3rd Wave // MPE with the ROLI Seaboard Rise2

[@beadmusic72]

It’s Les Pressure ..love your vids. Still learning in my 71st year and 51 yrs with synths. I’m always reaching for my wallet to buy more synths after watching your vids!🙏🎹 Stop!😄

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha… cheers Les and apologies to your wallet!

[@GrooveSynthesisMark]

Beautiful. Thanks for this, Starsky. We truly appreciate your creativity and support.

[@lolhleplol]

The 3d wave sure sounds juicy

[@randommcranderson5155]

What a power combo.

[@drsamurai009]

Between the MPE and the ROLI surface being basically a keyboard/ribbon combo, so long as you can get used to the ROLI, you can make a CS-80 jealous.

[@ArgumentShow]

GREAT PAIRING

[@garysharkie]

Thanks for the video........wow this is a pricey combo

[@busterbuster1641]

Mr Startsky ain't short of a few bob.

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha… Mr Starsky is still working out how to pay for them!

[@zoned7609]

@@busterbuster1641 you always respond to these with something about 'bobs'

[@randommcranderson5155]

@@zoned7609 he's a bob man

[@busterbuster1641]

'Bob' is a British slang refering to money. So Mr Starsky either has quite a few 'bob' or a massive credit card bill ;)

[@dankeplace]

2 behemoths, 3 if you include Starsky.

[@arednas]

Nice reference to Free Beat 😉

[@watchaddicts1213]

Ooh yeah! Ooh BABY!!! RISE 2 (THE VERY TOP OF THE MPE HEAP….drop MIC). Please tell me that it’s the Super Gemini That’s the Desert Island Synth and NOT the 3rd Wave???

[@StarskyCarr]

difficult tbh. but I think id go with the 3rd Wave. But then I already have the Super 6!

[@watchaddicts1213]

@@StarskyCarr AH HA! Therein lies The Scenario: You've received the call; you have to dip;art to the Desert Island....FOREVER. You may take the Super 6...or...the 3rd Wave Desktop, but only one of the two. You may add a MPE controller to accompany either one, No need for hooky melodrama here. With a tear or two shed for the Super 6, you'd pack up the WAVE and waive bye-bye to the UDO, I'm quite sure.

[@watchaddicts1213]

I'm walking back from ledge now. Out there in the cold distance" I see a faint light--the glimmer of Hope. The hope that the Wave can do this Gemini thing after all. You're reply should be: Let that light grow around you,, now that you have seen. But blessed is he who did not see, but believed father Starsky: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXWUdKWfopt2kJosi=oWhadDBVnVh14Rnd

[@JBrm]

Thanks for this video! Still looking for the MPE synth companion to my Osmose, as I don't really like the internal sound engine. On paper the 3rd wave seems to be my best option so far - as it has enough voices along with an extensive mod matrix. And it sounds quite nice :) How are you feeling about the combination? Have you tried it?

[@StarskyCarr]

I've not tried it with the Osmose, that was on loan and unfortunately had to be returned to the owner :( ... The 3rd Wave is great though, a. very flexible synth that can do all the PPG Waldorf 8 bit stuff as well as hi fidelity wavetables, virtual analog (with analog filters) and now even sampling.

[@mk1st]

I’d imagine you couldn’t get as much (if any) MPE control on the keyboard version. Price wise it seems like a wash, so this setup would be a no brainer IMO.

[@michaelgiordano2458]

The keyboard certainly doesn't have the mpe type controls that a Rise or Linnstrument (or whatever has). But the update does enable mpe functionality within the synth if you hook up an external mpe controller.

[@Filtermandave]

Wow I really want one of these Is it hard to get used to it seems like it might be quite hard to play

[@entropybentwhistle]

It’s basically just fine re-tuning your muscle memory for basic playing and then training up the modulation movements. The weird part is getting used to playing what amounts to a piano made out of non-sticky bread dough.

[@TheTerracide]

Damnit! i want to come over and play with your gear! We could be besties!

[@osirismaximus2787]

Im thinking of purchasing a 3rd wave but Id really like to see a video breaking down the differences between the desktop and full version before I make a decision. Obviously the controls are condensed for the desktop but ive yet to see anyone explain the exact differences and how it effects workflow. It would be really nice to save money by going with the desktop but im almost afraid not to go with the full version just on the chance that the workflow will be impaired and therefore wont be as inspiring and I wont get the most out of it.

[@michaelgiordano2458]

As far as I'm aware, there's no difference between the desktop and keyboard edition, other than (as you said) the condensation of knobs/controllers.

