4 WORST And 8 BEST Things About The 2023 Chevrolet Colorado ZR2

[@dwnshft]

Special thanks to our Patrons for their support of the channel! Colorado ZR2 or Tacoma TRD Pro?

[@joalyincontroly4379]

I ordered a ZR2 as soon as they let me. The only Tacoma that isn't relatively gutless is the new Hybrid Trail-Hunter and I don't want a hybrid, never will. I also don't care about Mpg even slightly. But that said, one of the channels I've been watching with the new ZR2 (or Canyon, I can't remember) said he got 30 mg on a highway trip. He was averaging 50 to 60 mph and didn't say he was trying to hyper-mile the drive. I was actually a bit skeptical, but I definitely saw a couple other guys on other channels getting around 28 on the highway in the Canyon with the same engine HO tune. I guess the ZR2 has the mud terrains so it might be harder to get mpg up in the high 20's but it's kinda weird that GM's mpg claims are so low when it seems really easy for guys to get at least up in the mid 20's on the highway.

[@gordmonteath6090]

Recnt KZbin video on ZR2 I saw was a long trip averaged just over 20 but said some segments of trip got just over 26mpg

[@75pontiac45]

Zr2…. Has a Blazer Zr2 years and years ago and loved it. Had the last gen Tacoma off road and loved it too. Nothing about the new Tacoma excites me especially when a fully loaded zr2 comes out to around the same $$ as an trd off road, not even the pro. Zr2 for the win

[@JiTengful]

Trd pro is going be 70k..lol..fuck that

[@kx8960]

As a loyal Toyota owner, I was HOPING that they would FINALLY add a front locker to the Tacoma, aaaaannnnd they FAILED. So, I'll be ordering a 2024 ZR2

[@RCian2000]

Already put 11k miles on my ZR2. By far the best all around midsize off-roader. And I’ve driven every truck.

[@RCian2000]

@@2011buddylee front and rear lockers, most versatile and adaptive multimatic dssv’s, segment first 10 camera system with washing capability, more suspension travel than the ‘24 Tacoma TRD pro, better sleeker smoother infotainment system, fully forged bottom end and rigorous diesel rated testing for the 2.7L without the complexity of an extra turbo or hybrid system, which only gets you slightly more power in the Tacoma. But again it’s not even out yet so. Currently it’s the best. But honestly sales numbers aside, the old TRD pro was worse than the 2nd gen ZR2.

[@RCian2000]

@@2011buddylee yes but for the Toyota fandom their defense was always reliability, which the current tundra iforce max is littered with problems so much so the owners complain about them a lot (I work at a Toyota dealership lol) but as far as the raptor goes, it like the zr2 have more suspension travel which is a HUGE attribute and advantage of a sporty off-road truck. Really, a requirement for the consideration of being a better off-roader. The raptor, like the other raptors, have been true to the prerunner/ desert runner ideology, that the Colorado was doing first in the midsize segment, but like the tundra, the bronco drivetrain has some critical issues right now. I’m worried about it but as far as the point you were making, in particular the TRD, it may be quicker, but faster? Debatable considering they’re trucks, and all trucks even the full sizes are speed limited, because driving trucks that fast is fucking retarded. 💀 it would probably serve Ford well if they spent some more money on racing competition to find problems and bullet proof it before release like the Colorado. The truck that won with a bent frame 😂

[@awpel2]

got mine 2 weeks ago , this truck is a beast ! traded my tacoma for it lol

[@dwnshft]

Nice! What do you think about the new taco with the hybrid?

[@docholliday7548]

@@dwnshft Ugly. Not sold on a hypbrid for this type of truck.

[@evokid379]

They finally built mine this week (truck has been on order since mid April) I do like the nitro yellow metallic but was worried I would get tired of it so I went with the glacier blue metallic. Super excited and so far most of the videos I’ve seen, the reviewers have been very positive

[@dwnshft]

enjoy! that blue looks great too!

[@raysanichar8098]

Mine is getting built next week, wonder how long till i get it?

[@jedioutcast888]

I got the blue. You won't be disappointed. I get so many compliments on the color.

