4 Link Brackets Unveiled: The Ultimate Guide

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@StreetRacingChannel
@StreetRacingChannel 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best explanations of a four link suspension I’ve seen. The low prep brackets interest me for sure! Hopefully I can get this traditional four link to work in the nova, if not I’ll be giving you guys a call.
@slopoke22
@slopoke22 8 ай бұрын
Nice video where a person can get an understanding of what's goin down and proceed to research correctly from then on.
@fastvsix
@fastvsix 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched every instant center/antisquat video on youtube. This is by far the best!!
@0lddragracer426
@0lddragracer426 Жыл бұрын
I thought I understood basically how it all worked until I watched this video, and it really lifted the veil for me. Many thanks. I may purchase some of your products.
@mikef-gi2dg
@mikef-gi2dg 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that was a ton of 4 link info packed in there. Never seen a explanation with traditional vs extreme 4 link side by side. That was an eye opener for sure. When 1500hp or less is considered low power, I guess the one size fits all suspension is a long dead concept. WoW!
@MrT00kie
@MrT00kie 8 ай бұрын
Great representation. I'm not a drag racer and I learned a ton.
@toddcallaghan5609
@toddcallaghan5609 2 жыл бұрын
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@92egturbo
@92egturbo Ай бұрын
Great information and excellent explanation.
@DNRAuto
@DNRAuto 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I’m definitely gonna have to look into that low prep four link setup in the future. I like it
@Fastlife660
@Fastlife660 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the simplified approach! Your explanation was everything!!
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!!
@lowrider3060
@lowrider3060 2 жыл бұрын
Great teaching on the 4 link back in the day nobody would give you that information to me that's more important than HP getting a car to hook and hand is first thing
@MCFRYMotorsport
@MCFRYMotorsport 2 жыл бұрын
That is an awesome explanation of 4 links, I saved this info into the back of my head for when I return to racing.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@kaseyfranks7495
@kaseyfranks7495 2 жыл бұрын
GREAT 4 link tutorial!!! Love your tech information videos!!!
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy them! More coming soon!
@rickyscz28
@rickyscz28 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely outstanding! Thank you for making this where even I understand it! ( This is Ricky Hunt btw). BBB breaking it down!!
@Rick.1904
@Rick.1904 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome lesson, simple and easy to follow. Now I know why you and your company come so highly recommend.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@RogerMoore-ne6hu
@RogerMoore-ne6hu Жыл бұрын
Great explanation and easy to understand video. It helped me to understand and how to set up my rear suspension. Thanks for the video.
@craigm5511
@craigm5511 2 жыл бұрын
What a fabulous video - probably the best real-world explanation that I've ever seen about the benefits of the shorter top cars up to 1500hp. Thank you.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Cleatus46
@Cleatus46 9 ай бұрын
Wow...interesting stuff...thanks so much for taking the time to explain how a four-link works. So, anti-squat is what Jim Liberman incorporated in his 1965 GTO funny car Brutus. He was building rear-end "lift kits" for street rods at Goodies Speed Shop during that time period when I was a crewman on Brutus. When Brutus left the line, the rear of the body would lift and I guess that is now called separation. So, the question is....what determines the required length of the four-link bars since longer or shorter links don't change the instant center? Is it a trade-off between short vs long as it relates to stiffness vs flexing? Thanks!
@chrislowery185
@chrislowery185 Жыл бұрын
Excellent description of how rear suspension works. Thank you
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars Жыл бұрын
Very welcome!
@mikecondoluci53
@mikecondoluci53 2 жыл бұрын
WOW THATS THE BEST EXPLANATION IVE EVER HEARD THANK YOU
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@shaunroberts9361
@shaunroberts9361 2 жыл бұрын
Showed up here because of SRC. Will subscribed and will watch you channel for sure.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Shaun Roberts 🤘
@tuloko16
@tuloko16 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation!! After years of running a rotary datsun 510 (light weight/short wheelbase) on traditional 4 link, i decided to try out the low prep bars, and all i can say is i’m impressed. With the traditional 4 link the car was “manageable”. But it was constantly riding the “edge” between getting traction and uncontrolled wheelies and have to bring it back down via power management. Now that “window of error” seems to have opened up and made the car more predictable and manageable. Only have 12 passes on the setup, so still figuring things out, but definitely an improvement.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome man! Thank you for the positive feedback! Love it
@ForceEngineering
@ForceEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
Great info! Around 2002, when I was 15, we would plot out the instant center on the inside of the trailer wall. Couldn't loose the notes that way! lol
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@patrickm.8425
@patrickm.8425 Жыл бұрын
What do I have to take into consideration when welding up the brackets on my rear end? Won't the welding distort the rear axle housing tubes to some extent?
