Best Of Amiga Demos 1988 (4irmann Compilation)

My personal best of collection of Amiga 500 Demos and Intros from 1988+. Some of them are pretty rare. Created with WinUAE. The music is not processed in any way. I tried to keep it as original as possible. E.g. there's mostly a hard stereo separation.

[@Dragonion2010]

Although the Amiga has been surpassed by many computers since it's golden era it will always remain the most magical computer in history! :)

[@8bitsaga]

Every line has their followers to say the same thing :D. For me, the most magical computers are the MSX.

[@MrRetroville]

As a kid, I always thought Amiga music sounded futuristic. Now we see it as retro music. Quite amusing. But I'm confident that the robots of the future will be jamming to the Amiga.

[@LarsTragel-zh7ei]

It' still future music.

[@ForceMassMotion]

This is what got me started writing music in Trackers and then getting a deal and a professional music career. Thanks AMIGA!!!

[@postro1975]

7 min 10 sec. - best ever music ... Sleep walk - that piece have defined quality of Amiga music for years. I have to admit I had recorded that song on an audio tape and listened to it again and again. And here we go almost 30 years later - I makes me smile... love this song....

[@roberthazelby4424]

This is one of my most revisited KZbin videos. A tremendous piece of work putting all this together.

[@4irmann]

Hey, thanks a lot of. Much appreciated !!

[@SpikeColgate]

These all set me and close friends on a somewhat haphazard path (Freestyle UK/Ecstasy) but i loved every moment... bedroom coders, musicians, GFX artists doing all kindsa cool stuff and pushing boundaries... glad to have been a part of it all..

[@SpikeColgate]

love that Quartex tune btw... synonymous with a whole loada cracks around that time.. same for the Red Sector intro tune at 43:15..

[@abdulrahmanal-ali4775]

Played Amiga 500 back in 90s, best thing happen to Game industry. still locked in AMIGA music era . what an experience to hear 20+ year later!

[@antred11]

+Abdulrahman Al-Ali Actually, those were the good old times *before* it turned into an industry. Games back then were pieces of art. These days it's more mass-produced, short-lived junk. EDIT: This is not true for all games these days but certainly for a larger share than back then.

[@tonyali4715]

Best games era... I loved the games and demos.

[@jogibaerr50000]

Amazing, how quality increases within a short time... Watch those demos 2 years later, and you will find yourself in another world...

[@dayglo98]

This sounds sooooo good ! Oh the nostalgia. Amiga 500 + the 512Kb RAM expansion

[@akwalek]

always loved the old skool 88-89 modules, they held a certain charm! :)

[@OctavioRojasFinanciero]

I come very often to listen these amazing tunes and relive my childhood

[@Asterra2]

The music at 1:07:15 is by SLL. It was one of two mods you get to hear in a somewhat famous little demo that features two computer monitors-one C64, one Amiga-showing Rastan and King Tut's mask, respectively. That demo was literally the first thing I ever saw on Amiga, coming from a background which capped out at the NES, and having never owned a C64. I spent the next two years saving up for an A500. I don't remember the name of the demo but it remains a thing that made a huge impact in my life. Edit: 1:24:30 is another very early demo for me. The thing that stood out for me with this one was the lovely music. Just compare it to all the other tunes. Everything else might as well be part of the same album; they're all writing music by the late 80s book, basically. This tune is different. Ethereal. Incidentally, since I saw all of these in NTSC, both this tune and the SLL one I mentioned above were heard playing at 60% of their intended speed. (Because the demos were designed for PAL, they can't quite manage 60fps, so default to 30 instead, and 30 is 60% of 50.) My memory is stuck hearing these songs at the wrong speed, but frankly I think for this tune it's a huge improvement. You can _kind of_ get a rough idea of how that sounds if you use KZbin's speed changing feature... Setting it to 0.6x sounds a little rough, but not bad.

[@TheKurgan]

Only 36 minutes in but this has brought back so many great memories of the best era of home computers. Thank you for uploading this!

[@tradinglive]

85'-95' the best decade for music in the past 4,000 years..!!

[@Halligen1972]

First I wanted to watch a movie - but then I decided to watch this 1 1/2 hour-amiga-demo-session: it was no waste of time! Thanx for the upload !!!

[@offontv]

Good Job 4irmann - I shared on the channel - it shows such great creatives of our time - and yes AMIGA was the bollocks - @ many a rave we had one plugged in to the screens making & mixing visuals on -site at each event - mainly d-paint anims and occasionally running demos - ... wicked!