[@joalyincontroly4379]

I ordered mine in sand dune metallic and it's officially built and just waiting to catch a train to me. I'm kinda wishing I got that nitro yellow now😍

[@dwnshft]

@@joalyincontroly4379 is the sand dune that light tan press color? If so that’s dope 🔥

[@kx8960]

I've seen people getting up to 20mpg with these, so, that's good enough for me. What I probably will do, is buy a set of cheap steel wheels (since they were REALLY smart and now they match the full-size wheel lug pattern), and run some more street oriented tires (Michelin LTX M/S - I run them on my RAV4 and love them) for daily driving (and they're better in the snow/ice), and put the knobbier ones on when playing in the dirt. I'm sure a LOT of the degraded fuel economy vs the Z71 with the same engine is from running these knobby tires. I also keep my tires at or close to max pressure even unloaded so that helps as well.

[@seanwhent9588]

The headlights are not multiple steps in the menu. The light icon on the screen takes you right there. And you never really have to use it with auto headlights. How often do you manually turn off headlights?

[@firefighterheat]

Awesome down to earth real world review, great job !!

[@dwnshft]

🙏

[@morningdrums]

With the money you pay, rear seats i feel should be able to fold all the way down to a table top. The storage under the rear seats, its just not enough storage. I think this is a beautiful truck. Im hoping mpgs end up going upwards

[@docholliday7548]

I've had my ZR2 (radiant red tintcoat) for 2 weeks now and it's everything I expected and more. I like the headlight controls on the screen. Whiner's gonna whine. Engine is fantastic. As for mpg, I'm showing 22-24mpg combined.

[@dwnshft]

Nice!

[@Deadset.zr2]

What speed do you do on the freeway?

[@scurjaldan5349]

Until the screen goes out.

[@kx8960]

@@scurjaldan5349 Yup....

[@jenmunrose3003]

I don't like how everything is in the screen, my '18 ZR2 has been a great truck with the exception of the touch screen. Right after warranty, it has become extremely glitchy...which is insanely common amung many different Chevy models with the same infotainment system. I've heard from owners of this new Gen, that they're already having issues with the updated screen. I paid $52,000 CAD for mine. When I built my current truck specs online onto the new model, it came out to $69,000 CAD. Beautiful truck, but I'll keep mine for now.

[@devinhawley2898]

The truck does not lower its air pressure, the driver does with the truck honking to let you know you have reached your set point.

[@dwnshft]

my blunder

[@cmorriscat31]

Hello, can you help me decide I want to buy the zr2 and I will not use it off-road at all. I will be using it highway miles. I definitely want this truck I love the looks would you say it would be a good every day use?

[@dwnshft]

yeah totally - the offroad suspension translates well to dealing with road bumps

[@cmorriscat31]

@@dwnshft thank you for your feedback

[@ian777fives5]

Get a trailboss man keep the looks and better mpg and still offroad capable a bit.

[@nonchalanto4117]

You mentioned the turbo lag, how bad is it for everyday driving? Can you pull out into traffic quickly or do you need be careful and allow for a second or two of lag?

[@dwnshft]

For normal driving it’s fine but for full performance it’s noticeable

[@DDay336]

I ordered one in December and the current estimated delivery is November! It could take even longer depending on this UAW strike.

[@kevinsimmons7182]

I had one on order January until June with no updates. Bought a Sierra Elevation 5.3 with GM discounts and special financing instead. Very happy with the decision

[@ironchung30]

Great looking badass truck! Only time will tell how reliable they are over time…like if they’ll last over 100K miles without issues. That’s where the Tacoma shines and why it’s been the king for decades.

[@marcthomas6280]

Unfortunately Tacos are under a TSB for transmission issues as early as 1000 miles. So the reliability market is wide open

[@austinjacob99]

You don’t need to click multiple times to get to the headlights. The light icon that is always shown on the screen takes you directly there.

[@davvila2244]

I dont get how people miss this,Simple!

[@peterpeterson7784]

I've watched so many videos that say the same thing about the headlight switch. Even the MotorTrend people got it wrong. I drive a 23 Colorado LT now for work and find that very seldom do I even think about the headlights, and if I did I would just tap that headlight icon.

[@Olpops73]

Have to for the fog lamps tho...unless im missing something. Butndo love the auto headlamps..

[@ChrisDIYerOklahoma]

I wish they'd offer an extended cab or standard cab with some real bed space. But, nope.