@bmv0823
@bmv0823 2 жыл бұрын
This was a really good video. Nicely done.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@brianb5779
@brianb5779 2 жыл бұрын
This would have been a 200 dollar book back in the day...Really appreciate this info.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Now we can share it for Free 99! The beauty of KZbin!
@Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge
@Hazardous-Hotrod-Knowledge 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, i was trying to find out how the shorter upper arm effects the geometry with a 4 link and I’m glad you covered it! Really helps visualize how different set ups will work
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@1off1935
@1off1935 2 жыл бұрын
Always wondered how all that worked. Great explanation!
@stevegaither2803
@stevegaither2803 29 күн бұрын
A extended cab S10 with about 800hp. Small tire. Prep/no prep and maybe some bracket racing locally. What would you recommend for the 4 link setup. No tube chases but got to do back half. Just
@finnroen2334
@finnroen2334 2 жыл бұрын
All of this is excellent IMO. Well done.
@Justin-g5k2i
@Justin-g5k2i 24 күн бұрын
So is it better for anti squat numbers to lower with seperation on a bad surface or is that the point of the low prep bars , to keep the anti squat numbers higher during separation on a bad or not so good surface
@davidgough1161
@davidgough1161 Жыл бұрын
Thank You Brad, I finally understand this!
@nickb289
@nickb289 2 жыл бұрын
That is a great explanation of set ups. Thank you.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Very welcome
@GarageBuiltRacing
@GarageBuiltRacing 10 ай бұрын
This was incredibly helpful
@WW3RZ
@WW3RZ Жыл бұрын
4link parralel or triangulated, opinions on what's better? For small tyre no prep
@Alexander-nb1rz
@Alexander-nb1rz 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video I learned something I will given you a call in the near future.
@momentummotorsports6137
@momentummotorsports6137 Жыл бұрын
Great video excellent explanation i totally understand now 👍
@robertdieman7025
@robertdieman7025 2 жыл бұрын
Get this man an embroidered "BBB" lab coat and make this a weekly segment!
@Jamesmyatt1313
@Jamesmyatt1313 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome information got me to subscribe
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Stoked you're along for the ride!
@nalley6815
@nalley6815 Жыл бұрын
I’m brand new to this so it’s most likely a stupid question but I’m gonna ask it anyway. You’re saying on the triangular mustang bars it will not separate as much. Could you not just run a more aggressive bar angle to combat it OR would it be too aggressive on the launch? Bad outweighing the good kind of situation?
@RustyEast
@RustyEast 28 күн бұрын
This is exactly what I was needing 🍻
@andrewmazzetti6926
@andrewmazzetti6926 2 жыл бұрын
Tons of great information here. Thanks for the video!
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome 🤘
@taraterrell4039
@taraterrell4039 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Brad!!!
@Gapking421
@Gapking421 6 ай бұрын
Ordered the “ low prep “ brackets. Looking to get them. In my camaro pretty soon
@brandon65960
@brandon65960 Жыл бұрын
I have a question? How do I get those brackets on my housing if my ends a already welded on? Thanks in advance! I love these videos and can’t wait to start cutting out my old leafsping setup .
@jakefriesenjake
@jakefriesenjake Жыл бұрын
Well if you like cutting so much, cut it in one spot, bend it around the shaft and the weld her up. If you're worried about the "weak spot" that you created, find a 5" long grade 8 bolt that's the same thickness of the bracket and weld her up again!
@WDMtea
@WDMtea 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for breaking this down Barney style. Amazing video, the website is very very reasonable.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@Prismracing
@Prismracing Жыл бұрын
This is a great, direct, information packed video. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
@pedromoralez7666
@pedromoralez7666 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely learnt something from this video great explanation thank you
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@b9350t
@b9350t 2 жыл бұрын
Best video ever. And Tin soldiers is great!
@genuinejake9851
@genuinejake9851 Жыл бұрын
Have you had anyone try the no prep setup on a truck like a squarebody? Trucks are always a challenge to get to hook. Im four linking mine now and came across this.
@pamdunn8454
@pamdunn8454 9 ай бұрын
what size tubing and wall thickness are you using , and what size heim joint and bolt hole size with this 4 link ?
