460 BBF STROKER TEST! TUNNEL RAM 557 (DUAL QUADS)

[@marcstlaurent3719]

This BBC guy is jealous of the factory 385 series Ford block , two nice engine builds 👍

[@TexasSpeedManiac]

Man...I wish had a job like this, testing motors all day, listening to that sweet symphony of all those motors. Love this channel🤘😎

[@richardholdener1727]

Thank you very much!

[@shadjohnsen8143]

@@richardholdener1727, someone suggested the Torker 2 intake on an SR-71 headed 557. Isn't this old technology, or is it a good intake? I cant find anything on it anywhere. Can you compare it against other intakes like the Victor and Air-Gap?

[@johnparrish9215]

I wish you had gone for the Torque Monster version in the middle of the series. The 600hp mods + 557 cubes + and RPM Air Gap intake. That might have been the ultimate Ford Mud Truck engine. Great Job.

[@richardholdener1727]

I have other 557 combos

[@johnparrish9215]

@@richardholdener1727 Do any of them have Boost????

[@Lagrange1186]

Please share more of the 557 combos!!!!

[@unclesquirrel6951]

The sound effects definitely spot on lol

[@deanstevenson6527]

John Woodworth : Word!

[@darwinfridgeseals741]

Can I upload my own sound effects

[@richardholdener1727]

i'm taking nite classes on sound bites-I'm not doing well in class

[@unclesquirrel6951]

Richard Holdener the sounds effects are spot on for imports mr 😎

[@ts302]

@@richardholdener1727 does not sound like a 557 BBF! Maybe a little deeper from the gut LOL

[@xozindustries7451]

Killer motor, it’s amazing the potential, I would have liked to see an intermediate step with the 557 bottom end with the Ported heads and cam from the first video

[@meteor5452]

That would have required pistons. A460 heads require a specific piston due to the valve angles.

[@donellmuniz590]

@@meteor5452 I think he meant the ported factory iron heads, not the A460s.

[@jeremymurphy7320]

I'm more of a fan of a screaming SBF but I do love me a big thumper like this BBF. Great video, sir.

[@deanstevenson6527]

Jeremy Murphy : me too. Fords best engine was the 460 IMHO.

[@TripAMD]

@@dj4monie. Ever heard of the 351 Windsor?

[@danmyers9372]

Chris Tuttle - 351 Windsor was a truck engine that Ford stuck us (US) with when they stopped the Cleveland. While companies have developed parts that make the Windsor work, the 351 Cleveland was a VASTLY superior engine. Just look at what the Aussies have done with the Cleveland. They have 351 Cleveland based engines making over 900 HP NA on pump gas!

[@robinesavage404]

@@danmyers9372 the 351w was introduced before the 351c...

[@tturi2]

big screaming 460 would be cooler

[@ElvinLeadfoot]

Quench not pistons zero decked but .005 out of the deck protrusion. Then area rule the combustion chamber. Or use the groove method of Ben Alameda:) The groove in the combustion chamber makes sure the fuel air charge in the quench pad section is ignited. Making sure the entire charge is ignited. There’s still some in the ring land section that’s wasted, but check out the Ben Alameda V-Groove technique I’ll send the link

[@timoneal9654]

As they say, it doesn't matter what is written on the valve covers. Great build. Now I need to scrounge up another dominator because Richard says every big block needs a tunnel ram and every tunnel ram needs a pair of dominators ;-)

[@richardholdener1727]

the best things come in pairs!

[@Parents_of_Twins]

By the way love the videos. Love seeing all the different combos. Too many channels focus on GMC and nothing against them but it is nice to see someone making awesome power from something other than just LS LS LS. Kind of like ice cream vanilla is great but everyone once in a while you need to throw in some seven layer bar Ben and Jerry's just to remember life is full of possibilities.

[@timclaus8313]

Then there are the 'equal' comparisons where the Ford has a flat tappet cam, the Chevy has a roller cam with even more lift and a bigger carb, lol...

