[4K] Battlefield 5 PC - RTX Ray Tracing Analysis and Xbox One X Graphics Comparison

[@raresmacovei8382]

7 years ago, we were all marveling at the implementation of Screen Space Reflections in DX11 in Crysis 2. Oh how the time flies.

[@EcchiRevenge]

We're only on dx12 so I'll say time really crawled during that time, along with gpu being stuck on 28nm for half a decade.

[@TheGamesaga]

Time DID NOT fly

[@ardi1606]

Suddenly xbox one x losing screen space reflection on this game. Lol

[@Robbie1179]

@@ardi1606 Its always been like that you dope.

[@Skylancer727]

Just think, DX13 with full ray pathing and 10 rays per pixel. I can't wait to watch paint dry in my games when that happens. XD

[@ThatNoodGuy]

This is probably my favorite video from Alex. The analysis very well written and articulated. He has really grown as a content creator since he started working with DF.

[@MunkeyChips]

I think those particle effects look much more impressive than RTX

[@gameguy301]

been a long journey realy, GPU particles was the hot new thing back when DX11 was unveiled (I remember being blown away by them in warframe back in 2013), and the froxel waether effects / fog that makes BFV and RDR2 look so good was presented at GDC 2015.

[@GraveUypo]

they really do.

[@jacooosthuizen3593]

same

[@Skylancer727]

Yeah, the ray tracing has some serious dithering issues that would bother the crap out of me like the hair in games like FF15. Still looks really good though.

[@Dev518]

They really should have been talking those up instead of RTX. I had no idea that those crazy particle effects were even in the game.

[@foist101]

First generation tech is almost never worth the price or performance you will get.

[@marshallr.8121]

i mean, yeah, but it kinda depends on what you're expecting/what you want. if you just wanna be on the cutting edge, as its happening, its definitely worth it since its the only option~

[@tehsimo]

I'm excited for the 3080, the graphics really are incredible.

[@ardi1606]

True

[@jester0075]

But it is "first", so that's something. Means progression.

[@hazard1one]

dont worry ,rtx 3070 will have 5x performance increase for raytracing like they always do on previous tech.

[@Granhier]

Imagine Mirror's Edge Catalyst with raytracing

[@dbzwarrior4321]

To bad that game and the community is dead :( was hoping for a sequel

[@moosemaimer]

*technically* a lot of the lighting in ME was raytraced, just in preproduction for building lightmaps. Applying it in realtime to all that glass would look nice.

[@devinport.]

Imagine the fps drop

[@dissidentjv5887]

I WANT !!!!!! and on mirror's edge 2008 with unreal engine, just perfect

[@Dev518]

Imagine 20 fps at 1080p on a $1200 card.

[@ocidax]

DF selling RTX better than Nvidia.... lol. Still a waste of resources.

[@Pedroofficialchannel]

For now yes but in 3-5 years this will be revolutionary but not on this hardware for this price

[@FN-ni7hz]

@@Pedroofficialchannel the root of all the hate is the steep price. If they had priced the cards reasonably everyone would be loving RTX.

[@Pedroofficialchannel]

@@FN-ni7hz True that's why i called them out on pricing but also think technology RT is still a novelty it needs to evolve more and transition into all kinds of budget GPUs

[@dushikorsou1]

should have made made a seperate card for rtx for the people that want it and have a gtx 20xx series for people that don't really care about it. because now you are forced to pay premium prices for something that most people won't even use. the only thing i find interesting is the dlss feature.

[@Pedroofficialchannel]

@@dushikorsou1 I agree with you.

[@Tasso-d2]

Loving the pc focused content keep up the amazing work digital foundry. !!!

[@fancyslimoshady]

@EJSC man just dont speak out your ass next time .. .thats all

[@philipcooper8297]

11:52 the rocks pop-in is just amusing, considering this is on Ultra settings and RTX2080Ti.

[@pagb666]

Yep, that also bugged me while watching

[@philipcooper8297]

​@Tony Melo It's all a matter of artistic approach and/or level desing. Some games are so polished the pop in is inconceivable. In this game, the pop in is tragic as the level designer had to know the player is going to go through there, it's a road.

[@SomeRandomGuy369]

Kinda like ray tracing and the 1100 dollar video card is all a cash grab huh. They should have just worked on making the game look better by lighting and more detail or draw distance. Shadow of the tomb raider has better graphics even without ray tracing. Rtx is the biggest scam I've seen. Wait a couple of months. I bet you the make a 4080. Nvidia has done it before. I bought a gtx 480 when it was new. Same year 580 came out. Google it.

[@SomeRandomGuy369]

@Frank Enstein woah. How you getting that much fps? 1080p with 50 percent res? What cpu do you have? We are talking about battlefield 5 right? I have a gtx 1080.

[@philipcooper8297]

@Frank Enstein Pedestrian?

[@GameCookerUSRocks]

I don't particularly care about all the subjects that you talk about on your channel but the more I watch digital foundry the more I enjoy it. The main reason is because you guys just don't sit there and have a negative kind of attitude about everything. You seem to have a simple or maybe a strong appreciation for technology, graphics in gaming, and appear to at least be forward-thinking. Instead of bashing RTX and talking about its limitations in its infancy, only, you at least understand the difficulty in bringing it to real time and appreciate what's there. That is how those who love technology should present things in their videos. KZbinrs are to negative and cynical these days and just love controversy. And it's really shame on them because they should know better. Especially, if they claim to be lovers of technology or at least come off as that in the channel name. All gamers should be embracing the technologies that are going to help gaming be a much better experience immersively and visually even if they can't afford it. That is the real issue here anyway I think and the fact that AMD has nothing real good to offer in the GPU sector to push any new technologies. Anyhow, great job on another well-presented video which was actually informing.