@SirCoolJerk1030
@SirCoolJerk1030 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video Brad , thanks.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@flux_core_fx
@flux_core_fx Ай бұрын
Thanks so much, great video
@ohiogrudgeracing
@ohiogrudgeracing 2 жыл бұрын
Great info, keep it up guys!
@DNRAuto
@DNRAuto 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a question, based on the principals talked about with the short upper control arm and the success of the foxbody, why don’t we see many more competitive g body’s in no prep. They have a very similar set up. Is it just the rest of the g body flaws that cancel out any good that rear geometry is doing?
@dougwilliams3296
@dougwilliams3296 2 жыл бұрын
Adjustability in the torque boxes. A lot of changes making new adjustable ends is nessesary
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
I would say it’s just because there is not as many of them. Most do like the Fox because of the strut up front. But as far as the rear suspension they are close.
@hankhatchcock9109
@hankhatchcock9109 2 жыл бұрын
Billy hoskins from SRC asked me to come subscribe to y'all boys so I did y'all have a great day y'all post them and I'll watch them Hank and Kellye from Bessemer City North Carolina
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub Hank and Kellye!
@swift__
@swift__ Жыл бұрын
Insanely good video🤜🏻🤛🏻
@gtmotorsports937
@gtmotorsports937 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
You bet 🤘
@phillipsmudracing
@phillipsmudracing 2 жыл бұрын
Would that "low prep" bracket set up work in a mud/dirt drag truck with cut 44" bogger tires? They still have a pretty stiff sidewall after cutting.
@rayowens4355
@rayowens4355 Жыл бұрын
Very good, clear info. Thanks
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@sweeperstang
@sweeperstang 2 жыл бұрын
Which setup works for a 1000hp or less truck?
@codyreynolds6333
@codyreynolds6333 Жыл бұрын
I have a c4 vette a 84 and need to know do I need to cut into the cabin space to run the 4 link they sell a 12 point cage with a rear for a 4 link on jegs and all the kits are super short cause their is no room and the cabin is low
@jessemurphy1705
@jessemurphy1705 Жыл бұрын
What does the bar length end up at with this kit ? Whats the optimum length lower for a 1700hp 275 car
@bruceporter8978
@bruceporter8978 Жыл бұрын
Thank you awesome info for me as a beginner
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@brentvonaschen7064
@brentvonaschen7064 11 ай бұрын
I am building a 4 link suspension for an air suspension S10. Street truck not slammed but safely lowered and ride height at 6 in drop. How does a softer suspension or low air pressure affect the changes in the instant center?
@brentvonaschen7064
@brentvonaschen7064 11 ай бұрын
My bars are planned equal length parallel and triangulated to position the axle. I am looking at a top wishbone link to incorporate a 5th bar essentially.
@jogovideos
@jogovideos 2 жыл бұрын
great explanation
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@Tookoff
@Tookoff 2 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to have these on my no prep build
@woodrowdelozier1
@woodrowdelozier1 Жыл бұрын
Well done 💪😎
@MayesBuilt
@MayesBuilt 2 жыл бұрын
I was trying to work out these number when building my truck and it is a ton of numbers to plot anti-squat and instant center throughout travel.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it is
@trapperdude223
@trapperdude223 2 жыл бұрын
Would these calculators work on something like “stock suspension” Mustang with adjustable control arms and torque boxes?
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely
@Simmonsracing187
@Simmonsracing187 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video very good explanation 👌🏾
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it
@BMF_Garage
@BMF_Garage 2 жыл бұрын
That was an awesome explanation
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@tannercloyd966
@tannercloyd966 2 жыл бұрын
This was excellent
@lowrider6536
@lowrider6536 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question how would the short bar system work on a S-10 chassis full frame with a nine inch rear end say with maybe 950 to 1200 hp
@jamesjarvis5638
@jamesjarvis5638 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question that may be stupid. I was wondering I don't want to take the brackets out of my big tire car in case I want to race on big rires, but we do switch to small tires to and I've had this issue also. Can you make the low prep bracket Where It Bolts into the original 4 Link bracket with a shorter bar for the top. Then I could change the bars and brackets when I want to run big tires or small tires without having to build a whole different car. Is that possible?
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
You can. Many cars out there like that.
