Bambu Lab X1C Long Term Review (6 Months)

[@NTS384]

Although I have only had my X1C for 4 days at this point, I have experienced an abbreviated version of some of the issues you describe minus the customer support. I did not experience the customer support issues because as soon as my issues arrived, I went to the community through forums and youtube (your channel included) to work on my machine. I went into the purchase with the idea that their machine would just work. For the first 2 prints it did. Then the issues arrived and I have been running calibration and testing since. Having the early mentality that I am most likely going to have to fix the machine due to the slow and inadequate customer support that BL, much like many other companies provide I think set me up of better success. I am not new to 3d printing as I have been running a few SLA printers for years at this point but I am new to FDM printing. Having to troubleshoot and correct issues on my own gave me a much deeper understanding of the process. This machine as described from many of the creators on youtube is just supposed to work out of the box. While it has for some, like you it has not for me. I have it dialed in now but at a pretty significant cost of my own time and filament. I really do hope BL can up their QC and CS and provide a better experience for newbies to FDM like me. That being said a friend of mine is getting ready to purchase a new machine in the next week and I told him if he was stuck on BL, get a P1P or P1S and use Orca slicer. You don't need to spend as much money on a machine because you are sold to a customer service and quality that is not there out of the box and you might as well save the money.

[@3DMusketeers]

Doesn't it suck to have people say "oh mine works fine" and provide absolutely no helpful advice for crap like that?? Ugh.. Sorry you are going through issues. If you want, email me and I will do what I can to help!

[@NTS384]

@3DMusketeers Thanks for the reply. Fortunately I have been able to get almost all of my issues solved for now. I am sure more will arise. Keep up the good work sir, great content.

[@3DMusketeers]

thats a plus at least!

[@anthonylong5870]

Nah man, Save your friend the issues. Tell him to get a Flashforge 5M , it is FAR the better machine. I have a P1P and it is dead after 4 days. And YOU CANNOT RETURN A Bambu printer if you open the box.

[@nickpepper4592]

This is what consumers need. Completely open about pros and cons. Great job

[@3DMusketeers]

glad you enjoyed it!

[@user-pm9mz6dw3i]

Exactly! The facebook group became a toxic environment of newcomers with zero experience but all the knowledge of what to say about how great bambu labs printers are lol.. it's change once they hit a year and end up posting solely asking for help with everything

[@Ybalrid]

The fact that you *fixed* this thing by running carbon fiber filament through it is *wild*

[@3DMusketeers]

it surprised me too!

[@nunovicente34]

The only thing I think off is that it had to much resistance in the filament path and the CF wore it out

[@3DMusketeers]

yep, that is my guess too.

[@_JustBeingCasual]

​@@3DMusketeers Have you tried another brand filament? perhaps the diameter is not consistent. I never worked with CF but since people say it might have worn of by CF I assume it's a bit less slippery (smooth)? it might be that the gears tension is not correct and because it's less slippery you have a better grip or something like that. Baseless but perhaps it gives idea's

[@dbtest117]

@@3DMusketeers The bed at 3:18 doesn’t give me any confidence of a successful print. I don’t own a bamboo lab printer so can’t speak for it. But to me it seems you are using a glass bed, not sure if it’s coated or not. I use coated glass beds and I always clean them before I print. Maybe you are using some glue, I’ve never used glue so can’t speak for that either. I I just use a spray can of isopropanol and a paper tissue to clean my bed.

[@engageintellect]

Over 1,500 hours on my X1C. Never had a single issue. AMS has never clogged or had issues. I even skip bed leveling 90% of the time, and still get perfect first layers. The only time I have had failed prints was when I tried to do something goofy in the slicer. Oh ya, and I run it on sport, and mode exclusively. Cause, who wants to wait… I use sunlu PLA, PETG, Bambu PLA-CF and TPU. I was recommended to get a x1c by 3 people I work with (engineers), who all have multiple machines with no issues to speak of. Sounds like you got a lemon.

[@3DMusketeers]

This would be my second lemon in a row then..

[@3DMusketeers]

I know how to print on the machine, but the machine does not know how to work.. That is not on me.

[@scarfa21]

@@elleryfg7853 dumbest comment yet...troll

[@irbose9895]

You sound like a lying bot for hire lmao

[@irql2]

Same, lots and lots of people have similar experiences. I'm one of them, the fact that he has 2 lemons leads me to believe its something hes doing to them. He does like to tinker after all, and this is not a tinkerer's printer. This is the iphone experience, you hit print and print. If I were a betting person, I'd bet on the user causing this. Doesn't mean he didnt get two lemons, its just I'll play the odds every time.

[@Bennett_Lab]

Ive been printing my on my X1 Carbon since it came out without a single issue. I have over 6 printers and nothing beats the quality and speed of my X1. For starters maybe keep yours clean at least. Looking at all that filament on the bottom gave me anxiety. I do minimum monthly maintenance and the thing runs like a gem

[@3DMusketeers]

There was a reason for all that. I literally talk about it in the episode. It was all put there to show how much crap the printer accumulates. I've had nothing but issues with Bambu. Hundreds of hours spent trouble shooting, dealing with support, and frankly getting nowhere. It's on its way back. The most unreliable printers out of the 54 here at the shop.

[@unalike8052]

What type of maintenance

[@tomdeleon6538]

His backround should tell you everything you need to know about keeping it clean..

[@3DMusketeers]

@tomdeleon6538 You mean my active shop where we work and make parts for people? That background? I am sorry that I am busy and didnt take the time needed to keep it clean for you... -_- @unalike8052 What do you mean by maintenance? Like the stuff we tried? Little actual maintenance was needed, it was more of issues for repairs and such.

[@anthonylong5870]

My Bambu P1P is complete garbage. COMPLETE GARBAGE! I have had it 4 days and it has now killed itself and the extruder is stuck BANGING against the back carriage and will not move. Support told me...I CANNOT GET A REFUND because i opened the box.....Again if you open the box. You cannot return it NO MATTER WHAT. And on top of that they told me that I have to send it to them at $80 return shipping. On top of that shipping it to them will cost me ANOTHER $100 because they say it has to have XXX amount of insurance. BAMBU SUCKS!

[@joenicholson2213]

I think this is the only bad review of a Bambu I have seen on youtube

[@3DMusketeers]

ok?

[@lipinskirl]

@@3DMusketeers (?) because it sounds pretty fake for views…

[@johnnyc.2307]

Good, this thing ain't perfect like everyone says

[@3DMusketeers]

@@lipinskirl Why dont you watch the other content we have on Bambu, like ALL the streams where I was trying to fix it over and over again.. It aint fake my dude. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your purchase I guess... @johnnyc.2307 exactly. It is not. It has flaws, and more than just QC and QA issues.. data security is a HUGE issue.

[@lipinskirl]

@@3DMusketeers I’ve had multiple’s of systems from Ender 3’s to Prusa’s over the years along with countless commercial systems at work where we currently have a Creatbot F1000. The X1 Carbon was the easiest setup straight out of the box with very minimal issues. I can’t tell you the immense issues I had with my first Prusa. Compared to what you use to have to go through to get an accurate print, Bambu Lab is light years ahead. I’m not saying it doesn’t have issues, I’m saying if you have been 3D printing for longer than a couple years, (which I’m sure you have) this thing is a Cadillac. So keep complaining or simply figure out what’s wrong and fix it. If you can’t maybe this isn’t your thing, or you have forgotten where the industry was just a few years ago. This is where you’re going to try to tell me you built your first Anet A8 and it printed perfect without burning down your house. That was only 8yrs ago now we have the X1… Again, Light years of difference. I remember building these things from scratch searching the web for simple code fixes. So, ya a bad review is a little shocking.

[@woodwaker1]

While their printers have been marketed towards new users, I think having experience with Creality and building two Rat Rigs has helped me. I have never contacted Bambu Support, but have fixed my own problems. Early on I realized that I would need spare parts, and they are fairly priced. I have replaced the extruders on both my X1 carbon and P1P, and have spare hot end assemblies - I use the AMS sparingly, prefer using the external spool for single color PLA. My biggest complaint is the lack of a simple network hookup - like I have running Klipper on my Rat Rigs.

[@3DMusketeers]

pure klipper would be great!

[@kenb6565]

1 year in with x1c. I have built printers and used many, including high end rigs. It has been the best experience i have ever had to date. Its amazing.

[@3DMusketeers]

I wish I could agree. I've had nothing but issues with the first 2. The 3rd, that was sent by a fan, has some quirks that I'm working through but has been much more reliable than something I bought from Bambu. The fan sent one did have some damage to it, that's why they got rid of it.. fun times.

[@ChadTorkkola]

Totally agree . I'm not even interested in messing with it. I've had a couple issues and support is passable.

[@3DMusketeers]

@@ChadTorkkola It seems that most who deal with support on very technical issues end up upset, but the more basic ones they seem to handle okay. Hopefully their support improves as I think that is currently holding them back quite a bit.

[@ChadTorkkola]

Hey there@@3DMusketeers I am a life long software engineer who has quite a bit of experience in dealing with / leading support teams. I think that having a good expectation of what the support team is likely dealing with helps me to understand the correct way to pose questions to get support and meet them on a place where they can actually help. My issues were not too severe for sure but if I were in your shoes I have just removed the modded stuff to get that issue out of the way. While your assertions that your mods we likely not the root of your issue its a tough place that you put support in when you are not using standard equipment. (Especially while working with level 1 support whos' role is really deal with common issues and gather information / prepare cases that are going to be escalated. My experience with this printer has been pretty great , ive had mine since April!

[@3DMusketeers]

We did remove the mods, the issues got worse, so we put them back on. You are watching a single video in a whole saga of problems with these machines. We went down that train a bunch. But to be clear, a bed and a mechanism to align the filament to better feed into the AMS is not something that would even remotely cause the issues we had.