[@cecil5152]

When Chevy says the headlights controls in the center screen is not a problem, but buyers and potential buyers say it is a problem. Than it IS a problem. This is just another example of GM not listening to the customer and denying anything is wrong. Just like their OTA update problems that they’re denying is happening.

[@calivalley9056]

I doubt that four cylinder will last, test drove one today and was not impressed. The sound of that high revving engine was horrible and at that price this thing is a nightmare. Don’t get me wrong it looks good but I would rather get a Frontier or wait for the Tacoma refresh.

[@mikemissouri5152]

Motor comes with a 100k mile warranty. Better then Toyota

[@shaungintner1475]

I have the same motor in my Silverado, over 100K miles with zero issues

[@kx8960]

That motor is proven in their FULL-SIZED trucks. I'm more worried about that "infotainment" screen shitting the bed.

[@nancyrogers8377]

Love the Nitro Yellow! Nice color.

[@prawnstar9213]

Totally agree. The yellow Chevy put out looks awesome!

[@theplayernkc]

For almost $50k, you should get interior stitching color options. That yellow stitching is awful looking IMO.

[@dwnshft]

My wife thought so too 🤷‍♂️

[@Daywalker_27]

Yellow shouldn’t even be an option

[@chad5617]

Looks like a beautiful truck i look forward to buying in 5 years used for half the price.

[@13christbane]

good luck with that

[@chad5617]

@@13christbane Yea, probably more like 10 years.

[@michaelbury1941]

No. They went for the the 2.7 for turbo torque. Not emissions and economy

[@seasterl]

Turbo lag? Didn’t want to hear those words! Thanks for the honest review.

[@Searching4Reason]

Haven't been off-road yet, but day to day driving, I haven't felt any turbo lag.

[@johnsonquinn6455]

Wow, that's a lot of handprints on the screen. I'm not saying it's a disadvantage or an advantage, I'm just saying it's there. Sure, I'm a big fan of Chevy Colados. However, the car manufacturers are really into these screens these days, and I personally think they should have more physical buttons. If the designers of the cars are so fond of the digital format, maybe in the future we'll have to drive by touch with the steering wheel on the screen.

[@Antwan.Frazier]

This is a he best looking mid size truck

[@dwnshft]

wont argue here

[@docholliday7548]

And it's not even close!

[@madcratebuilder]

Great review. I've modded my 17ZR with most everything your get on the 3rd gen. Still may get a 24 when they come out.

[@dwnshft]

Nice!

[@DylanFriedlander]

Great video. Nobody watches truck &/ or car videos mind the racing sounds in the background. I’d pump that sound into my head if I could

[@dwnshft]

good! glad you liked it!

[@PG-lf3rr]

The tires dont deflate for you. You do it amd it honks when hit the mark. Or, since you're out there anyway...use a tire gauge

[@A.J.1656]

Hmm.. I had a first Gen Colorado and it was a complete dog. I went to the Nissan Frontier and have been happy driving them for a long time now. I just priced out the new Pro4X and it's right around the same pice. I'm really considering switching back over.

[@St.Irenaeus]

What went wrong with your Colorado? I wanted the new Colorado BAD but saved and went with a 2023 Fronty and I absolutely love it.

[@A.J.1656]

@@St.Irenaeus My Colorado was an automatic with the inline 5 cylinder. In the mountains, it would constantly downshift and rev to the moon climbing uphill. It would also make some weird grinding noise when descending that I never figured out. I kept it less than a year and traded it in. I ended up getting a 2000 Frontier and later my 2009 Frontier.

[@St.Irenaeus]

@@A.J.1656 wow very interesting. My heart has always been with Chevy but I’m seriously so happy with my 3rd gen Frontier. I think it’s equally as good looking as the new Colorado and I’m honestly happy I have a solid and reliable naturally aspirated V6. The performance has been great and gas mileage not too shabby. They are such solid trucks and I’ve been impressed. I live in colorado and it’s performed amazing through bad weather up I70. I’m so excited to take it to the mountains and hit some trails.

[@A.J.1656]

@@St.Irenaeus That will be fun. My buddy has a 3rd Gen Frontier and we just took our trucks on a camping/off-roading trip here in Idaho.

[@13christbane]

you cant even begin to compare this to a first gen colorado.

[@Mjr1348]

I was leaning toward this truck but really seeing stuff I don’t like to hear about GM quality.