[@Ryusennin]

"You seem to have a strong appreciation for technology [...]" "Naive" is the word you were looking for.

[@mylittlesony1499]

Heh since you think it’s great with how not cynical they are you must love reading the comments

[@SolidBoss7]

Ryusennin umm wat?

[@GameCookerUSRocks]

@@Ryusennin Personally I think they presented what they were trying to convey well. I never said they were experts. I watch a lot of KZbin videos trying to get a sense of things in the gaming world and with technology like ray tracing, etc etc. And that interest me because I have a 2080 Ti card.and I didn't buy it for the ray tracing and dlss but just because it's the fastest card out there right now and it's my first. Not that I don't have any knowledge of ray tracing and other things but it's nice to see what other people have to show. For me personally when new technologies come out I want to see what they're capable of. Not what they're not capable of because I really doesn't matter to me. Simply because they wouldn't change anything. Just like if I was going to buy a truck to do specific tasks. I don't care what the truck can't do. I care what the truck can do that will help me finish my tasks. Obviously people can nitpick at anything they want and everything so that matter but I don't really see the point in that. and that's what a lot of KZbinrs and social media does today. There's very few that are actually objective in the truest sense. And I am not saying digital foundry presents what's a present perfectly. But I did enjoy the fact that this video wasn't bashing battlefield 5, bashing Nvidia, bashing RTX, etc etc. And bashing doesn't mean you have to be cursing in the process. Bashing also involves just speaking lowly of things that really could be just presented to an audience and let them make a decision on their own. there is actually a way to present information in a neutral fashion. Here I think they did a good job for the most part. And they did present some negatives but in a very professional fashion. Some of the other KZbinrs out there were saying things that I was wondering where they got the information. And that concerns me because it seems more of an opinion than actual fact or possibility. Sorry for any thought or grammatical mistakes. I'm on my cell phone using talk to text and don't have a lot of time to get my thoughts together. 😁

[@XenogearsPS]

@@GameCookerUSRocks Thank you, I got an rtx2070 and it's not for ray tracing. I got it for DLSS which increases fps overtaking a 1080ti at 4k. I have to wait for the tech to release, but I think it's worth the upgrade. Everyone just loves to bash for no good reason. I understand the specs are the same as a gtx1080, but your paying for the features. I can also play 1080p ray trace at low, and from what I can see it's much better than cube maps so it's still a bonus. 1080p still looks clean and fine to play if I so choose to play at that resolution.

[@Benamax]

This whole comments section is just: “RAYTRACING BAD” “EA BAD” “FPS GOOD” You’d expect a great channel to have better discussions than this.

[@Benamax]

I’m implying that this comments section is a huge circlejerk with nothing new to say on these subjects.

[@foolger9714]

Benamax praise Geraldo! Women and minorities bad!

[@JayJapanB]

@@brando3342 Fact is, in Deus Ex had planar reflections and a trillion dollars is a lot of money. What do YOU have to say about it that's new?

[@lt-yx1hx]

@@brando3342 crysis 2 came out in 2011

[@krazyfrog]

I'm glad you mentioned Crysis 1 because that's exactly what I was thinking of throughout the video. People on the internet seem to have a short memory but the now iconic Crysis 1 was a complete disaster in terms of optimization and performance, with only a handful of computers being able to run it at playable frame rates at respectable settings. But the upside was groundbreaking visuals, which, to this day, are considered a benchmark. It's no doubt that Battlefield V will likely go down as the torch bearer for real time ray tracing but for it to do that we will have to suffer terrible performance for now. Of course, the argument can be made that no one had released specialized hardware for Crysis back in the day while the RTX cards are designed for a game such as Battlefield V and still fall short but Battlefield V is just one game that is still being worked upon. It's likely other games won't have such a big performance delta and will improve over time using patches and driver updates.

[@swiftyunknown]

*Just sitting here waiting for MCC*

[@chriswebley6938]

Swifty Unknown I hope they cover the godawful framrerate whilst playing split screen on the x

[@sondrejohansen48]

TruthHurts well a lot of people are asking so I don’t know how that equates to nobody?

[@LateNightHalo]

TruthHurts don’t want it? Don’t watch it :) it doesn’t have to be one or the other. Also your weird anger towards a piece of entertainment is... odd.... It’s a video game. Chill

[@vandammage1747]

ButtHurts still playing 1200p30 protato games on 4K oled😂😂

[@DEVILTAZ35]

@@ItzTruthHurts A lot of people do seeing it is amazing on the Xbox one X . Have you seen it now?

[@purona2500]

This comment section is proof that while some of you watch Digital Foundry, almost none of you understand whats happening. At least that's what I can tell from the top rated comments

[@MarceloTezza]

Barragan? Oftalmologist

[@mightyhadi6132]

@@eugene7614 PC gamer in general is the one who is always complaining about frame rates /second LMAO

[@AlphaladZXA]

Yeah I don't care for graphics much I just want a game that's fun and variety filled it's kinda sad people care so much about graphics now but what do those pretty effects mean if the game isn't fun

[@ark_knight]

@@mightyhadi6132 He wasnt just talking about 'PC gamers'. He said audience of DF. You are one of those superficial gamers arent you who talk about FPS and thump your chest?

[@AlphaladZXA]

@mustafa stoll because I like being here supporting digital foundry when I can man and maybe unintentionally triggering people 😉

[@awesome9174]

Anyone who understands how difficult it is to run real time ray tracing will respect this new technology. It's insane that we're actually at this point in graphics technology. But the price is also insane lol. I'll stick with my 1080ti for another gen or two before upgrading to an rtx card. 3080ti?