[@rache5399]

So glad i watched this. Bambu support was horrible to work with when UPS sent my printer back when i paid for them to hold it. Wanted me to pay $111 to get it back to me and when emailing there would be radio silence for days. I finally said i wanted a refund. Ordered August 18th and going back and forth with support has now taken me over 2 weeks and I havent even gotten a confirmation that they'll actually refund it. I really want an AMS but have been apprehensive to buy another bambu unit. I think this video has finally tipped my scale. Thank you so much!!

[@3DMusketeers]

Absolutely. Sorry you've had a rough experience!

[@skywardsoul1178]

This is exactly why I've largely sworn off of buying Chinese printers, doubly so if buying from the manufacturer. Too many bad experiences like this.

[@Sandwiches767]

Ive been loving my X1C combo and have relatively zero issues. You may have ended up with a couple lemons but that in itself is an issue.

[@3DMusketeers]

I agree, and alas BL support has not been great

[@kimmotoivanen]

Two lemons in a row is a big issue. Imagine a company building TVs or drones with such success rate. If a buyer has 50/60 chance (could be less 😅) of getting a bad printer, it's best to buy from a store that will replace or refund without trouble 🤔

[@3DMusketeers]

I agree! With distribution through microcenter and materhackers, even paying the MH fee (bout $100 it seems) would be ABSOLUTELY worth it to me.

[@raymondeskridge834]

@@kimmotoivanen They are not Lemons. I've owned 2 and printed around a thousand prints with ZERO issues. THIS Guy is a Prusa asskisser and will NEVER give this printer a fair shake...

[@OArchivesX]

Bad quality control is an issue, and predictable for a closed source printer from something far cheaper that the usual for what it offers. Nothing new.

[@ThatInfidel1]

I'm about 100 prints in with my X1C with 99% success rate so far. I'm really hoping I don't start running into major issues in the future. To be fair I'm not over adventurous when it comes to filaments etc, I pretty much just print the same brand ABS in different colors all day every day, so that could have something to do with it.

[@3DMusketeers]

I'm happy for you, however that has not been my experience. We have also had some fans with major maintenance issues as there's no way around some parts on the machines failing.

[@ThatInfidel1]

@@3DMusketeers Hopefully you are able to resolve your issues!

[@3DMusketeers]

Yeah, I sent the piles of crap back! We are starting to see users with similar issues popping up more and more, it has been interesting.

[@nrich5127]

I think you've highlighted a problem about Chinese products that will rear its ugly head more often if they start exporting electric cars to North America. The Chinese approach to manufacturing has and is to deliver the product to market at a cheaper price than anyone else and thus over time gain production facilities and export markets for their products. This looks good in the short term but there is a missing component in this formula - it's called after sales issues which include service , technical support , warrantee and long term reliability. You can have the highest performance machine in the world but if you can't get it serviced in a reasonable amount of time and cost then it's basically junk. Why a company would ignore or avoid identifying product problems and then effecting fixes and thus improving the machine is a major issue for me ( and I believe others ) .

[@3DMusketeers]

amen to that. It is exactly what I am dealing with now.. high cost (for consumer machines) with 0 support.

[@lookin4ward1]

Never had an issue with mine, very happy with it

[@3DMusketeers]

Continual issues with mine. Very disappointed

[@bluelynx4493]

600 print hours in not a single issue. Only 5 bad prints all bed adhesion issue. I run maintenance every 100 hours.

[@TheIncredibleMrT]

Learning to fix the bambus is the best thing you can do, i have found as a first timer that most of the fixes and maintenance really dont take that long once you get the hang of it, its just a new machine with new processes to learn

[@3DMusketeers]

It is why I prefer to build kits when I can!

[@TheFreestyleStorm]

Out of my fleet of printers haven't had an issue out of the 60 various printers at my shop. Bambus printers have raised the bar and i really hope the rest of the industry and can catch up.

[@3DMusketeers]

Bambu needs to get QC down as well as customer support IMO. It's definitely costing them business at the moment.

[@TheFreestyleStorm]

@@3DMusketeers Honestly have to agree while their hardware and software is great their customer support is lacking with long wait times and tedious work. Creality is no better either because the "community" will help you. regardless I hope the support gets better but I'm also just comfortable fixing everything myself as well. I'm sorry about your bad experiences but it's not representative of the actual machine. They work great! And opens up 3d printing to those who want a issue free experience! Beats any of my creality, elegoo or prusa machines for sure!

[@3DMusketeers]

I had 2 in a row. I believe poor QC is absolutely appropriate here. These machines are not designed to be serviceable. Try changing the pulleys out lol.

[@TheFreestyleStorm]

@@3DMusketeers i wonder if they sent you another refurbed unit it's highly unlikely to get two bad machines in a row. Bad luck my man haha. i've had 12 machines at my job with no issues. go figure :)

[@TheFreestyleStorm]

@@3DMusketeers but in the end it's everyones own experiences and i dont blame you for being hesitant i would be as well.

[@trinitysalvationministries2168]

Hi! Great review! I just bought my X1 and honestly I've not had time to have a problem but out of the box, it is amazing. I feel like somebody there at Bambu has listened to you and may have made some changes. Like the noise level. I have mine running next to me in my home office and the noise is not a problem at all so maybe they have changed the fans to quieter fans? I've not printed the parts you say that save the AMS from wearing out but I'm going to consider that for sure. How long do you think it would take before it causes catastrophic wear on the AMS? I've just been running Basic PLA and PLA-tough.

[@3DMusketeers]

No, they have not listened to me alas.. Severe AMS wear should be happening within 200 hours of use on it

[@bradclooney69]

@@3DMusketeerswhat filament do you use in the AMS that made it wear within 200 hours?

[@szaharfy]

This guy is super knowledgeable and I do not doubt he has the experience to back it up. I will say I work in IT and run into this type of personality very frequently who wants to solve the problem so bad that they will ignore support instructions, ignore updates, and try to customize things not meant to be customized which probably ends up conflating the issue. Also what data are you putting out that you are concerned about? You creating medical tags? Air gap your network if your worried about it being an attack vector. Going back to the data, the only way they can get better is collecting data at mass to correct the issues. I hate to tell you, every computer and phone regardless of brand is doing the same thing.

[@3DMusketeers]

We are ITAR, so yeah, close to medical. This would be fine but when a company asks for logs and they are encrypted and there's nothing you can do to view them, it's a risk. As for ignoring support, no, followed directions like a good boy. Can't update because it's online only, no offline method. As for customizations, once I gave up with support I tried going at it from different angles. That was one of them.

[@kieran.thejasperhouse]

My printer has been no-stop perfect the last 1500hrs it's been printing I just keep it clean and maintained. Bambu is doing leap and bounds of what any company in 3D printing has ever done. Plus the updates are making it better and better.

[@3DMusketeers]

I have not had that kind of luck.

[@Malisteen]

i bought a Bambu A1 at microcenter a week ago as my first 3d printer. So far so good, but this video has def given me some things to look out for. I hadn't heard about the orca slicer thing, if they don't start behaving in a more ethical way towards the open source community then my second 3d printer will be from someone else, even if I don't have any problems with my A1

[@c.j.1089]

Crazy. I've had only one issue which I figured out myself. Their customer service does suck. I thought about asking them and then I saw the ridiculous form they require to start a ticket and just broke down and fixed it myself. Overall my printer has been fantastic, pushing out nearly perfect prints.

[@3DMusketeers]

I am once again having serious issues with my machine and because it is incredibly anti right to repair, I am on my own.

[@yothazme2]

hey, I'm thinking of buying one of these to replace my creality rigs that I'm sick of having to touch up every time I want to print. Can I ask what issue you had/how you fixed it and how long you've had yours?

[@juandavidruizserna]

Thanks for sharing your advise and expertise. With ypur experience, i was looking into buying one of those because ease of use for the muticolor prints. Would love one of your videos with a comparison about the different multicolor options, like the chameleon, the palette, the prusa mmu ann the bambu labs ams

[@3DMusketeers]

I dont have any of them, so I am not sure I am the best person to talk about this alas. I would love to, but yeah, we would need some experience with it. My multi color experience is on a Projet 660 pro and a Zcorp 650 lol..

[@Humbledandelion]

I bought a p1s after i saw your video...im not sure what happend there, but I couldn't be more happy with my printer. It does everything for me, no more clogging no more worries, I can monitor it after im out of the house, and on my phone i can stop i can pause i can change temperatures can even put a model on trough makerworld and print it if its loaded. It prints everything perfect and 2 or 3 times faster then most of the printers. If the printer has a problem it will identify it and tell me whats happening, saving me the hell of trying to figure out by myself and replacing parts that are not necessary. I dont have to carry an sd card around the house, I can send it directly trough my computer and boom its printing. Seriously, coming from a Kingroon Im not used to be so spoiled! It's so much fun. My only regret is not buying the Bambu X1C bc I have no lidar and should probably calibrate the spools individually which I only did once so far bc the generic profile on the Bambu Studio prints GREAT. I'm so glad I skipped Prusa, I would probably be doing maintenance to it if I bought a MK4, instead I can focus on printing and make a buck out of it. Im not trying to be an engineer here...I just wanna print. Bambu is light-years ahead it just makes everything else old and obsolete.

[@3DMusketeers]

Weird.. My prusas require little to no maintenance where the 2 Bambus I bought needed constant work. But either way, I am glad your P1S works for you :)

[@JUDGEJingles]

Bambu seems like the Mac of 3d printer. Others do it just as good but Bambu's cult will attack you for saying so.

[@3DMusketeers]

they are certainly trying to be!