[@jeffm7669]

I love my automatic headlights and I never use the trip meter so no big deal

[@St.Irenaeus]

Great truck man. Congratulations. I wanted one bad but didn’t want to spend the money so I went with a brand new 2023 Frontier and saved about $18k. Been very very happy with this truck! My heart will always love Chevy though! Maybe one day I’ll get a ZR2 used until then I’m satisfied with my new Fronty. Badass Colorado man!

[@thecount1001]

love Frontiers, excellent truck. the ZR2 is a specialty vehicle with next level off road abilities that 95% of their buyers will never use. the off road packages are getting extreme. cool sure, but a bit crazy.

[@frick-n-frack4191]

I just purchased my 2024 ZR2 (Glacier Blue). Your 4 negatives... I agree 100 and they still did not fix them but MEH. No big deal. I will add 2.. No fricken garage door opener and manual rear window still. I traded my 2018 ZR2 (best truck I ever owned). I LOVE the 2024. Chevy stepped it up in so many ways. My complaints are moot. It is a great truck.

[@Tony-hf9mv]

Are the ZR2 and AT4X seats the same firmness? Haven't drove a ZR2 yet but the AT4X has very firm seats that don't look long haul comfortable

[@dwnshft]

They are very similar and yeah a touch stiff but decent adjustability and I didn’t have any issues at about 2 hours at a time

[@docholliday7548]

I've heard that too, but I love my ZR2 seats and I don't give them a second thought.

[@848evo4]

I think the interior "camo" look pieces are meant to be forged carbon fiber look pieces

[@lsx_moe]

New upper/mid spec TRD Offroad Tacoma is 53k. I was highly interested in one until then, it’s overpriced by $6k. I decided on the zr2 as a nearly fully loaded one is $51k. Much more bang for the buck compared to the Tacoma unfortunately

[@mr.redneck2715]

What happened to the four-cylinder diesel they were making?

[@St.Irenaeus]

They scrapped diesel entirely bro

[@mr.redneck2715]

You can buy the strait six in the Silverado, about the same price as the 5.3 but you get a complete drive train hundred thousand mile warranty.

[@gordmonteath6090]

2.7 turbo gets the 100k warrenty in 2024

[@williamjohnson5440]

the headlights are a big deal when you have a touch screen issue and just to get your headlight controls back you have to pay to not only replace the expensive component, but the significant amount of labor that it would require as well. And a manual rear window on a $52,000 truck? Nothing says chevrolet like being a decade behind.

[@Searching4Reason]

Just completed a 400+ mile round trip and averaged 21.2mpg.

[@dwnshft]

Beast 😎💪

[@Gooftroop45]

~1,300 payload??? Is that correct for the ZR2?

[@driftingfb]

Needs a drivers side grab handle on the A pillar. Steering wheel paddle shifters would have been nice.

[@Inferno45]

The shifter has a manual mode up and down. Paddle shifters are nice if your transmission starts failing but they are annoying when driving in auto mode. I accidentally activate them all the time in my 2015 Grand Cherokee

[@markely7587]

My current truck has drivers side grab handle and I love it. As I have been looking at new trucks almost none of them offer that. It’s a miss in my book. Such an inexpensive yet useful tool on a truck/suv what is higher then the average vehicle.

[@curtshelp6170]

If GM infotainment systems were infallible I would agree that the trip meter and headlight controls being in the screen isn't a big deal but My 2019 Colorados infotainment system has been the worst part of my 140 k miles. Andre at TFL has demonstrated with his Colorado trail boss that they've been unable to solve those issues at GM. That mileage is a joke and can be beaten (if barely) by a 5.3 liter Silverado trail boss and destroyed by the 3.0 duramax for less than 5K more, only the width of the Silverado can get in the way on some narrow trails..

[@toddresek680]

Great review!

[@JetTech1992]

Small rear seats is not a trade off for a bed that can’t fit 8’ 2x4’s

[@13christbane]

you do not want an offroad truck with a bed that big. why are you comparing apples to oranges?

[@christophercabintoy7790]

Hopefully this'll be available in the Philippines

[@Inferno45]

These are gonna be nice on used market

[@dwnshft]

thats for sure

[@TheTriumphbsa]

Good video man, subbed on it. Heres my 2 cents of some Real World: this is not your work truck. This is your dream DAD truck. mineminemine! The fam takes moms loser suv. This is MY escape; so at least just option out the back 2 stupid family sedan doors for me and offer a king cab again for my one true friend, Mr. Fluffy Paws.

