4K Gamer Pro - Play your Switch & Retro Games in 4K on Original Hardware! PS3, PS4, XBOX360/ONE etc

[@wobblingpixels3921]

Some important notes and my final thoughts: 1. Watch the video in 4K and full screen ;-) 2. The 4K Gamer Pro does his job better than the Mclassic IMO as long you like sharp scale and don't miss any kind of smoothing filter. Most importantly it provides three different selectable levels of enhancement, so some control to fit your preference. It doesn't change the saturation or overexpose the image to an extent as the mclassic does. As a fan of sharp pixels with 3D games above 240p I think it's a great option for HDMI video game consoles as Retrotink5x PRO owners. Switch and retro games with any kind of anti-aliasing or soft filter e.x. bloom, interpolation is where the 4K Gamer Pro shines the most. For example original XBOX games., PS3, XBOX 360 games etc. BTW you can combine the 4K sharp output with the Retrotink5xx smoothing filter. This unit was provided by 4K Gamer Pro team. The video represents my honest opinion and I think it's quite balanced. 3. Increasing shaprness on your TV and using 4K Gamer Pro is not the same. 4. The 4K Gamer Pro DOES work with the Mclassic out of the box! Is it worth it? I let you decide: twitter.com/WobblingP/status/1536419203376467969 This way you could also use the 4K Gamer Pro with the OSSC: OSSC -> Mclassic -> 4K Gamer Pro. 5. Most 4K capture cards adds some compression to 4K footage including mine. So the difference between 4K and 1080p should be (slightly) more pronounced than in this video. Nevertheless I think the video showcases the noticeable difference quite well. 6. Check the video description where to get the 4K Gamer Pro.

[@DrLilo]

"Something something TVs artificial sharpness setting..."

[@wobblingpixels3921]

@@DrLilo I think I should have mentioned it. Increasing shaprness on your TV and using 4K Gamer Pro will not result in the same shaprness and image quality.

[@drac6838]

When you say Mclassic and 4k gamer pro are not compatible, does that mean both ways? PS3 to Mclassic (1080p) to 4k Gamer pro doesn't work?

[@wobblingpixels3921]

@@drac6838yes

[@drac6838]

@@wobblingpixels3921 aww too bad. There are many great games on the PS3 that are only 720p so that's very unfortunate.

[@bowi1332]

I can't wait for 4K scalers from Mike Chi and PixelFX!

[@kamarrawlings6285]

It’s a shame how 240p and 480p get no love from TV’s or these devices nowadays smh.

[@lechistanskiswit320]

Hey! Will it work with Ps5/Xbox SeriesX? Often games got 1080p performance modes nowadays :D. It makes Ps4pro from base Ps4. Next generation will be devices like that with frame generation XD.

[@jons9356]

IMO the sharpening unpleasantly emphasizes all the jagged edges in low-rez 3D, and the halos mar 2D. However, it's starting to look compelling in the PS4 content, and it at least does produce better quality sharpening than you're likely to see through the TV's menu setting.

[@JMLRetroRoom]

Reminds me of how the PSP looks on the PSP’s screen the way it enhances the aliasing. It needs a gradual smoothing filter applied to each enhancement step. They’re also limiting their potential customers with the 4K. I for one would need to upgrade everything to capture 4K. TV, capture device, HDMI splitter, Multiviewer, HDMI selector etc are all 1080p. Mind you I capture without a computer which is only used to upload. It’s enhancements should start at 1080p where you see a noticeable difference without the need for 4K. With my setup I bet I could get it to work with the mClassic, I just can’t use it since I don’t above 1080p.

[@symphony137]

@@JMLRetroRoom But this device only accepts 1080p. You can't scale 1080p to 1080p, so I'm not sure I understand your point.

[@JMLRetroRoom]

@@symphony137 If it had sharpening and smoothing features for 1080p.

[@BOXING_LOUNGE]

@@symphony137 actually the mcable / mclassic will 'enhance' a 1080p source at 1080p

[@Sa2si28]

It's a shame that the mClassic is not compatible to reduce post-4K aliasing. I hope they can make it compatible! Great video anyway !