[@RazaXML]

the fact that you wrote that carbon fiber joke is way funnier than the carbon fiber joke

[@3DMusketeers]

You think I wrote that out? That's off the cuff lol.

[@DuckyWhy]

You mentioned that the MCU may contain the AES key, looking at the data sheet for the SPC2168 it seems that the AES engine probably accesses the key from the ROM. Now how to access the ROM I'm not so sure about you probably have to hard wire to one of the GPIO pins to access it from an outside system. But its not only the MCU that has an AES engine on it, the Rockchip SOC (the RV1126) also has a cipher engine on it which can support a variety of algorithms (including AES). I would assume the key for the cipher is stored on the ROM or on the OTP memory. But accessing it from an outside system would require you to desolder the chip and transplant it to a developer board to be able to access the pinout of the chip. Seeing how the SN is stored on the SOC the AES key is probably stored on it too. Not sure how the encryption is really done, I would like to hear your findings too! Edit: There also seems to be a Micro USB port on the AP board. This USB port is probably used for programming and configuring the SOC at the factory before it gets put into a frame on the assembly line. Maybe you could somehow take advantage of that port to also read the data thats on the SOC?

[@3DMusketeers]

Oh, you know the MCU as well ;) there is a service port on the machine, looks like it is micro usb. I think the key should be universal or otherwise BL would not be able to read them from specific machines as they would not be able to product the key, unless the serial number helps do it? you should email me.. we should talk.

[@davidpodeszwa7010]

have you checked if it has readout protection ? it might be a little harder than just resoldering to a dev board

[@PinkGirl2242]

I wonder if I could access the log files through a WiFi usb card connected to the micro usb slot in the LCD. I've found that you can copy the log file to micro usb card but mine is connected to the slot by ribbon cable to a micro usb to usb slot with WiFi card. If the access door is in the lcd then I've just found a way in through the micro usb port 😁

[@DuckyWhy]

@@PinkGirl2242 no you can’t access the unencrypted log file data through the MQTT protocol of the printer. Sure some data like the bed level mech can be accessed but not the more advanced features of the printer. Also using your method the data is still encrypted.

[@DuckyWhy]

@@davidpodeszwa7010 it might, and that’s what I’m concerned about. But usually there’s a way to unlock it.

[@chillmike7879]

I think you need to accept this isn’t an open source printer and trust them to use the current firmware and such. It’s unfortunate they aren’t more open source, but you can’t see what’s going over the walled garden so you don’t know what they put in those updates. I don’t think a firmware update will “fix your parts” or whatever you said. But it seems like a complicated problem, and ignoring firmware update just seems silly to me

[@3DMusketeers]

I have absolutely 0 reason to trust them. And given their company history and where they came from, it is a massive problem that I cannot allow until we do crack some of that garden.

[@chillmike7879]

@@3DMusketeersI’m just trying to say not updating your machine isn’t doing anything for you 🤣 good luck with the bambu partnership

[@3DMusketeers]

I am not interested in being sued because of NDA violations. It is not worth it to me.

[@chrisjollie4887]

@@3DMusketeers Couldn't you just use a hotspot to update the firmware without risking any export issues?

[@3DMusketeers]

@@chrisjollie4887 no, that is not how it works alas.. Once a threat has been identified you must isolate until you can determine the level of threat it is, if any. ANY connection to the outside world could pose an export risk if we cannot see what it is sending (which we cannot)

[@justin6050]

Best review on youtube thank you

[@3DMusketeers]

Absolutely

[@TommVenable]

Thank you for the honest review, guy who looks like Loki if he became a critical engineer. I specifically looked for someone who didn’t have affiliate links and got exactly what I was looking for from this video. I still bought an X1C with AMS, but I know what to expect, and am glad I have an army of Prusa’s to keep my business moving forward while I learn my way around the Bambu.

[@3DMusketeers]

Be careful, business owner, because that Bambu talks to the cloud, and yes, even the slicer, so if you work on anything that is to be protected, you need to have that bambu, and the slicing computer, offline indefinitely.

[@TommVenable]

@@3DMusketeers that actually is great to know. I 3D print night vision components and I know that a lot of my customers wouldn’t want me to sell them products whose specs are stored in a compromised cloud.

[@3DMusketeers]

no they would not. This machine is NOT ITAR compliant, so please be careful. If your machine is left offline and the slicing is done offline and you only print from SD, sure, you SHOULD be okay, but know you will not be able to update the machine as they cannot be updated offline....

[@snuups]

I ordered a Pusa XL with 5 Toolheads. I hope it will work fine as my i3 MK3 does

[@3DMusketeers]

I hope so as well! but it may be some time til we all see ours!

[@Todestelzer]

The XL looks cool but sadly not made for ABS, PC or PA. My Voron 2.4R2 is here to stay at least another year.

[@snuups]

@@Todestelzer Yeah I know. But for a very long time I have not printed ABS and such. So I probably will not print that anymore at all. PA11 does not need an Enclosure. I am experimenting with PETG Carbon what seems to work very good. Voron is not an Option for me. I buy only fully assembled printer which work out of the box.

[@3DMusketeers]

I like the kits, they are fun!

[@jstro-hobbytech]

The xl reminds me of software with horrible feature creep during the project along with a poor demographic study to begin with. That said, if it serves you well I am very happy for you as everyone is different. I was once told one man's vinegar is quite literally another man's perfect wine. I tend to offer my opinion to discourse fully hoping to be proven wrong as it adds a built in learning mechanism. I never underestimate someone as they may always know something you don't and the day I have nothing left to learn is probably my last.

[@alexanderc3184]

Finally, an in depth review not looking at this with rose colored glasses because someone WANTS this to be good so badly, and does not want to accept the true cost of research, reliability, and support that companies like prusa have. I ordered a mk4 because consistent quality and true hands free first layers + support are worth more than non practical speed improvements (looking at the sacrifice in quality) anyday for me. I really really considered buying a x1c as a second printer and really wanted it to be good, but your review helped confirm a lot of issues I have seen posted elsewhere, the same issues that drove me to abandon creality. I'm just so tired of reviewers and forums blindly reccomending these crappy PRC brands, ignoring the major company ethics concerns, and the entire support / ecosystem around competitor brands. I wanted an objective rundown of "here's the shit" to see if it was the shit I was willing to deal with. Thank you for providing that.

[@3DMusketeers]

To be clear, a lot of people have had a good experience, I am not one of them unfortunately. Glad you enjoyed it though. We have a no BS policy here, we tell it like it is, that is why I paid for this myself rather than getting a review unit lol. Bambu knows us, they do not like us.

[@kyerussell_au]

So you don’t own one of these yourself? Then you have a preconceived notion not backed up by first-hand experience and are congratulating the minority of reviewers that are agreeing with your preconceived view. People that say that things are wrong are not inherently speaking truth to power against people that have good experiences. Occam’s Razor dictates that perhaps all parties are telling the truth and that the situation is more complex. Looking for a simple answer in the way that you are seems unrealistic and futile.

[@3DMusketeers]

What? This makes no sense... I have these machines clearly..

[@dinotom1]

His reply, was not to you but to the original commenter

[@chethammer]

@@kyerussell_auThat isn't Occam's Razor.

[@StevieWonder.03]

I’ve had my printer for 4 months. And I’ve had no problems. One of the best printers.😎 and bambu service is very reliable and they sent me a replacement part after I broke something. And uselessly when you’re having a failure 9/10 it’s usually your fault or the file being corrupted. I’m not saying it’s perfect cause nothing is. But it’s definitely not a bad printer.

[@3DMusketeers]

No, the ones I had were bad. This is fact. The 3rd one, sent by a fan now works, but these first 2.. absolute garbage. Is that the majority of experiences? No. But that doesn't make my experience any less valuable. Nor does it make yours. The data collection is still an issue for me.. one Bambu is refusing to address

[@brandonnelson5653]

I have owned one for a few months now and with the exception of a failed pull here and there, it has been great. This has been running almost 24/7 for me.

[@3DMusketeers]

glad yours is running. Neither of mine had any success like that

[@ThatVideoGuyTom]

I love my X1C and use the engineering build plate and ABS and never had any of the problems. I use Inland filament (cardboard spools) and my prints never fail.

[@3DMusketeers]

that is not the case here

[@Platoface]

I’ve had nothing but good prints with my Bambu lab Carbon printer. But…. I use their PEI plate almost exclusively.

[@3DMusketeers]

tried stock plates, never the PEI though, it didnt come with it alas, wish it did.

[@liquidpza]

Same.

[@glowpipe]

Is that the Pei plate the p1s comes with? I have ordered a p1s, but its on backorder and will for some time. I could buy the x1s and have it in 2 days, which is very tempting, but the cool plate issues a lot of people have with the x1c is the main thing that is putting me off. But i guess i could just buy the PEI plate as extra and not have these issues?

[@dinotom1]

I knew zero about 3D printing and bought the X1-C with AMS. Have had nothing but success printing hundreds of shop accessories I designed in both PETG-CF and PLA on the PEI plate with minimal failures, and those failures were mostly due to poor first layer adhesion because I hadn’t cleaned the plate after multiple prints.

[@chappi-dz2ow]

Gonna be honest, based on my own personal experience and that of thousands of others across groups and message boards. I think this guy is just saying "bambu bad" as a way to drive views to his content. I was an original backer for bambu and have been printing since receiving my unit. Aside from a little lubricant on my z screws have had nothing but excellent results. The sentiment among the community at large is largely the same. However, if one were to come out with a series of videos with a bit of a hot take ie: bambu bad. They might drive alot of views to their channel.

[@3DMusketeers]

Yeah see, I'd agree if I didn't have hundreds of hours of streams trying to fix these machines too with no success. I purchased machines and the 2 I got were both lemons. So. You are incorrect and frankly the fact that you think I would do something like that is just appalling.

