3D Printer SCAMS!

DO NOT get scammed on Facebook! I talk to 3 SCAMMERS and share some tips on how to recognize scams.
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[@LeisureLuke]

The timing of this video is impeccable. A "3d artist" was offering to do 3d modeling and animation for me. He was only willing to use PayPal friends and family (no buyer protection). Also, I could reverse image search everything in his "portfolio" to find he was not the creator. Be careful people, and HIGH FIVE 3DPN! Keep up the good work!

[@Filmitvfxstudios]

Yep i've had this from facebook

[@3DJapan]

To be fair as a freelance 3D artist I can understand asking for friends and family because there are no fees taken out by PayPal, they may not have even known about the buyer protection. Of course if their portfolio is fake that's another story.

[@LeisureLuke]

Agreed, that alone isn't a red flag, and I offered to cover the PayPal fees 😄 I know that 3.5% can impact a small business. Then the scammer said "Paypal doesn't work here unless its friends & family". I'm also paying out of a business account, and don't want problems calling it an expense. Clearly I got pretty far into the conversation with the scammer 😖

[@TheFeralEngineer]

I have to deny and ban dozens of these idiots daily in my printing groups

[@aminproduct]

😮 amazing video

[@mrnlce7939]

So what I'm learning from this is don't click on any links that Joel sends you. Got it! Great video. Keep up the good work.

[@awilliams1701]

it's harmless. It just records your location. If you have nothing to hide not a big deal.

[@onua5280]

When I was a maker at RMRRF, someone walked up to me and asked if I wanted to review a resin printer. (They showed me a sample print) Then they asked if I would pay for the printer to review! And I said no since it was probably a scam. This video pretty much confirmed that for me. Thanks 3D Printing Nerd! Also high five!

[@davel9130]

This reminds me of the TV marketers who say, "We'll send you a second product for FREE! You only need to pay shipping and handling."

[@devmacosx]

Good guy Joel. Making the world a safer and better place, one yt video a time!

[@xXKisskerXx]

If a company isn't willing to eat the shipping cost - they aren't real. Shipping is basically nothing overall, even the expensive hundreds of dollars shipping - not only do big companies get deals on, but they eat the cost because even a mild review will get them lots of attention and sales, if the product is decent. Otherwise they don't trust their products, or are simply in it for your money so they can run. Scammer 1 - seemed like a AI bot. Scammer 2 - it's not up to contacts to keep in touch with the company, it's up to the company to keep in touch with the reviewers, the reviewer only reviews.. .they aren't devoting their lives to it. Scammer 3 - ah yes when all your scams fail, accuse the other of being the scammer! Project HARDER THAN IMAX

[@kameljoe21]

I just got samples in from a company that sent it via UPS and likely cost 20 dollars. The sample set came with a bunch of goodies as well. Nice drinking cup as well.

[@elvendragonhammer5433]

You should send that info to your contcts @ Creality so that they at least know it's going on- it'd be a lot easier for them to put out a public announcement to potential customers etc, than just the audiance your channel reaches. Cool vid by the way & thanks for helping ppl from getting takin in by this scam.

[@louyuno]

At first I laughed and said "This is so obvious. Who could possibly fall for it?" but then I realized that I burnt two email addresses when I was younger because I used them in "WIN THIS ITEM" scam ads and they just sold my data... I'm glad that you show everyone how those people operate, so they don't have to make that experience... or worse.

[@justinchamberlin4195]

I assumed that the video would focus on the various Kickstarter scams from over the years, but this is so much more useful - these sorts of posts come up pretty regularly across the various groups I'm in. While they're easy enough to identify and avoid, that doesn't make them any less annoying.

[@ackthbbft]

Yep, anyone else remember the Tiko unibody delta printer? I got nailed on that one, fortunately it wasn't for much. I'm not doing too badly, though, so far out of 28 Kickstarters I've backed, only 2 didn't deliver.

[@dia35]

It's getting bad. Even on websites that you obtain files from. When I've wrote to a few designers with an issue on their file, I've had some ask for my personal email so they can send "the fixed file" to you once they have it fixed.

[@OneHappyCrazyPerson]

It's so unclear nobody understands what your talking about.