[@4irmann]

Yep, and we reached the 1000 thumbs up ! THANKS A LOT PEOPLE - YOU ROCK !

[@mcpartridgeboy]

1032 now, sorry ive been listening to this for about 2 years now and only just noticed I hadn't likes !

[@jonathanmullett7968]

4irmann What was your best Soundtrack to an Amiga Game , Only played a few games on at my m8`s house :)

[@4irmann]

+mcpartridgeboy Wow that's cool, you definitely like it. Thanks for the feedback

[@4irmann]

+Jonathan Mullett I loved "The Faerytale" Soundtrack and the "Defender Of the Crown" Soundtrack.

[@4irmann]

+Jonathan Mullett Also "Speedball 2" Soundtrack and "Turrican" Soundtrack was great. And "Rock'n Roll" Soundtrack.

[@FreedomForce100]

UnitA at 13:25 was one of my all time favorite. The music is powerful. The demo is subtle and strong. Not flashy. Thank you for this compilation. Too bad Freedom Force Megademo is missing. I always loved the name!

[@Philtho]

Amiga ROM Kernel Reference manual. I got it for Christmas when I was about 14. Within a few hours I somehow figured out how to put a bouncing copper bar on the desktop background using Lattice C. My intention was to just do a bouncing copper bar in it's own screen, but I messed that up and it somehow put it on the desktop instead. But this mistake was so awesome looking I had it load every time. The entire scene back then was amazing, it truly felt like something out of a William Gibson book (The computer side, not the real world). Miss those days coming home and just hacking away and playing games, talking to people on BBSs from all over the world, trading games and code. I don't think I ever went to bed before 3am all through high school. I wrote my own BBS software in GFA Basic and had people from all the top groups calling in. Tried to get into TRSI, but you needed an HST which I could never afford at that age.

[@truthteller1246]

i used to love the CRYSTAL/MELON DESIGN demo's..way ahead of there time..miss those days

[@truthteller1246]

The CASCADE demo(36 mins in)..the fucking tune is pure AMIGA..id love to be a kid again, what times

[@eden0188]

Brilliant collection of demos 4irman, really reminded me of my younger days. In fact, you have just made me spent over £300 on getting an A1200 and a Powerbook G4 to bring back my Amiga memories. Nice work and the Amiga was way ahead of the competitions in its time. Thanks for the upload.

[@stuartchapman7934]

Remember those days fondly!!! Quality Compilation Video . . . thanks for the upload and nostalgia trip!!! 😃🎯💯💯

[@fredrikpeterson1987]

as a kid back then when around 1987 to 90´s owned an amiga 500 i was coding demos also

[@renewruck6457]

The best ever i miss you!!! 🤩🥰😍😍😍😍😘😘😘😅😅😅🤣🤣😂😂😂😥😥😥😥😮😮😮😪😪😪😓😓😓😢😢😢😭😭😭

[@leniere309]

If the commodore bosses had had any brains and dome some homework, they may have been able to wipe the floor with all the other computer systems at the time.

[@markjaywest]

neville w agreed

[@antred11]

+neville w And the world would be a better place for it. Sigh, the Amiga was a piece of art.

[@VastyVastyVoid]

Possibly. Still, Jack Tramiel had made enemies of his retailers long before C= acquired the Amiga. When you try to push a new product, that's going to be a serious roadblock.

[@eduardoavila646]

Yeah why not to dome some homework, they shouldnt be flat

[@supreme3376]

In Poland after the finał death they have ok in about two years

[@criterius5440]

I have huge nostalgia for this, but not in the way you'd expect, I'm 18 and I used to put this on when I was having trouble sleeping. Reminds me of keygen music! awesome tunes thanks for keeping this up almost 8 years later! :)

[@brostenen]

Ypu missed out on how the Amiga community were back in 1987/88 to 1992/93. Back then the community were way more social than today, because we had meetup's a couple of times. We visited other computer clubs and user groups. We traded demo's and mod-files in person. And gaming were a bit like what one on one console gaming is today. You know, sitting side by side around the same machine. Sure there are more today that are into Amiga's, and that is good, but because it is more on the internet. Then it is not in person and social in that context. But what people hail as being awesomme about Amiga today, were what we did back then. In person. And the "club" were more exclusive. Because we were looked down on and made fun of, as being pale nerds that would not know how to use a screw driver (or somerhing in the lines of that).

