4 NBA Players Successfully Beating The BUST Allegations This Year...

In this video we discuss four young NBA players that were on the verge of becoming draft busts after failing to live up to the hype but this season have been turning things around in a big way... Coby White, Obi Toppin and more discussed
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[@treymatthews3353]

I don’t think anyone was calling Jalen Johnson a bust. Like you said he was the 20th pick, and in the minutes he played his first 2 years he looked good he just didn’t get the opportunity to show how good he was. The one thing I will say is his jumper is much improved, but anyone calling him a bust just wasn’t watching.

[@mikiec125]

Agreed, you're hitting all the points. He made Collins expendable plus he's a more capable defender.

[@SusanSorandom]

Yeah Jalen’s the opposite, a draft steal

[@Funnygetem]

Everybody forget he was the number 1 player in the country at a point

[@jackfranzino7887]

Same with Obi Toppin on the Knicks even tho he was in the lottery

[@calraymond7756]

He was talking about the hype he had coming out of high school and limited college play

[@mikiec125]

White was a victim of to many wings, while still needing time to develop. Ball, Curuso,Zach,Terry, DeMar, Pat Bev, Carter etc. Dude had to fight to get 3rd-4th guard minutes with vets.

[@mickidoesmedia]

yeah minutes was a big issue for White's development

[@jrmarcus]

White also developed defensively. He went from being instant offence off the bench to a legitimate NBA starter. I really like how White put in the work to develop, but I also think it's great how supportive he was of his teammates, even when he wasn't getting the minutes.

[@gabrielcarrasco9078]

​@jrmarcus Thats why he'll fit on any team. Instant offense, improved defense. Easily could have pouted about lack of minutes, but chose to support his teammates. Likely took a couple of years off his resume. But that attitude will make you a coveted player.

[@rafalmatuszewski7718]

His name is Kobe! If your name is Kobe then either you perform likeTHE Black Mamba or you dont du it at all🤭😎🤣

[@rafalmatuszewski7718]

Kobe is geting better and better. He is prepperd to be a Bull😎

[@LouieOcean.]

Coby white is him!!! I’m so glad he’s having success in the league at the moment.

[@ernstbuchmann5050]

Such a good choice of players. Coby and suggs are playing awesome this year 😍.

[@NiteBurst]

Obi was never a bust, he just barely got playtime and a real role on that Knicks team, same with D Rose and a couple others

[@Dilemina]

Lottery that was traded for 2 2nd round picks is a bust. For the team that drafted him anyway.

[@bigbangbasketball]

Yeah Thibs did him dirty, he couldve replaced J randle tbh

[@AfG_313]

@@DileminaI watched Obi Knicks stint he just lacked defense and still does, he’ll soon be out

[@re11o]

Knew Obi was gon blossom once he got TF out of NYC💯 It’s so good that Coby finally hoopin🥹

[@JGRG07]

Those who really watch the bulls aren't surprised about Coby

[@kyserrylee6909]

Facts he got better every year on many aspects of his game

[@timadamson3378]

Well, yes, but he was a turnover machine, and I didn't know if he could clean that up. He has.

[@harrislaurent429]

Zach hindered Coby’s development than the bulls randomly went into win now mode and pretty much forgot abt him until Zo’s injury. I was always rlly high on him and I’m glad he’s finally coming into his own

[@bigbangbasketball]

He was always a player i hoped got more playing time

[@amean88]

Zach didn't hinder his growth... it's Billy Donovan who moved Coby to the bench last season and gave Ayo at the point guard spot instead of giving Coby that role last season. BD didn't give Coby a chance at the point guard until this season.

[@gabbywitt873]

⁠@@amean88zachs ballstopping play is the problem tho. Billy Donovan at the end of the day can only do so much with the max contract guy. Stars cooperating with their coach is an anomaly and the fact that Zach isnt one of those guys just further proves why he’s a hinderance. I like Zach and I’m not big on Billy Donovan, but until Zach alters his game to account for the fact that his first step is gone, taking away his dual threat of baiting people into defending the drive, allowing him to step back (sweet move, i miss those times) he’s gonna delude himself into being Bradley Beal.

