Source 2 VS... Source 2?

[@adiiose]

I can't wait for source 3

[@kipchickensout]

Good one

[@Trovosity]

Lmao i already know in 3 years this WILL be the joke... i can't wait hahha

[@chost-059]

I hope il live long enough to see that

[@lion_brine_ninja6407]

source 2 chapter 2

[@relicscraps]

I can't wait for *Source: Alyx*

[@GravityTrash]

I remember VNN covering this map. Utterly insane how Valve remade Dust 2 twice

[@KarltheBarl]

Twice we know of, how many dust 2s are there

[@darbstre2900]

VNN is a clown. Bro makes huge broadstatememts then acts credible when they come true.

[@NKorru]

Valve just remade Dust 2 on CS2 from latest version in CS:GO not from this prototype.

[@Tristansfn]

@@darbstre2900 He's so annoying. I still remember when Half-Life: Alyx was revealed and he cried tears of joy because a project he had been working on for years had finally come to fruition. As if he had any part in it at all? All he did was stalk and harass people for vague information. Of all the things he claimed, the only thing that would end up being true, was that it was a VR game. And he wasn't even the source of that information, he just reported on it. Maybe he feels like when he finds these things, he is the one to manifest them into reality?

[@darbstre2900]

@@Tristansfn I missed that wtf lmao. I'm glad he's nearly universally regarded as a clown. He either reports on public information or more often just makes it up lmao.

[@Asaski09]

Assigning your cat a Dust 2-esque colour palette was a nice touch, as well. Good on you.

[@bedmoot]

I wasn't expecting a room tour and I def would not have expected such a sick room!

[@sauce7029]

RIGHT

[@Bella1899]

I know right? Who would've expected Philip to be a hookah addict??

[@angtang01]

@@Bella1899 and corona beer enjoyer ahahah

[@HideorEscape]

Someone should remake this realistic "scaffold" version of dust 2 in Source 2 I really like the realism.

[@jacobgaysawyer337]

@@DailyShit. what you said has nothing to do with anything

[@Billy_Wyatt]

Yeah, it's better than the full matbright CS2 has right now.

[@jacksonelh]

​@@Billy_Wyattit's not better at all. it's extremely visually muddy, theres dark shadows everywhere, no cover and too much visual clutter. you wouldn't want to play a competitive game on that map. the one we see in cs2 in comparison is clean, visible, bright and visually appealing

[@Billy_Wyatt]

@@jacksonelh it's a matter of preference.

[@sackboy1665]

@@Billy_Wyatt *mat_fullbright

[@Catzzye]

5:50 this colour... would love to hear more about your.. thoughts of picking this colour for your living room. brave choice indeed! also love the unique _flowerpots_ near the fireplace haha

[@drgabi18]

2:31 the lamp prop you're zooming in eventually made it into the dust 2 remake or alyx in the end, lots of the props have been reused

[@jojodicus]

yup, the lamp is also in Anubis as well

[@bshap495]

It's nowhere to be seen in HL:A. In fact, the only assets I recognize are some of the cables and electrical boxes, which were remade for the game.

[@jujuyee2534]

@@bshap495 you cant speak of facts if you dont really know for sure🤷🏻‍♂️

[@bshap495]

@@jujuyee2534 I've spent enough time in the HL:A workshop tools to know that the prop they're referring to isn't there.

[@resurgam_b7]

At this point, I'm pretty sure I would happily listen to kliks describe the particularities and discrepancies between two similar pebbles and I would consider it time well spent 😂

[@gabrieltiberius1076]

I wasnt expecting a video of yours about this unused map, It feels like a dream come true hehehe. Nice video!

[@FlyMyTurtle]

The old one is better for a narrative setting. It tries to explain much more logically why the layout is the way it is.

[@AlbertAdamsLincoln]

I like early😢

[@contra7631]

That's the thing turtle rock does best.They can sometimes make very cinematic maps.I mean they worked on left 4 dead franchise.

[@XanderNiles]

The prototype version looks absolutely amazing. It only needed minor tweaks and slightly better lighting and it was ready to go.

[@DeMoNELectro]

If you let me 5/6 month with friend we can recreate this one or getter this one :) and rework on it

[@Hichkuche11]

​@DeMoN ELectro please please please 🥹, how can we access to your map?