[@timetokickit]

​@@OneHappyCrazyPersonpeople are trying to infect him with malware

[@dia35]

@@OneHappyCrazyPerson sorry, didn't know I had to spell it out in leaman's terms. Bad people asking for personal email, this is against site policies, they want to sell my email or put bad things on my computer. Don't ever give your personal email out. Is this better? If it sounds a little coarse, but it is. I'm only trying to warn people, but if it means this kind of explanation holding someone's hand, than you are on your own.

[@Twodoorsmorewh0res]

someone was most likely just trying to be nice and send you the updated file.. nobody is paying for your email address. Also, your email provider most likely has antivirus protection. You would also see what kind of attachment they sent anyway. If it isn't an.STL, don't download it.

[@OneIdeaTooMany]

Facebook and Instagram are notorious for hosting these kinds of scams... funny that they're both owned by Meta. I've been through this before. I've ranted at them in Chinese and they go ballistic once they know what you're saying.

[@awilliams1701]

it's just a coincidence. They used to frequently use yahoo instant messenger. And meta owns neither. facebook and instagram actually are great choices because of high trafic flow (why does windows have the most viruses? it's because it has the largest install base).

[@thatHARVguy]

They hold cosplayer's reach hostage, yet are a-okay with promoting scammers. Tells ya which one Meta gets paid to care about more.

[@dandw1442]

please NEVER give them advice what they are doing wrong!

[@awilliams1701]

like they are going to learn fluent english. lol

[@TROPtastic]

Them accepting this advice would make it not a scam lol. Could you imagine a scammer going "Need testers for a printer, send me your address and I'll pay to ship a printer to you"?

[@radicalrick9587]

*Any time someone offering these new printers says: IM "ME", email "ME", etc... that right there should be the first and only reg flag you need that it's a scam. The "ME" clearly exposes it as probably a scammer.*

[@tommo9757]

At my previous company much of the IT department had been off-shored to India. Trying to have an in-depth technical conversation went much like this. 😂

[@sigmadesigners]

Bangladesh is a country, not a part of India.

[@rudikemperman]

@@sigmadesigners Tommo never said that Bangladesh is in India, it was just an example ;-).

[@whattheworld9298]

@@rudikemperman whatever he still insulted Indians🥸

[@janosnagyj.9540]

@@whattheworld9298 He just wrote a _fact_ . If that fact is offending for them, well, it's their own fault... 😅

[@eternalkungfu3819]

​@@janosnagyj.9540 If you came to that conclusion by watching a bunch of s* caller videos, just observe in most of those videos the s* caller voice is identical/same and you believe them so hard. Can you name any country without sca*****s? When someone mentioned a country like this it means that they don't know outside world/ they don't l*ike that country/ they are j*ealous of that country.

[@TravelingSolo]

I’ve had a number of scammers be honest with me when I call them out. One in particular…when I said to him, “so you’re scamming people out of their hard earned money. That is pathetic, why do you do it?” and the kid replied, very quietly….”I guess because I’m pathetic, too.” He went on to explain that he had a family to support and there were no jobs to be found that paid enough (he said he was in Pakistan.) It was an eye opening convo. Of course, there are others that immediately launch into a profanity-laced tirade, so there’s that.

[@enochroot9438]

One thing I would say for the 3D printing community is that there is a good level of integrity among the Printfluencers. Rarely see any shilling on new product launches, pretty level and objective reviews , pros and cons etc

[@hd-be7di]

Joel trolling 3d printing scammers... my late Tuesday night entertainment

[@theotherbart]

Thank you Joel for educating people the way you do. Just the fact that they don’t know you is already proof they are scammers IMHO ;-)

[@willeykev]

EXCELLENT Vid Joel!! Please make more videos on this topic and others which help protect us all - GREAT and yes, humorous work!! 🙂

[@apocalypsegardens]

I could not stop laughing at this video. We all deal with this garbage from scammers everyday. You should've told him your name was Malcom Merlyn.

[@nickfinity]

You didn't blur out France person's address the first time in the screenshot just to let you know.

[@pileofstuff]

It's likely a fake anyway.