[@100haymaker]

The main difference apart from the keys missing is each oscillator has its own controls on keyboard . On desktop there’s one set of controls but three buttons to chose which oscillator you control. The same with envelopes etc. smaller buttons and knobs. Seems to be a perfect compromise between form and menu diving. Let’s face it the keyboard looks sexier but I’ve been assured by Groove that the sound etc is exactly the same. I’m debating about the desktop too.

[@michael999michael999]

I haven’t tried the desktop but have the keyboard version, and so glad I do. I mess around with each oscillator a lot, so having distinct controls defo helps my workflow. My first synth (which I still have) is a P10 desktop - love the form factor but when I want to just pick up and play it, I need to faff around connecting another controller. Always slightly regretted not getting the keyboard version. With the 3w keyboard I simply switch it on and go - only 30 secs difference but I makes a big difference to me. Having everything at my fingertips - and being able to see where I’ve turned each of the oscillator nobs, really makes this a wonderful synth. The keybed is beautiful too. Go keyboard if you have the space and funds mate.

[@futurelustmedia]

@@100haymaker At the pricepoint they’re asking for, it might just be best to get an MPE controller with the desktop module

[@100haymaker]

@@futurelustmedia I got mine yesterday. It’s one of the easiest synths that I’ve ever used. Haven’t even read the manual yet and know 90% of it. Brilliant VA engine and with the wavetables of Prophet VS that Starsky Carr sent them it’s even better. Definitely have no worries about ease of use of the desktop.👍

[@holberg_music]

I really want to love this synth but there's something in the sound I don't gel with. I've heard a lot of patches and everything sounds a bit bloated or nasal to me, as if the filters only produce one kind of tone. Maybe I'm just not used to hearing resonant poly patches with bass compensation or something. I'd love to see it sound-matched with other synths so I can tell if I'm hearing things...

[@marzzz1]

You need to play one yourself, that's what did it for me.

[@michael999michael999]

Yep can confirm it sounds incredible in person. So so so good. Better than a P10 on the whole (punchy statement, I know)

[@holberg_music]

@marzzz1 @@michael999michael999 I should give it a chance in person but it ought to come across in a video demo. You can't make a bad track and then tell people that they had to be there with the synth in the studio. But the instrument is pleasing a lot of people, so well done to the team!

[@stevesmyth4982]

The 3rd Wave is so good that I have both versions, it CAN sound nasally but that's just the patches you've heard.

[@JohnTrasher]

This or Nina?

[@StarskyCarr]

Never used a Nina. Looks nice, but I love this thing.

[@xfghffhfg]

Both!

[@dirkkeersmaekers4343]

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

Cool : but wat is the target market $3.500 for a desktop module? it has nothing, absolutely nothing to justify such high price : it's a digital revision of an old digital relic that cost as much as 3 desktop VIRUSES TI's PASS hard PASS !

[@JohnTrasher]

Why so harsh judgement? What else makes such sounds?

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

@@JohnTrasher It's not about the sound sir : it's about the cost for particular product such as 3rd Wave . If I purchased Kyra for $1000 preowned : massive polyphony and 8 part multi : both are digital, both are great built quality : what justifies such a high price for 3rd Wave and what makes it special? it costs more than 3 Nord Lead 2X keyboards ( preowned) : Cheers 🥂

[@StarskyCarr]

It has analog filters so comparisons with fully digital synths will always be less expensive.

[@AudioLomtik]

@@EBMZEQUENZER For me it's totally about the sound. I have multiple VA synths... I passed on the Kyra because of the horrible menu diving, it's an abandoned product for a reason. The sound of the 3rd wave hits the ears in a way that synths with digital filters simply cannot. The 3rd Wave has a digital 2 pole filter which is as high quality as any other digital filter but there is a definite difference in sonic quality....And then, it's not only a VA engine synth it is a wavetable synth that lets you make and mangle your own wavetables with ease. Until you've worked with one it's easy to overlook all of the versatility that's in this box. I've heard the 3rd Wave accurately emulate many digital and analog synths, while the Kyra alway seemingly has that 90's VA Trance/EDM/Virus sound. Not that that's a bad sound, but it's all it can do. 3rd Wave is much more. As Starsky said, analog VCF and VCA synths like this simply cost more, as does the more immediate interface.

[@xfghffhfg]

@@EBMZEQUENZER 24 high quality VCF and VCAs and all the electronics to support it (Audio converters/D/A modulations converters) are costly, also, Groove synthesis seems to be very into it's development and adding new features, this is very costly too. Kyra was a failed product that was abandoned by Waldorf...