[@ferretsmiles]

The trip being in the main screen is a non-issue. Most people dont mess with the trip computer so it is very much just a car reviewer issue.

[@allexxmaxx]

Color can be simply called: Mustard 😂… or more sophisticated “Mustard a la Dijon’s”

[@dwnshft]

Amber poupon

[@-suphur]

I tried to build one out online and found that just trying to add some simple components, you would have to opt for packages that cost thousands of dollars. A couple of examples were rims, I went to upgrade them and it leads to a $15000 package and only available that way. What? A $600 pushbar that only comes in a $1500 package. Pass.

[@kennedystuart5685]

Does it take premium fuel.

[@tyh6243]

It'll take it, but doesn't require it.

[@gordmonteath6090]

Engineer who designed the engine said designed for 87 octain and wasting money going higher

[@prawnstar9213]

Wish they had a diesel option

[@Caliber-y6g]

okay I see u with the STS9

[@dwnshft]

@@Caliber-y6g 😏🕺

[@B86432]

Paying an extra 2000$-3000$ every 2-3 years for navigation has to be the worst by far ......

[@13christbane]

you pay for navigation? you just have to hook up your phone and use google maps.

[@docholliday6285]

Ppl love the engine performance of the ZR2, lift & 33" tires and fuss over mpg? If mgp is your concern, get a regular colorado. As for hybrid, no thank you.

[@docholliday6285]

Turbo lag is virtually nonexistent

[@robertbarnes5242]

why do you keep saying max attack package? There is no trim or package that has that? that's really confusing terminology.

[@dadandsonvideogaming1698]

The back seat is for looks, and putting a back paxk. This is essentially a sports car when it comes to space.

[@migueldelacruz9989]

is a off road car not a limosine. there are tahoes or suburbans for that brother.

[@smittysmitty481]

Way cheaper then a Ranger Raptor boys!

[@dwnshft]

mmmhhhhmmmmmm

[@freedomisntfree_44]

Rather have the raptor if I’m spending this much. Plus gm has horrific reliability and multiple of these trucks have bent frames.

[@Deadset.zr2]

​@@freedomisntfree_44you don't know what you're talking about

[@freedomisntfree_44]

@@Deadset.zr2 Colorado bent frame, type that in your search bar. Been A BUNCH of these pos bend. Gm halftons are garbage too.

[@michaels7984]

​@@freedomisntfree_44ford isn't any better on reliability. Only vehicle I had to go through the lemon law process with was an f150 and Ford has constant recalls. I like the new ranger raptor, but the interior does look a little cheaper and there are no air vents in the rear seat. Msrp isn't that bad on it, but the mark ups will be bad.

[@503rdtiger]

great truck, awful sunglasses

[@lettuce235]

There a red circle in the screen that is always there no need to go into the screen

[@deeejayeee]

Yes a deal breaker is mileage of 16 versus 6 cylinder getting 18 city 22 hwy

[@aw11man26]

this truck makes WAY more power than the old Toyota 4.0, probably heavier, and big tires. All this eats gas

[@keenanschouten2582]

One power seat for 50k? Uncomfortable rear seats? Sucks

[@jimscarnivorekitchen4731]

53 grand, no thanks

[@ojdajuiceman6139]

Broke Boy😂😂😂

[@sammyjammy6647]

@@ojdajuiceman6139 more like smart boy if he can’t pay cash for it and then put himself unnecessarily into a big debt.

[@jimscarnivorekitchen4731]

@@ojdajuiceman6139 financially smart is more like it.

[@TodoNFamilia]

I think the price is little pricey BUT if you are lookin something like this trucks are more expensive 🤔 what you think

[@RCian2000]

You’re too broke for off-roading then. Go buy a used truck

[@Zenaur]

oof - that MPG is going to be rough... im borderline scared to even hear what the Bison gets.

[@mikeboncheck5555]

fuel economy destroys my decision! GM

[@docholliday7548]

I'm averaging 22-24mpg combined. Enjoy drinking your latte in a Prius!

[@vincesalazar7152]

Ha, you can get a full size with more power, more space and better gas mileage. These GM suits are dumb.