[@reignmans]

@@gabbywitt873 so... zach is ballstopping who always needs to up the tempo while demar who needs to dribble the air out of the ball so he go to his spot and if he hasnt created enough separation to his defender, he then goes into his 100 pumpfakes motion until someone bites... if not pass it with 4" remaining is not? demar hindered zach who then in turn hindered coby (who was benched by billy tho lmfao)

[@gabbywitt873]

@@reignmans its true for both imo. Demar is marginally better only because Zach lost that step, and Zach’s attitude can be hard to watch. Love both those guys too dont get me wrong.

[@guillermor9207]

I always believed in Coby White since the Bulls drafted him! He was my favorite prospect in 2019 and it’s awesome seeing him finally find his groove. I’m not even a Bulls fan (I’m a Lakers fan) but I love seeing exciting guards thrive in the NBA and put on good games. I think I’m one of the few people that never gave up hope on White 😅 I just thought he needed a change of scenery, but I’m glad he’s doing this with the team that drafted him. It would be awesome to pair him up with a young, defensive big that’s on the same timeline as him (early 20’s and improving year by year) so they could be a great guard/forward duo. If Marvin Bagley was still good, that would’ve been a great duo but Bagley doesn’t even look like he has a future in the NBA at this point.

[@NachoJA]

Ya I'm a huge bulls fan, but I'm not going to lie I gave up on him. I'm very happy he is doing so well but I'm upset with myself for giving up so easily.

[@spencer4359]

Yea i was wrong on him. Hes looking amazing. Happy to be wrong. Us bulls needs some hope.

[@frimaz3468]

Never lost hope fr loved that we got him in the draft

[@ZaeOSWS]

I hate that guy, can’t make a shot for shit in 2k 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@jamiegaskins3687]

He’s been showing flashes of this since day one but the Bulls would never give him consistent minutes. Its been so frustrating. (Not a Bulls fan either, a UNC fan) It’s not a coincidence or luck that he went off as soon as he got a real chance

[@franzchuongco]

Coby White is legit, never complained and just worked on his game. Everything coming together now

[@henrymanahan2764]

Coby White is on fire. i've watched all of the games and when Zach sat he flipped a switch like I've never seen before.

[@user-vv1qg8tl8c]

The reason why Coby white's number are low last season and year before is because he becomes smarter, focusing where he could help besides from scoring. White turned himself into two way potential, his defense,iQ,ball handling, finishing and playmaking improved a lot compared to his first two seasons.

[@neroignatiusrosewater]

Exactly. Fortunately, AK was smart enough to see that. I'm hoping Patrick & Ayo continue to improve in a similar way. They could turn into a real solid young core.

[@Trick.Ricky.Sternn]

And not getting minutes did that tho.

[@mistermcman2243]

I feel like Dante exum should be mentioned here. He’s been balling lately

[@chuck2502]

Ok and hes still a bust😂. Hes like 29 hes not gonna improve

[@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289]

​@@chuck2502try watching a game BOZO. the last four games he is averaging 22, 5 and 5 won 40+% 3 pts and plus defense. He is a stud and doesn't need to ImPrOvE...

[@CobyWhiteLover0]

​@@chuck2502why does his age change how good he's gonna play? Life isn't 2k

[@rubenespinoza8560]

He’s too old, he’s in his “prime” years and unlike these players mentioned in the video who are still young

[@chuck2502]

@@CobyWhiteLover0 Ok but its historically proven that 29 year olds usually dont improve. Too bad. Exum is still a bust even if hes balling out (for only 5 games 10 years after his draft)

[@jdh9676]

COBY COBY COBY COBY COBY!💯

[@Yxngsensei]

havent finished the vid but i feel like everyone that watched Obi knew that he jus needed to be on another team thats not using him as a spot up shooter. but knowing you you prolly gon say sum similar like this. never thought of him as a potential bust

[@buzzerbeater3350]

He wasn't a Thibs guy.