[@1RungAtATime]

They do have the most views...

[@3DMusketeers]

@@1RungAtATime I mean, that is not MY fault... If people like it, people like it.

[@rustyv6274]

Mines the same way. The extruder kept clogging on every print multi color is not happening and support had me take apart the whole machine when I said it’s the extruder ams sent vids. Then they said your original complaint was the run out sensor. I went back and read 2 weeks of back and forth and I never said anything about that so I went off on them now I’m waiting on a new extruder

[@3DMusketeers]

Seems like the same BS they did to me..

[@a.nonamoose]

Thank you for being one of the only people honest about Bambu. I have four Bambus and after a few months they started breaking down constantly. Support sucks. The only thing worse than their tech support is their sales support. Regardless what they say they dont accept returns. If you return something you'll never hear from them again. Disputing it on your credit card will be the only option.

[@3DMusketeers]

That is why that option is there, use it when you have it

[@logicalfundy]

Finally ordered a Prusa. I don't need the speed of a Bambu that badly. I want something that is reliable and can be easily fixed when need be.

[@3DMusketeers]

I hear the MK4 is darn near similar speeds at 1/4 or less on the volume

[@logicalfundy]

@@3DMusketeers Impressive for a bed slinger. Yeah, I did get a MK4 - but it'll be a few weeks to get it apparently, it has 3-4 week lead time. I don't really have the space for something larger anyways, so sounds like I got a good deal.

[@3DMusketeers]

space is the hardest thing in this industry!

[@GabrielRamirez0]

Great video! 👍 However, I need to share my experience. I was shipped a broken Bambu Labs printer, and it feels wrong that I'm the one having to fix it after paying for a brand-new, working machine. Support took 3 days to get back to me, and after a week of troubleshooting, we discovered it was an AC Power board issue. Instead of sending a replacement, they're only repairing the faulty one, and they completely ignored my request for a new printer. It might look like a great product, but their customer service is a letdown. I'm seriously considering a PRUSA for my next purchase.

[@3DMusketeers]

My experience is similar to yours unfortunately :/

[@joeking433]

Prusa is rock solid. However, their Mk4 is priced too high IMO. I think it should come down a lot in price eventually. I think the Mk4 should be more in the $500-600 range.

[@YouTubeStat]

I've had nothing but problems with my x1c as well. Actually waiting on a replacement right now. The support has been so bad it's crazy. If they don't fix the training and quality control they will fail. I regret my purchase very much and unfortunately I purchased a ton of replacement parts as well and now I'm stuck with it. They need to send me one that works.

[@3DMusketeers]

I am sure your credit card company would disagree that you would be stuck with those parts....

[@YouTubeStat]

@@3DMusketeers I've thought long and hard about that actually... I'm giving them one more shot but if printer 2 is also sour, we gonna have problems... 😂

[@YouTubeStat]

By the way, I love your channel! By far my favorite 3d printing channel so thank you for that!

[@3DMusketeers]

keep an eye on it and see what happens! Thank you for your support!

[@extectic]

Success rate higher than 50%... wow. My slow, old Prusa MK3S+ is more like a 99.5% success rate. I think I had two or three fails in the early days when I was still trying to figure out what I was doing. Ever since, it just churns out PETG prints without issues. Even tiny little contact areas for small items, I don't even bother putting a brim anymore, standard Prusa textured plate.

[@3DMusketeers]

Yup my prusas are running amazing. The Bambu is still giving me issues

[@twretro]

My Prusa works very well... I have 3 friends with a Bamboo... 2 of them are very happy with it... 1 has a lot of problems...

[@joeking433]

Yeah, I would say the same for my Prusa Mini. Awesome prints with a few failures in the early days before I figured things out. But I just bought the A1 because I can't pull the trigger on a Mk4.

[@user-pm9mz6dw3i]

You've literally said the exact words that we've stated over the official forums! It's sad honestly to see users be fully brainwashed essentially into the "bambu system".. After owning our X1C after 14 months I can agree with everything you've stated. AMS Feeder issues, having to replace the whole unit priced @ $35/ea forced to buy [2] otherwise suffer the shipping if not over $49.. We have another X1C now that's 3 weeks old as of today, I see ALL the changes they've made behind the scenes and our eyes to improve without mentioning anything. It's all shady and not transparent at all and more than likely our last bambu printer.. Now watching this video were currently printing a whole print volume model simultaneously on both X1's and of course the older one failed due to a corner massively lifting... I could see the bed Z axis dropping to compensate the height via the camera... Now we'll find out why and if something is failing on bed leveling. Nice video and well said about everything Bambu Labs is about

[@GrulbGL]

That was really interesting, i was completely charmed, but the data security made me take a couple steps back... thanks! Gonna research a bit about it

[@3DMusketeers]

we covered it a few times.. I am not satisfied with their data practices

[@KZ-yy9pm]

Please start a fund to crack that code, I think a lot of people would be willing to add to the pool. Other creators and people from the 3d community might get intrested and spread awareness. If we get to a decent number people who aren’t even in the 3d space will be willing to attempt to crack the code. I don’t hate bambu, I hate the CCP and am weary of all Chinese companies that have access to data.

[@3DMusketeers]

We already have a bounty for it, but being I dont have income I am only able to put up $500.

[@KZ-yy9pm]

@@3DMusketeers can you set up a PayPal or something and maybe put it in vid descriptions? Like i said before if you are willing to crowdfund for the bounty I’m down and think others would too.

[@3DMusketeers]

I am worried people will question the validity of a paypal account, like what would stop me from just taking the cash and closing it, you know? Found some escrow services, but they are not for small funds like this. Do you think we could get people to trust paypal?

[@KZ-yy9pm]

@@3DMusketeers I think that fact you were running the campaign would satisfy many people compared to just some random guy who appears with a campaign. You are correct when it comes to money there will always be someone claiming scam. Obviously there is goods and services but then there is the fee and if you collect to much you will have to pay taxes on it. Could go fund me be used? Or a patreon account that is just for the campaign? I’m not familiar with those platforms and unsure of the creator/user transparency. I’ll do some google fu for curiosities sake.

[@3DMusketeers]

I will have to look into it..

[@joescalon541]

So are you not updating the firmware as a matter of principle because internet required or because it has already printed highly secretive prints? Just wondering because you can Hotspot for the duration of a firmware update, no?

[@3DMusketeers]

I cant. We cannot connect it to a network of any type until we can prove it is safe to do that. Once an item has been deemed a threat under ITAR and CMMC it must be isolated until you can determine if it is safe or not as it is not known what information the machine has or can send. This is part of protocol for things like this alas and is required for us to do to keep our certifications. It has not printed highly sensitive parts for govt. We go through a much more in depth process before that happens. This is why we are working on figuring out the logs. If we can, then we can prove it is either a threat or has no issues. Do note, every firmware update we would have to re-check so if Bambu changes encryption the machine would have to go back offline and we start over again lol. I doubt that would happen, but it is not impossible. I want to believe they are acting in good faith, but their former employer, and the same investors, all point to that we should be more concerned about this than most people are. Hope that helps! Let me know if I need to clarify more. We have to play the brevity game on YT for all this stuff

[@LilApe]

My '19 anycubic mega S was less than $200 and is still running to this day...meanwhile my P1P was dead after just 10hrs after delivery. Took two weeks to hear back from customer support for a dead stepper motor and all they did was try to void my warranty when I asked them to take the printer back and give me a refund...because I threw away the original packaging. They wouldn't give me a refund, but agreed to sending a replacement P1P, but only after I pay another $700 for a refundable deposit. I replied with "hell no, you're competing with prusa. Prusa doesn't play these silly games and neither should you"...dropped it off the next day at the austin TX center's doorstep and did a CC chargeback.

[@3DMusketeers]

well I guess that works too..

[@JT-Works]

Yeah, the Bambu customer service is horrible. They take multiple days to respond and randomly close out the issue without a response. In the 8 months I have had the printer I have had the issues below: 1. Print bed level cable failed and I had to take the back of the printer apart to replace (with a cable I had to buy myself because customer service was unresponsive). 2. Extruder clogged and I had to take about the extruder to remove the filament. I can no only print PLA with door open and top removed (as suggested by Bambu customer service). 3. The AMS internal boden tubes wore down and had to take the AMS apart to replace 4. The AMS filament sensors quit working and I had to replace AMS filament input section I do run the printer almost 24/7, but the lack of any real customer support would make me shy away from recommending to new 3D printer users.

[@3DMusketeers]

I feel that.

[@Craig-yr2yz]

nice to see someone being honest. I baught a X1C and just recently returned it due to all these same issues. worst part was the support they would give me a "solution" then when i would try it and it did nothing they would then say i didnt follow their advise.

[@3DMusketeers]

To be clear, I dont think other reviewers are dishonest, I think my experience is different than theirs. What you are describing is exactly why I gave up on bambu support.

[@ChevTecGroup]

Do you have to hook the machine up to a network? Or can it be run standalone on physical memory cards?

[@3DMusketeers]

you can run it standalone but then you cannot update it

[@MegaTac22]

​@3DMusketeers considering the data concerns, it sounds like this would be the better option that way it doesn't update.

[@3DMusketeers]

@loboptlu you don't understand what air gapping and ITAR are and that's okay. It's illegal to do what you're asking for the work we do. Further, we have clear evidence that our machine has been attempting AWS cloud connections without our consent even while offline. All this is detailed in the log file video.

[@3DMusketeers]

@loboptlu we do work for the US govt. Any government work has regulations like that for the kind of things we do. ITAR, or a version of it, is shared by many countries not just the United States. But thanks for the birth advice, I'll be sure to remember it -_-

[@ChevTecGroup]

@@3DMusketeers what if you format the SD card (or remove it), then hook up to a network for updates, then disconnect for printing again. Just a thought.