[@wobblingpixels3921]

Looks like the 4K Gamer Pro DOES work with the Mclassic out of the box: twitter.com/WobblingP/status/1536419203376467969

[@Sa2si28]

@@wobblingpixels3921 Yeaaaah that's good news !! However, the configuration "Console > 4k Gamer Pro > Mclassic" would not be better than "Console > Mclassic > 4K Gamer Pro" in order to have the anti-aliasing treatment directly on the final output ?

[@ericko777]

@@Sa2si28 Only works in this order. Console > Mclassic > 4k gamer, 4k TV. The Mcclassic bypasses 4k resolution and the 4k pro requires 1080p resolution to work.

[@Phantron]

@@Sa2si28 with the mClassic > 4K GP order you can also upscale from 480p to 4K which is insane

[@Sa2si28]

@@Phantron Yes I saw that it's amazing ! I can't wait to see what the next models will give !

[@OwtDaftUK]

When it comes to HD games i prefer a smoother AA output and standard definition i prefer no AA what so ever, but there are some HD games that are just too blury like Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I just hope I get it before Xenoblade Chronicles 3 comes out because that's the main reason i want it. I like the fact it makes PS2/DC/Xbox/GC generation even more pixel sharp.

[@RibbonPL]

It looks worse? Like applying too much sharpness on tv.

[@100Bucks]

Even tho it's not necessary but I use this thing on a PC. You would have to use display port instead of the HDMI port. The main reason, you want everything on the PC to be 1080p. Using any display port it's locked on 1080p. Also doing it this way, the games don't have to be 1080p. Just leave GPU Scaling on in PC options. You can play a game in 720p full screen so it scales up to 1080p and then upscales to 4k with the device. I watch 720p movies on my PC. 720p scales up to 1080p. Then upscales to 4k with device.

[@RitaMaSTeR]

Interesting, I would love to watch a mClassic direct competition

[@wobblingpixels3921]

Looks like the 4K Gamer Pro DOES work with the Mclassic out of the box: twitter.com/WobblingP/status/1536419203376467969

[@WednesdayMan]

the 4k gamer pro only works with a 1080p signal, so if you're upscaling anything below 1080p you gotta have an upscaler for this upscaler (which the mcable and mclassic are good for with HDMI sources) unlike my 4k TV which can upscale a wider variety of resolutions on its own and provide results comparable to an mclassic.

[@MrRetrostage]

No 4K screen available. So everything looks the same. 😅

[@OneMore1UP]

It would be interesting to see the results of daisy chain a mClassic with the 4K Gamer Pro

[@wobblingpixels3921]

mclassic and 4K Gamer Pro are not compatible!

[@OneMore1UP]

@@wobblingpixels3921 Ah great, thanks for info

[@hamsterwolf]

This video was very helpful thank you. I've been trying to figure out how 360 games look on this but all anyone seems to want to talk about is Nintendo switch which doesn't really help me.

[@chronomagus]

I don't own a Retrotink5x nor will I probably get one of these. I'm mixing my setups with OSSC, mClassic and Extron DSC HD-HD 4K Plus (also got a Framemeister but not using that much anymore). OSSC for the line-doubling, mClassic for the smoothing and further scaling to 1440p, then Extron for that last bit of scaling to 4K. Personally not too much of a fan of sharp scaling, I mean you nearly always see smoothing in visually upped emulators right (e.g. 3DS)? Only thing that I'm bummed out about is that little bit of oversaturation the mClassic produces as you mentioned.. is there anything I can do about that? Do you think 4K Gamer Pro would still be worth it? Love all your vids, cheers!

[@wobblingpixels3921]

There is nothing you can do about the overexposed image of the mclassic expect playing with the tv settings.

[@ZootWorld1]

@@wobblingpixels3921 I haven't noticed any overexposing of the image when I fed a 1080p source into a 1080p TV. I think as long as you keep the resolution the same going into the mClassic and the same going into the display, the mClassic will only do its anti-aliasing and nothing else.