[@DeMoNELectro]

@@Hichkuche11 im saying if you let me this time i would probably make it from scratch with a friend :D

[@SCHIZOPHAZIA404]

@@DeMoNELectro THAT WOULD BE AWSOME!!!

[@DeMoNELectro]

@@SCHIZOPHAZIA404 yeah :D maybe we will have acces to this map we don't know we will see

[@TeamTeddy666]

philip's videos are so well edited and he's very well spoken so when he slips in stuff like this you can't help but laugh 10:06

[@cache780]

what? It's on purpose

[@WhatIsTheHeat]

@@cache780 he said slips in not slips up

[@cache780]

@@WhatIsTheHeat what? It's on purpose

[@Attewir]

​@@cache780 lets try once more. "Slips in" = intentional

[@cache780]

@@Attewir what? It's on purpose

[@picklypt]

Amazing alliteration 😂 “There are 2 source2 versions of dust2 which is 2 many 2 some people. There’s this one that belongs 2 counter strike 2 which isn’t 2 dissimilar 2 the 2017 remake that we are familiar with 2day and then there’s this much earlier source2 pro2type which could have been made as far back as 2012 , well certainly over 2en years ago”

[@fgp0032]

The hotel was such an original and refreshing concept, it's sad it didn't make it :(

[@PugLifeJM]

This comparison really highlights how the old version is full of dark and shadowed areas, while the new version is almost uniformly bright because agent skins would turn invisible otherwise.

[@tomyamaza3657]

At 9:04 you can spot Ellis and Coach in the distance, as well as another character who looks to be in orange.

[@itdobelikedattho8112]

It's rochelle

[@kevox9933]

I love the older Source 2, it looks more serious and CSS like. I love the dark and serious theme, like cmon Valve, this is a horror scenario.

[@joeylucca23]

Yeah i agree its cs... Now it looks more cartoony

[@osmankerimli6710]

cs is not a realistic military themed game anymore as the devs said it is not a mil sim it is a sport.

[@Gigadweeb]

countar strike twoe child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. countar strike twoe cartoon world with rainbow unlike countar strike source twoe prototype with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. countar strike twoe like playhouse. countar stronke twoe playor run from csprototype fear of dark world and realism

[@Vin50000]

cs players going outside and calling the grass unrealistic for not looking like horse puke

[@kevox9933]

@@osmankerimli6710 It was never a milsim, cs was a kind of hardcore comp. shooter with a dark and serious theme. Terrorist vs Police/Anti Terror. Its not some sort of watergun playground, it should keep its identity and heavy impact.

[@dignusdingus3709]

I absolutely love the visual style of that prototype Dust 2 map, wish they used it more heavily for the 2017 revamp.

[@Witoree]

5:50 "my living room looks like this" Shows one of the best living rooms I've ever seen

[@timokho20]

I've never saw that older source 2 map of dust 2 before. As the developer stated, it looks so much more realistic and like an actual place than current Dust 2 looks. Its really a shame how cartoony the game has evolved, some of the screenshots of that map and the building models are extremely realistic and if we had that map with the current source 2 lighting, I am sure it would look absolutely incredible Especially the screenshot at 9:53 looking down at long A looks truly like it has come from a real place. But I can only dream what could've been.

[@arrowtongue]

It's worth noting the change to a Moroccan setting might be from that L4D3 was gonna have many locations there, this might've been an experiment in that.

[@appearr7611]

Philip can literally talk about anything related to source or cs and my ears and eyes will open wide

[@locomotivefaox]

I really quite like this map, it feels very much lived in and like everything has a purpose, rather than just being closed off streets and corridors.

[@jakepeterson6488]

Mister kliks, I've been really enjoying your videos lately. I wish you just make them longer

[@jakepeterson6488]

@@3kliksphilip Generally speaking that is true. Maybe expand the topics to a larger format that can increase the runtime. E.g. The video of your experience playing The Talos Principle. That was a very well structured video with the perfect leinght imo

[@dopey473]

Still disappointed we never got that old version, it looked incredible

[@bluebell2334]

I love how you had to sneak Fluffykins in there :) 10:26

[@taguwura]

great video, never seen this dust2 prototype till now. seeing all the bones of l4d3 in s2 makes me kinda sad.