[@diepurpledino]

You are very unlucky. X1C and P1P print perfectly most of the time. CPU board failed on X1C a few months ago (I was a Kickstarter) and support was very helpful and got me a free replacement quickly. Early AMS unit cracking at the bearings was a problem, but one I found a fix for-- the fix USED TO BE on the Bambu wiki but they pulled it. Currently having occasional retraction problems in which the AMS can't pull the filament back but it is NOT stuck at the printhead - if I disconnect at the printhead fitting, the filament pulls back easily from the head. I've had this on both X1C and P1P with separate AMS units. Must be in the AMS or hub unit, but the hub surely can't be it. Been meaning to look into the AMS itself, seems it may have 2 motors, one at feeder and one about 12 inches away- because that's about how much filament is left when the manually pulling goes from very hard to fairly light (which I can tell the last 12 inches or so is just the feeder motor). Regarding network security, 3D Printing Professor has a video telling how to turn on LAN mode and avoid the cloud and NOT rely on Sneakernet.

[@3DMusketeers]

My screen is killing SD cards and they refuse to replace it without a log file. So that sucks.. Yes there is a second feeder on the bottom of the AMS. LAN mode still requires it to be on a network, we are unaware of any security issues at that point so I am unable to go that route.

[@NWalker-zx6xu]

Before this video i critized your veiw on Bambu althought, you did good at putting togather an argument. I also see what you did with there supprot and better can understand the value of you using it rather then just doing what you knew and fixing it. Many good points made... good job.

[@3DMusketeers]

I appreciate it. I get that it is easy to dislike the videos and my POV, because I am seldom positive, but dangit I am trying LOL. It has been a rough road but I am hopeful for the future.. Now we just have to crack the logs and get to the full issues on my machine. Heck I even get how some people think I am faking it. Maybe this will help.. this video was done 3 times to try and make sure I didnt antagonize too much, brought valid points to the table, and stayed as concise as possible. All 3 raw recordings total over 3 hours on this one subject lol. We will likely release them in their entirety to patreon, etc.

[@colororb4105]

Have you tried using a ruler to check if your build plate is flat? Apparently there were some bad batches around January to April where buildplates dropped in the middle

[@3DMusketeers]

TACO PLATE. Bambu says it is fine. I disagree

[@privateinformation5329]

Bambu better start paying attention to you, because you're the reason I'm waiting for Prusa to make a competing product instead of jumping on an X1.

[@3DMusketeers]

They know who I am, unfortunately. I prefer to not be known because that can sometimes give different support from a normal customer, which would also be an issue. Imagine if I got amazing support immediately but everyone else got crap support. It would not be good.

[@hn7405]

First, I'm not a Chinese, so zero bias here; I found out this review turns out to be strongly subjective on multiple perspectives. We run an aero-space mobility design agency, using Bambu quite a lot to test out design iterations. I personally feel lots of critics mentioned in the video has been blown up dramatically with unnecessary words. By the way, you can run a Bambu offline if you wish. Yes, you're right, their customer service and several technical issues are not good, but putting a group of hardworking engineers and designers into a shit hole in a 22 minutes video is not gentlemen at all. Cheers :)

[@3DMusketeers]

Oh I was not intending to be nice.. I am not here to be nice, not after well over 6 months of BS with a $1600 paperweight And you should know.. its WAY worse than I said in this video. We finally have access to the log files and HOLY CRAP, I hope you are not bound by ITAR because if so, it is going to cost you. You better have the slicer on an air gapped computer too, because yeah, its logging too. One more thing, yes, you can run them offline, but you cant update them. The crew that cracked the logs is working on the ability to load firmware via SD card. Something Bambu could do but actively chooses not to do so they can get the data from the machines. And yes, we have full proof of this all. Once responsible disclosure is complete we will be releasing a video.

[@hn7405]

@@3DMusketeers For sure :)

[@seanburke997]

what I'm really looking forward to is someone jailbreaking these things.

[@alex59292]

Jail breaking a printer? There board blocks flashes that don't contain allowed file hashes

[@Shynd]

​@@alex59292Right, which is why one would want to jailbreak it.

[@3DMusketeers]

well, not so much jail breaking, more of understanding what is in the logs.

[@3DMusketeers]

have not tried to flash it yet, but we do see a service port that may be of value.. still learning more about the MCU personally

[@billstech1715]

My Prusa MK4 just works! The parts it makes are strong and functional and the fit and finish is extremely impressive. Uploading everything I do to Bambu Labs really isn't my first choice.

[@3DMusketeers]

I need to get an mk4...

[@arbjful]

@@3DMusketeersget the Prusa nozzle adapter if you do buy the mk4

[@jheli22]

​@@arbjfulwhat's the purpose of that

[@joeking433]

I would purchase the Mk4 before I would buy the X1C for sure! But I just bought the A1 because I didn't want to shell out $1000+ for a Mk4. We'll see how that goes.

[@chethammer]

@@3DMusketeers I got my MK4 early, like last July. I built it in my classroom while my students were doing classwork. Part of the reason for that was to make myself not rush the build and take my time. My MK4 has only given me problems that I've caused myself. A roll of old PLA caused me some clogs that took a bit to clear, but I thought it was something else. Now that they've got input shaping down, it prints very fast and very accurately. I've got the MMU3 for it on order and it should be here sometime in 2024......

[@treetolber3482]

I am so glad I preordered the Prusa XL. Supposedly the 5 tool XLs will start shipping this week (today as a mater of fact). Anyway, I went back and forth between the X1 Carbon and the XL and what sold me the most, Prusa's customer support. With my MK3 they have ALWAYS been Johny on the spot via chat session. They haven't always been able to fix my problems but for the most part my problems have been minor and I was able to fix them with input from Prusa's customer support and some other research on my own. Although I feel for you and your troubles with the X1, I feel good that I stuck with Prusa to enter the large format, multi material realm.

[@3DMusketeers]

oh really? I had no idea they would ship this early!

[@lilypower]

​@@3DMusketeersprobably because bambu took 75% of the preorders! 😅😂 Dont know the numbers but probably alot, enough to get prisa in to panic mode and lift their lazy ass... Not saying they dont make good printers but they've become really complacent 🫤 i think bambu was a necessary wakeupcall for the industry at large, however i think you make some really good points!

[@3DMusketeers]

Ad I am totally fine with that wake up call. I often compare Bambu to AMD when Ryzen first hit and Prusa is Intel. They enjoyed a few years of being top dog and not working too hard for it and being able to focus on other things. Now that is not the case anymore. Glad to see some shake ups

[@robertfisher8260]

I did this but the Prusa XL moving the dates over and over for over a year made me just get a x1c and wont be going back

[@smizmar8]

I can't understand how this review can be soooo different from every other review, and your own comments.... did you by any chances test your printer before your non-standard upgrades?

[@3DMusketeers]

Yep, that's why we went down the path of different upgrades to try and isolate issues. They helped a ton

[@smizmar8]

@@3DMusketeers Nah fair, you seem very thorough, it's just hard as a consumer to tell what reviews are going to be accurate to what one might experience if they bought one, maybe the message is that there is variability in all 3d printing products, and you have to be prepared to make it work for you. Still, thanks for your reply.

[@3DMusketeers]

Oh for sure, everyone has a different experience. Mine have been bad, both times, but yours may not be. It's all different. What I know though, is that the support with Bambu, while getting better, is still sub par.

[@smizmar8]

@@3DMusketeers Yeah fair point. It's good to hear all sides then.

[@extectic]

You know the weird Max Headroom glitches and constant splicing of video get distracting after a while. Maybe have a script, learn it and present the speech in one sweep without needing to splice it all together?

[@3DMusketeers]

Pay for my time and a teleprompter and you've got a deal! Otherwise, no, I have other things to do. Don't want the cuts? The raw video with over 1.5 hours of content is available on our Patreon

[@DustinGorman]

Grant, I know you and a lot of others have had a less than stellar experience with the Bambu, but hear me out. I have close to 3k hours on one, almost 2k on another one, and recently sold one with 1500 hours on it to free up shelf space for a Voron. I have used the AMS with them since the day they came in (all of them). I initially had some issues with slot 3 but after a while, they kind of just went away on their own. I think the PTFE from the AMS just needs time to wear in and shape. I've printed hundreds of kg of filament, including several carbon fiber blends, wood filled, glitter, and glow in the dark. I have observed no issues caused by abrasives. The AMS feeders are not designed to wear out, but they are objectively referred to as a consumable part, kind of like nozzles. No nozzle is designed to wear intentionally, but it should be expected that eventually youll have to replace it. FWIW, ive never replaced a Bambu nozzle, and I have 6 of them sitting in a drawer, because I didnt expect them to wear out. Build plates are consumables, nozzles, AMS feeders, extruder packs, etc. Not designed to wear out on purpose, but will eventually need replacing. Id also like to mention that it has not all been peachy. I had filament that kept breaking inside the extruder, and it was a real PITA to have to disassamble the hotend, take apart extruder, find the .5mm of broken filament, and replace. This was attributed to bad filament (hatchbox). Once I threw it out, it never came back. Also had some bed adhesion issues until I scrubbed the ever living hell out of the plates. Now, not an issue. The machines just seemed to wear in over time. Now, Im a happy camper with ver few failures that arent caused by printing PETG too fast, or me trying something crazy in the slicer. ALSO: I am still a Prusa fanboy and love my Prusa mini more than any printer I have or have ever owned.

[@3DMusketeers]

glad your machines are working well, at least most of the time. I am still trying to nail down all the issues.

[@DustinGorman]

@3DMusketeers it was a long ride to get them to be smooth and reliable, but in the end, I've found that using OEM parts, and wearing them in, tends to lead to the most reliable printers (for me).

