Kallistos Ware - Salvation in Christ Part 1

[@angeloarmanios1557]

Such an eloquent man! The wisest of the holiest and the holiest of the wisest!

[@thattimestampguy]

3:50 Wanting to get my money’s worth 💰 at the Cafeteria 11:07 1st Model: Christ as Teacher 12:25 1. The Change is In Us, Not God 2. No, There is No Separation between Jesus and The Father 3. No, The Cross is not Isolated, Christ’s Teaching Role Embraces His Whole Life 4. (Difficulties arise) Has he actually changed our objective situation? We do not merely need to be instructed, but Saved From Sin. Model #1 Embraces part of the Truth, but leaves out the tragedy and Aguish of Sin. 17:22 1. No problem, change is in us, not God 2. No problem, so long as we do not think of Christ as paying the ransom to The Father. 3. Concentrates mainly on The Cross, but it need not do so exclusively. It is the whole life of Christ • Incarnation, Cross, Resurrection 4. Major Strength: Christ has objectively altered our situation. 22:15 Sacrifice A. Sacrifice is an offering, gift made to God B. True Sacrifice C. D.

[@stpaulphillip]

Excellent

[@ayw5118]

Excellent stuff

[@winterrose4411]

what kind of accent does he have?

[@tanner955]

Met. Ware is from England, so he has a British/English accent. Though he was educated in a time when there was an emphasis on acquiring proper RP (received pronunciation, the kind you hear in old BBC productions). Plus, lecturers learn how to project clearly, to be understood by everyone in the audience. Elocution techniques, mainly.

[@hilarylazard7554]

Good English

[@johnalexis8284]

At the 9:15 mark, you sir completely twist the meaning of Billy Graham's comment.

[@shiningdiamond5046]

He didn't Billy is a heretic who thinks God hates himself or uses his will against himself

[@berkansevindik7965]

I find his condescending tone mildly irritating.

[@MrJMB122]

How he sounds like father Christmas.

[@blessedamerican3541]

@@GS-cj7rf What a perfect reply.

[@bradspitt3896]

@@GS-cj7rf I agree people can be Cynical and shouldn't be, but he is pretty condescending. I don't think it's a bad thing though. I think it's just a phenomenalogical zeitgeist that gets irritated when someone speaks with authority. The zeitgeist demands everyone withhold judgement and never speak with authority.

[@mavisemberson8737]

Americans complain all the time about English accents, why? The language is English it is American accents which differ from the English accent . You are the ones who differ. Nice as your accents are.

[@berkansevindik7965]

@@mavisemberson8737 Its not his accent. Its his tone that is condescending. British English sounds the best. cheers

[@kieran296]

Spoken with such Elegance, marvellous video.

[@MrJMB122]

I only imagine how he was to be in his classes before he retired.

[@chrisvanallsburg]

His enunciation is catching!

[@sofiapotamianos6971]

I miss his sermons and lectures

[@viktoriaregis6645]

I saw such a beautiful short video about the Orthodox view of salvation. I am sorry, I will look like a fool now, but is this the same Priest? I don't know much about Orthodox Christianity, I am Swedish and born, or baptized into the Protestant Church that is the "Swedish Church" Orthodoxy us very unusual in Sweden. But I find it very interesting and appealing as I get to know more about it. But this simple video with the Priest and the chairs it went straight to my heart and mad me cry out of the emotions that it made me feel.

[@SarahFolmer]

Hi Viktoria! It is quite possible that it was the same priest. This priest is a professor at Oxford University, so he has a lot of talks and lectures online. Have you looked more into orthodoxy since you posted this comment? I study protestant theology, but I specialize in Eastern Orthodoxy, so I sympathize with the emotion you're describing--I've had the same experience. You may want to check out Fr Stephen Freeman and Fr John Behr if you want to learn more about Orthodox Christianity; both are amazing priests and have very beautiful talks on the faith. God bless you! 🙏

[@inquire-1294]

@@SarahFolmer Hej Viktoria! Kolla in Artos och Norma bokförlag, där kan man köpa Kallistos Wares bok Den Ortodoxa Kyrkan, med svensk översättning. Jag befinner mig också på pilgrimsfärden och jag upplever dragningen till den Ortodoxa kyrkan. Må Herren vägleda oss!