[@blown572hemi]

Hey Richard, You are a part of my morning routine (since this virus garbage started) and while I know that every engine is more or less the same, I’d love seeing the small block magnum and 440 tests especially with boost. No one is doing what you are doing on KZbin and most certainly not anything mopar. Have a great day and keep em coming!

[@richardholdener1727]

440 IS COMING UP

[@bobcuomo5122]

Great video .....like to see more cam in this combo.

[@richardholdener1727]

it could use more

[@donellmuniz590]

@@richardholdener1727 Man, you guys live in a different universe than I do, when .800 lift and 274@050 ain't big enough! Wow!

[@DBSSTEELER]

That would be cool in a Galaxy or Torino.

[@Hensen1954]

Good evening, Richard, all the way from West Wales, UK. I like your videos, with the accurate info and dyno results. The Ford 400M was so enlightening, because I had a 400M ( ex Lincoln ) in my 71 Mustang, which we used to do a 6 day blast through Europe, going south to Nice, Monaco, ( for the vintage Grand Prix ) and then onto the Normandy Beaches, including Juno. That is one tough engine. It was an organised run with many prizes, we got the cup for the most petrol ( gas ) used. about $1800 in 6 days !! PS, Have you ever heard of the Schlumph collection ?? We visited there for a day. Amazing.

[@gordocarbo]

Had an 85 Fox late 80s with the 460/C6 combo. Biggest problem was keeping it cool and header gaskets..forget it. Quick car though. Had to sell it due to "test only' ca smog.

[@Redline_ratchets]

Really love you're videos man keep up the great work

[@royhickok3213]

Nice job on the big block Ford I am a big block Ford guy myself and done a lot of testing also talked to all the big block Ford Guru guys and they all say the tunnel Ram is worth 30 to 60 horsepower depending on camshaft so you are pretty much in the range

[@GJ-DT]

The chevy header design on a ford head is brilliant, makes it easier to install bbf in a gm car.

[@steveelco114]

Most ford guys in boats run BBC headers with an adapter already . I wonder if this is why they do this ? Still cool to see .

[@GJ-DT]

@@steveelco114 far better selection of bbc headers especially for bigger inch motors

[@danmyers9372]

I like your thinking...

[@josephnubile1970]

Not a Ford guy, but I am totally Impressed. Keep up the great videos and the engine noises are kool.

[@richardholdener1727]

Thanks 👍

[@tomwhite9034]

That is really cool plus I learned something new which I did not know so thank you R.H.

[@kennethperian4370]

Test was good thanks for showing telling, maybe I’ll make my 460 around in the 600hp be good for me. Well see ya next time see ya bye bye.

[@elainestamper3873]

Chevy headers stopped you from going over 900 with single 4v ! Great video! No more engine sounds from you please!

[@richardholdener1727]

waaaaaaa!

[@daleostrom3613]

Good job Richard, lots of power. It would be cool to see some head comparison, sr71, C, Boss 9, AFR. And bigger cam.

[@richardholdener1727]

I think they all require different valve reliefs

[@Rome3aaro]

@@richardholdener1727 true.. it would be a lot of work

[@MrBlackbutang]

Hats off to you! Like to see a 118 lca same lift and duration. Love my 460 and 455 Buick’s

[@LetGaiaLive]

That was awesome! Whaaaaaaaaa…!!!

[@maritimer95gt]

Please continue to make more BBF videos!!!

[@sorshiaemms5959]

ABOUT TIME SOME BBF STUFF GOOD BUILD

[@cjbert6790]

I believe the 385 series engine would have been a legend if Ford would have dumped the FE about 1962 and brought the 385 engine back then!

[@Cuttyman9]

i like seeing the stroker 385 series as i will be doing the same for my wifes truck 4x4 f250, but probably more budget/less flow on the top end so it makes a big torque number at a low rpm

[@gregeggering7321]

Never understand why these comparisons utilize smaller cam than the BBC counter part

[@robthegobbler]

You can ask him in one of his livestreams he does often

[@gregbetts8057]

what we need to know how to increase the power for low rpm RV motor

[@zAvAvAz]

Hey richard! Salutation. Well i am was thinking of how to do a mild performance tune for a 460 ford and make 500 torque and 550 hp. How would i am accomplish that for a 2nd gen camaro that is my momma's. Never mind Thanks Holdener! i am just watched the video! hahahahahhah Well i am keeping the cubic inch though at 460 ish cubes, maybe a large overbore. LOL very fun video! Thanks. P.S. Also looking at the 400M.