@jamesjarvis5638
@jamesjarvis5638 2 жыл бұрын
Can I order this top bar and brackets from y'all will you y'all make them for me
@jamesjarvis5638
@jamesjarvis5638 2 жыл бұрын
And thank you for responding to me
@jamesjarvis5638
@jamesjarvis5638 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to see about bringing the car to y'all and having y'all read through the back half but when I was told it would be almost twenty Grand I can't afford that
@jakefriesenjake
@jakefriesenjake Жыл бұрын
​@jamesjarvis5638 $20k? Holy moly!
@nosnerd1967
@nosnerd1967 2 жыл бұрын
U ever try a taller housing bracket for above housing for top bar ?
@cramstick
@cramstick 2 жыл бұрын
10 thumbs up and a new subscriber thanks
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Stoked to have you along for the ride!
@frediefarmer
@frediefarmer 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. Great video..👍🏽🇺🇸👍🏽
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
You bet
@lawhornracing6921
@lawhornracing6921 2 жыл бұрын
Love this. Gold stuff. Keep it up
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@NoNameRacecars
@NoNameRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@marcstlaurent3719
@marcstlaurent3719 2 жыл бұрын
Great info I’ve never heard before
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@chriswise1232
@chriswise1232 Жыл бұрын
Just when I thought I understood 4 links...
@LoganbuiltRaceShop
@LoganbuiltRaceShop 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Brad!
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@tonysabatino4725
@tonysabatino4725 Жыл бұрын
So what if I’m running about 650 hp with DOT slicks?
@ketocure4092
@ketocure4092 2 жыл бұрын
I need a set where in KY are you located?
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
We are located in Covington, KY!
@victorwesterlin82
@victorwesterlin82 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice, thanks.
@twistedkidmotorsports9093
@twistedkidmotorsports9093 2 жыл бұрын
Great info 🦾
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@mikecappelletti598
@mikecappelletti598 2 жыл бұрын
Found your channel from src
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for subbing
@freddiemoralez1536
@freddiemoralez1536 28 күн бұрын
I understand exactly what you mean 🎉🤔👍🏾💯
@santoscastello7747
@santoscastello7747 2 жыл бұрын
Came over from SRC
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Stoked you're here!
@imtheonevanhalen1557
@imtheonevanhalen1557 Жыл бұрын
Dunno about all of the separate / squat theories, but I'll tell what to NEVER do with a 4 link set-up. DO NOT try lowering the car by dropping the shock mount locations. I did it once in a Pinto bracket car just because I liked the look of it lowered.....tubbed, 14.5 inch M/T 32" slicks. When I dropped the shock location, the lower link bar was no longer horizontal, but angled down slightly towards the front....about half track in the eighth mile, the rear of the car began to rock back and forth like someone was twisting the body left and right......scared the living shit out of me......all of those angles it seems, are VERY important!
@BotelloPerformance
@BotelloPerformance 2 жыл бұрын
How do spreads effect 4 link operation
@tomahoks
@tomahoks 2 жыл бұрын
10:00 like a Swedish Volvo 245 in Sick Week -22. Rear end rose like a mofo and 204mph ET 6,45s
@hookmaster1109
@hookmaster1109 2 жыл бұрын
That car is actually a ladder bar car.
@metalworksmachineshop
@metalworksmachineshop Жыл бұрын
Do you make parts for a 4th gen Firebird. No shitStain cars in my garage. Lol
@marcussmith1429
@marcussmith1429 2 жыл бұрын
at 128% anti squat will the traditional and low prep brackets make it to 3” of extension?
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Big Brain Brad says it most likely would
@scottbrown3674
@scottbrown3674 2 жыл бұрын
Drinking Beers and Climbing Ring Gears!
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
🤘
@nosnerd1967
@nosnerd1967 2 жыл бұрын
Very similar to old super stock corvette 4 links due to packaging constraints
@llvanderhoek1406
@llvanderhoek1406 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks great.
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@supercharged6771
@supercharged6771 2 жыл бұрын
Fortunately i do have a lift at home and i also plot everything on the floor
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
🤘
@lawhornracing6921
@lawhornracing6921 2 жыл бұрын
Post a video on how this works with a gbody
@TinSoldierRacecars
@TinSoldierRacecars 2 жыл бұрын
Everything shared in this video applies to a gbody
@scrappyclappedoutfoxbody4174
@scrappyclappedoutfoxbody4174 2 жыл бұрын
And this is why the staging lanes is full of foxbodys.
@mikef-gi2dg
@mikef-gi2dg 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen that, and I didn't understand why until NOW. Dam!
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