[@3DMusketeers]

seems that is the truth here for sure

[@ObitusJoe]

Great review. You have confirmed a large amount of my concerns. I think it is great that Bambu came about and. have shaken up the. 3D printer markup but I will stick with reliable, open machines I can repair, replace, and upgrade myself with parts off of Amazon. I am ok with a closed ecosystem, but not so much when the company has literally built most of what they are doing from other companies' hard work in the open space. I have an MK4 on its way as an upgrade for one of my MK3 and I was thinking of the X1 Carbon to replace the other (I am just a hobbyist who likes to play) but I have been seriously divided because of the issues mentioned in the video even before seeing this video. I am interested in seeing where the company goes, but for now I will stick with Prusa.

[@3DMusketeers]

Open source still has value, regardless of what others may say. Bambu has a decent product here but because of horrific issues I have had plus issues with customer support, it is impossible for me to recommend them.

[@joeking433]

Yeah, I just ordered an A1 because I didn't want to spend the $1000 on a Prusa (I have a Prusa Mini that has been a great printer!). We'll see how this goes, I might have to spend the grand after all.

[@ModdedGarage]

Lol we got one at work. It works better than any printer I have ever used. You hate it, ship it to my house.

[@3DMusketeers]

oof, using Bambu at work, that is a risky one.. I shipped this one back, along with the second one that was also a lemon. Bambu's QA and QC is hit or miss. And as I told everyone else who thought they were funny saying to ship it to them, pay for it, and you can have it!

[@ModdedGarage]

@@3DMusketeers maybe it was all user error...

[@3DMusketeers]

Nope. The 3rd one has been much more reliable. The first 2 had legit major issues.

[@ModdedGarage]

@@3DMusketeers weird

[@Jason-te7gq]

Also - if you know so much about hardware, why haven’t you identified any source of any issue, and why aren’t you making your own printer?

[@3DMusketeers]

Closed source.. And I have identified quite a few issues, we have documented them throughout videos on this channel I am not making my own machines because I dont have the resources to support the people who would buy them. If I am going to make and sell printers we would need a serious support staff. I get what it takes to have good customer service, some companies do not.

[@JaketheJOATGOAT]

You pretty well hit my concerns about bambu on the head as well. A lot of this is why i chose prusa over bambu. Your point about how they can't be making much if any money on the printers does raise the question of how much data they are selling. I feel like there would be huge community backlash if it came out that the real product produced by bambu is the people they are selling to.

[@3DMusketeers]

yeahhhh it is why I am so curious to learn more about its info!

[@EK1H]

I'm waiting for my 5 tool head Prusa xl. I'm sure even once it arrives it will need to wait for more tweaks from prusa before it's working perfectly but they will happen and I'll be able to repair it myself long term and no one gets my gcode for patented product I print.

[@3DMusketeers]

I can see reason for it all, more printers more better

[@Rcmike1234]

​@@EK1Hwas just at a customer site and two of the engineers were chatting with me. One had an XL on order and the other was about to order a Bambu. Excited for whenever I go back to see who is happier 😅

[@EK1H]

@@Rcmike1234 another interesting video would be how much it costs to run a 5 tool head Prusa xl 24/7 versus this bamboo, for say 6 years straight. Factoring in repairs and parts ect.

[@hydroturd]

I had concerns about these and I think they're really not worth someone like you offering them help. Help those that want to help others with initiative. They're not offering ingenuity, quality control, or customer service - these are huge early red flags.

[@3DMusketeers]

Part of offering help is that if they keep shooting me down I am able to say I offered an olive branch, it was rejected.

[@hydroturd]

@@3DMusketeers u are a skilled dude

[@3DMusketeers]

I try to do what I can! Thank you

[@joeking433]

Yeah, BL relies on hype for sales.

[@DavidTurner-Tripmonkey]

My first printer was a FLSUN-QQSPro . It was junk that barley worked. My second was a Creality Ender5Pro. Worked a lot better and gave me high confidence of getting what I wanted out of it. The X1C is my third printer and I have so much confidence in it, that there's more chance of it being my fault if something goes wrong. One of the best things I've ever bought.

[@3DMusketeers]

I am glad you have had that experience. I wish I could say the same about mine.

[@dexiangli819]

Finally, some one mentions about the stupid bambu customer services

[@3DMusketeers]

It has not been pleasant.

[@PYROWORKSTV]

Love this machine

[@3DMusketeers]

Thanks for sharing, however my experience is exactly the opposite.

[@mariospanna8389]

@@3DMusketeers Done hundreds of prints on my two X1C , can not recomend these machines enough.

[@Pr00fGames]

And does your great experiences invalidate his bad ones? I’m looking into buying this printer and honestly this review threw me off a bit and will look into alternatives before jumping head first on this printer.

[@mariospanna8389]

@@Pr00fGames Well it does, i know about a dozen people in real life and companies that run a lot of these that all say the same thing, easiest 3d printer to use and the best results. Unless you like spending most your free time building and problem solving rather than making prints i say good luck to you.

[@Pr00fGames]

@@mariospanna8389 it does not invalidate bad customer service.

[@reprinted3D]

An honest and fair review; exactly what I've come to expect from you. As you know, my experience with the X1C has been a polar opposite to yours, and I really wish you were having the same experience I am. I got one of yhe first Kickstarter units, so I've had mine for a year. I wonder if the QC on the printers slipped hard between my unit and yours, and that might explain some of your issues? In any case, i admire your resolve to help Bambu improve despite all the trouble you've had.

[@3DMusketeers]

Thank you sir!

[@joeking433]

Yeah, I was thinking that. Maybe it was a "bad batch"?

[@ErnstBuchmann]

I had never a better printer then the Bambu printer. So far I had not a single failed print. I am very happy with it. I find the comments particularly interesting where users find their concerns confirmed even though they don't even have the printer.

[@3DMusketeers]

I mean, I am glad you are happy with yours, but mine were nightmares..

[@TheFatAssCat]

Yeah my p1p needs to be recalibrated every time it gets bumped. I've not been super impressed after a first glowing week. My mk4 is slower, but it just KEEPS WORKING. And I KNOW i can fix it if it ever has issues, just like my 4 year old mk3s.

[@3DMusketeers]

Weird. Any idea why it's needs that?

[@TheFatAssCat]

@@3DMusketeers Honestly I have no idea. I haven't dove into the issue (my assumption is that's something with the input shaping but this is the first printer I've bought with it so, very little experience admittedly) but it doesn't seem to be terribly common. It may be due to something else but the pattern seems to be that every time I change the filament (no AMS) I have to tip the printer forwards and after doing so the first print is always bad unless I run the calibration again.

[@3DMusketeers]

I am normally running the bed leveling and such every print, it does not add a ton of time and helps guarantee a good surface.

[@akierum]

Sound like frame of printer not stable, then that explains why some gets lemons after shipping handles the printer

[@parawizard]

Sounds like something is loose. If everything was tight it would work the same. I would check the entire frame is fastened tight and that there is not twist or movement.

[@thedeepgroup1993]

look inside x1c from a guy say it not work well .. Okay

[@3DMusketeers]

It's like you didn't even bother to watch and find out why it looked like that. It's like I collected all the crap and put it IN the printer for the video to show the mess they can make.............

[@Parasite98]

Glad some one finally speaks about this. My ams system give me nothing but trouble. It always unloads well except for the last but where it needs a nudge to fully unload. I tried all sort of things and bambu support just tells me to do which I just told them. It also takes a day for them to even get back to you, even if it's not a usefull reply at all

[@3DMusketeers]

so its slot 4 that is giving you issues? Another commenter thinks this is related to the bowden tubes crushing the filament in the connectors, maybe you can try chamfering the ends of the tubes on the interior. I may give it a shot myself!

[@grantdeisig1360]

I would bet more people are having trouble than what is let on. It's just that people are quick to say how impressive and great a printer is before they actually have time to use it. Then once they realize it's plagued with problems, they can't bring themselves to admit it and can't go against their initial impressions and admit that they may have been wrong. I see it all the time with all sorts of consumer goods. Then you get the one guy that's honest and willing to share the problems they've encountered (like Grant here) and then all of the sudden the stones start flying from the fanboys.

[@Parasite98]

@@3DMusketeers It used to be slot 1 and 2 but the issue seems to move around and sometimes another slot gives the issue. I will give that a try for sure! Haven't tried that yet

[@3DMusketeers]

To be fair, some have not had a single issue yet. So there is that.

[@MolOlsson]

Have you tried printing a standoff for the glass top? There are standoffs on printables, with closeable sliders that added an inch of clearance for the already crushed bowden tube to move more freely. That solved most of my retraction issues, and I have had my conversations with support redarding that. But yes, they have resistance sensors that are a bit.. conservative.. sensing the added drag from their bowden tube setup. Anything to make the filament run more smoothly helps (or find some secret setting increasing the accpetable limit/add more amperage to the filament feeders)

[@jacobsecor5015]

I really like the X1C but I too have had bad support experience. They blamed me for an issue and basically told me I couldn't read. I'm happy with my purchase, but am worried about it long-term

[@3DMusketeers]

thats inappropriate for a customer support request.. expected though from the facebook groups, but not official company reps.

[@watermanna]

I've got a lemon as well. I've had it for several months. Bambu support seems to think that my time is worthless. Reliability is horrible. I seriously think that the support people are throwing darts at a board. For the price of this machine, they could easily replace it. The OP here is definitely more generous than I would be regarding what he would do for bambu. I'm going to go through on more round of replacing parts, then I think I'm going to recreate the office space printer scene. I bought this machine to start a business to get a product to market cheaper than getting tools made for plastic injection. It was a risk. But this machine IMHO doesn't live up to the hype. I would love to see the log files. I seriously don't think their log files contain enough information to figure out what the problem is. Seriously, if this printer can't figure out that it's not extruding filament and air printing for hours what in the hell is it monitoring? I would be happy for them to provide a refund, but he'll, I can't even get them to replace the machine, which I would settle for. I'll keep you posted if I end up recreating the office space scene.