[@justins4d]

Might be a cool test to see how the Kaase boss heads would perform. But, that's a big chunk of change "just to see". Another cool test would be that mild 460 you built plus boost via turbo and see how high you can get the hp numbers with such a low buck mild combo.

[@chrishicks4646]

I think that you could have gotten the 900 H.P.'s with a Hotter ignition , a multi spark Amplifier, maybe different spark plugs

[@richardholdener1727]

it already had a hot ignition and amplifier

[@terrycarter8929]

I wish I still had my 429. I am considering a 460 in a 4x4 F250 or F350. I would want a hydraulic roller though. Have you done a large cubic inch 460 with good heads and a hydraulic roller? This one is a monster but too much for me. Lol.

[@ericu9431]

Would love more bbf content! Twin gt45's!!!!

[@mattiasjansson4102]

Awesome , now where is the Turbo ?

[@gmh2533]

Awesome content, would be great to see some small inch motors like a Buick 215ci and Henry's side valve v8.

[@nova467spanker]

Would be interesting if you posted the over lay for this Ford 557 vs the Chevy 565 to see how the 2 differ. Ford has smaller bore but longer stroke 4.40x4.50 vs Chevy 4.60x4.25 Seems like they both peeked hp around the same rpm - same as the torque.

[@domenicaldi3957]

Cool deal testing is key how much timing ect would be great to no

[@gregoryjowers3629]

Awesome I didn’t think 460 would hold up as in breaking the block

[@danmyers9372]

Stock 2 bolt 460 blocks have been proven up to 1000 HP NA by racers for years.

[@donellmuniz590]

Hey, Rich, I know ya like the big numbers, but I wonder if you could revisit this 557 as a low-end torque motor for a 4x4, tow truck, motorhome, Lincoln Mk V, etc. I'd like to see an iron headed 557 make about 700 lb ft, at around 2500 rpm!

[@dieseldan2794]

what type of fuel was this ran on?? race fuel, alky, or ??

[@michaelsparacino2432]

What was the compression with the flat tops?

[@tomgwhiz]

I would love to see this much torque on a daily driver with hydraulic lifters. Can that be done?

[@markbulva4188]

A bigger BBF w Kaase sr-71 heads!!!

[@brandonwinter2094]

Time to throw a pair of turbos on it and see what it will make!

[@racinford1]

What point do you think the stock block will go safely drag racing before it comes apart?

[@samg196942]

You should do a big block ford head shootout with this engine

[@beardwrench]

Big bang chevy 350 vortec?

[@joncloud2114]

Very surprised the TR only added 40 hp vs the single 1,050. It would be interesting to know the vac that was being pulled with both of them ? Did the CNC'd A-460's come straight from Trick-Flow ? I have a 950 hp @ 7,200 565" BBF A-460 headed ( single 1,050). Someday I'll get it back to Westech and run it with both the old style ( tall TR) and the new style to see what it does. I'd be hoping for more than a 40 hp gain.

[@danmyers9372]

I had the same thoughts. No way the extra cost of the manifold, carbs, linkage, fuel lines and timing would be worth 30-40 HP. That single plane must be working really well. Vac below the carb would tell all.

[@toottoothomes4587]

The compression you’re running? Was it pump gas or a mix?

[@reevinriggin3570]

What kind of valve train did you run? Stud girdle? What roller rockers/ratio??????? Pushrod info/ interference issues or anything like that? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks!

[@richardholdener1727]

This had Comp roller rockers-no girdle-but a good idea-shaft even better

[@reevinriggin3570]

@@richardholdener1727 thank you!!

[@danklui1433]

Would you be doing a horsepower receipe series on hemis in the future?