[@shwat_4]

This person can predict the future!

[@jimbo121]

Alex was a good hire for DF.

[@Clairvoyant81]

Thank you for being the only channel I know of that looks at DXR / RTX with some interest and insight instead of leaving it at "OMG it's so slow" or "sooo expensive!!!".

[@merritt2014]

People are being incredibly short sighted about ray tracing and its performance. The fact that it's coming out the gate with this decent of performance is incredible for a completely new graphics technology in games.

[@postscriptum8142]

They are new to gaming.

[@AustinAwsome]

Yeah I unfortunately see that a lot with any topic related to ray tracing in gaming. For some reason a lot of gamers don't understand how taxing in performance real time ray-tracing is, it's not an easy task whatsoever. Anyone who even knows a little bit about 3D rendering knows that this new technology is a marvel for realism in gaming, it's been around years in CG software (such as for CG effects and animation) but never to the extent of performance it's at now where doing it real-time is possible. I don't see any CG artists complaining about ray-tracing, so far the gaming consumers (gamers not developers) are the only community complaining about ray-tracing. I completely understand as of right know with the current RTX cards (2070, 2080, and 2080ti) getting 60FPS or higher on high settings even at 1080p never-mind 4K is difficult due to the lack of power on the GPUs but that is completely understandable on a technology this new in terms of gameplay performance (not tech demos which have done ray-tracing years before RTX). It is incredibly short-sighted an misinforming that so many people bash and are dismissive of ray-tracing simply because of the "low" performance of it in first-generation games. Digital Foundary within the video even stated that new breakthrough technologies have always had their share in hard-hitting performance even on high end components (i.e Crysis 1) but I guess no one either cared or understood the comparison from then to now. Being a graphics guy myself if I owned a RTX card I really wouldn't mind playing at 30 FPS if I could see how good the game looked, I love high frame-rates but sometimes I like to appreciate the details the developers put in their games and I don't mind sacrificing some frames for more detail, it's the same reason I have a 4K60Hz panel instead of a 1440p144Hz or 1080p240Hz monitor (I like detail more than fluidity, I don't play game competitively just casually). I completely understand not getting a current gen ray-tracing card, even with the low end being $499, it's currently not worth it for ray-traced gaming (also since there are so little ray-traced games), even the highest end RTX card doesn't play nice with performance at high resolutions such as 4K which are much more common nowadays. But that's what comes with being on the bleeding-edge of new technology, it's always extremely expensive to be ahead of the curve. Only 5-6 years ago 4K displays where common to be found at $500 or more, now it's not uncommon to see 4K monitors at $200 (sometimes less Used). So I honestly don't know where the hate towards ray-tracing comes from, yeah Nvidia hyped up RTX more than they should of but that's what marketing does, I don't know of any company that tells 100% honesty in marketing. That's just how marketing works, if you believe what companies are marking you, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[@pegasusdrive12]

Tomorrow's headline:- NASA finally able to run Battlefield 5 at 4K Ultra at 240fps with DXR set to ultra.

[@Totone56]

2007 all over again

[@rogerhalt3991]

"Finally" would mean they have been trying for a while but this is a new game. I think you mean to say, "Working for NASA is the only way to run Battlefield 5 at 4K Ultra at 240fps with DXR set to ultra"?

[@chrisperry5244]

Theve got to keep those CGI globes looking real somehow ;)

[@billschannel1116]

Thank you for the quality content that I cannot find anywhere else on KZbin. I appreciate your technical analysis in an area where people just want to hate. (Just look at this video's comments) With anything having to do with gaming graphics I specifically look toward Digital Foundry. Good Job as always.

[@soapa4279]

Awesome, been waiting for this full fat analysis on BF5.

[@DTWINING]

A true watershed moment in game graphics. I wonder if any of this can transfer into the next generation of consoles (as standard feature, done to a high level of quality) or if it's too late in their design . I fear the latter. Would be interesting to hear Digital Foundry's thoughts, even if it's to temper expectations.

[@ardi1606]

Xbox one X settings dynamic 4k 55-60 fps : Post processing = medium water = low ambient occlusion = SSAO terrain = medium effect = low-medium mesh settings = Medium lighting = Medium undergrowth = high screen space reflection = off

[@yanceyboyz]

Ardirestu Septiadi it’s not native 4K though. And has no screen space reflections.

[@ardi1606]

@@yanceyboyz yes it's dynamic and yes that too. i'll add it.

[@sarahsharon5357]

so it's not ultra like most plebbox fanboys claimed?

[@ardi1606]

@@sarahsharon5357 yess

[@mazzalean077]

@@sarahsharon5357 Lol Who claimed that😂😂 Most games run at medium settings, Except Forza 4 which runs at ultra.

[@Shozuki]

DXR looks great, I'm just waiting for the next batch of cards and more refinement. It's awesome - just not quite worth it yet...

[@igorthelight]

Agree.

[@satellite964]

Honestly the rain pooling and dripping for the wheel arch of the car is amazing.

[@nexter4202]

after watching the video: thank you Alex for another great analysis, also idk what people expected from the RTX performance. I'm kinda shocked to see it even running in real time

[@Xilefian]

One thing I noticed from consumers, which brings a smile to my face, is that people are pointing out how good screen-space reflections actually have been all this time. When you're running around and not focusing on reflective surfaces then screen-space really does work good enough. I was just writing about hybrid screen-space/world-space ray-marching and then your video started talking about it! I think this is where it will certainly go in the future.