[@McIntyreBible]

Brother, you know how I would have answered that man (0:27)? I would have said something which would have left him bemused, something which he probably never thought about before! I’d say, “what do you mean when you say ‘save’? according to Historic Orthodox Christianity there are three aspects to the Great Salvation: Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification”

[@McIntyreBible]

@Bot are you Blammit? hey brother, just shut your damn mouth; you're getting tiresome!

[@dimitrishartas6217]

Κάποιος να μου μεταφράσει παρακαλώ; Διότι δεν καταλαβαίνω τίποτα από όσα λέει ο Σεβασμιότατος

[@tumak1]

Are people that died before Christ's human birth saved? Many have asked me that.

[@ExVeritateLibertas]

In the Orthodox Church we believe in the Harrowing of Hell - that when Christ died, he descended into hell and liberated the righteous held captive there. Everyone who had died before the crucifixion had the opportunity to accept Him. By dying Himself and breaking down the gates of hell (since hell cannot contain God) the Lord destroyed the power of sin and the devil to enslave mankind. Anyone in hell now is there by their own choice - they chose sin and death instead of the truth and life, which God offers.

[@mentalfood88]

It looks like he's reading the sermon.

[@EzioAuditoreDaFirenze99]

Well yes, but he likely wrote it.

[@luigipkxh]

What is the meaning of "Propitiation"and who is propitiated? It is true that we have to be reconciled to God. But "it is not either-or, but both-and". God needs to be reconciled to us also. The doctrine of satisfaction is not the whole picture, sure, but if you reject it in toto you'll have a defected view of the atonement.

[@benjammin6228]

I'm confused. Isn't the notion God has to be reconciled to us where penal substitution comes from? Penal substitution isn't Orthodoxy.

[@blessedamerican3541]

GOD most certainly does not need to be reconciled to us. To make such an assumption assumes GOD has sin which nothing could be further from the truth. We are the sinners in which repentance is necessary through the death and resurrection of Jesus. After our asking for forgiveness of our sins, and living a righteous life, we may find favor with GOD if we truly are living right. GOD favors those who serve HIM.

[@d0g_0f_Christ0s]

With utmost respect; if Christ did not get cut off from fellowship with His Father, why did He (Jesus) ask for the cup to be taken/pass from Him (Matt 26:39, Mk 14:36, Lk 22:42)? God is good, God is just, God is holy, He does not change. It does not make God bad because it 'pleased the LORD to bruise/crush Him' (Isa 53:10) in fact it shows the extent of His steadfast love toward us 'in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.' (Rom 5:8). Like I said, with utmost respect I ask. I'm a Protestant earnestly seeking foundation, I can not abide by Papacy rule so that leaves only Orthodoxy. I have a wicked heart (Jer 17:9) I can't trust what I feel. God's wrath against sin is absolutely appropriate and when people like me spit on His grace, isn't it God's mercy through Christ alone that saves me? I don't consider myself a Reformationist, so I am open to being reprogrammed (so to speak) if it's backed by scripture (and I mean all of it, Orthodox canon)

[@mavisemberson8737]

He is fully human and he asked as a man to show us how to trust in God even when we feel deserted.

[@adriankeoni]

The Lord Jesus asked for the cup to be taken from Him because as a human being He had a natural desire to live. This was written down in the Gospels to show that Jesus is both fully human and fully divine. It is impossible for Christ to be cut off from fellowship with the Father, because they are one (John 10:30) and that the Father was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself (2 Cor. 5:19).

[@blanko5953]

Brother. Penal Substitutionary Atonement is the most Biblical theory of atonement. You've got it correct.

[@blanko5953]

Than what was the 'cup' Jesus consumed on the cross? What was inflicting this 'cup'? Surely His sufferings consisted more than just an earthly crucifixion. Penal Substitutionary Atonement is the most Biblical atonement theory, from which other aspects of atonement flow forth.

[@45calebt]

In my experience, many Orthodox apologists will defend substitionary atonement, but usually along the lines that the penalty is death, not some particular quantity of suffering which is transferred from the believer to Christ on the Cross. e.g. kabane52.tumblr.com/post/143965489595/orthodoxy-and-penal-substitution

[@matty31272]

Which is why no one thought of it for the first 1200 years of Christianity. No one thought God the Father poured out his wrath on God the Son until Archbishop of Canterbury Anselm someone between 1093 and 1109. Anselm and Calvin both speculated misleading votes of the Atonement which do not reflect the true character of God.