[@Other_Robots]

⁠@@buzzerbeater3350nah thibs is just overrated

[@liferealgood]

@@buzzerbeater3350by that you mean Obi doesn’t play defense.

[@buzzerbeater3350]

@@liferealgood Correct. Plus the Knicks play at too slow of a pace.

[@buzzerbeater3350]

@@Other_Robots I can that.

[@LargeDude2023]

Surprised you forgot Cam Reddish who also escaped from NY

[@buzzerbeater3350]

He wasn't a Thibs guy.

[@treymatthews3353]

I mean I’d still definitely label Cam a bust. Yes, he has gone from a dog shit defender to an above average defender. However, his offensive problems are still there. He’s still inconsistent, inefficient, and has bad tunnel vision.

[@unrulybxite]

4th team in 5 years... "Escaped" from NY 😂 The dick riding is despicable.

[@FreeTaylorSwift]

Cam is still a bust imo. But it’s debatable

[@Joshkiddy15.]

Cam still isn’t good lmaoo y’all forgot he was drafted by the Hawks right?

[@JGRG07]

I also hate the microwave society. Ppl expect all players to develop in three years or less. Some players take 5+ years to really find their game. Ppl are so quick to call a player a bust. You can tell they never played real sports growing up.

[@coreyroberts47]

Fr. There’s commanders fans talking about moving on from Sam Howell

[@bobbosworld6795]

Suggs 27 steps ahead of everyone on defense. Good lord those are some crazy highlights.

[@nazeemfonemgaddafi]

Great content

[@Mr.Nowapski]

Beating the bust allegations is a wild title

[@k8rlos]

Oh yeah this guy giving Coby love I’m subbing.

[@k8rlos]

I’m already subbed 🤡

[@Yxngsensei]

he had that one week avrg 25 in his rookie szn. really was about to give up on him last szn but now look at him. Bulls shouldnt feel that bad trading Zach now

[@k8rlos]

@@Yxngsensei hopefully Zach is gone soon. He should be embarrassed how the team has performed. Not to mention his stock may be low because of it lmao.

[@sneakyninja0866]

Obi was never a bust he just didn’t fit our system we needed defense and rebounding from him especially in playoffs and he couldn’t provide that much.

[@bkelly625]

The Pacers need the same thing his starting position is temporary… overall he’s still kind of a bust but it could be worse

[@adamdrach3894]

No we didn’t. We needed Randle to play the 4 instead of still thinking he was a 3. He doesn’t have speed or finesse to play the 4 yet the Knicks think we can win with him doing that 😂😂😂. We needed what he’s doing on the packers but he had to play the 4 most of the time he’s not a pf

[@rafalmatuszewski7718]

I am from Poland and when I want to hear something interesting about Basketball, You are one of the Best. Bring it more👌👍😎

[@liferealgood]

Obi was never considered a bust though. I think his defense just made him unplayable in certain situations. His rebounding is kinda sus too.

[@kodymayersdorf4335]

He's still one of the worst in the league defensively

[@amancalledhawk5575]

No thibs can’t coach

[@liferealgood]

@@amancalledhawk5575 nah Obi can’t play defense and he doesn’t have a back to the basket game.

[@satoeradzafrin7646]

Its always great to see a player finally stop busting, I hate seeing players being so hyped up only for them to bust

[@samsackett211]

???????

[@TheMathFan]

phrasing is needed

[@chocolatedaddy2094]

Yo wtf😂😂😂

[@Dantana773]

Very Interesting Perspective.

[@nickwilson9216]

Dante exum needs to be on this list

[@LuvYek]

lowkey but i think it’s too soon

[@jimbutts4085]

Love this video

[@siddyfisher1765]

Obi I never considered a bust. People were just down on him because the Knicks didn't take a guard that draft and because of Randle, Obi didn't get many minutes. He's a great fit for the Pacers. Happy for him, always came across as such a lovely guy

[@Yes-ml4bw]

Obi was definitely a bust up until this season.