[@Aggrofool]

Digital Foundry and Gamers Nexus are my favorite channels

[@jonathanwright1761]

I played this for about 50 hours on my vega 64 and it was good. Now im playing it on my 2080ti and the game is great. The rtx is amazing in this title. What a fantastic job they did with the implementation. Unreal

[@JeremyHansenblue2kid3]

I am convinced that DXR is as much the future as polygons have been since star fox snes

[@13Dread]

Amazing summary and explanation of differences with on/off DXR!

[@Theironlefty]

That body rolling and movement i think is dice being experienced from Mirrors edge series.

[@Chapperino]

That lamp *pop* had me in tears. Nice one Alex.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

Finally, actually nice looking reflections. Modern cube-maps/SSR look disgusting most of the time. But that performance and money cost...Damn. We will have to wait a generation or two of GPUs for it to become acceptable. But still, DXR is not another Gameworks or some shit like that. If you think that it is, then you have no clue about what real-time ray-tracing actually is.

[@igorthelight]

I agree.

[@alexatkin]

Especially as it's actually a DX12 feature. It just happens nvidia got the silicon to support it first. Amazing how many people don't seem to understand that.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

@@theavidgamer6213 That's why I said "most of the time". Not always. SSR looks pretty good only if there are no obstacles. But more often than not it's not the case. Reflection which is cut off in a middle looks disgusting to me. Water reflections in Half-Life 2 look on par with water reflections in modern games and that game is 14 years old.

[@Sp00kyFox]

there is also render-to-texture which Hitman 2 recently used for its reflections and it works rather well and isn't as demanding as RT. of course lightning itself doesn't improve but when it comes to reflections and performance it is a good compromise. costs more performance than SSR but definitely not as much as raytracing. too bad most games don't really make use of this technique.

[@AdadG]

Yes, is no another NVIDIAWorks: is worst... They are selling you a gimmick that anybody, except BFV uses, at exorbitant price and ridiculous performance.

[@ZachFoxPhotography]

Excellent video. I'm really excited about the future of ray tracing!

[@CasepbX]

I will probably buy this for the single player one day when it's $10.

[@alexatkin]

Especially if RTX will be more optimised by then.

[@colinpeng4560]

Don't do it. I've played bf5 for 35h. The single player is shit, completely trash. The mp is buggy , fun but buggy at the moment.

[@poglifeactual7936]

Lol. My thoughts exactly.

[@MrStrangermoon]

you dindt have to buy for singleplayer or multiplayer trial it have a trial but only allow to 2 or 3 levels probalaby. you cant play trial without origin Access its free trial that to but you need card information. comlate free trial ı think come to march like battlefield 1 did.

[@AztecUnshaven]

Lol, why on earth would you get a Battlefield game strictly for the single player? That's like buying a Super Mario game for the cinematic storytelling lol. Don't get me wrong, single player is a nice "bonus"... but for Battlefield, Multiplayer should ALWAYS be first priority.

[@selohcin]

DF helped me fall in love with gaming technology all over again. I mean, c'mon, just look at that intro! The entire first few minutes were a showcase of all the game has to offer. Ray-traced reflections, GPU-accelerated rain, snow, dust, and even blood, and rain drops that pool and drip realistically! GOSH, I never thought I'd see this stuff in a game.

[@Faithful-Preservation]

Really cool and good looking technology, but as a consumer you are really buying into a very experimental phase of it. Rarely any games currently support it and only the mst expensive graphics card in the world puts out a decent performance.

[@davewills6121]

Early Access, so to speak. where guinea pigs...with deep pockets.

[@Faithful-Preservation]

@@davewills6121 Pretty much yeah. Let's hope that with more optimisations and competition ray tracing features will become more of a standard in the future.

[@dushikorsou1]

plus you would need 1080p display to get decent performance with a the highest end card atm in the market

[@wile123456]

*only one game supports it

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

I have heard the word "Autumnal" zero times before about two months ago and now I hear it everywhere.

[@ardi1606]

RTX is maybe not worth it for now. But, it's a new step to the future of PC gaming. Today, they only implemented ray tracing for reflection only. Just wait what this technology can do in the future. I think not evem PS7 nor Xbox 4 will have this technology. I will stick to my gtx 1080 ti sli until 3080 ti come out.

[@AlexDisibio]

It's a new step, but it isn't the next step.

[@MrBillgonzo]

@@AlexDisibio I think it is the next step. With ray tracing, you also get more realistic shadows, significantly more accurate ambient occlusion, realistic transmission of light as well as the realistic reflections. This is what hardware developers and game designers have dreamed about for decades. This is the first step in taking a process that used to take hours or even days to render a single frame and making it a streamlined consumer product that can do the dame thing but at 60fps. It may not be what every gamer wants to see in terms of progression and focus, but the industry is going to be moving in this direction with out a doubt. The implications of real time ray tracing stretch beyond the gaming market. It may not be a practical thing for consumers to buy today, but it will definitely be a focus for the future. And when it becomes fully implemented, we wont be able to imagine playing games without it.

[@NexGenTek]

RTX IS PURE TRASH

[@treybyrd3332]

@@NexGenTek one of the few times i can agree with you. I'm not saying that because I prefer AMD.

[@ardi1606]

@@NexGenTek for now it might be seems too rushed. But, it's not trash. Someone needs to start the new technology or we will stuck like this forever. Ray tracing is the fututre of PC gaming, just wait what this technology can do with texture and volumetric. With Ray Tracing in the future we might see litteraly real life graphics in the games. While xbox4 and ps7 maybe will stuck with cartoonish graphics.