[@adz201]

Great collection of demos, some of the best popular demos here, great work!

[@Serpentiis]

Nice compilation! - Amiga conversion of Whittaker's "Storm" (from 0:12:15 onwards) was made by Thomas Lopatic (Dr.Nobody/HQC) with his own custom editor. - Unit A tune (from 0:13:25) was not made by Mark II but by Diz/Unit A, title "Unit A 5". - Thrust intro tune (from 0:29:11) was made by AXK/The Prophets AG, title "Axk10". - Tristar intro tune (from 0:31:55) was _probably_ done by Flynn/Tristar. - Cascade intro tune by Fred (from 0:33:12) is called "New Horizon".

[@jonaswolcher]

I remember these. I was a nerd back then. Got my Amiga 500 in 1987.

[@aleben6009]

Always close in front of my amiga. Any days a new discovery. Amiga a new word of musics and colors... the intro to multimedia computer. The base of illustrator, 3dstudiomax, photoshop, flash, premiere, after effect...and so on. When microsoft and dos on pc could do only beep beep and 2, 4 o 16 colors.

[@kimsoares3271]

I keep coming back for this video, Top3 Amiga music compilation in KZbin!

[@4irmann]

Thank you for the nice feedback. Much appreciated

[@yumiris]

Agreed - I've first seen this video ~11 years ago, would return to it semi-regularly, and then recently remembered it after many years since last seeing it. A most excellent compilation :)

[@CXSGroupie]

omg..... thanks 1000 times !!! No more seraching or switching... everything is here.

[@triton4541]

Hello from France, I put a thumbs up and listened and watched with pleasure in full. On my Atari 520 STE (extended to 1 MB of ram on the late) I had more games copied than demos. 1988 30 years ago ... The PC has not been much better since. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bonjour depuis la France, J'ai mis un pouce levé et j'ai écouté et regardé avec plaisir en entier. Sur mon Atari 520 STE (étendu à 1 Mo de ram sur le tard) j'avais plus de jeux copiés que de démos. 1988 il y a 30 ans... Le PC ne fait pas beaucoup mieux depuis.

[@surenot9491]

I grew up with this stuff. We got the first amiga 500 when i was 4 years old. Have it still and love to use it once every couple years.

[@4irmann]

Thanks, you're welcome :-). Indeed astonishing how quick the Amiga scene grew in 87-89

[@janmansde3dede]

Thank you for this great compilation, made my homework way less laborious :)

[@tantamusca]

One of the best of all times , never heard this one before , will look through my library to find it and play 😇👍👍

[@indigo2gm]

Well well well. Ho dei bellissimi ricordi, emozioni bellissime che al giorno d'oggi non si potranno mai più provare, una volta ci si accontentava di qualche colore di qualche animazione e della musica a 4 canali stereo....Amiga Forever

[@comatose9907]

RIP Amiga .. my 1st true love!

[@ylette]

Pure gold! I am currently trying to identify a number of Amiga tunes I recorded on a cassette tape when I borrowed a friend's Amiga in 1989. This has proven very helpful.

[@androth1502]

that music is still better than 90% of the crap they shove at us now.

[@Grigeral]

It's nostalgic, but music in games can be absolutely phenomenal these days?

[@1066gaz]

yep name a good original soundtrack on the ps & xbox. all classical crap mostly.

[@Grigeral]

@@1066gaz Doom. Witcher. Skyrim. Fallout. Celeste. Cuphead. Outer worlds. Overwatch. Need I continue? And that's not going to current pc titles... It's not about the genre, its about how it suits the game...

[@1066gaz]

@@Grigeral Yep completed them all. Skyrim oblivion has got to be my all time favourite. Spent thousands of hours on that one. Played 10,000's of games over 40 years and skyrim& GTA series are my all time favourite games.

[@Grigeral]

@@1066gaz I love TES and FO both, but TES def has the better music. But I'd say my top RPG has to be Planescape: Torment. Which consequently, is probably my fave OST too... Particularly Deionnara's Theme. Still makes my hairs stand on end. Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magic Obscura had a great OST too, mostly classical but suited the medieval/industrial theme.

[@avenirpasse2500]

Amiga forever!

[@olivierjeannel2477]

So glaaaad to hear the PHR Crew ! It's been ages since I haven't listen to that :) I used to sleep with this sound playing in background :)

[@TheKurgan]

And thank you for confirming at the end that I correctly identified the Speedball theme!!! :D That game & sequel were absolute classics.