[@jaxonwilson2183]

Hi Richard. I have a 1975 F250 Highboy and it has a pretty mild 460 right now and I like to have a little more power. I already have a block bored to 4.40 and am looking for a good rotating assembly to handle at least 850 horsepower. I’ve been looking at Eagle and Scat but nothing can handle the build I plan on doing. Do you have any suggestions on what rotating assembly I should go with. P.S. My plan is tunnel ram, twin 1050s, massive lift roller cam, and AFR heads.

[@danielwilson6665]

Jaxon, the most common rotating assemblies from Scat, Molnar, Eagle and Lunati are Chinese forgings of pretty good quality. Just verify that they are machined in the USA by a reputable company and you shouldn’t have any problems in higher horsepower applications.

[@Rail9222]

Cutting exhaust tubing!!!

[@HorsepowerHeadquarters454]

What about the chevy 3/8's rocker studs? Lol..

[@MrBlackbutang]

What was the bearings clearance? Thanks Steve

[@richardholdener1727]

id have to dig up the build sheet

[@jonathansouza6549]

Was the r series single plane intake ported.

[@MikeMalkowski]

It's cool, but it would be cooler with boost

[@RaceRabbit]

Is there a cam for EFI 460 you recommend?

[@richardholdener1727]

mild one

[@unclesquirrel6951]

Personally I blame squirrels

[@funfun8095]

👍

[@Aladinscave]

How reliable is the 557 with the stock block? Anybody have any experience with this combo?

[@danmyers9372]

Racers have been running stock 460 blocks up to 1000 HP NA for years. The block is well proven.

[@E1337Jerk]

Rich would love to see a 390 mid block Ford built on the other guys series. Keep it up I love it all.

[@Cuttyman9]

what i just saw was speed master has a big stroker crank for FEs too, it would be a match made in heaven!

[@donellmuniz590]

It's actually not a mid-block, it's a bona fide big block, with unfortunately small bores (usually 4.0 to 4.05), except for the 428 (4.13) and 427 (4.23, if I remember right). The only "mid block" Fords are the 351M (an unholy 400 block with a 351 crank) and 400. They're really just tall deck, 2V Clevelands.

[@donellmuniz590]

@@Cuttyman9 I've seen several 434-ish FEs on tv, You Tube, magazines, etc. That's a darned good size. A 427 block with 428 crank makes a 454, but good luck finding a 427 block (for under 2 grand). Beyond 434, finding big enough heads would be an issue, but that's what boost is for, lol.

[@Cuttyman9]

Donell Muniz compared to a 385 series it’s a mid block. Windsor’s can get to 418 on a stock block. The 385 series can be brought all the way out to 555 without an aftermarket block so 434 isn’t anything special but due to its large architecture it’s not really small but it’s also not really big.

[@JKinz72x]

Build ANY FE combo. Blair Patrick won old iron class at engine masters. 360/390 block 428 crank. 410 combo!

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

I'm not going to get caught up in the Ford/Chevy battle. Thank god for any badass V8

[@briansearles4473]

@Steve Gregg The older I get the more I am liking all v8's. Don't know anything about the AMC v8, were they any good?

[@OKstang77]

Now let's see what this can do with the twin eBay turbo setup from the 454.

[@williamtauriello1581]

Let’s see a 557 with twin turbos. Could it hit 1500hp or more? Would an FMCC or aftermarket block be needed?

[@Cowboy.underwater]

With boost that's 2,000 hp worth of motor. I would be surprised if the 2 bolt mains could handle that.

[@devinberry8742]

How bout a turbo on a 460?! That's the im wanting to build

[@terryanderson9936]

Devin Berry check out maverick with 460 turbo.

[@LukeSportsman]

But the block wouldn't have survived!

[@devinberry8742]

@@terryanderson9936 I seen it about three years ago

[@donellmuniz590]

@@LukeSportsman 460 blocks are pretty rugged, I'm told. 1000 hp shouldn't be a problem. Just dont hit the button too soon, lol.

[@PureCountryof91]

That's a recipe for broken transmissions. Do it!

[@HoosierDaddy_]

Thanks Richard! Love seeing the 385 series represented. Keep em coming!

[@PitBullEngines]

The fords love big cam. Bigger cam and more rpm you can go 1025ish for sure.