[@DavidMartins]

Honestly, you're the best voice of DF these days. You focus on what's important, you don't give in to petty nitpicking and your voice is a treat to the senses. I think SWBFII would have been a better guinea pig for reflection-based RT as the game is full of shiny reflective surfaces. BFV should have taken the METRO Exodus approach of using RT for global illumination instead. Let's see the coming games, what they'll do with the tech.

[@Max86421]

Nice! Mind blowing graphics...

[@Piggy991]

And crappy singleplayer campaign. Yay!

[@MrQuicheProductions]

1:38 Can we talk about that shovel in the down left corner of the screen

[@goodinsrt8]

RTX isn't woke enough to handle BFV's ray tracing.

[@MunkeyChips]

RTX gotta pump up those numbers

[@goodinsrt8]

@Ernie Pretorius lol

[@trix3868]

392Muscle rtx need to hit the gym, no offence, it needs to curl bfv by next year

[@ryanbrowning5586]

OMG...another person using the word "woke", like its a political movement. WOW..original lol

[@ItsYa165]

rtx is fine if you spend £2400

[@jesusurrabieta9700]

It is so refreshing to see someone talking about the first big leap in graphical technology in years in terms of what a big thing it is instead of focusing on "Oh, I can't do 4k/60fps? F*** it!!" Raytracing is the answer to everithing that has bother me for years about games. Those false cubemap reflections and screen reflections uggg! Thanks for existing.

[@finmat95]

This is the graphic that i've always wanted to see

[@Final_Dan]

Been waiting for this video since BF 5 Ray tracing came out! thanks guys fantastic work as always.

[@jonathanxdoe]

Yes! This is a great technology to have in an empty server!

[@RazorEdgeBullie]

Have you not been able to find a game? I get matched almost instantly.

[@UlyssesM]

@@RazorEdgeBullie I think he's talking about performance. RTX looks great but the fps drops people are reporting are too high. So he's implying that RTX is only worth it on an empty server.

[@RazorEdgeBullie]

@@UlyssesM Gotcha. Carry on then mate. Sorry.

[@jonathanxdoe]

@@UlyssesM Jokes are not meant to be explained XD

[@hookster8179]

The review is excellent, thanks for the 4k input which should be the level for a card at this price. Thanks for staying away from other reviewers view of this card should be ever considered an average gamer card. Thanks for taking the time and effort to highlight such analysis your effort can't be more appreciated. Digital Foundry double thumbs ups and shares. Did I say thanks?

[@arcticridge]

I'm going to be disappointed if you don't mention frame pacing issues in this video, because this has been a nightmare to resolve in every battlefield game

[@cmdrflint9115]

I've never noticed frametimes to be worse in battlefield then any other game, but I do tend to run with vsync, I guess if you run unlocked it may cause issues.

[@awesome9174]

Maybe my g sync is preventing it... but I've noticed no frame pacing issues on PC at ultra 4k 60 fps.

[@halthhart8373]

One thing I've not seen mentioned anywhere really is the potential impact of ray tracing on VR where it's a huge step up. When you have two view ports which both need to be accurate, the "tricks" that have been used for years just don't really work well anymore. RTX as it's currently being used wont completely fix the issues, but it's a major step in the right direction. As an example, take a look at the old vireio issues with getting Skyrim running in VR. The short version, there were some really nasty problems with shadows. Note: This isn't a "it wasn't designed for VR" issue in any real sense, it's a "we use hacks for things like shadows so they run fast" issue. The same applies for lighting, reflection, and shadows for every game I can think of. We've come up with a lot of clever hacks for all sorts of things, but when you try and apply them to VR they often look horrible. The next big graphics push will end up requiring better ray tracing or path tracing, and a massive increase in poly/tri counts.

[@DarkKitarist]

Nice! Someone playing without a HUD! The way it's meant to be played tbh. Any game that enables me to disable the hud is excellent! Especially games like metro on the highest difficulty.

[@HEADSHOTPROLOL]

Yeah well Metro is actually designed around that (which I love). Same goes for the Mirrors Edge games, Dead Space and I believe recently even Red Dead 2. However if a game isn't designed for it (which always sucks since I adore a minimum amount of HUD) even if the option exists it can be kinda difficult to play it :/

[@The_Madhatter666]

The first half of the vid is the best ad for this game I've seen so far. You almost made me think about buying it, lol

[@Luke29121999]

I was waiting for this!

[@Kira-qc4qi]

Alex, your analysis is here a few days after most of the other big outlets, but it's quite clearly the most thorough and insightful of the whole bunch. Great work as always

[@T00muchF00Dchannel]

Release the Snyder cut

[@paiv4256]

😂😂😂

[@stevejohnson130]

@adam burke unexpected? You mean repetitive?

[@SabatSch95]

Snyder is a terrible filmmaker.

[@codyjochim]

i enjoyed this. it made me laugh

[@vasum2422]

yes please

[@wrmusic8736]

Raytracing warms my PC gamer's heart. Yes first-gen tech runs like crap and costs too high - but it was the same every time a revolutionary feature happened. Voodoo1 with its first consumer 3D acceleration, GeForce 3Ti with its programmable shaders, Radeon 9700 with its DX9/Pixel Shader 2 implementation (not to mention GeForce FX), hardware tessellation of DX11 that obliterated Radeons that first implemented it. But all those are now so common in games and your modern mid-range GPU wouldn't even call any of those a challenge nowadays.

[@Ablequerq]

1000$ for 35 fps lmao.

[@TheMursk]

4k has always been for casual gamers

[@animespicykiller1955]

@@TheMursk 144p/120fps low settings ftw

[@holymolys7692]

That’s how much per FPS lol

[@micheleevangelista130]

You know you can turn off ray tracing, right?

[@Icureditwithmybrain]

I've seen RTX 2080 TI's selling for $1,600.