[@poet99999]

"opps"

[@camplays487]

@@pileofstufflikely isn’t good enough

[@justsomeguy471]

our boy joel doin gods work here, f those scammers man

[@shanejohnson970]

Thanks Joel for doing this video. I love that you are informing and protecting your viewers. This was fun to watch! 😊

[@mururoa7024]

Scammers are sometimes hilarious. Their English is priceless.

[@cpace123]

I would laugh if they set up a Chat GPT scammer

[@donalexander1933]

I'm sure someone already has

[@TechJeeper]

You need to collaborate with Kitboga on some more of these!

[@scarfa21]

hes the best lol

[@piratetv1]

This was more Atomic Shrimp style

[@user-qn7rs5im3q]

Awesome video. I usually ignore those facebook scams but now I am going to post your video in the comments every time I see one of those scams. Thanks

[@3DJapan]

One thing is that a lot of companies, Creality included, will go through a third party to handle reviews. So some of these things may be legit but just feel shady. They say they represent Creality but don't have a Creality address.

[@knifeyonline]

you don't know creality email address?! 😆 how did they think that line of reasoning was going to work... omg. Made me laugh.

[@3DPrintSOS]

Great work Joel. There are a TON of these going around on Facebook.

[@only1muppet]

I waste scammers time all the time, it’s fun and frustrating 😄 Using the take a pic line always gets them to either run away or come back with “ I’m not a scammer, but you must be” line. It’s even funnier when they have poor English and get mad 😁

[@PortalFPV]

I love getting scammers, because I know better. ALL who know better should waste as much of their time as possible because for every minute they are wasting on you, that's less time they are scamming someone who doesn't know better

[@obscenity]

If they ever tell you, you have to pay for shipping; tell them "sure, mark it as paid on delivery", or you can also register to have your address a valid postage paid address, so they can use a postage paid stamp. zero cost if it never arrives

[@tiki-ed5573]

Two trees sent me a printer that wouldn't level, firmware would not load, and motherboard was completely fried on arrival. Was never able to use. This was my 6th 3d printer so I know what I'm doing. They completely refused to make it right. I will never buy from them again.

[@TraitorFelon.14.3]

Always tell them that you will pay the shipping cost once you receive the product. If you want to pay the shipping cost for a free product, that is. Same thing with the “you have been chosen to receive xx number of million dollars, but you must pay the bank to release them”. I always reply that they can take the release money and subtract from my millions.

[@Batenkaito]

Lol, if you pay close attention to the "wonderful little profilepicture" of scammer 3 you'll notice it's the same picture scammer 1 is showing in his messages.

[@lfthzmrk]

"It was really hard for me to say those words out loud" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ManishWayz]

I saw that same scam on Facebook, and the users name was Jackson Wu that was in communication with me. Glad I did the same thing and asked a ton of questions and kept the whole conversation.

[@radicalrick9587]

*We're looking for some test drivers for our **_Bugatti Veyron Super Sport_** for about 12 months. All you have to do is transfer/wire $5,000 for shipping the car to your location. Once we receive confirmation of the shipping payment the test **_Bugatti Veyron Super Sport_** should arrive in about 2-5 days, depending on your location.* 🤣

[@ghostshadow1]

I had a similar thing happen trying to buy a steam deck second hand. They went through basically the exact same type of dialog. It was obvious that it was a scam. I just sucks there are people out there that feel they have to do this stuff. Its crazy!

[@SirTools]

The one that comes into my channel all the time required us to "download" a PDF file which MUST be on a PC. That is a RED FLAG, also they seem to always have a "gmail" account by so called work for a company like Creality which is another Red Flag. Recently we had one ask us to order the 3d printer from Amazon to review and they would pay us back once the video was posted. The worst is when they ask how much it will cost to pay for a full video and they will so called pay 1/2 before release using a bank transfer system, again...SCAMMERS....And we get dozens per week like this. Funny how bad the English can be too which is another way to see through their Scam.

[@oilguygamer1744]

I thought your video was fantastic. I have to admit that I only stumbled on your video by accident while doing a search about something else. I however am glad and grateful, actually because I did get scammed myself, only once, but I know most people do not admit it. I thoroughly enjoyed your video. Thanks,

[@iZilly]

i was a victim of this but i paid with paypal and the transfer was done as a business so i easily got my money back but i did warn everyone else about these scamming losers! hope worst karma hits them!