[@RealFlankenBerry]

@@Yes-ml4bwKnicks fans are just revisioning history now that Obi is actually playing with a PG and looking good 😂

[@raheppe]

Obi is still a bust, this dude is just feeding you some b.s., haha, and you ain't following the league close either. He is still just a spot up shooter, etc. Watch them play, you won't even know he's out there when he is.

[@thomasbarry8869]

Really good video!!! Ur videos remind me a lot of jxmyhighroller

[@janpaul6502]

Every player drafted by the Bulls imo aren't busts. They were just forced to play in a very weird spot. Lauri was able to emerge into the player he is now when he was traded away, he always had been a great scorer, just wasn't given enough touches to make plays for himself. WCJ is also a very consistent bigman, not that great but far from being a bust. Now Coby White and PWill are showing what they are capable of without too much ballhandler or guards in the lineup with LaVine being out. I'm so glad Coby is showing his true combo guard potential and PWill is showing more confidence in making plays of his own.

[@AfricanH3ro]

I remember when giving a player 3 to 4 years to develop before tacking them with the bust label was the norm 😔

[@TheProfessorFunk]

If he keeps up this pace with the Mavs then Dante Exum has to be on the list! From top 5 pick to out of the league with a lot of the same development issues as these guys, he's back to being a really solid roleplayer on both ends.

[@Yes-ml4bw]

White got better each season...his defense has become so solid that he is a two way player now.

[@SISKCERTWaJaVlogs]

Dont forget cam reddish who changed when he put on that purple and gold

[@treymatthews3353]

I mean other than defense, where I will admit he has improved, what has he really improved? He’s averaging his least ppg of his career while still being inefficient even for his standards. Just because he’s now an actual playable nba player this year doesn’t mean he’s not a bust anymore.

[@LouieOcean.]

How? He averages less points on worse efficiency than last year. 😂😭🤣

[@SISKCERTWaJaVlogs]

@@LouieOcean. but way better defense

[@robglobal1]

He hasn't changed since joining Lakers he's literally the same exact player

[@robglobal1]

​@SISKCERTWaJaVlogs his defense has been like this he was always a good to great defender what are you people talking about lol

[@cmcmcm7]

You should've included their stats or compared their stats from this season to previous seasons. I know there are intangibles that don't show on the stat sheet.

[@jadentesai]

Kuminga is showing yall why he was drafted so high

[@rafalmatuszewski7718]

I love you man

[@That1GuyUNo]

I feel like the whole magic squad can be in this video

[@sevinbamuels6560]

Coby White was never close to being a Bust. He’s always but up good numbers and legit plays both Guard positions at a high level. He’s also a good defender.

[@user-xx8tw6nb5t]

coby should be a all star for sure

[@Raffi03x]

Poole catching strays😅😂

[@LL-iy7bg]

Coming next: Dante Exum

[@larryfesh6185]

Was never a fan of Toppin bt he’s definitely improving

[@Jayden_Dailey]

cam reddish needs his respect

[@AvengingDrake78]

Dude I cried when I saw Obi got traded out of NY. He had the potential to be amazing and im so glad hes getting his shot in Indy

[@tstar1114]

Funny thing about this I made an expansion team on 2k and obi lavine and white all on my team 😂😂 showing out too

[@Outright_Mike]

I blame the teams for creating these situations. They overestimate the potential productivity of rookies. They build them up in the media to justify their pick. Which will set (unreasonable) expectations for these players (just because they picked them top 5). When that young player can't deliver the goods, he gets cooked in the media. Booed and mocked by the fans. Yet it was the team who picked them at that spot and set the expectation... Anthony Bennet (#1 pick of Cleveland 2013) and Darko Milicic (#2 pick of Detroit 2003 ) are the best examples of teams who whiffing on their picks and the player paying the price for that. Bennett and Milicic should have never been picked that high (or they shouldn't have had all those expectations put on them). They were not ready for that. It's like getting a promotion you are not qualified to handle. You will fail and get blamed for it. Only few players can come to the NBA preceded by huge expectations and deliver on them (Lebron James, David Robinson, Shaq to name a few)