[@jimmymac3980]

An extremely well-presented video, you guys are obviously very passionate about the work you do. Full of good points and you understand that not everyone is tech-minded - presented in such a way for all to benefit from your analysis. I am not tech savvy but really appreciate your work. Keep up the great work, thanks guys.

[@WybremGaming]

Seems like RTX is not educated enough for Battlecuck V.

[@koz_iorus1954]

I was searching for exactly that kind of analysis of dxr! Thanks!

[@CountDantesEdmond]

The graphics of this game are incredible. And blind people keep saying they are equal to BF1

[@trix3868]

CountDantesEdmond you mean because of rtx

[@mattyork7625]

If you're playing on a $2,000 rig. Yes. For the 1% that get to experience this it will look better. If you're playing on console it's not going to look much better at all. I think that's where most of the comparisons are coming from

[@mrratchet]

​@Accretion Disk Did you watch the video? Xbox One X runs at Medium settings and there are noticeable differences between Xbox One Medium and PC Ultra, with rain being one of the most obvious ones. Alex even tells you and lists the *exact* Xbox One X settings near the end of the video.

[@JayJapanB]

@Accretion Disk He literally did a comparison in the video. As compared to BF1, it depends. Sinai desert still looks fucking amazing. Biggest issue with BFV is they went even more overboard on contrast. They need to dial it back.

[@griffgames9538]

@@mrratchet After all, there are no Xbox One X games. There are only Xbox One X patches. These are all base Xbox One games getting patched for the X. The Pro and X do not have their own exclusive libraries. They are and always will be, fundamentally, slaves to the base spec. And both the X and Pro are niche mid-gen consoles, never intended to replace or supplant the hugely better selling, lower-powered/mainstream base consoles.

[@Lewis360]

Alex's first 4k video!

[@victorio681]

La tecnología RTX en un juego como Battlefield importa una mierda. En un juego tipo aventura gráfica o puzzles donde te pares a mirar los escenarios detenidamente entonces sí cobrará importancia.

[@TexelGuy]

Remember, in the interview DICE said they weren't even using the tensor cores for denoising the ray traced reflections, that could be a HUGE performance boost since the CUDA cores don't have to anti-alias the shit out of noisy ray traced outputs created by the RT cores. They also said another optimization could help increase framerate up to 30%. Clearly those optimizations haven't been implemented because this is basically the same performance we saw at the nvidia conference where they showed the demo of this game running with RTX.

[@alger-y3q]

RTXON=FPSOFF

[@SimonStewart75]

Just like Mr Miyagi told us.

[@wayneshepherd9635]

Wonderfully balanced argument on the sensational graphical upgrades new world tech provides...oh how quick we are to forget the performance of yester-years bleeding edge titles. Great work.

[@aterikasedi]

DXR pop-in wtf

[@greatbudda]

1:25 that plane though

[@user-ht7cz4uy7n]

Despite RTX, BFV is so beautiful

[@davewills6121]

Yeah, its a good looker.

[@carlosmagnomacieira8210]

Finally you did it!!!! You made it clear what are the corresponding graphic preset of the console version on the pc...please do that with all games and all platforms (ps4, xone, ps4 pro and xone x(which you did))...And please comment about those ground pop ups...rocks and sand...that are really distracting during gameplay

[@Jpilgrim30]

Why do people think that a new way of rendering things is going to have some kind of amazing performance on the first hardware that’s capable of even doing it? Ray tracing is the future and at least Nvidia are working towards making it a reality. Of course it’s going to be a resource hog just look at the difference it makes! How long did it take to get to where we’re at with the current way of doing things? Cards will get better with ray tracing, devs will get better at using it, and games will continue to look better and better for it.

[@ZeroB4NG]

I am going to sell you a car. A Self Driving Car that costs 50% more than your regular car. There is just still one problem with it that will be fixed in future versions of course, but we are investing in the future, so please support us, for now your self driving car while it is driving on its own is driving HALF the speed limit of any street you are currently on. Of course you can disable the self driving bit and drive at the proper speed yourself, but hey you are going to be the FIRST with a self driving car, don't be mad at all the regular drivers behind you, they are just honking at you because they are jealous, not because they want to go faster! ...and this is the part where the customer tells me to go fuck myself.

[@alexatkin]

@@ZeroB4NG Not the same as with PC gaming the technology ALWAYS has to come to the consumer before developers feel it worth spending time and money on. It's kinda obvious if you think about it.

[@Honeypot-x9s]

how is this the first card that can do ray tracing in real time? AMD demoed real time ray tracing over a decade ago with a RadeonRays demo on the HD 4XXX series cards. it used compressed voxels because of vram limitations but otherwise it did it

[@Jpilgrim30]

ZeroB4NG I’m not selling anyone shit. I’m saying people can’t expect a new way of rendering that takes a lot of compute power to run as easily as a way that’s been refined for generations. People piss and moan over the performance being reduced. That’s because their is a lot more detail and computation going on. Of course it’s going to hurt performance just like every other graphical breakthrough that’s happened over the years.

[@wile123456]

@@Jpilgrim30 because nvidai should have waited a few years till their gimmick technology was mature enough. They literally makes it the main selling point of their gpu. That is the expectations NVIDIA SET. You are complaining about expectations Nvidia set. They didn't show benchmarks at reveal. They didn't say "it's not gonna perform great".they just said "it just works" get some fucking context in your mind and understand why consumers are unimpressed. They were Given false expectations and the last thing you should do is defend the context surrounding the technology when it nothing but hurts consumer rights and prices

[@EladLavyUzan]

Awesome video!