[@michaelparadisis4076]

I have a 870 hp pump gas 582 BBC Chev with AFR heads but boy Ford BB’s make some serious power. They appear to do it with less cubes and intake port volume/ valve size.

[@dirtrider2833]

You should ask brule what he would really like to see and do. He has seen and done more then we can imagine. He pry has some crazy combination in his head that he would like to try

[@AnDrEw122100]

Richard you should throw one of these engines in a car an hit the track one time 👍🏻🤘🏻

[@michaelangelo8001]

Please learn how to say "Chevrolet". In answer to your question; that tunnel ram was designed for high RPM performance. The runners are too short to produce any significant gains at lower engine speed.

[@frankieford7668]

You basically built my motor Richard ...the only difference was, i installed 4 bolt main caps...Now i dont need to dyno it...lol I feel the minimal Gain with the tunnel Ram was a Testament to just how "Good" the Trickflow Single 4 barrel was..i enjoyed this..

[@GIGABACHI]

Awesome 🍎 Sauce ! 👌🏻🙂👍🏻 Is there any chances of running this thing @ 12.5:1 on "poor's people" 93 octane ? It does have aluminium heads🤔. I think it would make for an awesome N/A Jet Boat engine.😎

[@eliminator1978]

JIGA BACHI I need this for my jet boat!

[@danmyers9372]

Might be possible but you would have to take a ton of timing out of it to the point where you would you lose a lot of power. Probably would also run hotter but that probably wouldn’t be an issue in a boat.

[@johnherbold6539]

I wanna see a old school Flathead or Y-block build

[@donellmuniz590]

Both. Maybe bring in Mike Hermann (H&H Flatheads), and John Mummert or Ted Eaton (the Y-block experts).

[@A_lesson_in_Hate]

Speedmaster as in procomp? But the Internet told me there products are crap, are you saying that you had no problem with the part and it worked..

[@travispfannmuller7717]

I saw trickflow... did I miss something?

[@richardholdener1727]

speedmaster crank

[@donellmuniz590]

"their"

[@philbeasley7316]

I'm a ford guy but never really was a 460 but after seeing these results might actually think about building one

[@ElvinLeadfoot]

David Vizard:) I think we can trick it some DV styled And it will go over 1,000hp with a single dominator. Possibly with water injection.

[@reevinriggin3570]

"even awesomer" that is the perfect description. Call Merriam Webster for a new entry. Thanks for the Vids, Richard.

[@richardholdener1727]

I need to do a shirt

[@armcchargues8623]

I would love to see a mild 557 built for pump gas with a flat tappet hydraulic cam that will work with a 3000 stall converter.

[@DethFromAbove1985]

1000 or nuthin. 1108hp Kaase 557 is the highest I've seen on youtube.

[@dennisrobinson8008]

Weird tunnel ram result. Normally you get the increase in torque across the curve. I expected a 50hp gain with tq across the board.. I guess that single plane was a good piece.

[@mwyson4095]

Get rid of that Comp Cam and install a Crower or Clay Smith. Also put a set of ported Ford Performance Cobra Jet heads to compare it.

[@robertobetancourt7881]

Rich by your opinion this Engine produce more than 351w or Cleveland ? Thanks

[@richardholdener1727]

a stock 460 makes more than a stock 351W or 351C-yes

[@danielwilson6665]

Yes indeed, especially since the 460 has 109 more cubic inches than the 351 engines. WOW… imagine that 🤔.

[@randybichsel4597]

With Ford they like carbs put a 1250 on it n you will top 900 single carb

[@sillybirdy1994]

Ford 460. The biggest big block (that actually works, looking at you Cadillac)

[@jvt1226]

Rich, you do such a fantastic job at everything! Thank you for all of your grueling work at all of this. You are careful to be very polite and do lots of Chevy stuff. So, I laughed out when you contributed to the soreness between the factions with the Chevy headers crack. I noticed the various crossover points at the various levels 350 factory, 437, 550, and 735 ish at 5250. I know rpm is a great way to increase torque. However, what could be done with boost to push a stock manifold to create Earth shredding torque to 5250? What if horsepower was great but no mods would be done unless it also added torque from the basement? Maybe that’s a subject of focus in the future? Thanks man.