[@m7atthew]

it's insane how many people write players off only a couple years into the league

[@carriequrrshi9812]

I been keeping my eye on Coby whites numbers since LaVine got hurt he has been dominant. 27 points last game vs Hornets led Bulls in scoring he’s 23 years old signed a contract for 36 million

[@zockey99]

coby white putting up 26-6-6 on 50%fg and shooting 5 3's a game on 50%. Those are steph curry number. Curry is averaging 29-5-4 on 47%fg and 5 3's a game on 42%.

[@iitchydog8770]

Lavine getting injured was the best thing to happen to cobys career. It only took 10 games for him to take over the team.

[@timadamson3378]

And then there's Patrick Williams. Deer in the headlights after four years of full time play.

[@gregmiller8216]

Obitop needs more minutes!

[@raveisalltherage]

Not the low blow to Jordan Poole 😂😂

[@TB_Bennett]

I always thought Coby White was good but not in a system that fits his style of play. I'm glad with Zach out he has a chance to show that.

[@vincehernandez09]

I never understood to johnson pick, when it happened i was just thinking (ok so they have 2 john collins)💀

[@iuhoosiers14]

There are so many roles that need met on every team that you won’t see very many busts

[@kyserrylee6909]

Uh how was coby white pressured to perform this year when he literally got a contract extension this offseason??

[@gerdanbombales]

Basically they are just edging

[@zacr7320]

Not seeing Cam Reddish on this list is crazy foreal lol

[@marcbasil]

Who

[@ddavisfitness5935]

Casually skipped over how Lonzo took a chunk of whites mins and touches lol

[@piteusx8440]

Coby signed a $30mn+ contract before the season. That's hardly a bust.

[@LonesomeTB]

I been believing in obi toppin and coby white since they was drafted I never changed on them when everybody did.

[@aidso819]

Also why the hell is all the Coby footage from previous seasons unlike others and from just one game kind of ass

[@andrewl6136]

4:50.. also obitoppin and tyrese haliburton are friends.. like good friends.. even their girls are good friends with one another.

[@MrTV-cs3mu]

SUGGS IS HALF DAWG AND HALF HIM!!!

[@stephencurry3841]

White playing all star level last 12 game's i hated when everyone said trade him last few years he needed more minutes

[@mvpree]

Big fan of the vids. Maybe switch up the background music tho

[@mr.kwamid-86_43]

beating da buss!

[@larryfesh6185]

Coby White is a DAWG

[@orangnoe]

Johnson is the starting Power Foward he’s not a wing buddy

[@jazzprince4447]

Knew the minute we traded Obi he would flourish

[@bigbangbasketball]

Wiggins beating the allegations for one year & then looking like a bust again needs to be studied

[@looktouch]

you spelled Coby wrong

[@musashihueston77]

Josh Giddey.. oh wait he said bust allegation

[@deshawnwilson4046]

Coby white basically mike Conley

[@vatocat4953]

alonzo trier hasn't been in the league for a while now. why not show current Coby White play.

[@unrulybxite]

Obi was never a bust, he was stuck behind Randle in the rotation and Thibs doesn't even play our good guys if they're young (see: IQ's minutes last night vs. Hart's) so Obi stood no chance.

[@liferealgood]

I agree that Obi was never a busy. He never really looked bad in NY. He just wasn’t gonna get minutes behind Randle. However, I think Thibs will play young players but they need to play defense. IQ didn’t get minutes his rookie year. Obi just doesn’t play good defense or defense at all. Also IQ had a knee injury which is why he missed the TOR game. I think that’s why his minutes were limited.

[@jimmyquick]

I already knew Obi Toppin was due for a breakout year. The Knicks were just letting him go to waste and not giving him any real playing time...I'm glad they set him free. They need to free Jericho Sims too!