[@nhkk2893]

Gamenotworks

[@kmnoname810]

NVIDIOTS

[@tubreduredutub9343]

Hey, at least it isn't Another Mediocre Device -- GPU.

[@trix3868]

Tubredu Redutub shoo..

[@ThePortableTornado]

980ti still giving me good performance at 1440p in most games. The tech here is AMAZING for sure! Its crazy looking back and seeing just how far graphics technology has come over the years. I'll probably wait until the next generation of GPU's before upgrading, but damn is this impressive!

[@DJSolidiidx]

15:36 XONE ONE X :D

[@MunkeyChips]

That's a console for ya. Better off buying a used office PC with an i5 and slapping a GTX 1060 or RX 570 in it.

[@TorreyCTX]

Thank you so much

[@vandammage1747]

ButtHurts so salty he's playing the sub 1440p protato version

[@fabiank4396]

This looks so amazing! Unglaublich. Even the battlefield soundtrack at the end is bad ass

[@markoratkovic9611]

Are you kiddin me? Why would i use this? Just why? 1. Its not noticable because of intense gameplay 2. Its perfomance killer, i mean like really.... killer

[@amoschiang7242]

You heard it here first! This game is properly LIT!

[@gamingchannel-gh2wh]

These prices for these rtx cards is ridiculous.. I paid 900 plus for a rtx 2080 😂😂😂 God dayum. Where's amd when you need them!!!!

[@34sld]

Working on getting PS5s Navi out the door, the first console with AMD Ray tracing.

[@GoobyBuzz]

People like you is the reason why they escape criticism from releasing half assed products. You keep buying, they keep selling

[@tubreduredutub9343]

@@34sld Almost no chance the console GPUs will have ray tracing. AMD themselves said they aren't going to implement it until it's available at all price points, and the development of the chip that will be used for the PS5 is allegedly already far into development. Highly unlikely either MS or Sony will implement DRX.

[@justinwong939]

The ps5 will not get raytracing in the slightest

[@TheWeeky]

Probably another generation or 2 after that, maybe then we will see raytracing on consoles. That's if they want to get more than 20 fps in it, ofc

[@omgawesomeomg]

These detailed Tech Analyses are excellent and I love how passionate Alex is about graphics. Keep doing what you're doing DF, I haven't found anything that comes close on KZbin.

[@kenshii_jim]

-Im going to be so immersed with ray tracing, its like real life! -But wait, why is real life in such low fps?

[@igorthelight]

Your solder is probably on drugs! :-)

[@doritos1081]

When you are drunk you see in low fps xd

[@rodmunch69]

High end monitors in 2007 were running 2560x1600, I know, because I had one. To power that monster, which is twice the resolution for 1080p, I was running either a triple or quad SLI/Crossfire setup, and still would rarely get to 60fps.

[@wile123456]

For you that wanna save time: Paritcle effects are more impressive, runs better and available to anyone unlike overhyped RTX

[@NukeMyHouse]

That was literally not the point of the video whatsoever, but okay.

[@HEADSHOTPROLOL]

@@NukeMyHouse nah but it's the truth tho.

[@NukeMyHouse]

only to people that don't understand what they're looking at

[@wile123456]

@@NukeMyHouse no only to everyone. Particle effects are more noticeable and impactful for the overall asteathic. RTX reflection are not used in any meaningful way and are just an improvement over screen's pace reflections and cube maps, but to an extent that isn't that noticeable during gameplay. But the snow and rain that is lit or the leaves, is really something amazing and what more games should use, especially because it doesn't reduce your framerate by 4x. Also digital foundry are the only ones overhyped about RTX in the tech KZbin scene and it's quite hilarious to see the Nvidia fanboys flock here as the last bastion of defense

[@NukeMyHouse]

So, you're proving you don't know what you're talking about. Sure, yes, particle effects are more noticeable in general gameplay. And they're pretty impressive, I do admit. But raytracing is literally on a whole other level. The implementation is not that great (reflections? really? why not GI or shadows, instead) but that doesn't take away from the fact that we're doing ray tracing in real time, and not on some extremely arbitrary effect. That was an insane dream even just a couple of years ago. And whether you like it or not, ray tracing is only going to be more and more used as time goes on.

[@lil----lil]

I don't play B5. But your level-headed analysis was extremely enlighten and fun to watch. U got yourself a new fan today.

[@Naentertainment-yn7uu]

visually stunning, the immersion is breathtaking! I have tears in my eyes every time I... wow...W..T..F..!! is it me? or there is a woman who has just screamed.. I NEED TO RELOAD!!!... on the battlefild... 😮

[@kraenk12]

Awesome analysis Alex. Top Job Digger!

[@KingMatiCBeats]

Best looking battlefield game no doubt. The details and animation are awesome. Game play is smooth, hit detection on point. So far this game is what i wanted to be playing. Dont sleep on this game because of women because call of duty been having women and no one ever said a god dam thing, games are to have fun not to argue over for.

[@miggies8140]

Because woman arent portrayed as the heroes in bo4 And Activision did not tell us to not buy the game

[@miggies8140]

@Subi_fan this has been the most imovstive cod yet The new health system .the new bullet system Zombies has been completely changed .campaign removed .blackout added.supplydorp system changed Bf5 is litteraly BF1 reskinned

[@KingMatiCBeats]

@@miggies8140 its just a game bro

[@KingMatiCBeats]

@Subi_fan this game is better than BF1

[@chinogambino9375]

@@KingMatiCBeats Its just a shit game.

[@Whizzer]

1080p monitors were very uncommon when Crysis came out. PC widescreen monitors were mostly 16:10 back then.