[@3DMusketeers]

Do a chargeback. Let your cc company handle it at this point. If Bambu isn't helping it's time to pull out the big guns.

[@watermanna]

@@3DMusketeers unfortunately, I didn't use a CC. Direct pay from business account.

[@3DMusketeers]

start demanding they do something to fix it I guess?

[@watermanna]

@@3DMusketeers ha! Yeah. I've been doing that on multiple fronts. They keep giving me B.S. that it's not cost effective for them to replace it yet. Which may be true, but it's gotta be getting close to that line. But then again, as long as they can get me to keep putting in the labor time to replace components to support their dartboard analysis, why should they bother? It's definitely wasting more of my time than theirs.

[@3DMusketeers]

ugh, I am sorry! Keep fighting the good fight!

[@echo-hotel]

I have five and find them easy to fix. Sure I have 10,000sq ft of shop equipment to make what I need. But besides that Bambu has sent me nearly everything I’ve asked for.

[@3DMusketeers]

Sure hope your machines aren't networked if you have actual shop equipment.... They aren't very safe.

[@irbose9895]

Rip to your intellectual property

[@LucidFX.]

@@3DMusketeers can data moving out not be managed on the router? so still print via network internally but not allow traffic out?

[@3DMusketeers]

@@LucidFX. it can, however without know how and what is being sent, protocol is to fully isolate as it is a potential threat.

[@LucidFX.]

@@3DMusketeers good point - we could "potentially" block all known ports but considering how many there are actually... to your point, simply having it on the network is a risk/threat

[@johneutube1975]

Excellent review. Thanks for the honesty. Bambu seems to quash any non glowing comments

[@3DMusketeers]

Thanks. I am not sure it is the company, but more so the hate from its fans.. holy crap they are mean..

[@KerrMultiModes]

Only had problems with PLA when I switched to the PEI Textured 'hot' plates - extruder clogs, heat-break clogs, one or two nozzle clogs. It was the extra heat - I have a vented lid, but got used to printing PLA with the doors closed on my X1Cs with the Cool Plates. With the PEI bed temps there was enough heat build up in the enclosure on two really warm days to allow the PLA to deform in the extruder / heat-break. After unclogging things, problem solved by opening the door, using the Cool Plates, reducing the heatbed temp a little for PLA - the other Fils were fine. I didn't pay attention to the filament capabilities and it bit me - lesson learned. I don't FanBoi and I don't bash anything, I find out why a print/printer fails and fix it, tweak it - brand doesn't matter. Like the man said - "learn to fix it yourself"; in doing so you will understand your machine and learn to use it better.

[@3DMusketeers]

I wish it was as easy as simply having the door open for me (which I do normally do for pla) but alas it's mechanical.

[@3DMusketeers]

I have SLOWED my printer down, but you have to understand for the purposes of filming, showing all that would disrupt the already problematic flow of most of our videos. I promise you, I have more than enough experience in this industry and have won 5 consecutive awards for being the best globally in full color 3d printing (before just stopping applying because I did not seem fair..) and while, no, that is not FDM/FFF I am no idiot either. I let the Bambu run stock settings for a long time before giving up. Their stock profiles are absolute garbage unlike basically every other manufacturer, they push speeds way too fast causing issues with the printers. I have tried presliced gcode from members of the community, one even bringing me his filament too so we can try it with the same material that worked for him. Failure. It is not me, it is the printer.

[@dbrokensynth5920]

Bambu be like, did you level your bed? Lol

[@3DMusketeers]

lolol

[@Will-db5el]

For the algorithm.

[@3DMusketeers]

lol thanks!

[@Yeltrah]

The algorithm!

[@3DMusketeers]

Praise Be!

[@altgoz]

Worked, I got this video recommended from the algorithm 😂

[@3DMusketeers]

nice! LOL

[@KIPSSYTEM]

Love how all these people talk down on the prusa but in the end there probably one of the best printers and customer service and support is A+

[@3DMusketeers]

yeah you cant beat their CS team..

[@holdengreene9717]

This is so obnoxious. You were having software issues and you refused to update to the latest firmware for some general fear of a theoretical data security issue based on the fact that the engineers are from DJI. Throwing out that tenuous link, DJI is used by consumers every day same as this. I bet customer support didn’t really have any options because you wouldn’t update your unit.

[@3DMusketeers]

Ah yes, another uninformed commenter who knows NOTHING about ITAR and how it works. Come on back when you get that kind of knowledge, because I aint risking federal prison for a damn 3d printer. Not my fault they give you NO OTHER options to update than on a network, at least until we found the MAJOR security flaw.. And oh yeah.. DJI is banned from doing business with the govt because they were selling consumer and government data to China and Russia. I have every reason to be skeptical and so should you, but some yet dont know the value of their data.

[@frumpd63]

My X1C has been down for 6 weeks due to what i assume is a bad heatbed. Customer service has been terrible to deal with and the machine is quite hateful to disassemble and troubleshoot.

[@3DMusketeers]

sorry to hear that..

[@Shynd]

I was going to comment about a recently popular news story regarding carbon fiber but the structural use of carbon fiber in compression is out of my depth.

[@3DMusketeers]

oooofffffff

[@Yeltrah]

I still find it crazy that they feel a need to encrypt the log files if there isn't anything hidden inside.

[@3DMusketeers]

same, and who knows, there may not be! We will see!

[@A1N0]

I know, there is just SO MUCH information that a 3D printer knows about that that it could forward to the Chinese government, like, what the inside of your printer looks like, or what material you print or what filament color you use. If that information ever got out, the world would come to an end. I have a Next Generation Firewall (NGFW) in my house so can monitor EVERY packet of information the printer sends, and receives, and have seen NOTHING EVER suspicious. But if you have a Samsung Smart TV, I can write a book on how its spying on your every move.

[@3DMusketeers]

If you havent seen anything suspicious, then what have you seen in the log files? Because we are still working on cracking them..

[@dosdont]

@@A1N0 So you have a "next generation firewall" but can't figure out what the firmware and bambu studio combined could potentially be stealing when your computer is connected to the printer and the printer is in your network? Do you know what each chip on the printer is doing? Why don't you explain what they're hiding in the logs and why it's being hidden since you're so clever? No? I didn't think so. The fact of the matter is you don't know and the only people who do know are Bambu Lab and the only question why are they hiding what should only be logs of what the printer is doing, we already know from their TOS that they have rights to all their customer's models but what else? It's China, they steal intellectual property and its completely normal to do so for them. I know this much, if I were printing as business I would never consider using a closed source company like Bambu Lab. The fact that they prevent offline updating of firmware is the shadiest thing I've ever heard of and although it's not proof, it's a clear indicator of a untrustworthy company.

[@dosdont]

@@3DMusketeers If you do manage to crack the logs, I hope it crushes Bambu Lab if they are in fact up to no good.

[@demonhogo]

still the best 3d printer on the market. EASILY

[@3DMusketeers]

Agree to disagree. The downsides aren't worth it to me.

[@marcellobrown]

@@3DMusketeerscould it be that you unfortunately got a lemon? I believe what you are saying, it’s just that so many others rave about it. I have bought cars that were the same way unfortunately lol.

[@3DMusketeers]

@@marcellobrown 2 in a row? Seems INCREDIBLY unlikely unless there is a massive QC issue in these machines. The third one has been fine, but I wont be able to shake the bad taste in my mouth from these experiences and their serious data collection issues.

[@aztrose1023]

Lmao, "I'm not mad, just disappointed"

[@3DMusketeers]

Bless their hearts.

[@Mr.X3D]

”with speed comes noise” Not necessarily. Try a FLSun V400.

[@3DMusketeers]

or even a MK4. But the friction noises do get louder, that is a thing.

[@luke8874]

Quit crying and sell it. I have a feeling even if you continue to beg bambu to hire you, they wont. But i do respect your views on privacy.

[@3DMusketeers]

When have I begged Bambu to hire me? Please, go back and watch that video. And I am not crying, I am reporting my experience.

[@luke8874]

@@3DMusketeers that is how I and a lot of other people perceive it. That is just my objective view. But I do respect that you respond to the comments and you handle criticism well.

[@3DMusketeers]

I want to help them keep this BS from happening, I want the proverbial AMD in a field of Intel's to survive here and push the community to innovate faster or simply cease to exist. Bambu is good for this community, I just wish they cared about the community that they are benefiting from and stop stealing from it, only issuing apologies when they get caught.

[@haggy38]

Man respect and enjoy your videos, but here you just act as a cry baby begging Bambu to hire you ...... Is not a perfect machine but is the best out there

[@3DMusketeers]

Where exactly did I say I wanted to be hired by Bambu? I offered to VOLUNTEER my time. Big difference. One is for profit, the other is to help others dealing with BS like I am. And I completely disagree, I am not being a crybaby nor is it the best machine out there.. much better out there

[@haggy38]

@@3DMusketeers So why not open a ticket if is possible Bambu replace your defective machine, is your right? Have you tried work with them? As I agreed with you after sales is pretty bad, it seems they wanted to improve…… Anyway I really hope you can finally enjoy this machine at the end. Regards.

[@3DMusketeers]

Because they will only refund me, not replace. I have tried working with them, but gave up a few weeks ago after dealing with them claiming I was changing subjects, going down rabbit holes that made no sense, and them generally not providing good support IMO.

[@haggy38]

@@3DMusketeers Sorry to heard that, in the fb forums they described this issue but you need to be persistan definitely .