[@ZootWorld1]

Try to feed your 4k scaled Extron image into the mClassic instead, it won't do any of its terrible scaling and instead should give you a nice anti-aliased image.

[@linuxlover_8436]

@@wobblingpixels3921 is oversaturation a result of more color compression after upscaling? just trying to understand this stuff b/c I've seen seen new pc monitor tech where this seems to be the case. It make me wonder why do manufacturers bother to up the resolution if the colors will look worse.

[@chronomagus]

@@ZootWorld1 I appreciate that but I'd like my final output to be 4K, and the mClassic is capped at 1440p.

[@or2130]

I ran into issues with the OG xbox, im using the chimeric adapter, once I combined both the mclassic and 4Kpro the picture goes black

[@italol7184]

Thanks for the vídeo, I have Bitfunx hdmi upscaler to 1080p using in gamecube, this photofast is compatible?

[@RodMurray777]

Great Video keep up the good work

[@OGSERB]

Great video! I also prefer a sharper image, unless the jaggies get out of control. Everything looked great, except for maybe the N64. Didn’t seem like much of a difference. Was there a deblur patch applied?

[@victorromero8010]

Hi. The Nintendo Switch games I play the most are Super Smash Bros Ultimate and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Which 4KGP settings would you recommend for those games, and if I were to combine with the mClassic, what should the hookup configuration look like?

[@wobblingpixels3921]

Just try all settings and see which you like. I prefer medium. Switch -> mclassic > 4k pro gamer -> TV

[@OneMore1UP]

Could you compare the black 4K Gamer Pro with the red 4K Gamer+ on the highest mode on both?

[@McGreish]

This is awesome. Shows well how anything below 720p doesn't really seem to get any improvement for this. Makes sense they are looking to upscale 1080p, bare minimum is probably an already upscaled 720p to 1080p. Im excited to see this perform, more so if you manage to get an Steam Deck@720p60 > mcable/mClassic > 4k Gamer Pro > TV. Maybe a lot of games would benefit at native 1080p since the deck could do that. Though I plan to mess around with this to try get an appealing result. Not sure if using a mcable, mClassic and 4k Gamer Pro successfully together would cause it to look worse or not though but I think the mcable / 4k Gamer Pro would probably go quite well.

[@WednesdayMan]

I think using an mclassic with the 4k gamer pro would lead to similar results as the mcable.

[@100Bucks]

I don't think the steam deck needs the Mclassic. I'm just assuming this because I use this device on a PC. All I gotta do is lock the PC on a 1080p display and leave GPU Scaling turned on. Then I could run games in 720p. 720p will scale up to 1080p because I left GPU Scaling turned on. Then from there 1080p upscales to 4k. Mclassic is not necessary, just leave GPU Scaling on.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

Very impressive!

[@Mastersaifer]

Thank you for doing this. I see in your description the mClassic and 4KGP are not compatible, but what if you have something in between, like an HDMI downscaler, or an EDID enforcer that will tell the mClassic to output 1080p? I was doing this by accident for the past year on my 4K Samsung TV and was always frustrated why I wasn't getting my full 1440p upscale. Now the idea of keeping or downscaling the mClassic to 1080p on purpose sounds fascinating to me when used in conjunction with this device, since I actually like the looks of both. I think I have a fetish for scalers...

[@wobblingpixels3921]

I have not tried to use an edid manager. Good idea.

[@Mastersaifer]

@@wobblingpixels3921 by extension, you COULD also do something like Wii for example goes into RetroTink 5X just for the HDMI conversion while staying at 480p (idk if the Wii2HDMI can do this too since I don't have one). mClassic takes your 480p HDMI signal and upscales it to 1080p (EDID limited) so it has a lot of room to work with. THEN the 4KGP takes it to 4K sharply from there. I backed this thing after Bob's video and I can't wait to get my hands on it for crazy setups like this lol.

[@wobblingpixels3921]

@@Mastersaifer mclassic and 4k gamer pro are not compatible

[@Mastersaifer]

@@wobblingpixels3921 right, but with the EDID controller in between, how would either device know?