[@wildanandika]

I think Obi Toppin problem is not offense but defense imo

[@roostercocksmith]

Coby has been playing a lot like Trae young and I'm ok with that. He still backs down from shots he should pull the trigger on but that confidence will come.

[@SirBeeBee]

We already know Ambatukam is a victim of the buss allegations 😔

[@nickeh8083]

Lauri Markkanen is the dude.

[@JTB_FM]

title isnt as good as the last bust video. I expected better mister Hoops Reference

[@stevelawton9849]

These kids just needed time to fill out their man bodies!!

[@juliusblackwell342]

If anybody watch Kobe white play in North Carolina you knew he wasn't going to be a bust in this being able to shoot and his his speed

[@Other_Robots]

Obi doing well proves thibs isnt that good of a coach. Dude plays favorites and has this weird ego despite never actually winning anything. An actual good coach would’ve found ways to get obi involved and improve the boring, outdated offense the Knicks generally roll with. Knicks will never take that next step with him as the coach

[@unrulybxite]

Actual factuals

[@jamiegaskins3687]

If you ever thought Coby White was a bust, do us all a favor and stop leaving comments on basketball videos. He’s been buried on the bench since he got drafted. He’s always looked promising and showed great potential, but his poverty organization constantly held him back. It’s hard to play well when you’re never getting consistent minutes.

[@icecubesbrother]

Now that the Pacers traded for Siakim, Toppin needs to get out of Indiana!

[@darylchit]

4 players who didn't bust

[@raheppe]

In the last 10 games, Obi has topped 20 points once, which surprised me because in that same span he has as many single digit scoring games as he does double digit, 5 each. That 20 point game is the rare game then. And he's not consistent. And a team expects more than the 3 points that he scored last game v. Magic from the FA 'scoring' stretch 4 that they paid in the offseason. Dude is a bust. Overpaid now.

[@yigyountry]

i wish players stayed in college longer, think it would be a better pro game. but the system is wack so i get it

[@1956rhowlin]

YOU CAN'T BE A BUST IF YOU DON'T PLAY,

[@bkelly625]

Toppin is a horrible defender and will be 26 this season plus he didn’t do much for the Knicks he’s still a bust in my opinion. The other three are going to be special for the next decade

[@robglobal1]

Obi has never been a bust and there are many very good to great players that aren't great on defense just look at Lebron Jokic and Luka none of then are great defenders and some might even say they are actually horrible defenders...seems you just don't like obi

[@bkelly625]

@@robglobal1 Luka is the only bad defender you named Jokic is underrated on D and LeBron was All-Defense in his prime he’s just old now. Obi isn’t a total bust of a player but for the Knicks he was because he was 8th pick and never was more than an 8th-9th man for them. Long term no way he continues starting for the Pacers this is temporary until they find someone better or Jarace Walker develops they need a defensive presence at the 4 and Obi is the opposite. He’s an okay player but was a bust of a pick for the Knicks while the other three look like future top 60 player material if not higher and Coby is probably already there and they are all still on the teams that drafted them

[@WLSHaitiBaby4L]

For 1 Coby White was never in his career labeled a Bust he also was a solid player y’all got this bust term all fucked up frfr lmao every season he shot elite from the 3 he averaged 16 his rookie year got hurt fell out of rotation and worked his ass off to get to where he’s at now where is he a bust at you got me fucked up bro frfr

[@laronnechance]

First

[@cozyreborn]

second

[@gamergonegaming6811]

Sorry but being a top 10 pick like obi and avg now 11 ppg is a BUST

[@mdvga]

YTNM

[@raheppe]

Why in the world is Obi on this list and what purpose does it serve to mislead people like this? He got paid but I guarantee the Pacers had hoped they were getting a much better and productive player. Not only was he a draft bust but he's one of the biggest busts of the last FA period. And before long this same dude will be making a video about how bad of a contract that is, hahaha.

[@raheppe]

Definitely the worst dunk champ to ever win.