[@pheenix42]

Someone tried something similar with a motorcycle part I'd been looking for. Claimed he was in Florida, but the UPS tracking number he provided was from UPS international, and that's when the alarms went off in my head. Don't worry, he didn't get my money.

[@EtherealProject3D]

I see lots of these scams. Its sad that people fall for it.

[@boblalonde5164]

A scammer is an Uncurable Cancer, what does a Medical Doctor do to cure the patient? Justice should start thinking like Doctors does.

[@daviddiegel1239]

I hope the contact at the manufacturers are made aware of this and that the manufacturers are willing to attempt to prosecute the scammers.

[@LarryTalbot_1313]

I recently bought a 3D printer from Creality during their Labor Day sale (got cheated out of 8 bucks, by not ordering something small first, because they give you a bigger discount if you buy something else. There's a hot tip for anyone looking to buy one. Let my loss by your savings!) Anyway all they send is a box with a couple of stickers on it. No invoice, no nothing. Every thing is sent by e-mail! In case anyone wants to know its sent by "X" and that's incase any scammers are reading this. I'll let you decode that. So that invoice is totally fake, probably something they bought at a hardware store for a buck and they altered it. Although my rent receipts do come that way, so I don't know! Thanks for keeping us informed!

[@teitgenengineering]

If there even a person it sounds like a chat with an ai

[@jakefromstatefarm8545]

OMG. This is a horrible situation but hearing you read through the discussion is freaking hilarious!

[@hanelyp1]

The requirement to pay shipping for any "free" offer is a BIG tell.

[@jesseburson]

Ran into to one in the Geeetech group. Wanted 75$ for shipping. i told them no. Then they said I could pay the shipping in installments!

[@JonLaRue]

Yeah I have gotten a few of these as well.

[@TheFeralEngineer]

I got this exact same bs and knew it was a scam. I called them out and he sent me a middle finger meme 😂

[@3DJapan]

This reminds me of a couple of times when I was told I'd get a review unit, all I had to do was buy it on Amazon and they'd refund me. Now I don't believe this is a money scam. I think they would do it, but it's fake Amazon sales. Admittedly in my early days I did do this once with a small item (like $20) and did get refunded.

[@xXKisskerXx]

this is probably because Amazon allows small purchases to just get refunded for basically any reason and isn't worth their time or inventory to put it back in warehouses. I recently bought a heater, but it's the wrong one, it was like $10. When I requested a refund, they said 'just keep it, refund is on the way' - despite me fully expecting to take it to a UPS store and drop it off (taking time and a little money for gas) - but that's just how rich Amazon is overall... Billions in profit.

[@ThePrintHouse]

This is a great relaxed change of pace. I love the for this video!

[@Enjoymentboy]

I had fun with a scammer like this a couple of years ago. After my first email in perfect English I switched to VERY broken English with horrible spelling and grammar. I managed to waste their time for over a week before they told me that it was too difficult to understand me. I then sent them an email from a different address telling them (again, in perfect English) that I was the friend of the other person and I was very interested. they replied very excitedly and I then continued the remainder of the conversation in very broken English with horrible grammar and spelling. This went on for a few more days of back and forth emails when they just stopped replying. I waited about a month and sent them another email saying I had just graduated from my ESL class and that I was very sorry that we had not been able to communicate properly They replied and I then put everything I wrote into google translate in Esperanto. they stopped responding right away.

[@MrCPPG]

Scams are why I got off Facebook. They refused to do anything to stop the scammers.

[@knifeyonline]

it really does seem like that doesn't it. when you're a programmer, it seems very easy to see the platform could easily do something... but they just don't try.