[@1337Ox]

the old dust2 played sooo good, wish they would make it playable again for a weekend or something, they did that only once :(

[@SpokenFlesh]

Source 2 Beta was Dark and Gritty

[@zywoomeister3654]

Just wanna say you are amazing and your content is the best. thank you!

[@brave1]

that old source2 dust2 actually looks really impressive and unique even today

[@Cosmic-Bear.]

I'm not entirely sure if I could describe the feeling but those prototype screenshots give off huge Left 4 Dead 2 vibes, really says a lot about the era of Valve those maps were made in.

[@nsgONE]

10:09 hahaha I love these little details. Something that could easily be mistaken as an editing flaw, but actually a struggle to pronounce a map building up to be a joke. So few content provide this kind of stuff that actually make my day. "Ayo what the hack, how can something so little make your day?" Idk it just does and it could even make you write a comment, apperantly.

[@michaelplaczek9385]

Making A and B be a hotel just makes sense

[@kdee1428]

Glad to here your regular voice... Hope you have recovered ❤

[@Siiilent]

Wow that prototype looks good.🔥

[@white_mage]

this early dust 2 looks stunning and also plays differently in an interesting way. i'd love to give it a try.

[@gman248]

What is crazy is that the Dust 2 remake was done in 2017, yet it is out in the intended form only now in 2023. That is six years of improvements that could have happened. Yet it is looking timeless and as fresh as ever. I bet they have even crazier stuff cooking, that we just dont see yet and will see in a few years.

[@schwarz1538]

these 10 minutes are going to be the best part of my day

[@GerritTime]

7:47 that, "Valve please fix" genuinely caught me off-guard

[@brunop8223]

what music is playing at 6:50?

[@C.A._Old]

*2:12** Oh Hello Nicholas!*

[@ContinueTheBloodline]

what a good video to watch this morning

[@gilvinzalsos8734]

The one with hotel/restaurant esque looks interactive to play with. One thing valorant has over cs go in maps is that their maps look alive, like people actually live and pass the places you walk on the map on a daily basis. Right now CS:GO's dust 2, mirage and overpass feels like a desolate ghost town

[@KIoakk]

Tbh - I quite like them, they have a lot of character. Would like to see more maps like the early S2 ones

[@julie10yamamoto]

It's will be so interesting! Thanks too much!!

[@MrJinxmaster1]

This is realy cool to see how valve has vastly improved the quality of their mapping tools and practices.

[@The0bsessed]

this is why i like 3kliksphilip, if i klick on a video, it plays a video. Not like some of his brothers .... looking at you 2kliksphilip

[@HyperMario64]

I really like the lighting in Source 2. It's just more vibrant and realistic. Dust 2 is fairly stripped down but Inferno looks gorgeous in Source 2.

[@umbrellamuffin]

I wish they had gone for a middle ground with these. I always found blowing up nondescript crates really boring so the idea of the terrorists actually wanting to blow up something relevant is very much welcome

[@S4NSE]

2:06 isn't that the tower that was shown in the announcement trailers when one could see how they were working in the hammer tool, I mean it's basically the mirage tower but still, maybe sus, but cant remember 100%

[@okbuddy7962]

I was so drunk watching this last night. The only thing I remember is him saying source 2

[@qudruplem8570]

I cant believe how much the style shifted, the map looks like something straight out of left for dead

[@alanrcastro8580]

I mean it was 2012-2013, back when Valve was still playing with the idea of Call-of-Duty'ing CSGO.

[@Vinicantstopcrying]

​@@alanrcastro8580 CS franchise was saved by Hidden path. They literally made the whole game and handed in to valve in silver platter. Look at the Documentary of HIDDEN path devs....Valve was working on TF2 and Portal and didn't had no eagerness and time of to work on new CS game back in 2009

[@kniazjarema8587]

@@alanrcastro8580 what do you mean by that? I mean i know what is cod, and what is csgo, but what were they doing to "call of duty" it?