[@bwiz6514]

Fuel economy straight up unacceptable. I would have gotten it a month ago otherwise.

[@CowboysFanJosh]

This truck is a hard pass for me.

[@turbosupra2jzdragracingtob249]

Turbos…. What will sell but never last….so we can sell them another one sooner.

[@13christbane]

where do you get this BS info?

[@turbosupra2jzdragracingtob249]

@@13christbane You even thinking for a minute that this truck is reliable makes me laugh.

[@Strutingeagle]

Turbo charged engines don't get good fuel economy and you have to buy the expensive stuff. Thanks again government.

[@georgebossie7426]

The biggest problem i hear is that most people say this truck only lasts about 100k miles. Who has some more thoughts on this? I think this looks way cooler and has better specs than the Tacoma, but it last 3-4x less

[@Travisj9935]

It's going to be a unreliable pos. Its already proving so on other YT channels. That engine won't be as impressive as the new Ranger with the 2.7. Ford eb 2.7 is under rated. It makes said power at the wheels. It's gonna be a rocket & still get mid 20's on mpgs

[@RobertJohnson-gy9ky]

That's not the fully loaded model 🤦‍♂️ ZR2 DESERT BOSS is the fully loaded model until the Bison Edition comes out. The current fully loaded model (the desert boss) is $65,000.

[@eduardomendoza2015]

If you can afford it get a used honda or something else

[@Jamesthor]

So I went to a Chevy dealership, knowing that the headlight control was on the main screen, and there was no knob for it. I was in front of the ZR2 and I asked the sales guy to turn the headlights on. 😂. I wanted to see how long it would take him to figure it out. Well, he looked around for it for about two minutes. He then left and grabbed another sales person. They both fiddle with it for a couple minutes, then they both fetched a technician.. I didn’t say anything during the entire time. The technician came got into the main screen and turned the headlights on. The two salesman said “why on earth did they do that? “ They both looked at me and I said, “ do I need to say anything?” AND whom on Gods earth would put the lane recognition on those switches under the main screen? There are three free spaces right next to the adaptive cruise control button. Who designed this? The lowest bidder?

[@hedgehogpie2003]

No manual trans!

[@rvh77]

No one with any sense wants to buy a used turbo 4 cylinder. Can't imagine longevity being that great.

[@COMMANDandConquer199]

Might be a decent truck if they didn't force that shitty little turbo 4 on us.

[@mikestowe6136]

i love my white zr2 3 things that suck everythings threw the screen me im old like a dumb ass looked for ever for head light switch lol 2 the wiper switch is just sorry fckn stupid roll your thumb on the front n try n grab the nipple behind it with your finger to rotate it 3 these rock rail with assist steps are a rip off they give ya 2 steps for the front thats 500 bucks n oh ya fck giving ya the oones for the back that a be another 500 if ya want your passengers to get in love the truck but dont like getting bent over for shit that should be included

[@gordmonteath6090]

Any Colorado or Canyon side steps from lower models ie Z71 Canyon AT4 fit ZR2 Just take rock rails off and replace. Several KZbin videos showing how to replace, even aftermarket sidestep 300 -$500 bucks

[@13christbane]

you have friends that cant get in without a step? ffs my 10 year old grandkid hops right in

[@mikestowe6136]

@@13christbane YA ITS CALLED DIASABLED WIFE N DISABLED DOGS SORRY WERE NOT ALL SPECIAL N PERFECT LIKE YOUR FAMILY PLUS IT LOOKS STUPID WITH JUST FRONT STEP YOUD THINK FOR 54 GRAND FOR A UPDATED S10 IT BE INCLUDED

[@sinepari9160]

We did a bumpy dirt trail. . Jeep laughs 🤣

[@OnlyKnightmares]

Looks like a tacoma.

[@dwnshft]

lil bit - im very interested in trying the new Taco

[@docholliday7548]

Don't flatter yourself. It looks NOTHING like a taco lol

[@heavylifter315]

Same capabilities as last gen just more expensive. What a joke.

[@mikeboncheck5555]

THE zR2 WILL BE 1OOk after the sTRIKE.....gm DROT ballon this truk

[@13christbane]

you should take your meds

[@atg1338]

If the backs to small get a Silverado. People that complain about the backseat space is a joke. IT'S A MID SIZE !!!!