@matthewguerra5410
@matthewguerra5410 2 жыл бұрын
its cool, just don't make me buy per-core licensing for that thing
@mikebruzzone9570
@mikebruzzone9570 2 жыл бұрын
Patrick XSL/XCL are still being traded and the market standardized on them. Epyc has taken a small chunk AMD being supply constrained. The majority of the general data center compute / enterprise market is waiting to see what come next? Would you agree? The question then is are Sapphire Rapides and Genoa too complex for the vast majority of the general server market beyond virtualized containers on the applications coding challenge? mb
@mikebruzzone9570
@mikebruzzone9570 2 жыл бұрын
and storage servers . . . mb
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
Certainly a challenge is how large the platforms are but also how expensive simply making systems with DDR5 and lots of PCIe Gen5 is.
@seanscon
@seanscon Жыл бұрын
How do the individual CPUs communicate between each other to spawn new threads?
@murraywebster1228
@murraywebster1228 2 жыл бұрын
Could I use a server as a basis for a DAW?
@capability-snob
@capability-snob 2 жыл бұрын
These things sound a bit like a large sinousidal oscillator at C8 at full volume - you really don't want one sitting in the same room as you!
@murraywebster1228
@murraywebster1228 2 жыл бұрын
@@capability-snob that’s clear, I’d put it somewhere away from my mixing desk, in my cellar probably
@FutureChaosTV
@FutureChaosTV 2 жыл бұрын
You probably could. But does it make any sense is another question.
@bits2646
@bits2646 2 жыл бұрын
Holly crap that's a nice machine... Just in time for my homelab :P Regarding this, I'm going with only dual 64 core and 1tb mem, I think that's enugh for few VMs and containers for homelab VM host + nas, VPN, DNS, fw/router + media server :PPP Keep dreaming, but would be nice anyway
@JordansTechJunk
@JordansTechJunk 2 жыл бұрын
But can it run Crysis?
@niniknoxville
@niniknoxville 2 жыл бұрын
336 watts only for the four fans 😀
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 2 жыл бұрын
No !
@renchesandsords
@renchesandsords 2 жыл бұрын
still kinda wanna see the r23 number tho
@Zecko19
@Zecko19 2 жыл бұрын
2×2600W Gaspower-ed 😉
@SwedishDeathLlama
@SwedishDeathLlama 2 жыл бұрын
Can those passive heatsinks cool 400W apiece without thermal throttling?
@guy_autordie
@guy_autordie 2 жыл бұрын
The CFM of those fans should be high enough. Also, the air intake temp should be cold enough thanks to the AC.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
We got ~3% higher performance at 400W cTDP on the 96C parts. Mentioned it in the main site article but those numbers were not done when the video was recorded.
@blazetechstuff
@blazetechstuff 2 жыл бұрын
7A fans. i can hear them from here
@jmtake85
@jmtake85 Жыл бұрын
why will any server need 384 threads? for what
@SK-do2kn
@SK-do2kn Жыл бұрын
이정도면 지뢰찾기 풀옵션해도 잘 돌아가겠다. 함 써보게 보내줘바요 돈은 그대들이 지불 하시고,
@dfsafadsDW
@dfsafadsDW Жыл бұрын
Ah yes perfect for my TrueNAS server!
@mspencerl87
@mspencerl87 2 жыл бұрын
If you lift that thing fully loaded you're going to need a mega pint
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
This is not too bad. The GPU and 60-100 drive storage servers are much heavier.
@41chemist19
@41chemist19 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this as someone who's not in the industry but is a tech enthusiast. I see everyone here mentioning Microsoft and Oracle licensing costs for servers being crazy because of per core licensing. Is there not another solution? Why does everyone need to use this software?
@zbigniewmalec4816
@zbigniewmalec4816 2 жыл бұрын
Because lots of legacy software were written with those solutions in mind as there was no easy alternatives back then. Right now such solutions exist and both vendors doing their best to maintain income in shrinking market
@41chemist19
@41chemist19 2 жыл бұрын
@@zbigniewmalec4816 thanks for the info
@Flight1530
@Flight1530 2 жыл бұрын
sounds expensive, I want one lol
@scudsturm1
@scudsturm1 2 жыл бұрын
and now the fan noise
@falklan
@falklan 2 жыл бұрын
Sure I have one of those downstairs
@fteoOpty64
@fteoOpty64 2 жыл бұрын
Hehe "fans there to make you feel good ?!!!". Jesus, these data centre fans sound like a jet engine at full blast!. They needed phenomenal airflow across the slim channels designed for cooling. Decades of data centre work in both IT and Telecom premises means I needed earplugs if I had to work for hours troubleshooting a particular server. Plus thick clothing as well!.
@low_etc
@low_etc 2 жыл бұрын
When will AMD take over Intel in server marketshare?
@Eugensson
@Eugensson 11 ай бұрын
5W per DDR slot?! Isn't it too much?
@BusAlexey
@BusAlexey 10 ай бұрын
Nope
@huplim
@huplim 2 жыл бұрын
1.2kW not fully loaded in a 2U. Nice.
@arnoldoree
@arnoldoree 2 жыл бұрын
😍😍😍
@Jibs-HappyDesigns-990
@Jibs-HappyDesigns-990 2 жыл бұрын
🤖🥩🍞🥗🍰👍I wish U would tell us about the chipset's also! pure genious! why go over the mountain, when we can visit the lake!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
No chipset here.
@bryanbrewer4272
@bryanbrewer4272 2 жыл бұрын
Full nerdgasm!!!
@張素真-b3r
@張素真-b3r Жыл бұрын
😊Taiwan 🇹🇼No1 😉
@thomasponisch1134
@thomasponisch1134 2 жыл бұрын
i will hear the noise of this server...
@okoeroo
@okoeroo 2 жыл бұрын
Licensing is killing innovation...
@TCOphox
@TCOphox 2 жыл бұрын
I bet you can compile Chromium in 3 hours xd
@phils5109
@phils5109 2 жыл бұрын
im never going to approve purchase on asus hardware, just no way
@ChinchillaBONK
@ChinchillaBONK 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like if this guy buys these himself to give us reviews , his KZbin revenue is not enough to cover the costs.
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
Remember, the STH main site is ~10x the size of the KZbin channel at this point. The reason we do not do more video reviews of the servers we review on the main site is that the audience is much smaller for us. Right now KZbin is a subset of what we do on the website.
@mentalplayground
@mentalplayground 2 жыл бұрын
No RAM installation montage! SCANDAL!
@spambot7110
@spambot7110 2 жыл бұрын
frist
@scudsturm1
@scudsturm1 2 жыл бұрын
die frist ist abgelaufen
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