[@havoc3-243]

@@kniazjarema8587 piss filter everywhere i guess

[@alexwilkins558]

Old video but there's also two offices , one for cs2 and one made by backscratch for s&box which feels like more of a remaster compared to the current cs2 version

[@86Fallowcp]

Kinda wish we couldve gotten a little more of the old map, I like how its trying not to be a stereotypical ruined and old middle east landscape but actually a modern village, with café places and new streets being built.

[@stevethepocket]

I wonder where he took the inspiration from. The inside of the restaurant looks exactly how I remember the Tangierine Café at Epcot, and the red building reminds me of the Tower of Terror (which was purposely styled to blend in with the Morocco pavilion that you can see it from due to its height).

[@Morijr-pj2cw]

great vid as always

[@shigekax]

I can't believe how well you pronounced "aurore"

[@MrJinxmaster1]

5:50 that's a pretty well put together living room, but I can't pass judgment on half of a room as if it exists in a vaccum. I also cannot see any sign of utility as all the shelves are ornamentally occupied which might bode ill for where the utility is.

[@formerlymax]

I liked when Phillip talked about driving a vehicle into a pole. Also what's with the two hookas?

[@spectrobit5554]

Playability aside, I much prefer Roger's artstyle. It really makes me wonder what CS:GO could've been were it released on the Source 2 engine instead.

[@clydeshaw876]

As a former mapper I appreciate this early Dust2 version much more than the existing one. It looks a lot more like a real place. Sadly CSGO went too competitive and now every map feels like an arena, even though the graphics are better than before.

[@yellowskrub]

The scaffolding is such a great idea to make the map feel more like a real place with a far more realistic layout while managing to keep the gameplay the same. Its made me think next time I make a map after I've got the layout down and I switch to making it look all pretty instead of making the ground, ground I could instead make it a bridge or scaffolding or maybe even a roof. Somehow this has completely opened my mind to an infinite amount of ideas. I sound crazy dont I? Oh well, luckily only I'll have ever been the one to read this.

[@yellowskrub]

You could add thin sheets (Sheets?) of wood to stop the scaffolding from being see through from below.

[@danilalekseevic9436]

5:49 -source2 graphics looks incredible

[@finkitsallover]

2:31 that asset is in T spawn on Anubis now

[@sylfrear]

I love this old dust2 2 version its so much more moroccan than the one we have now

[@natandirt]

Meeen I'd sell my soul to play that dust 2, I love the vibe of it

[@NY-Vice]

Watching this made me understand why so many artists from CS:GO ended up leaving to work on Valorant. CS:GO is a no-fluff type game where everything must have a purpose, where in Valorant the maps are much more vibrant with random stuff going on in the background. Definitely sounds like a lot more fun for an artist to work on, even if I prefer the CS maps.

[@alanrcastro8580]

or maybe it was just a matter of paycheck lol

[@spiderjerusalem8505]

And also valve never having anything done. At some point you'll be so fed up with new projects getting scrapped you'll seek company that actually finishes them. Money is money, but they can't replace the sense of fulfillment you get from having your job done. But that probably mostly applies to artists lol

[@Vinicantstopcrying]

Some less influential Devs leaving won't do shit to Valve...Look How Turtle rock turned out ? They claimed they are tired of valve and they are gonna make left 4 dead better but only to completely embarrassed themselves with mediocre crap like back4blood

[@HentaiSpirit]

@@Vinicantstopcrying left4blood 😂

[@Vinicantstopcrying]

@@HentaiSpirit My bad but Atleast I made Someone smile

[@JC-tg5xx]

Love a good old 3klik videos explaining cs stuff

[@Steel0079]

This game better come out fast.

[@luminescentlion]

"I'd definitely drive into that." Sneak peak of next video?

[@allenqueen]

I really would like Dota2-esque custom games in Counter Strike Source 2. Having same maps in different times of the day, different themes and maybe some adjusted layouts. I know of server browser, but an official page would bring in lot of players

[@deltahl]

They need to improve the server browser ASAP. If it had map thumbnails, bigger texts, a way to filter out gamemodes (without using tags), .. and it matched the game interface (instead of being an ugly gray menu) players'd play on community servers more frequently. To beginners it looks like an aircraft panel.