[@manitoublack]

With the iron heads. such a great boat motor. run all day, open loop cooling to keep the heads cool at 5500RPM

[@rondyechannel1399]

Too bad not more iron 429CJ heads around to test with. They were awesome when ported on my 490 (460), along with tunnel ram, etc. in the 1970's jet boat. I know not serious unless a Vdrive!

[@TheSteelArmadillo]

Only problem with BB boat power, the fuel consumption, especially with twins. The speed is nice, but the cruising distance takes a hit. 300gal of fuel would get us about 225mi with a pair of 454s in V-drives.

[@donellmuniz590]

Do you have a Chevron Platinum Card, or your own oil well? 😄

[@fortnoxz71]

I bought the same heads and 557 stroker kit.. ive been wandering what cam to run... you just made my mind up!! ANY WAY YOU CAN SHARE exact part number for the cam your using to get the 900+ hp? springs, rockers, etc???? Please share!! As always Richard your videos rock!!! Tons of information.. You actually build what most of us poor bastard wish we could build in our sleep.. Keep it up. Please share your cam and parts list for this engine please... you can even email me the numbers if you want. i will reply

[@richardholdener1727]

I don't have a parts list-it was long ago, but the cam specs should be easy to find

[@danielwilson6665]

I’m the charter member of the PBC (poor bastards club) and I cordially invite you to join our group 😁.

[@nellybagley2601]

Try an Enderly fuel injection on alcohol on top of dual quad manifold.

[@ericmillrd6768]

If you had put a 1.8 ratio rocker on the exhaust on the 557 it would have made around 910hp with the single carb. Comp came suck with their backwards lift split

[@edge2sword186]

THEY GOT OVER 1000 ON PUMP GAS AS A NATURAL ASPIRATED 557 JON KAASE P51 HEAD ENGINE

[@donellmuniz590]

Those P51s are nice if you can afford em. And if money's no object, there's always the Boss9!

[@GFPRACING]

Bigger Cam & Thinner Head Gasket ! . Please ! .

[@Scootermagoo]

I know the dyno tests are 11 years old, but some turbos would have been entertaining with say 15lbs...

[@superkillr]

I don't know if you'll see this, but you used the FORD 557 tunnel ram results in your BBC tunnel ram test.

[@richardholdener1727]

I'll take a look

[@rondyechannel1399]

Just one incredibly stout block, and with 2 bolt mains no less! Nice job Ford engineers.

[@SoI_Badguy]

I really find the blueprint 598 engine fascinating. Could you possibly do something with that? Almost 600ci out of a stock deck height BBC...

[@darrensweeney6928]

Single carb setup would have showed better results with a bigger carb. My 557 loves the 1250 dominator.

[@danmyers9372]

Nice test although I also was surprised that the tunnel ram didn’t pick up more. No way the extra cost (manifold, extra carb, fuel lines, linkage) plus tuning would justify such a small gain. If I spent the $ to perform this upgrade and only picked up ~30 HP I would not be a happy camper.

[@Robert-mn8gc]

Richard l have a Question 4U should u have the time ⏲️ to answer. The GM 632 Crate Motor. 1004 hp & 876 tq . Would a Fabricated Manifold change increase the performance that much without any other changes other than the Manifold & ×2 Carburetors . Efi set up . Ur thoughts & expirence would be Appreciated. Cheers Robert Australia 🇦🇺

[@richardholdener1727]

I have not looked closely at the stock intake-but if it does not have a tunnel ram-then likely yes

[@Robert-mn8gc]

@@richardholdener1727 Cheers Richard. Always u2 watching u on KZbin. U have a very sensible 👍 approach. A head(s) that l would love ❤️ 2 see u review is the , Hammerhead Performance Hemi Head out of Georgia, USA . Greg the Designer of the Head has been ringing its neck in N/A format . Would be Gr8 2 see someone else do a Supercharger Engine just 2 see how this head performs. Keep up the gr8 work. 👍 Cheers Richard. 🍻 Robert 👍 😀