[@TeeNineJulius]

Yay for the Mark II song at 24:00. Came out in '88 and still has musical appeal today. Love the drum solo at 25:00. Simply Awesome. Thanks for the share! Teenine.

[@rastermax2]

Epic compilation... close to my personal selection thx !

[@naturalroyalflush]

listen to the sound-space age-unleashed so much creativity.

[@tomahzo]

1:24:30 : That Paranoimia cracktro is so great. Simple yet effective ;D. Deeply nostalgic.

[@dnvp3644]

THIS ART WAR FROM ELECTRONIC ARTISTS FOR PARANOIMIA !!!!!!!!!!! deutschnational.

[@torbjornnorrbom5525]

Man this takes me back. Thanks!

[@Roomer645]

I remember most of them, great compilation !! Wish those UAE files were available for download. Thanks for posting and bringing back good memories.

[@MoonWolf_yt]

I was almost adult the time. But still it's nostalgic... I want these times come back.

[@Krystallen]

Ok, I want the 80ies back!

[@MrSwedeProductions]

good old ST-01 sounds... I bought my second hand A500 in spring 1989 and got a few discs with demos/intros. Half a year later I went to my first copyparty... Aahh, good times =)

[@bramvancampfort4546]

this realy takes me back still great tunes m8 respect 2 u

[@CarstenMeyer]

So much legendary stuff ... thank you!

[@TNTUP]

That f**(sorry excited haha)ing sound at 52:14 I ***ING LOVE IT, even I've installed WinUAE and that demo to listen when I feel it! Idk how why but I really love that amiga music intro! Thumbs Up!

[@tonyali4715]

TNTUP do u know the music 7.10 onwards its driving me crazy!

[@NoobsAndGeeks]

Yeah, it's a beautiful version of "Fame" and stands on its own legs. The original was composed by Giorgio Moroder.

[@Serpentiis]

- Trilogy intro tune (from 1:12:20) by The Amiga Freak/Trilogy, title "runaway". - Another Trilogy intro cover tune (from 1:17:05) _probably_ by SLL. - Great Spreadpoint intro tune (from 1:19:35) by Ernie/Spreadpoint. - MFC intro tune (from 1:22:19) maybe by Sal/Vortex 42.

[@andreashansen4780]

awh... You made me cry... Damn that nostalgia :P No seriously I't was great to see and be reminded of all the old groups.

[@attilaracz2034]

Just go and buy one. I got an A1200 recently and man what a great feeling to have it in my room again!!!!

[@Chann3l0]

I used to hang out with Rome Knight in Dusseldorf, he made music for Red Sector, good kid. Nice Video thanks!

[@kz40]

Very nice to see this again after more than 20 years!! Greetz pokie of magnificent force (mgf)

[@jojos08]

at 18:00 OH MY GOD! Wizball! I remembered the game but had forgotten the title! What an odd game but it caught my attention back then and kept playing it. Thank you so much! ... I think I had this game in the same floppy with Crystal Hammer.

[@tubehellcat]

[@1066gaz]

The golden years of computers miss those days dearly. The spectrum C64 & amiga will always be the most fun & best computer's ever made. Pro 5000 joystick what a legend also.(:-)

[@georgedaviotis3016]

The Amiga 500 was ahead of its time. Between 1987-1993-4 it was more advanced than other personal computer including Apple or PC on the market.

[@stevenfield5899]

This brings back memories...used to make mods on the amiga 500/1200 using protracker 1.3 and 3.1 (if I remember correctly). Had a discman and soundsampler. Sadly all the 3.5"'s are lost long ago. A shame since I used to put a bit of effort into it. This collection is awesome!

[@4irmann]

man, you definitely rock ! Thanks for all the worthwhile hints. I'll integrate them ASAP.

[@mongoosethe]

Nothing makes me pump my fist repeatedly in the air quite like this.

[@Realmasterorder]

AMIGA was the most epic games heavy home computer ever created years ahead of its time and remained like that for many years

[@ArcanePath360]

I used to play these on my walkman all the time and someone once caught me listening to Xenon1 and said it sounded like underwater music, but fuck him, the techno bass of the Amiga was and still is fucking EPIC.

[@simonebernacchia]

ArcanePath360 it was a recording with or without led on? (aka filter)

[@BarrySlisk]

***** I've managed to keep it a secret so far. I'm afraid to come out!! :)

[@Krystallen]

ArcanePath360 I copies C64 and Amiga music to my walkman as well! Even before "best of" came up. The music still IS epic.