[@Hubris1998]

9:45 looks great tho

[@C.A._Old]

*7:47** Ask Valve E-Mails damn it.*

[@IsandJako]

I think valve was also mainly waiting for higher end pc's to go mainstream so they can run source 2 at all

[@verebellus]

this is amazing, someone remake it and publish it

[@miinus8972]

the video of your living room with the huge hookas hit me like a truck

[@thejanitor9902]

Thanks AI Philip for another trip down memory lane!

[@qualitycontent1021]

Prototype's site A looks amazing, so much so I wouldn't mind it if it killed my FPS and was too distracting during gameplay.

[@kniazjarema8587]

true, but there's a lack of boxes or any other thing to hide behind. It's either they haven't planned on putting anything, or completing the rest of the map was more important. maybe both.

[@C.A._Old]

*Early Source 2 engine Was Nostalgia feeling about Source 1 Ultra optimization Level Soul, But Now Source 2 engine is not feel anythings. Souless. and Nutshell Lighting.*

[@idiotshittiot]

Holy shit the amount of corona in your living room

[@goofygoodpasture8511]

I think a more polished version of this map would be fun, and i really hope the assets get released so the community can make it

[@elbodomo8875]

I think what they meant with more realistic, could be based on graphics programming, so the shaders and materials, even when cs got more and more cartoonish, the term realistic in graphics programming is often used for the light formular for calculating light, and how close it is to the real world. Pixar for example is leading in some of those areas even when they do it in animated Movies, because even when the results look like a cartoon or not real at all the light calculation behind can be more "realistic". In cs2 and also in half life alyx we see alot of light improvements reagarding the lightcalculation especcialy whith the use of reflection probes and vulumetric lighting. Sorry for nerding out a bit, but it feels good to know sometimes something in the most random topics thanks!

[@thatskizzle]

5:51 BRO LIVES IN THE GOOF HOUSE WHAT

[@eglewether5523]

That kitchen view looks like something from R6S

[@n9ne]

4:55 look at short A you can defend short A from ct spawn in that D2 version that's actually kinda cool but probably super op for ct's that entire section is open and replaced with scaffolding.

[@alaozarmg459]

Ex QA for Back4Blood here. It took me all video to find out why this guy's name sounded so familiar.

[@KingKaleb77]

My main takeaway from this video: 3kliksphillip really likes Corona

[@noamias4897]

This video just made me realize how much I prefer the old D2 over the new

[@realbr1koo]

I remember back in the early 2000's when i read in a gamemagazine about the freshly released Counter Strike: Source. Seeing pictures of the game i found it really gorgeus, but i didnt really know what its about and how is the gameplay (i only played arena shooters before that game). I have read pages about how everyone loses their minds about 1.6, and i watched the videos of lan tournaments on the discs attached to the magazines. All i remember distinctively is the glowingly yellow dust 2, and the minimalistic yellow hud. It was so different than most games at the time, the pictures about the game looked something so different and distinct from everything else back then. When CS:GO released i already felt that that era will be over, and with it the style and atmosphere the game had, and nowadays younglings wouldnt even understand how different and unique this game felt back in the days. Im really sad about the cartoonish design choice.. and im really sad that more and more games go to this direction. Even the ones i believed to resist the changing of trends..

[@herotroll1]

Seeing very early Source 2 is interesting. Looks like they improved the engine (the lighting especially) quite a bit since then.

[@void7837]

I honestly wish they sticked to the more realistic art style of source 2

[@valt1337]

01:50 tspawn looks amazing

[@panema0]

i want someone to try recreate the source 2 DUST II in source 2

[@TheRogurt]

we need more catkliksphilip

[@xtlm]

Cool. They should release it in the workshop so we can do local server matches on it

[@Kulei666]

As someone who made half a map I can confirm that this early Source 2 version would have changed gameplay completely

[@evgenim1]

В первом варианте реально угнетающая атмосфера. Во втором больше похоже на мультик.

[@LearnSomethingRandom]

Lol, the lamp at 2:36 is also used in Anubis (t spawn). Ancient (haha) prop!

[@metun]

Why did this not be released and tryed out? Looks cool.

[@LewdSCP1471A]

Source 2 was barely functional at the time, it was still in prototyping stages.