[@michellelawhorn6220]

I've seen quite a lot where someone, usually someone either brand new or has never made a post in that group before, will make a post asking things like "why do you think 3D printing has lasted so long?" or "what is the future of 3D printing?". They'll use that engagement to lure people to them then try to say they'll make 3D models for them if they just pay with Bitcoin or something. Sad part is those scammers are more sophisticated than the ones in other hobby groups (most common ones I see otherwise are "I'm blessing the first [###] people to inbox me with [$$$$$]", "I'm giving away a PS5 my child had, but they died and I just can't bear to look at it", and "no one has found the number that's different from the others, find it and I'll give you [$$$]"). It's just so bizarre to me that it's so widespread and that people still fall for the dumbest scam attempts.

[@anaon.industries]

I had the second one contacting me as well ^^ Smelled the bullshit immediately after having a look at his profile.

[@JonLaRue]

Thanks for doing this Joel!

[@LicheLordofUndead]

Thank you, Joel, very good information

[@GreenFox1505]

I've asked for the selfie thing on dating apps. I've gotten ghosted or the selfie. And EVERYONE who ghosted me was sus long before they tried to get me off-app.

[@joeshmoe7967]

I would be tempted to make on offer for the shipping, say $5.00, just to see if they bite at all. Or offer to pay $1000 for the printer if they pay the shipping. Then tell them you will pay when the printer arrives. Just some variation to turn it around for fun.

[@PUTV3D]

Hi Joel, I did made these mistake last year on Facebook, I paid for shipping never heard from them again in person , thankfully payment was via PayPal so they did take care for me with this fraud. Never again ..

[@breannareyes2389]

I want a 3d printer so bad again it made me so happy , mine crapped out on me I have a bunch of filament I can’t wait to use but just don’t have the fund for another printer

[@dougwhiddon8227]

I had a Russian scammer call me and was bored, so I kept him on the phone for almost an hour. He told me I had won a cash prize and truck, I just had to pay tax and shipping. After awhile I got bored, told him I wasn't fooled. He called me an asshole and hung up. The only rule you need for spotting the scams is they want you to send them money before they will send your stuff.

[@MCRuCr]

You needed to tell them their exact location in an odd and random way. This will freak them out. Like "oh my mom just got back from her vacation in . She likes bangladesh a lot"

[@lasersterling]

Nice! Great video Joel!

[@user-dk6ws4oj6r]

Interesting clarification of what I thought was going on. Thanks for posting.

[@cpace123]

You need to send them a glitter package

[@sgt.sasquatch]

Perogie with Trilogy media 😂😂😂❤

[@maxim25o2]

First scammer is a bot chat. You can write 1000 messages and still will replay this same thing.

[@WillofNewZealand]

Hi Joel from Will and Mr Data :):] Give those scumbag scammers heaps. Im working on search engines, genuine thing found under 909 pirates, we must clean house. Plus or minus 13 years. Its not good enough. The losses to comunity of not being found are epic in scale. Keep up the good work Joel.

[@MrSubsound90]

As much as I want to give people the benefit of the doubt if they are trying to provide for their family...if they are harming other people and their families to do so...then my benefit is used up and I hope something really terrible happens to them and the "company" they work for.

[@3dprintingaddict203]

Thats always a Red flag. when they want you to pay for shipping.

[@John_Mack]

Scammers are the scum of the earth. They are thieves and should be treated as such.

[@MrMndon]

WHAT??? You're saying I'm out the 200.00 dollars I sent to Omar Yang???? This was amazing to watch.

[@dupre7416]

It's a shame but nowadays you have to assume everything is a scam. I enjoy listening to people say the non-spoken part of messages like. "new line, new line, ellipsis, ellipsis" 👍

[@SvdSinner]

It always surprises me how little oversight Facebook does on there ads. Many are scams and many more are for products you can routinely buy substantially cheaper than their 89% off super discount price they advertise.

[@3DPrintTechDesign]

Yup this is a super big issue in all FB groups. Keep reporting them folks!

[@jamesyoung7400]

Playing along with the pausing, my guess is Bangladesh followed by Vietnam. I worked for a telco in the past and we had tons of criminals from those regions trying to get phone number so they can use them to verify with Amazon and other market places that they are 'real American Business'. Also, the my friend stuff reminds me of a middle eastern merchant always with the my friend my friend.

[@xenoserum]

I love wasting scammers time as I'm always multitasking so no skin off my nose and its fun to watch them get infuriated with it. I'd also send all the details you have to there local authorities and to FB/Paypal and Gmail too just to hinder them if only for a little.