[@markjaywest]

ArcanePath360 i used to record it on tape also but geez thats like eons ago, i had collected thousands of tunes ripped from virtually every game on the amiga that i could get the tunes out iof, even had to repair some as they never quite ripped properly. but this brings back some old memories from 25 years back lol

[@ElectronHVChannel]

+Simone Bernacchia led DOES sound like underwater to me.

[@pascebucherasc2239]

Oh man, i was 13 in 1987. I loved my Amiga and i had so many copies of games(yes i never buy one, sorry), more then 300 discs. This was my childhood...memories!

[@SouthwesternEagle]

1988 was so awesome! I wish I could have seen it (in this life).

[@AndrosynthNuclear]

Damn right we still love it. I got my Amiga 500 and monitor sitting on my dresser along with an ATI Rage graphics card, like some kind of shrine to the demo gods.

[@Serpentiis]

- RSI intro tune (from 0:39:52) was made by Mark II/Quadlite. - Red Sector intro tune (from 0:43:08) by Karsten Obarski, title "Telephone". - D.O.C intro tune (from 0:50:04) by Pat/Ackerlight, title "Pat". - Mad Monks intro cover tune (from 0:52:15) by Styx/Mad Monks, title "gng8". - The Enforcers intro tune (from 0:55:26) by TSM/Sunriders (aka Felix Schmidt). - Enemies intro cover tune (from 0:59:23) by SLL/(too many groups to mention :D) - WOW intro cover tune (from 1:03:22) by Hans/TSK-Crew.

[@Xenon-CyberSouls]

ahhhh here we go, thx! a small beginning, anyone else you musi-cracks? .... .... ... Maybe I have to watch the video, too to see the artists in the demo-credits...CLT

[@ImMobile2014]

Last song before the credits music is an updated version of Jack dance by katsten obarski. 1:27:00 Probably my favorite tune from Amiga days

[@CaudaMiller]

Beat to the Pulp (from 0:00:00) was made by Romeo Knight

[@galy0]

Thank you for the music.

[@dayglo98]

thanks, nice soundtrack to listen to at work

[@EXITMUSIC2011]

I remember some of these way back when I first bought my Amiga 500 in 1988!

[@3dbully]

OMG this is bringing back some memories, the postman used to hate me, i used to get loads of jiffy-bags with stacks of scene demos and other nice thing's back in the day !

[@dnullgnull9377]

i miss my ami. so programable. sound, graphics, the lot. Good vid, thanks.

[@brostenen]

You can get your own today. Buy an A500 on eBay or somewere else. Install RGBtoHDMI, 512k Ram and Gotek. Remember to check if voltages are good on the PSU before plugging in.

[@hendrikhendrikson2941]

Amiga's pushed to their max. Love it!

[@ShadowKittehRawr]

Much thanks for this wonderful compilation :)

[@MagikGimp]

Emulating the Amiga sure can be a task and a half I should know. A machine ahead of its time no doubt.

[@joeyjackson9111]

best upload to youtube ever

[@kluzz]

Back in the days when I ripped the Karsten Obarski tune "Telephone" from the Red Sector intro (at 43:08), all the MOD replay routines always played it faster than in the intro. All the remixes I've heard later also uses a faster pace. Kinda makes me wonder what the intended replay speed was?

[@4irmann]

You're right. It's too slow. I've never noticed before. I'm not really sure why this happened. Maybe it depends on the 50/60 Hz topic, or maybe on the emulation. Anyway, guess I have to somehow fix it. Thanks for the hint !

[@kluzz]

4irmann No, you don't have to do anything to fix it; this is just how it was played in that particular intro. I don't think it's a PAL/NTSC issue; if I recall correctly, the faster speed was actually set in the beginning of the module, but the replay routine seems to have ignored. I guess it could be due to old replayer code, or something.

[@4irmann]

Jan Fredrik Leversund Yeah could be the replay routine, or as I've written: an emulator anomaly. I cross checked the video version with rendered mp3's from exotica[dot]org[dot]uk and it seems that the original tune was intended to be played faster. I'll do the following things to find out: replay the intro with a current WinUAE, and replay the original Obarski .mod file with Linux UADE player. If it's a failure from my side I have to fix it. Otherwise I'll add some text info which explains the issue and don't fix it.