[@wobblingpixels3921]

@@Mastersaifer yes that might work if you set the correct edid.

[@Garbagehead5]

Yo WP, have you heard of the new Wii2HDMIs produced by Electron Shepherd? On Reddit they're being touted as better than the generic ones, but no one's done a proper video capture comparison to back those claims up.

[@wobblingpixels3921]

never heard of it.

[@ZakkTheMakk]

Which Wii2HDMi 1080P adapter did you use?

[@wobblingpixels3921]

www.amazon.de/-/en/HDMI-Beamer-Monitor-Converter-Stick/dp/B006NXZ9BS

[@bombjack1984]

Don't most decent 4K TVs already have good 1080p scaling? It's scaling from lower resolutions that they're generally bad at.

[@wobblingpixels3921]

AFAIK most TVs don't apply sharp scale. I also tried to recreate the same image quality with my LG OLED TV by increasing sharpness and contrast but I couldn't.

[@dimitrios0072]

@@wobblingpixels3921 sony are the masters of scaling

[@wobblingpixels3921]

@@dimitrios0072 not with the ps3 ;)

[@symphony137]

@@dimitrios0072 I agree, I have a Sony tv and 1080p stuff look awesome on it. It starts to get more blurry at 720p, which I personally like for PS1 games when they're 3D (3x scale). I think when you have a recent Sony 4K tv, there's barely any need for this device. Of course I can't speak for all models, the cheaper ones may have crappy scalers...

[@linuxlover_8436]

@@symphony137 we own a xbr-x900e which is about 4 years old and it is great. I was shocked how different Street Fighter 4 on steam appeared compared to our pc monitors using my main pc. which has an 8GB RX 570. It looked like it it might have been using variable refresh or adaptive sync but I didn't look into it since it was just a test and didn't keep the PC there. We got the tv after researching those that would allow best upconversion of mostly DVD content we own or rent. I can only imagine and hope that the newer Sony tv's are even better.

[@Waifu4Life]

It doesn't do enough IMO to justify the price. If it could do better AA, it would be more tempting.

[@gordyowl9455]

Does that thing have stereo sound?

[@wobblingpixels3921]

??? its hdmi to hdmi.

[@BaronStVon]

Thanks for the quality review as always. What capture card do you use and/or recommend, by the way?

[@wobblingpixels3921]

Not an expert on capture cards ;)

[@gregorybolivar1876]

No 720p input and no OSSC compatibility makes this almost useless.

[@wobblingpixels3921]

Looks like the 4K Gamer Pro DOES work with the Mclassic out of the box: twitter.com/WobblingP/status/1536419203376467969 This way you could also use the 4K Gamer Pro with the OSSC: OSSC -> Mclassic -> 4K Gamer Pro.

[@djm9937]

Too jaggy for my liking on older consoles. Good for generation 8 and above, mClassic good for generation 7 and below

[@BOXING_LOUNGE]

Shame about the 4k Gamer Pro not being compatible with mcable / mclassic. I recon that I can the similar results with MCLASSIC (upscaling 720p to 1080p) and running the game feed through and upscaled to 4K by the Nvidia Shield 4K Pro 👀

[@McGreish]

How isn't it though. If you go from 720p to 1080p with mcable, why is that 1080p not recognised? What confuses me more is people were using the 4k Gamer+ with a mClassic until a firmware update stopped it working. At least from what I heard on other videos... Problem with mClassic is likely its trying to output 1440p and then I guess it wouldn't be read by the 4k Gamer Pro

[@BOXING_LOUNGE]

@@McGreish Idky

[@FarmerSlideJoeBob]

Oho too cool :O

[@Mobius_Ap3x]

Insane how much the bloom effect has on some of these! 😎

[@Love_and_Date]

for 8,9th-generations console

[@keypath4389]

sharpen

[@forest-of-illusion]

Otra farsa igual al mcable

[@jsr734]

Me watching on my 720p phone screen: All they look the same ! 🥸😆