[@Schizm1]

So RTX is buggy, unstable, costs HUGE amount of performance and requires graphic card for around 1000USD... Yeah, I'm good with SSR for now on 1440p, 144fps

[@igorthelight]

All new technology is like that at the beginning.

[@alexatkin]

Where in the video was it unstable? Also the GAME has a buggy implementation, not RTX itself.

[@Schizm1]

@Igor Sandu that's why AMD approach seems to be better. Focus on new tech when it's ready to be introduced in all price ranges. Nvidia pushing RTX so hard right now is marketing move. NOTHING more. Especially when 4k/1440p gameplay with smooth fps is finally here. (yeah, I know AMD is still silent about new gen. of their cards)

[@Schizm1]

@Alex Atkin When 1000USD graphic card can't hold stable 60fps at 4k with RTX on. I don't give a s**t about yet another explanation from big company about "work in progress" or "buggy implementation". Fact is that brand new graphic card that is expensive as hell can't produce stable framerate in 4k because it's displaying what is, at it's core, fancy reflections. It's NOT okey. But hey! It's just me. Feel free to spend 1000USD on 2080ti (I actually mean that - What people do with their money is not my business. For me it's just ridiculous)

[@JayJapanB]

@@Schizm1 I dunno, bro. DXR is some pretty dope shit.

[@SDAspra]

That such a detailed technical analysis (on any subject) could be available to the public for free is just mind-boggling. What an epic video 👍

[@cmdrflint9115]

Too grainy and still exhibits the same artefacts as screen space reflections, not impressed.

[@dhgmrz17]

@Subi_fan Its like when VR started out, it wasn't all that impressive and running anything more than Minecraft graphics destroyed your hardware and even now VR hasn't fully matured yet.

[@JayJapanB]

@@dhgmrz17 DXR has a simpler adoption hurdle than VR has. The implementation hurdle is also smaller. It's a rendering method, not a fundamental change in game design.

[@Xyno76]

its nice to see them program Ultra settings for this game for ray tracing so when we refine and have better GPUs that have more power in them, we can get good FPS with good detail in the future :D

[@robertt9342]

Still pretty impressively run on the xbx

[@tipoomaster]

I'd definitely pick 1440p or lower with ray tracing over 4K. I've thought since the mid gen consoles that we were trying to go to 4K way too early when things could look much better at then-current resolutions, 1440p for high end PCs or better 1080p for the mid gen consoles.

[@animespicykiller1955]

Xbox one X is 399 and get compared against a pc with a 2000 price tag. But yet, it does 4K/60FPS. Beside that pro is just a waste of money

[@yanceyboyz]

And an original Xbox one does 1080p 60fps for a quarter of the price of a one x, what’s your point? Which game does the one x do native 4K 60fps on?

[@TheLoucM]

The one X perform exactly the same as the 200$ GPU thats in it... so whats your point ?

[@mylittlesony1499]

Apollo Sun this comment hurt to read not gonna lie

[@IntoTheAbyss98]

Xbox One X running at dynamic 4k, and a mix of settings of medium and low. Dips below 60 fps.

[@IntoTheAbyss98]

@Raios Rogue what we are trying to point out is that you're trying to compare a $2500 PC to your Xbox. A lot of Xbox fan boys like to think they're getting similar results to a PC, however, in reality, you're getting what you paid for. Low to mid tier spec'd machine that can't run at true 4K and at ultra settings. And yes, I could build a PC for $500. Easy. Buy an optiplex 790 with an i5 2400 (which is considerably better than the CPU in the Xbox), 8GB of RAM, and a 500GB hard dribe for $100. Buy a new power supply for $40. RX 580 8GB for $140. And if we want to take into account the $60 extra dollars you're pay for online, you could have $80 to spare on a good Keyboard and mouse. This PC would be able to run at similar settings at 4k as your Xbox. Or, drop the resolution to 1800p since that's what the Xbox one X runs at mostly.

[@Triple88a]

This is a stepping stone for Ray Tracing. 3 years ago NVidia came out with DSR.. At that point, just about no one had 4k screens but DSR allowed us to render the game at 4k and downsample it to 1080p to get better graphics and now 3 years later 4k is the standard. Ray Tracing is no different.

[@Ennebi180]

This PlayStation 6 tech look awesome...

[@kraenk12]

PS5 will most likely feature ray tracing.

[@princegroove]

I’m about to pick up a Rtx 2080 on Black Friday and I cannot wait to play this game.

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

Really don't care about RTX. Graphics are reaching a point where I don't care about games looking better. One of my favorite games of this gen is Breath of the Wild and graphically that game looks weak compared BattleShill 5. And yet, I have 150+ hours clocked on that game till now and I won't even touch an EA game with a 100 feet pole. What I care about is games being more interactive. Games like Breath of the Wild and Red Dead 2. Where players can interact with almost anything. Games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided where AI is decent, mechanics are solid, storyline is great and level design is sublime. I am even willing to look past shitty micro-transactions in that game simply because its THAT good.

[@GraveUypo]

to me that point was last gen. i don't need games to look better than gears of war 3 does. i welcome improvement, but you won't see me complain about graphics.

[@ark_knight]

So why are you here? Just to suffer?

[@veduci22]

If you don't care about graphics but love the interactive game mechanics you will love playing Dwarf Fortress...

[@AlexDisibio]

The big 3 improvements needed right now are improved interactivity with the world as mentioned, better animations, and killing pop-in.

[@kingalistair3326]

And yet mankind divided isn't even worth mentioning in the same sentence with one of the 10 best games of all time,the OG deus ex.

[@Reason4Termination]

Optimistic as usual. Digital Foundry is the good guys of the gaming-tech industry.