[@kluzz]

4irmann It's not an emulation anomaly; this is how the intro sounded on an Amiga 500 back in 1988.

[@4irmann]

ok, after reading your first comment again, I understand now what your comment was about. So your actual question is: was it the correct replay speed in 1988 (how Obarski composed it), or did the intro authors deliberately alter the replay speed, or used they just a buggy/wrong replay routine ? As far as I know there's a field in the song or .mod header which stores the replay speed. Guess we have to look there to find out the truth. Another option would be to ask Karsten Obarski directly :-)

[@PAULLONDEN]

Loved the intro tune..so typical Amiga.Made me think of all these old games that blew away.Arkanoid anyone ?

[@4irmann]

Wow ! I love this song since over 20 years now but I didn't know it was from DM. Thanks a lot for this information.

[@GreenTeaOriginal]

These will be my car music. Love this!

[@anna-mariaboseke6406]

What a great time that was … wow !

[@Atman179]

Anyone else buzz off, all that taunts, and slagging each other off, and also the big ups, and respects, between the various cracking houses. Gotta love it. Not to the music is second to none.

[@ablindgibsongirl]

I don't have nostalgia working for me here just love of old computers the amiga especially. There's something more real about the sounds of these old demos somehow. I know it's electronic music but I can't listen to modern recordings for too long it actually hurts my head and my ears. We built a custom hifi deck because we missed the warm mellow sound of that soft steady rumble of a big stereo, the kind you don't have to crank up to hear everything and can lay in bed listening to your son finding all the classic sesame street episodes your husband stuck on the flash drive. He loves the big sound and says, tv has bad sound mommy. We're learning names of old computers at the moment. It all returns somehow.

[@4irmann]

Hey, integrated all your hints today. Thanks again !

[@525Lines]

The checkerboard was used in some of the first graphic demo screens of the early supercomputers in the early 70s.

[@emgecons7338]

the first one is the best! tkank you.

[@Hirvibongari2]

I really like this compilation :)

[@bdo7765]

@59:23 - pretty shameless Blue Monday ripoff (homage?) - and I love it! To do the song this much justice on the Amiga is just nuts. Respect.

[@BartechTV]

Wow, '88 really was the year of the sine scroller

[@4irmann]

You sir are a hero. Thanks a lot !

[@t3kstech117]

if only the Amiga survived

[@Miwosanur423]

+TCN NerdTech (TotalChickenNuggets) Keep a flame for the amiga in your heart.

[@SHEARMINATOR]

+TCN NerdTech (TotalChickenNuggets) better than Atari

[@VK2FVAX]

It did survive. Go buy a Vampire V4 when it comes out later this year. :)

[@KajuTheRudeMonke]

Long live the Amiga!

[@RetroDeathReviews666]

Amigas are still very much used; mostly in UK and Europe though, rarely in America.

[@eden0188]

Hehehe! Not sad at all, in fact, I'm looping this video over and over again at work with my headphones on :D. Just brilliant!!

[@Membrane556]

RIP Commodore. Too bad the company was brought down by poor management.

[@eviltigz]

Membrane556 Yep, to this day one of my favorite computers was the Amiga A1200. Commodore had some really awesome computers, just shame the management sucked.

[@retrobeep2000]

​@mPky1_ No it was poor management. There are books and videos about it, from folks working inside Commodore. Please - do your research before writing random nonsense.

[@retrobeep2000]

@mPky1 What you saying is, those folks who´s been working inside Commodore, can´t be trusted, when they say it was poor management.

[@retrobeep2000]

@mPky1 All your weird arguments has nothing to do with the topic, and is therefore pointless to try to decipher, although i did find it quite amusing reading, so thanks for the laugh :D Please enlighten us , where you got your waterproof facts from, since all interviews, books and videos etc. about his subject. seems to cover up the real truth in your world!! Btw. - if your right, then i´ll follow your path 100%

[@retrobeep2000]

@mPky1 Lets try this from the beginning You claim : "no amiga died because everybody pirated everything and ther e was no reason for anyone to invest in software." and : "What part of a machine without software will die dont you understand ?" Employees and people from inside Commodore has written books, articles, videos etc. about poor management lead to the fall of Amiga, and NOT PIRACY like you say. What part is it you don´t understand. I´m not building factual knowledge on claims like you. Give us the proof of why your right, or let´s just leave it here. Have a nice day.

[@michael22971]

sehr schön good old Times Thanks Greetings from a old Amiga Boy from Germany N.N.M