[@MatthewScur]

My guess is India. Scamming is big business there.

[@ahmedal-modaifea4457]

One thing we all have to learn from this video, don't click on links from unknown sources. Even if it's from a known KZbinr.

[@MrMobius2011]

Scam Crowdfunding ones would be good. Also any follow ups that you're aware off ie profiles disappearing? Great video though I loved the investigations. You're becoming the Jim Browning of the printing world :)

[@3DPFactory1]

I think Sam Prentice did a thing about the printer scammera last year. Good to remind everyone they are still trying it on.

[@Lizard008]

I work in IT support. over the past 20-ish years, I've seen many services offshored (outsourced) to India. You can't discuss anything that goes outside the script borders. You can't troubleshoot with them, as logic seems a foreign concept. You always get a "yes-yes" with 0 follow-up, unless excuses that seem invented on the spot by a 10-year old count. A quick cost-benefit analysis will show that cheap off shore services are actually more expensive. (I'm convinced there are also proper companies out there, that do provide decent service for the cost... But I've yet to experience them) Long story short: after a few interactions, I know where these scammers are located. *sighs* I wish I didn't...

[@oceanic8424]

I see that your filament spools are NOT stored in a controlled environment. Do you pre-dry/dehumidify each spool prior to printing, or maybe do you use an inline drying device?

[@3DPrintingNerd]

Nope. The room air climate controlled. I’ll dry TPU but that’s it.

[@MarieLuiseOrland]

I also made some reviews. Never ever wanted someone shipping costs from me. Some wanted me to buy the product on amazon first and provide proof for the review and then send me the money (or a before hand defined part of the money) I paid for it. But this people didn't wanted an address from me. I made also reviews for some bigger firms. If you are a small blogger or youtuber you have to ask them for products. But if you ask friendly, they'all most of the time work with you. But you have to know, they'll only pay the shipping costs. Most of the you'll have a time frame of two weeks for testing and then need to send back the product. But you don't have to pay the shipping costs!

[@Zachary3DPrints]

Yeah I have had several of those too. For me the same story, paying for the shipping cost, which I didn't fall for it

[@cywulf01]

It's a miracle they didn't ask you to pay with Apple gift cards or xbox points cards. Many of them do.

[@pv8685]

joel i have to say this: for me you are the 3d printing god!

[@gambo-ree2734]

Can we have more scam content surrounding 3D printing? This was a fun video.

[@3DPrintingNerd]

Working on it!

[@kristiandevil]

I wonder how many people actually fall for this scam. I would hope, since 3d printing is a relatively techy area, people must be aware this can't be legit

[@Smarti0101]

I wrote with a scammer, just to confirm the same method. I insulted the scammer at the end and blocked him 🤣 I was warned by an FB post that this is a scam.

[@Zeldur]

Gezz, the link you sent is terrifying. That may be more useful than knowing to not trust people saying it's free but pay shipping. I had a scam... I think twice when trying to sell on FB marketplace. Once was me selling a leather jacket and someone wanted to buy it and send it to Florida. Already suspicious. They then tried to say they'll send $100 and I can send. $40 back or something like that. After that I just reported the account and blocked them. I had another scammer, this time on the phone, that tried asking for my mom and inquiring about a loan over the mail? I hung up on that one pretty quickly. Should probably block that phone number as well

[@jesusherrera2749]

First dude doesn’t even look like a peng tang. That’s the first red flag right there.

[@surfalex2000]

We are eager to wait for your XL Review

[@OggyGTA]

"Hosan, the miniature Iron Man" creased me up! 🤣

[@oasntet]

These use a lot of the same language as the advance fee scammers that ask for a processing fee to send you a visa prepaid card with millions of dollars on them. Atomic Shrimp has tons of these exchanges and a lot of the English-as-second-language phrases are the same. Even the appeals to 'faith' are the same.

[@zx85]

16:01 In my head, the Pleasant Green Nigeria music started playing...

[@dekopuma]

I appreciate you spreading the news of this scam. I'm not sure much is to be gained from talking to the scammers though.