[@tintinthepirate]

@@3DMusketeers Have you thought about the reason they didn't want to offer you any replacement was the bias, and lack of integrity of your videos convinced them even they offer you one, it'd be compromised as your intention was something else? Your half hearted, reluctant 'praise' in previous videos were just comical... You are not going to blackmail Bambu into any business relationship with you.

[@GoatPrint]

The only issues I've had so far, I've caused 😂 wet filament, bad settings for generic, contaminated bed with ASA so PLA won't stick. PTFE accidentally on the nozzle wiper from from lubing up the poop chute. Not purging materials in the correct order etc. You should have returned yours and bought a Prusa for 4x the cost. I don't like the cloud spy aspect but I'm not making parts for a skunkworks and suspect their budget allows for more industrial machines. 😂

[@3DMusketeers]

A Prusa isn't 4x the cost.. I have both.. I am making parts for people that have skunkworks levels of security, so there are concerns for me. Sometimes the budgets do, but there's often little reason to purchase those machines if the material doesn't demand it. But no, these were lemons. #3, sent by a fan, we repaired on stream and has been running fine with some lovely upgrades.

[@JustCarolS]

I have a Bambu A1 and I'll be totally honest with you, I hate the damn thing. It is as delicate as a butterflies wings, and you will take the toolbox apart more times than you can count. When it works it's a wonderful printer, but don't rely on it to work all the time. Currently I am getting an error message that my cutter arm isn't working, and the machine won't calibrate. Tech support is great, but who wants to hang on tech support CONSTANTLY, you want to print. It will take tech support days to reach you sometimes, which if you are printing something important is a downside. The Bambu website does have an assortment of videos to help, but this is supposed to be the easiest machine on the market, and it's not.

[@Wuuzzaaful]

Watching you consistently fail at the simplest things and continuously ignore facts because you think they're 'wrong' was very underwhelming. I will not waste any more time on this channel and will enjoy my three X1Cs.

[@3DMusketeers]

Okay, thanks for coming by

[@icequark1568]

My X1C has ~200 hours on it. No problems like this, but it did come with a role of PLA-CF :)

[@3DMusketeers]

I thought it is PA cf not PLA? My 3rd has been much better, but there is a whole story with it

[@icequark1568]

Double checked. It is indeed Bambu PLA CF. 0.25kg. Maybe your vid caused it to be in the box. TY! :D @@3DMusketeers

[@michaelelliott8350]

I ordered an X1C, loved it so much I ordered a second. I've had lots of issues - but every issue was because I used old filament or made a slicer setting error. Filament feed issues from the AMS because the filament broke somewhere inside the AMS, broken filament in the PTFE tube in the machine, extruder issues, nozzle clogs, etc. Any new filament, and most filament I dried out, worked fine, though I only use relatively new filament in the AMS, and use older filament on the spool holder. The one mod I have on the machine is the Y-splitter that lets me easily switch between the AMS and the spool holder. Cardboard spools have also been an issue when the spool is more than half empty. The spools have a smaller inner diameter, and the filament angle when the spool reaches that point results in a more acute angle from spool to AMS input, which somehow causes the spool to not turn freely. I have learned how to fix issues with the AMS, just by referencing their wiki and KZbin videos. Ditto with cleaning out nozzle/extruder clogs. I have yet to run into an issue I couldn't resolve myself without needing to contact Bambu support. In customer support, it is a pretty typical scenario for support to insist you return an item to factory condition and reproduce the error (e.g. remove any user mods) prior to troubleshooting. Remember both ends of the conversation. 1) The customer service representative is likely leveraging a script and wiki/FAQ, and they have zero knowledge of the impact of any mods you've added and shouldn't be expected to know what mods are safe vs. unsafe and/or trust your statements that your mods have nothing to do with the problem. 2) Though you may be an intelligent, experienced 3D printing guru, a not insignificant number of customers they deal with are not, and you would be amazed at the ingenious ways customers can screw up their machines inadvertently. It reminds me of an episode of House, M.D. and his comment that patients lie about their health/symptoms to their doctor ;-) Do you have a well-secured (isolated) guest network on your router? If so, connect your Bambu to that network just for the duration of a firmware update, and then disconnect it if you're worried about nefarious network traffic.

[@3DMusketeers]

Alas I am not able to connect it to the network, it is an export control thing. I believe it is likely more scenario #1 than #2, but who knows...

[@michaelelliott8350]

@@3DMusketeers #2 was more about the justification for running customer support off of scripts/wiki/FAQ, and behind requiring a machine be restored to factory defaults before attempting to troubleshoot. Add to that Bambu Lab is a new company with explosive growth and has made 3d printing (if you don't get a lemon) accessible to the masses, and I'm unsurprised by the customer support issues. I doubt they hire 3d printing experts to answer customer support level 1, and you have to be really patient to get past level 1 because, let's be honest, level 1 support is measured by how many calls they keep from getting to level 2 (the real metric should be how many calls they resolve without resorting to level 2). I used to handle support calls, have run support for a company, and have set up call centers. I will say you are starting with a hand tied behind your back, since the first ask of support is updated firmware. They quite often won't even talk to you until you bring the machine up to the latest software unless you have a corporate support agreement - which costs big money. I've held the same view as you with respect to defects being unrelated to firmware, and on occasion been proven wrong when the firmware update did indeed fix my issue. We live in the world of IoT. Anyone unwilling/unable to connect the Bambu Lab to the network for firmware updates should simply not buy a Bambu Lab device ... period. You could also create a WIFI hotspot with your phone temporarily and use that to update the firmware.

[@3DMusketeers]

I would be happy to connect the bambu to a network when we can confirm it is not behaving badly. And no I cannot, it has been identified as a risk for export control and any device under my possession must use those rules. If it is suspected, it goes into full quarantine. This is the rules, and the law for the kind of work we do. If Bambu allowed update via SD or USB we would be happy to do it, but they do not.. That is not on me.

[@MastTheKing]

So do you think its worth buying the prusa mk4 and not bambu lab?

[@3DMusketeers]

Absolutely

[@null2470]

Bambu doesn't back up their products. They only do customer support to drag you out of the warranty period. They have no desire to help you once they have your money.

[@3DMusketeers]

I saw that reddit thread too.. lots of oofs there...

[@xXKisskerXx]

for the money, honestly, i think people would be better off with the QidiTech X Max 3, sure it's a bit more finnicky, but the print results/quality are there, they have done a lot of work to get a good printer, and honestly, it's pretty impressive. and yes, the carbon fiber tubes are a terrible idea for a printer gantry system. the wear and tear will wear them out, and then you have to replace them - notably with tiny bits of carbon fiber being shredded into your air for you to breathe. Steel tubing, or titanium tubing, or some industrial grade aluminum alloy tubing, makes much more sense, and is SOOO much easier to maintain. the only real downside is the strange choice to put the filament... behind the machine... I mean i get it for compact use, and if it is on a shelf not against a wall it works out.. but... yeah... a bit odd choice.

[@3DMusketeers]

to each their own I guess. My plus 3 works well, my Q1 pro does not (but qidi has good CS so I am not worried). I ran a tube to the front of the Plus 3 and never looked back.

[@wktodd]

Do bamboo give any reason for encrypting the log files? What settings or parameters on a 3d printer could possibly require encryption?

[@justinbaits7149]

They say they need to "protect their industry secrets" which is absolute horseshit.

[@sporluck]

@@justinbaits7149 Industry Secrets... you know Open Source without giving credit

[@3DMusketeers]

they say it is to protect their IP, as they are stealing IP from others lol. They claim the lidar data and such is it.

[@3DMusketeers]

@justinbaits7149 I can get how they have industry secrets and such, that is fine, but no need to send it over all the dang time.

[@justinbaits7149]

@@3DMusketeers It is also standard to not write secrets to log files. There shouldn't be anything they'd worry about IP wise in the logs. That is the printer owners data and it should not be obscured from them.

[@DaveDarin]

I'm a VORON guy so I only go with fully open source products. The second set of machines I have, older machines, are Lulzbot TAZ 5's. I like them also a lot. Slower than the VORON and they do not run Klipper but they are cool for one main reason. The Lulzbot machines come stock with a 2.85mm filament in and .5 nozzle out. I built a Moarstruder which is a 2.85mm filament and 1.2mm nozzle. That gets me prints more than 4 times faster, as I also crank up the print speed a bit, BUT, of course that gets me pretty raw prototype prints. However, it prints really cool vases as they come out looking like thick threads. I also built an E3D titan which uses 1.75mm filament with a .4mm nozzle. So the Lulzbot is very flexible. I have 2 of them so I keep one set up with the Moarstruder and the other with the stock toolhead. The VORON I use when in a hurry, but I actually use the Lulzbots more. Not into the Bambu products at all.

[@3DMusketeers]

My taz 6 has a similar setup, but I despise 3mm filament. It's terrible to work with. You can get similar flow rates on 1.75mm and even run chonky nozzles too. I'm getting rid of my 6 as I need the space...

[@DaveDarin]

@@3DMusketeers i agree that 2.85mm filament is a bit of a pain, especially nearing the end of the spool as it’s always trying to curl and it also gets brittle. I’ve had great luck with it maybe it’s who I’m buying it from and the quality and colors are cool as I like the gold, bronze, etc. it’s a large machine but I have the room. In fact I have 2 of them and also 2 Snapmaker A350 machines that also take up a lot of room. And of course the VORON.

[@3DMusketeers]

If you are within driving distance of tampa, give me like $1000 (negotiable) and just take my Taz 6, all the filament I have for it, hotends, etc.

[@DaveDarin]

@@3DMusketeers I could not be further away. I'm in Arizona.

[@3DMusketeers]

Well dang.